Most of the Breen ships, simply because of how fugly they are. The Chel Grett gets a pass because it's a canon ship and when it first arrived it didn't disappoint, but the rest just... blech.
Carriers. Not canon. Make no sense in Star Trek tech.
Terrible turn rate.
Carriers aren't canon per se, but fighters are (Peregines are in DS9), and they likely had to launch from somewhere since a person sitting in a cockpit can't do so for the days/weeks at a time it can take to get from a base to a battle and could not keep up with a fleet even if they did (canon Runabouts, larger than fighters, had a top speed of 5.5). A Galaxy could have carried them in the large bay, but no canon references say that they do. Carriers, therefore do make sense, even if we do not see them on screen.
As for the topic at hand, the Herald ships, hands down. Ugly, crazy bits floating off them. The new sphere builder ships (which we will undoubtedly get eventually) are in the same boat.
Ever since someone on the boards have likened the Krenim vessels to adult entertainment items, I've never been able to look at them the same way. While I don't hate them per se, it's very irksome to see it anymore, even though it's my major Sci T6 for those alts. Guess I have to grind to get a good ship costume for it.
As for other ships, the Scimitar looks incredibly stupid. I'm sorry, but it just does to me. And the Enterprise J is a pancake, and I really dislike the super flat pancake ships like that. The Defiant, on the other hand, is one I actually like, even though it could be considered a pancake.
Forget the Krenim, several of the Voth ones look pretty much exactly like a given series of said items. And of course, there's the Atrox, which needs nobody to point it out.
I wouldn't say I hate them, but I dislike the temporal ships being playable. Mainly because it's a glaring inconsistency (I know, Star Trek doesn't have the best track record with being consistent) with the whole Temporal Prime Directive thing. Especially considering that the ships are used specifically by a branch of Starfleet tasked with policing the timeline. There's no reason they wouldn't immediately pop back in time and reclaim their lost ships to prevent them from polluting the past with their future tech. But whatever, I guess.
Plus, I'm not a huge fan of their aesthetics, especially the 31c ships. They all look very fish-like to me. And I generally prefer to have my characters fly ships that belong to their faction. It's not a huge problem for my Fed characters, since they've got some actual choices for science ships, but I'm stuck with the Eternal on my KDF and Romulans
My vote would have to go to the Vesper class. It looks like the lovechild of a Connie and an Excelsior...
After that, the Deep Space Science Vessel. Looks like a shoe.
The DSSV is like an interstellar dustbuster! I got mad love for that crazy ship!
On a more general note ... does the J really count? It's in the game. But as an NPC. We can't fly it. I mean, why not instead just pick on the Temporal ships that are all J inspired?
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Well... it didn't specify that we were limited to just playable ships in the OP...
Carriers. Not canon. Make no sense in Star Trek tech.
Terrible turn rate.
Carriers aren't canon per se, but fighters are (Peregines are in DS9), and they likely had to launch from somewhere since a person sitting in a cockpit can't do so for the days/weeks at a time it can take to get from a base to a battle and could not keep up with a fleet even if they did (canon Runabouts, larger than fighters, had a top speed of 5.5). A Galaxy could have carried them in the large bay, but no canon references say that they do. Carriers, therefore do make sense, even if we do not see them on screen.
Runabouts are separate from shuttles in that they are fully independent little ships. Converted couriers (what the Peregrines are, not specific fighters) operate in the same fashion.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
This hunk of garbage is the single worst ship to grace the screens of Star Trek ever (in terms of Federation ships anyway)
A list of hideous deformities that are better than this include:
The Stupid Fat Space-Spoon (Galaxy)
The Egg and Spoon Race (Olympic)
The Bastardisation of Loveliness (the Niagara)
The Backwards Dragging Dogs (Curry and Raging Queen)
and The Stupid Thin Space-Spoon (the Freedom)
All of those are superior to Accordion-neccky McStupidship
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Any of the new Temporal ships, the pancakes or the iguanas. I could also go with the Kelvin Connie; the engines, man -- they look like someone put aftermarket Ferrari fairings on a Kia Spectra. And I detest the Kelvin Dread's saucer hole. Why is it there?
The Galaxy IMO looks like someone put a Connie out in the sun and it melted. It's way too top heavy. It's not sleek and while sleekness has nothing to do with space travel it does when it comes to looks. The inside is no better, all wood paneling and carpets. The bridge doesn't make sense. Why have the high wooden tactical station? Any lurch forward and you are wiping tactical officer off the screen.
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Any ship that does not resemble an Imperial class Star Destroyer.
Oh yeah, and the T5 Ha'nom Warbird. It's a flying brick and I supposed under powered as hell because of the Singularity Warp Core. Not really suitable as a Romulan science ship.
The Resolute Class- The Excelsior and the Lakota skin are beautiful but the the Resolute looks like it was whacked by the ugly stick
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An'quat command battlecruiser, I mean serious effort must have gone into this to make it as ugly as possible, with great success. I have no doubt their aim was to force people to buy all 3 to kitbash the ugly out of them and end up with something quite decent.
No, that can't have been it, because you can't come up with something quite decent with those ships. I tried. Nothing really looks decent, every single component has an undesirable feature basically.
The only cool thing is how they did arrange the rotating parts so that it survives customization.
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I wouldn't say I hate them, but I dislike the temporal ships being playable. Mainly because it's a glaring inconsistency (I know, Star Trek doesn't have the best track record with being consistent) with the whole Temporal Prime Directive thing. Especially considering that the ships are used specifically by a branch of Starfleet tasked with policing the timeline. There's no reason they wouldn't immediately pop back in time and reclaim their lost ships to prevent them from polluting the past with their future tech. But whatever, I guess.
Plus, I'm not a huge fan of their aesthetics, especially the 31c ships. They all look very fish-like to me. And I generally prefer to have my characters fly ships that belong to their faction. It's not a huge problem for my Fed characters, since they've got some actual choices for science ships, but I'm stuck with the Eternal on my KDF and Romulans
The way they are used in STO makes absolutely no sense.
Sending out flying coffins to perform military operations right next to its Carrier is completely ineffecient.
Carriers in the real world transport fighter aircraft. Carriers move through water, at low speed, but with great range and great duration, aircraft travel through the air at great speed but have limited range and duration for their operation, and they can get to places that Carriers can't reach directly. And when they are there, they can employ weapons that can easily destroy pretty much any target.
Carriers in STO carry stuff that can fly through the same medium as the Carrier, at slower speeds then the Carrier. They have no decent range and no decent ability to perform extended operations. The only thing they can do is transport stuff and people from A to B while the Carrier is doing something elsewhere. The spacecraft Carriers employ cannot fight meainngful in any theatre that the Carriers can't.
Planetary Bombardment? The TOS Constitution could do that already.
Intercepting enemy ships? Nope, weapons and shields not powerful enough to hope to accomplish that.
There are some jobs that Carrier "Pets" could do in Star Trek that would make sense
- Transporting people to places the Carrier won't go right now, or that the Transporters can't reach.
- Scouting a larger area - the Carrier can be only at one place at a time.
- Patrol and Escorting duties as deterrence (but you hope that you only encounter some space pirates or less advanced civilization, a real enemy warship would not be deterrred)
The only other purpose would be: You're so desperate that you throw in everything you got. Like in Sacrifice of Angels.
We have to assume that every Carrier we see in STO is operating extremely out of its comfort zone or actual purpose in the fleet. It's send ill-equipped for combat duties because they need every single phaser and torpedo they can find, even if it means that Starfleet Officers go into routine suicide missions every time they launch their shuttle or "fighter" craft from the hangar bay.
The Scimitar had its neat little Raiders - and used them not once in the fight against the Enterprise. They were obviously not deemed relevant addition to the firepower of the Scimitar, and offered no additional tactical value.
Now that my anti-Carrier Rant #255 is out of the way... Can someone please give the Klingons a T6 Carrier? If you can't travel back in time to make the entire Carrier mistake undone, maybe you can travel back in time and tun the Jupiter release in a cross-faction Carrier release?
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The Galaxy IMO looks like someone put a Connie out in the sun and it melted. It's way too top heavy. It's not sleek and while sleekness has nothing to do with space travel it does when it comes to looks.
The inside is no better, all wood paneling and carpets. The bridge doesn't make sense. Why have the high wooden tactical station? Any lurch forward and you are wiping tactical officer off the screen.
I prefer the tng bridge....hated the ST6 bridge. I also liked the ST5 bridge.
I'm not sure if "hate" is the right term, but the Enterprise-J/Universe Class is awfull. Mostly due to the simple fact that it's a unfinished rushjob which has a almost two dimensional saucer with distorted textures and clipping nacelles. This is not intentional, it's on record that the model is faulty. And some people still love it and sell it as features. I cannot comprehend that.
Other than that, I dislike the general KT ships simply because they got everything inflated. I don't know why everything must be bigger, so much in fact we just use comically inflation effects to achieve it. I dislike the overabundance of huge supercruisers, STO does the same with every new cruiser coming out is bigger than the last one. It doesn't make sense.
And every design that tries to be "edgy", like the KT Vengeance and other ships trying to be that. I don't want starships that look like B2 bombers, the stupid edge design makes no sense. I want round things. Round things are good.
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Definitely the old Jupiter and Typhoon. So glad that those two will never be seen again.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I considered that any captain who commands that bucket of rusty bolts is a form a punishment.
Carriers aren't canon per se, but fighters are (Peregines are in DS9), and they likely had to launch from somewhere since a person sitting in a cockpit can't do so for the days/weeks at a time it can take to get from a base to a battle and could not keep up with a fleet even if they did (canon Runabouts, larger than fighters, had a top speed of 5.5). A Galaxy could have carried them in the large bay, but no canon references say that they do. Carriers, therefore do make sense, even if we do not see them on screen.
As for the topic at hand, the Herald ships, hands down. Ugly, crazy bits floating off them. The new sphere builder ships (which we will undoubtedly get eventually) are in the same boat.
Forget the Krenim, several of the Voth ones look pretty much exactly like a given series of said items. And of course, there's the Atrox, which needs nobody to point it out.
Plus, I'm not a huge fan of their aesthetics, especially the 31c ships. They all look very fish-like to me. And I generally prefer to have my characters fly ships that belong to their faction. It's not a huge problem for my Fed characters, since they've got some actual choices for science ships, but I'm stuck with the Eternal on my KDF and Romulans
After that, the Deep Space Science Vessel. Looks like a shoe.
The DSSV is like an interstellar dustbuster! I got mad love for that crazy ship!
On a more general note ... does the J really count? It's in the game. But as an NPC. We can't fly it. I mean, why not instead just pick on the Temporal ships that are all J inspired?
Runabouts are separate from shuttles in that they are fully independent little ships. Converted couriers (what the Peregrines are, not specific fighters) operate in the same fashion.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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A list of hideous deformities that are better than this include:
The Stupid Fat Space-Spoon (Galaxy)
The Egg and Spoon Race (Olympic)
The Bastardisation of Loveliness (the Niagara)
The Backwards Dragging Dogs (Curry and Raging Queen)
and The Stupid Thin Space-Spoon (the Freedom)
All of those are superior to Accordion-neccky McStupidship
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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The inside is no better, all wood paneling and carpets. The bridge doesn't make sense. Why have the high wooden tactical station? Any lurch forward and you are wiping tactical officer off the screen.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Good point.
Oh yeah, and the T5 Ha'nom Warbird. It's a flying brick and I supposed under powered as hell because of the Singularity Warp Core. Not really suitable as a Romulan science ship.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
The only cool thing is how they did arrange the rotating parts so that it survives customization.
Sending out flying coffins to perform military operations right next to its Carrier is completely ineffecient.
Carriers in the real world transport fighter aircraft. Carriers move through water, at low speed, but with great range and great duration, aircraft travel through the air at great speed but have limited range and duration for their operation, and they can get to places that Carriers can't reach directly. And when they are there, they can employ weapons that can easily destroy pretty much any target.
Carriers in STO carry stuff that can fly through the same medium as the Carrier, at slower speeds then the Carrier. They have no decent range and no decent ability to perform extended operations. The only thing they can do is transport stuff and people from A to B while the Carrier is doing something elsewhere. The spacecraft Carriers employ cannot fight meainngful in any theatre that the Carriers can't.
Planetary Bombardment? The TOS Constitution could do that already.
Intercepting enemy ships? Nope, weapons and shields not powerful enough to hope to accomplish that.
There are some jobs that Carrier "Pets" could do in Star Trek that would make sense
- Transporting people to places the Carrier won't go right now, or that the Transporters can't reach.
- Scouting a larger area - the Carrier can be only at one place at a time.
- Patrol and Escorting duties as deterrence (but you hope that you only encounter some space pirates or less advanced civilization, a real enemy warship would not be deterrred)
The only other purpose would be: You're so desperate that you throw in everything you got. Like in Sacrifice of Angels.
We have to assume that every Carrier we see in STO is operating extremely out of its comfort zone or actual purpose in the fleet. It's send ill-equipped for combat duties because they need every single phaser and torpedo they can find, even if it means that Starfleet Officers go into routine suicide missions every time they launch their shuttle or "fighter" craft from the hangar bay.
The Scimitar had its neat little Raiders - and used them not once in the fight against the Enterprise. They were obviously not deemed relevant addition to the firepower of the Scimitar, and offered no additional tactical value.
Now that my anti-Carrier Rant #255 is out of the way... Can someone please give the Klingons a T6 Carrier? If you can't travel back in time to make the entire Carrier mistake undone, maybe you can travel back in time and tun the Jupiter release in a cross-faction Carrier release?
I think it's gorgeous
I prefer the tng bridge....hated the ST6 bridge. I also liked the ST5 bridge.
Other than that, I dislike the general KT ships simply because they got everything inflated. I don't know why everything must be bigger, so much in fact we just use comically inflation effects to achieve it. I dislike the overabundance of huge supercruisers, STO does the same with every new cruiser coming out is bigger than the last one. It doesn't make sense.
And every design that tries to be "edgy", like the KT Vengeance and other ships trying to be that. I don't want starships that look like B2 bombers, the stupid edge design makes no sense. I want round things. Round things are good.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Oh you are so right with that dude.
I for my part hate starter ships. Tier 1. All of them. All the way.
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