I like the defiant. She reminds me of an A-10. Not pretty to look at, but damn she gets the job done.
Infact the A-10 was the major inspiration for the Defiant.
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Personally, I am not a fan of the big blue ball/nipple science vessel. For the level, it's a good ship, just uglier than sin, almost like it's a giant insect. I also dislike how most endgame ships are excessively oversized, like the Rom sci bird. Stupidly huge.
TOS Connie is ugly, but it's supposed to look like that. It looks old, dingy, and beat up, but then the Enterprise of that Era was beat up pretty often. The JJ Connie looks like the engines would shear off at the pylons. Reminds me of those ridiculous people that put $6000 rims on a $500 dollar rust bucket. The Vengeance is supposed to look intimidating, but to me they just seem like the fat kid who tells people he has "numchuck skills, but I can't show you because my mom took them away". It's a decent ship, just seems to be over compensating.
On the other hand, I love the design of the Avenger. The thick armor plating look, the bridge nestled between raised hull plate sections, the way the nacells are nearly perfectly behind the saucer. It'd a well designed ship in my eyes.
Ya gotta remember, these are the creations of a highly advanced society, and that while looking fragile, are quite strong. And use materials and techniques that would be far more advanced.
Personally, I am not a fan of the big blue ball/nipple science vessel. For the level, it's a good ship, just uglier than sin, almost like it's a giant insect. I also dislike how most endgame ships are excessively oversized, like the Rom sci bird. Stupidly huge.
TOS Connie is ugly, but it's supposed to look like that. It looks old, dingy, and beat up, but then the Enterprise of that Era was beat up pretty often. The JJ Connie looks like the engines would shear off at the pylons. Reminds me of those ridiculous people that put $6000 rims on a $500 dollar rust bucket. The Vengeance is supposed to look intimidating, but to me they just seem like the fat kid who tells people he has "numchuck skills, but I can't show you because my mom took them away". It's a decent ship, just seems to be over compensating.
On the other hand, I love the design of the Avenger. The thick armor plating look, the bridge nestled between raised hull plate sections, the way the nacells are nearly perfectly behind the saucer. It'd a well designed ship in my eyes.
Ya gotta remember, these are the creations of a highly advanced society, and that while looking fragile, are quite strong. And use materials and techniques that would be far more advanced.
True but sometimes you just can't cheat physics because of "Reasons". Hell it took O'Brien a major refit to Defiant to get her engines from not tearing the rest of the ship apart.
Just because more advanced society doesn't mean they get everything right first time.
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Personally, I am not a fan of the big blue ball/nipple science vessel. For the level, it's a good ship, just uglier than sin, almost like it's a giant insect. I also dislike how most endgame ships are excessively oversized, like the Rom sci bird. Stupidly huge.
TOS Connie is ugly, but it's supposed to look like that. It looks old, dingy, and beat up, but then the Enterprise of that Era was beat up pretty often. The JJ Connie looks like the engines would shear off at the pylons. Reminds me of those ridiculous people that put $6000 rims on a $500 dollar rust bucket. The Vengeance is supposed to look intimidating, but to me they just seem like the fat kid who tells people he has "numchuck skills, but I can't show you because my mom took them away". It's a decent ship, just seems to be over compensating.
On the other hand, I love the design of the Avenger. The thick armor plating look, the bridge nestled between raised hull plate sections, the way the nacells are nearly perfectly behind the saucer. It'd a well designed ship in my eyes.
Ya gotta remember, these are the creations of a highly advanced society, and that while looking fragile, are quite strong. And use materials and techniques that would be far more advanced.
True but sometimes you just can't cheat physics because of "Reasons". Hell it took O'Brien a major refit to Defiant to get her engines from not tearing the rest of the ship apart.
Just because more advanced society doesn't mean they get everything right first time.
physics we know of....in a few years, we'll probably have new stuff to discuss, since we as a species know jack squat, really....just a few centuries ago, we thought the earth was flat, and that if you went too far, you'd fall over the edge.
What was considered 'fact' before was: The earth is flat, man can not fly, man will never reach the moon.
All those were changed.
And I can picture a species, thousands, of not millions of years ahead of us, being able to make ships that look for fragile, but more stronger than anything we could make now. Stuff so advanced, it would make our advanced stuff look like prehistoric junk.
It's not a one off. Two are seen in Sacrifice of Angels.
Are you sure? According to Michael Okuda there was just one made. The Yaeger was seen multiple times though, it stuck around a bit but as far as any clues go there was just the one ship made. Aside from that, in-lore I'd still not call it a class. It was a scrambled Intrepid that however seemed to have either seen little combat or did surprisingly well.
Apparently you confuse the Yeager-class with the Norway-class. The Yeager was a physical model used in the Shooting of a few episodes... while the Norway existed solely in the CGI for STFC, and was just "accidentally" deleted afterwards...
The physical model is irrelevant to it's in-universe classification. Yes, it's a physical model and one they even invested some effort in, but it's still just the USS Yeager. One ship, scrambled to fill the ranks. The accompanying material doesn't even classify it as a class but a "type", meaning it's a "refit" variant. The TM says it's a Intrepid-variant. But even if it went into production (no signs about this), just because it has jet wings doesn't make it the super tactical ship people always want it to be. It featured Type-VIII phasers, which are 23rd century weapons and shuttle mountable ones in the 24th century - it's actually quite undergunned compared to a Intrepid-of-the-line.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
It's not a one off. Two are seen in Sacrifice of Angels.
Are you sure? According to Michael Okuda there was just one made. The Yaeger was seen multiple times though, it stuck around a bit but as far as any clues go there was just the one ship made. Aside from that, in-lore I'd still not call it a class. It was a scrambled Intrepid that however seemed to have either seen little combat or did surprisingly well.
I'd assume there's some composite work going on. Only one Antares (the Miranda variant not the cargo ship) was made, but they're always seen in a pack of three.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I like flying them once in a while but I definetley dislike shuttles the most because for all the neat they are, they are seldom worth the ship bays over other ships. Ikik you get a bay with it. Still.
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Also worth remembering that Structural Integrity Field technology would very likely have improved by the Enterprise-J's time.
It still looks silly
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Personally, I am not a fan of the big blue ball/nipple science vessel. For the level, it's a good ship, just uglier than sin, almost like it's a giant insect. I also dislike how most endgame ships are excessively oversized, like the Rom sci bird. Stupidly huge.
TOS Connie is ugly, but it's supposed to look like that. It looks old, dingy, and beat up, but then the Enterprise of that Era was beat up pretty often. The JJ Connie looks like the engines would shear off at the pylons. Reminds me of those ridiculous people that put $6000 rims on a $500 dollar rust bucket. The Vengeance is supposed to look intimidating, but to me they just seem like the fat kid who tells people he has "numchuck skills, but I can't show you because my mom took them away". It's a decent ship, just seems to be over compensating.
On the other hand, I love the design of the Avenger. The thick armor plating look, the bridge nestled between raised hull plate sections, the way the nacells are nearly perfectly behind the saucer. It'd a well designed ship in my eyes.
Ya gotta remember, these are the creations of a highly advanced society, and that while looking fragile, are quite strong. And use materials and techniques that would be far more advanced.
True but sometimes you just can't cheat physics because of "Reasons". Hell it took O'Brien a major refit to Defiant to get her engines from not tearing the rest of the ship apart.
Just because more advanced society doesn't mean they get everything right first time.
physics we know of....in a few years, we'll probably have new stuff to discuss, since we as a species know jack squat, really....just a few centuries ago, we thought the earth was flat, and that if you went too far, you'd fall over the edge.
What was considered 'fact' before was: The earth is flat, man can not fly, man will never reach the moon.
All those were changed.
And I can picture a species, thousands, of not millions of years ahead of us, being able to make ships that look for fragile, but more stronger than anything we could make now. Stuff so advanced, it would make our advanced stuff look like prehistoric junk.
Also worth remembering that Structural Integrity Field technology would very likely have improved by the Enterprise-J's time.
There are definitely species out there with tech that can handle those sort of "weak" structures without them ripping each other to pieces.
I mean the best example is the Iconian/Herald stuff; their ships aren't even in one piece but held together by some energy field.
Also worth remembering that Structural Integrity Field technology would very likely have improved by the Enterprise-J's time.
It still looks silly
Still better than the Nebula
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The E-J...an excessively lit flying pancake with a spatula permanently attached to it... Oh, and there are two handles permanently attached to the spatula. A truly grotesque sight.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
That was one of the presents I was given at my Retirement Party. Cuts pizza well. Is large though.
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Personally, I am not a fan of the big blue ball/nipple science vessel. For the level, it's a good ship, just uglier than sin, almost like it's a giant insect. I also dislike how most endgame ships are excessively oversized, like the Rom sci bird. Stupidly huge.
TOS Connie is ugly, but it's supposed to look like that. It looks old, dingy, and beat up, but then the Enterprise of that Era was beat up pretty often. The JJ Connie looks like the engines would shear off at the pylons. Reminds me of those ridiculous people that put $6000 rims on a $500 dollar rust bucket. The Vengeance is supposed to look intimidating, but to me they just seem like the fat kid who tells people he has "numchuck skills, but I can't show you because my mom took them away". It's a decent ship, just seems to be over compensating.
On the other hand, I love the design of the Avenger. The thick armor plating look, the bridge nestled between raised hull plate sections, the way the nacells are nearly perfectly behind the saucer. It'd a well designed ship in my eyes.
Ya gotta remember, these are the creations of a highly advanced society, and that while looking fragile, are quite strong. And use materials and techniques that would be far more advanced.
True but sometimes you just can't cheat physics because of "Reasons". Hell it took O'Brien a major refit to Defiant to get her engines from not tearing the rest of the ship apart.
Just because more advanced society doesn't mean they get everything right first time.
physics we know of....in a few years, we'll probably have new stuff to discuss, since we as a species know jack squat, really....just a few centuries ago, we thought the earth was flat, and that if you went too far, you'd fall over the edge.
What was considered 'fact' before was: The earth is flat, man can not fly, man will never reach the moon.
All those were changed.
And I can picture a species, thousands, of not millions of years ahead of us, being able to make ships that look for fragile, but more stronger than anything we could make now. Stuff so advanced, it would make our advanced stuff look like prehistoric junk.
Also worth remembering that Structural Integrity Field technology would very likely have improved by the Enterprise-J's time.
There are definitely species out there with tech that can handle those sort of "weak" structures without them ripping each other to pieces.
I mean the best example is the Iconian/Herald stuff; their ships aren't even in one piece but held together by some energy field.
When I first saw that TRIBBLE film Jupiter Ascending I realized either that film or STO stole the idea of disconnected parts from each other then it dawned on me they both stole that idea from the Onyx Sentinel in Halo.
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Infact the A-10 was the major inspiration for the Defiant.
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Ya gotta remember, these are the creations of a highly advanced society, and that while looking fragile, are quite strong. And use materials and techniques that would be far more advanced.
True but sometimes you just can't cheat physics because of "Reasons". Hell it took O'Brien a major refit to Defiant to get her engines from not tearing the rest of the ship apart.
Just because more advanced society doesn't mean they get everything right first time.
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physics we know of....in a few years, we'll probably have new stuff to discuss, since we as a species know jack squat, really....just a few centuries ago, we thought the earth was flat, and that if you went too far, you'd fall over the edge.
What was considered 'fact' before was: The earth is flat, man can not fly, man will never reach the moon.
All those were changed.
And I can picture a species, thousands, of not millions of years ahead of us, being able to make ships that look for fragile, but more stronger than anything we could make now. Stuff so advanced, it would make our advanced stuff look like prehistoric junk.
Are you sure? According to Michael Okuda there was just one made. The Yaeger was seen multiple times though, it stuck around a bit but as far as any clues go there was just the one ship made. Aside from that, in-lore I'd still not call it a class. It was a scrambled Intrepid that however seemed to have either seen little combat or did surprisingly well.
The physical model is irrelevant to it's in-universe classification. Yes, it's a physical model and one they even invested some effort in, but it's still just the USS Yeager. One ship, scrambled to fill the ranks. The accompanying material doesn't even classify it as a class but a "type", meaning it's a "refit" variant. The TM says it's a Intrepid-variant. But even if it went into production (no signs about this), just because it has jet wings doesn't make it the super tactical ship people always want it to be. It featured Type-VIII phasers, which are 23rd century weapons and shuttle mountable ones in the 24th century - it's actually quite undergunned compared to a Intrepid-of-the-line.
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I'd assume there's some composite work going on. Only one Antares (the Miranda variant not the cargo ship) was made, but they're always seen in a pack of three.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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It still looks silly
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There are definitely species out there with tech that can handle those sort of "weak" structures without them ripping each other to pieces.
I mean the best example is the Iconian/Herald stuff; their ships aren't even in one piece but held together by some energy field.
Still better than the Nebula
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Looks very pretty to me.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Still looks pretty.
>_>
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~runs off with a slice~
When I first saw that TRIBBLE film Jupiter Ascending I realized either that film or STO stole the idea of disconnected parts from each other then it dawned on me they both stole that idea from the Onyx Sentinel in Halo.