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metallica
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This game could be so much better if it had PVP like world of tanks. I play that game and its pretty exciting. This game is not exciting at all like WOT. You just do the same PVE over and over and over SIGH.
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I've played it and I have no clue, I find it to be slow and dreadful, get killed and you have to sit out the entire match as a spectator.
I think one of the things that the OP might be referring to is tiered PvP. They don't pit a T1 tank against a top tier tank.
The problem with that idea is that its not just ship tiers we gotta consider in STO, its gear. We've had people that put mk XIV Gold gear on a T1 ship and frickin' go crazy in Infected for fun. With so many variables, we can't really do a tiered system because then we'd have to integrate some kind of "Gear Score" system to insure that we're not pitting fresh people with basic gear against veterans with epic gear. Also... adding a Gear Score system would just give the elitests another means of discriminating against players by saying "if you don't have X Gear Score you are a failure and must go back to normal so GTFO n00b."
Not only that, with the lateral level gain of Specializations, a Fresh lv 50 with no spec points will be at a bit of a disadvantage against a lv 60 with even one full spec tree.
STO has too many variables to integrate some kind of tiered PvP system.
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@metallica#9475 have you tried Eve Online? It's supposedly non-stop PvP 24x7x365.
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They let you jump out and play other tanks now. It cuts down on the hate talk in chat from all the dead players looking over the live tanker's shoulders.
I really don't see any possible way to bring WoT PVP to STO. Sure you could do 15v15, but the play in WoT is about skill in driving and accuracy with the cannon...taking into account, lead and arch, etc. None of that applies in STO.
Two entirely different game types and styles.
You may as well ask for a 'roleplaying' version of World of Tanks over on their forums.
arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1203368/pve-content-a-list-of-gamewide-polishing-pass-suggestions
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Nope.
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the only Thing PVP in STO could really Need would be *truly* seperate PVP- and PVE-gears and corresponding loadouts. Just to make things more even. On even terms, STO's PVP can be perfectly fun. Which is kinda why channels like organizedpvp exist. It's an MMO. Players can communicate. They can meet on PVP-grounds on pre-made terms to even things up.
Any fight can be won. But you did hit the nail on the head. STO has to many blind consumers, that continue to buy without thought to anything else. That's the nice part about capitalism, the consumer holds the money, therefore the power. Anyone that does not realize this has long since left being a consumer behind and became a sheep.
Also, never trust any metrics posted by any company. They're always going to be adjusted to make the company look better. When a game company mentions metrics, as a player, you should half those numbers right off. The whole point of them is to look better for their investors.
Cryptic could do something about PvP. It would require they do the same thing here, that Tera and Guild Wars does. Put everyone on equal footing. Meaning they would have to cut out T5 and T6 ships, Fleet equipment, and all those consoles that come with ships and lockboxes. But this will never happen. Because then the "Waaahh-bulance" would be all over the forums from people crying about not being able to use their "God Mode" equipment.
Which is why the idea of adding a PvP mode to equipment and skills is a popular idea. PvEers will always complain when their equipment and abilities is nerfed due to PvP since balance is meaningless for consideration in PvE. The more OP a player is, the quicker they can finish a queue. However for actual balance, the only possible method is doing what SWTOR did with their Galactic Starfighter system. Everyone is forced to pick from a bunch of ships that has fixed stats and fixed abilities with the only possible customization is the paint job.
its coming and by the way OP to hell with WOT armored warfare is soooo much a better game....you know it true
and why do I say its coming??? if nothing else its a revenue stream and when all the profits reach ahead and they want more ....because they will always want more someone with a ferengi face will stand up in the meeting and say one dollar is better than no dollar and right now that revenue stream is giving you no money at all so fix it and get something out of it even if its one dollar
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Funny thing is. The balance is already there. What most people fail to realize is that the game is balanced. It's just balanced around three things. Here is the list of the three things the game is balanced around:
Level 40 Promotion Ships
The Skill Tree
Mk XII gear.
Any Mk XIII gear or higher. Any T5+ Ship. Any point spent in a specialization is stepping out the world of balance. While the they are in game. These are all for OP PvE. The game itself is not balanced around them.
This is why in another post I mentioned. Giving everyone a dual spec. A PvE Spec and a PvP Spec. Entering PvP should be a choice, no need to force the player. By electing to join a PvP match with this setup. You're electing to have all your PvE specializations, ships, and consoles disabled. You're electing to step in to a world where your personal skill will matter far more than your equipment.
So for this you balance it around three things. Ships, with preset stats and no traits. Of course divided in to the Escort, Cruiser, and Science Ships. The level 40 promotion ships would be a good start here. There are no epic consoles from bought ships or lockboxes. There are no fleet variants one can use. All you have is the standardized MK of the appropriate level for you, ground and space. At best I'd go UR on this.
Then you have your pvp skill tree and specialization. Which, can only be leveled through PvP.
Then from here I'd make the public queues give a reward, and private queues give no reward. This way, the public queues can still be run as teams. But those same teams can't get together to farm the rewards in a private queue. This leaves the private queues for the players to spar, test, and even run tournaments.
Then as you level up your pvp, it does open up higher tier ships and equipment. Though, all of them being basic stats and no extras. None of which can be bought with cash money. It all has to be earned through PvP.
Now the thing here is R&D. People are going to want to craft PvP Gear. Which this is not a bad thing. This just means, with the balanced out ships and equipment. Then the freebie stuff is all the same stat and mod wise. crafting PvP would be where the different PvP mods would come from. Which can be done for every Mk, just put a 20 hour timer on every piece. That way a Mk II and an MK XII piece take the same amount of time to make.
So lets say to do this, you make a faction PvP lobby. Everyone that goes here can look at ships and equipment. This is also where you adjust your PvP skill tree. I make this a free adjustment tree. That way, players are free to toy around with it.
Then it just a matter of balancing it. Which for this, I'd give the players a queue selection for entering the lobby. Since level 10 is basically the starting point for the game. Set that as the minimum to enter. Then allow the players to queue for every 10 levels, i.e. 10, 20, 30, 40, etc. Then scale them to the appropriate level. This way if a level 60 player, queues for a level 10 match. The level 60 player is scaled back to a level 10 ship, skill tree, and specialization. Of course you could just scale everyone up to level 60.
This then separates PvE and PvP. Allowing the PvE to remain as unbalanced and broken as the players love it. But offering balanced PvP to the players as well. The only problem here is that Cryptic will need to ignore those that cry and complain about not being able to throw their wallets at PvP. The only thing I'd offer in the Z store for PvP is exp boosters.
Which is why I mentioned Galactic Starfighter. Producing a PvE and PvP version of each console, set ability, bridge officer ability, and captain power is far too much work for Cryptic. Modifying 10 current ships that players are forced to choose from for PvP with each type of ship having the exact same abilities and stats is something that Cryptic can accomplish.
Far too many PvP games use the Team Fortress 2 style of games where you are forced to play as a certain character with a limited number of abilities that you can use. It is far easier to balance 10 character with fixed abilities than it is to balance STO. So Cryptic can either try the impossible task of balancing the current game or they can simplify PvP.
with sto the vast majority of players will be doing some pve story mission so there is not enough players doing pvp to make teams up that are statistically matched so the chances are more often then not you would get one team that is significantly stronger then the opposing team and the match is won before you begin.
also there is very little you can do in world of tanks to create an advantage where as there is such a large variety of weapons consoles and other things that can tip the balance one way or the other and trying to work out the stats for everything that adds to your overall performance is a statistical nightmare even 1 on 1 let alone 5 on 5 or 10 on 10.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Let us no forget to add to this, that Geko is still being a crybaby over his precious Excelsior being popped like a zit by the KDF in PvP the day after it was released in 2013. I was on that day. It was funny as hell. Then the podcast where he was mad about it and said he hated the KDF because of it, was even funnier.
The only thing that he has kept to from those days is, not working on anything that isn't for the Federation.