Promo packs are a normal part of sto. They've been doing these promo events for the Bug Ship, the Bulwark, the Sheshar and the Annorax and all their variants for at least four years now.
The difference being that EC rich players didn't horde them and then try to convince people to blow over $100 on EC they would never get to spend on them as they priced it outside of that amount, selling it just to sell it.
I know for a fact that isn't true.
Which part?
The convincing them to spend over $100 part becuase there were threads where they did that, the hording them part seeing as they are sold in private channels in ways to work around the $1 billion cap thats happening, and the lack of anyone showing one off anywhere other than tribble kind of implies there are few if ANY of them in game.
Nobody is driving the price up on this ship, it's been fairly stable at 850 to 900 million range, and can be obtained without use of an invite only trade channel simply through use of zone chat.
To a person who never have yet to break the EC cap. That amount is insane! Since its chump change for you. You can afford me one.
If you want one so bad, save up for it!
You both can pool together and buy me one!
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Promo packs are a normal part of sto. They've been doing these promo events for the Bug Ship, the Bulwark, the Sheshar and the Annorax and all their variants for at least four years now.
The difference being that EC rich players didn't horde them and then try to convince people to blow over $100 on EC they would never get to spend on them as they priced it outside of that amount, selling it just to sell it.
Very true as well. Cause those ships never hit the amount they are now. The sellers are seeing it being very desirable, and thus put up a huge mark up. All in the expense of the other players.
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Promo packs are a normal part of sto. They've been doing these promo events for the Bug Ship, the Bulwark, the Sheshar and the Annorax and all their variants for at least four years now.
The difference being that EC rich players didn't horde them and then try to convince people to blow over $100 on EC they would never get to spend on them as they priced it outside of that amount, selling it just to sell it.
Very true as well. Cause those ships never hit the amount they are now. The sellers are seeing it being very desirable, and thus put up a huge mark up. All in the expense of the other players.
In inflation adjusted terms, they did hit the same amount they are now.
Keys cost more than they used to, promo packs cost more than they used to.
STO doesnt have much in the way of ec sinks so there is ec inflation.
Also, for the record, one year ago I sold an Annorax for a billion ec to someone.
The keys cost the same as they did when they first came out. Its the sellers making it go up. Its not inflation, its the others wanting a quick EC get rich. Thinking many players should have that to afford it.
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I want to urge everyone again to try and pretend that you're a Vulcan, that you're like Spock. Try to approach the subject from a perspective of detachment, try to forget what you want for yourself, or what would make you, personally, the happiest.
From this perspective, this objective perspective, the RNG mechanic is clearly the best option for the game.
It leads to three good outcomes, all at once.
1. The ship remains both rare and desirable
2. Everyone has a chance to get it
3. Cryptic prospers
There are more virtues to the system - for example, it stimulates an in-game economy, it is generously free to play, and it excites people - but the main three points above are sufficient in themselves to show clearly that cryptic has made, and continues to make, the right choice.
I don't see how this is good.
1. Rare, means not everyone will get it. And many will be left out. Too rare makes it undesirable cause its too hard to obtain. As in this case.
2. Chance with a low return of getting it. So many will spend resources and not get it. Thus making them feel robbed/cheated
3. Good for them they keep the game going. At the expense of others, and many didn't get what they wanted.
As for me, my right choice is to no longer pay for their stupid lottery boxes and promos. So I can make sure I get what I'm wanting.
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For the most part, people that always really wanted an end-game Constitution (and if the Stats were good), couldn't care if the ship released was rare or not. They just want the bloody ship.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
They would be robbing people of the great satisfaction of wanting something, coveting it, earning it, then taking great pride in owning it.
Yeah, I'm sure the majority of the people that want to get the ship but can't get it becuase thats how these things ACTUALLY WORK, are totally going to take satisfaction in seeing something they can't ever have.
I want to urge everyone again to try and pretend that you're a Vulcan, that you're like Spock. Try to approach the subject from a perspective of detachment, try to forget what you want for yourself, or what would make you, personally, the happiest.
Point One:
During the "expansion" of the lockbox system which resulted in the opening of the lobi store, there was an amount of... worry... that the "expensive" system of lockboxing or pricing ships in lobi would be applied to future "desirable" and "factional" releases, such as the remaining "iconic" ships that had yet to be released in-game.
Cryptic replied that "The C-store will remain, and shall forever be, the singular place to purchase all factional ship designs".
Point Two:
No C-store ship has ever had it's "upgrade" locked into a lockbox / Lobi store / promo. All Tier 2 and Tier 3 designs that "were approved" for upgrade were placed into the Fleet Shipyards. The only one of these 6 ships to not receive a fleet variant was the T2 "Cruiser" and it's C-store variant, being that the Tier 2 Cruisers are "the Constitution Class Refit" and/or alternate part skins of the same design (Exeter is pretty much a Connie done up in Excelsior parts, Excalibur a Connie with TNG-ish parts).
Point Three:
The KDF has been allowed to fly their TOS skin, aka the D7 class, at "endgame" as an alternate skin to the T5 "Fleet" K'Tinga. Granted, this ship is one of the many KDF ships that do not have a C-store variant to provide a "discount" for, but it exists none-the-less.
Point Four:
The lack of accessing the T'Liss skin on the T5 (and eventual T6) T'Varo was noted by the playerbase but never formally answered by Cryptic. Many assume "oversight", many assume "done not to tick off Feddie Bears who want a T-endgame Connie".
Point Five:
The Original Series Ships are the "standard" for ship designs - every "canon" ship can trace significant elements of it's construction/design back to the respective faction's original ship - excepting the Defiant and the Romulan departure from "teardrops" to "avian shaped" ships - but even then, there's a big touch of "we learned from the Klingons when we got a bunch of their D7s as depicted in TOS" in the Romulan themes...
Point Six:
There has been no "official" retraction from any of these stances posted on the "official" site, while the biggest "retraction" to date - the changes in acquiring event starships, was.
Point Seven:
Lying is illogical. It exists to salve/avoid emotional responses. Logic is supposed to be "non-emotional". This is why Vulcans always speak the truth.
Points one and seven alone are enough "logic" to support a C-store release. Points 2-6 exist to reinforce the precedent that Point 1 is supposed to enforce. To suddenly "break precedent" is illogical, in it's own way, as well.
There. You have my "Spock like" reasons that the C-store is better than the current alternative.
Point Eight:
The "logic train" in support of "rare and desirable" is invoked by Ferengi and/or other "market manipulators" in an effort to either artificially inflate the market (a known method of "artificially increasing the sale price") and/or convince others to part with the significant sums of wealth that the Ferengi / "market manipulator" / greedy exemplar of choice so desire.
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
They would be robbing people of the great satisfaction of wanting something, coveting it, earning it, then taking great pride in owning it.
Yeah, I'm sure the majority of the people that want to get the ship but can't get it becuase thats how these things ACTUALLY WORK, are totally going to take satisfaction in seeing something they can't ever have.
If you want it enough, you can earn it.
If you barely play STO anyway then you probably don't actually want it very much.
I can agree with this statement, even if I want to see the Connie be available in the C-store. I am reminded of a certain someone (who I will not name) that whined every time he logged in about how he'd die before ever getting enough ec to buy a rare ship.
People that think the price is too steep and can't justify buying one outright with ec, fair enough. But it's not fair to say that it's equivalent to "Let them eat cake." If you've got the money but not time, then pay for it. If you've got the time but not the money, earn it. If you have neither, then move on with your life. Don't let something as trivial as a game get in the way.
People that think the price is too steep and can't justify buying one outright with ec,
1.5 billion is too steep, there is no thinking about it. If you want more EC than a player can actually have and want 10 master keys to get past that YOU WANT TOO MUCH.
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Which part?
The convincing them to spend over $100 part becuase there were threads where they did that, the hording them part seeing as they are sold in private channels in ways to work around the $1 billion cap thats happening, and the lack of anyone showing one off anywhere other than tribble kind of implies there are few if ANY of them in game.
You both can pool together and buy me one!
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Very true as well. Cause those ships never hit the amount they are now. The sellers are seeing it being very desirable, and thus put up a huge mark up. All in the expense of the other players.
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Its never been this unscrupulous before though.
There is no inflation SOME things costing more becuase players get greedy does not inflation make.
The keys cost the same as they did when they first came out. Its the sellers making it go up. Its not inflation, its the others wanting a quick EC get rich. Thinking many players should have that to afford it.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Which doesn't change the fact that inflation means EVERYTHING costs more.
That is due to greedy players lining their own pockets. True inflation is the price of the keys themselves from Cryptic needs to go up as well.
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I don't see how this is good.
1. Rare, means not everyone will get it. And many will be left out. Too rare makes it undesirable cause its too hard to obtain. As in this case.
2. Chance with a low return of getting it. So many will spend resources and not get it. Thus making them feel robbed/cheated
3. Good for them they keep the game going. At the expense of others, and many didn't get what they wanted.
As for me, my right choice is to no longer pay for their stupid lottery boxes and promos. So I can make sure I get what I'm wanting.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Didnt realize the only thing that made sto worth playing was people flying around in rare ships.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Yeah, I'm sure the majority of the people that want to get the ship but can't get it becuase thats how these things ACTUALLY WORK, are totally going to take satisfaction in seeing something they can't ever have.
Point One:
During the "expansion" of the lockbox system which resulted in the opening of the lobi store, there was an amount of... worry... that the "expensive" system of lockboxing or pricing ships in lobi would be applied to future "desirable" and "factional" releases, such as the remaining "iconic" ships that had yet to be released in-game.
Cryptic replied that "The C-store will remain, and shall forever be, the singular place to purchase all factional ship designs".
Point Two:
No C-store ship has ever had it's "upgrade" locked into a lockbox / Lobi store / promo. All Tier 2 and Tier 3 designs that "were approved" for upgrade were placed into the Fleet Shipyards. The only one of these 6 ships to not receive a fleet variant was the T2 "Cruiser" and it's C-store variant, being that the Tier 2 Cruisers are "the Constitution Class Refit" and/or alternate part skins of the same design (Exeter is pretty much a Connie done up in Excelsior parts, Excalibur a Connie with TNG-ish parts).
Point Three:
The KDF has been allowed to fly their TOS skin, aka the D7 class, at "endgame" as an alternate skin to the T5 "Fleet" K'Tinga. Granted, this ship is one of the many KDF ships that do not have a C-store variant to provide a "discount" for, but it exists none-the-less.
Point Four:
The lack of accessing the T'Liss skin on the T5 (and eventual T6) T'Varo was noted by the playerbase but never formally answered by Cryptic. Many assume "oversight", many assume "done not to tick off Feddie Bears who want a T-endgame Connie".
Point Five:
The Original Series Ships are the "standard" for ship designs - every "canon" ship can trace significant elements of it's construction/design back to the respective faction's original ship - excepting the Defiant and the Romulan departure from "teardrops" to "avian shaped" ships - but even then, there's a big touch of "we learned from the Klingons when we got a bunch of their D7s as depicted in TOS" in the Romulan themes...
Point Six:
There has been no "official" retraction from any of these stances posted on the "official" site, while the biggest "retraction" to date - the changes in acquiring event starships, was.
Point Seven:
Lying is illogical. It exists to salve/avoid emotional responses. Logic is supposed to be "non-emotional". This is why Vulcans always speak the truth.
Points one and seven alone are enough "logic" to support a C-store release. Points 2-6 exist to reinforce the precedent that Point 1 is supposed to enforce. To suddenly "break precedent" is illogical, in it's own way, as well.
There. You have my "Spock like" reasons that the C-store is better than the current alternative.
Point Eight:
The "logic train" in support of "rare and desirable" is invoked by Ferengi and/or other "market manipulators" in an effort to either artificially inflate the market (a known method of "artificially increasing the sale price") and/or convince others to part with the significant sums of wealth that the Ferengi / "market manipulator" / greedy exemplar of choice so desire.
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
I can agree with this statement, even if I want to see the Connie be available in the C-store. I am reminded of a certain someone (who I will not name) that whined every time he logged in about how he'd die before ever getting enough ec to buy a rare ship.
People that think the price is too steep and can't justify buying one outright with ec, fair enough. But it's not fair to say that it's equivalent to "Let them eat cake." If you've got the money but not time, then pay for it. If you've got the time but not the money, earn it. If you have neither, then move on with your life. Don't let something as trivial as a game get in the way.
1.5 billion is too steep, there is no thinking about it. If you want more EC than a player can actually have and want 10 master keys to get past that YOU WANT TOO MUCH.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/50edp9/so_uh_how_much_is_that_t6_connie_rd_pack_reward/
This is the prices being thrown around.
Might have something to do with it looking like they've run out of them.