The most obvious thing to add from ST: Beyond is the Vault Boy style Starfleet uniform. Besides that, I'd take that holographic device that Jayla had that projected holographic copies of yourself as a ground device. I'd love to stack that with the shard of possibilities.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
The most obvious thing to add from ST: Beyond is the Vault Boy style Starfleet uniform. Besides that, I'd take that holographic device that Jayla had that projected holographic copies of yourself as a ground device. I'd love to stack that with the shard of possibilities.
Doesn't that already exist? I gave it to one of my Boffs and laugh every time he uses it.
The most obvious thing to add from ST: Beyond is the Vault Boy style Starfleet uniform. Besides that, I'd take that holographic device that Jayla had that projected holographic copies of yourself as a ground device. I'd love to stack that with the shard of possibilities.
I believe that is the Holographic Decoy or whatever that Intel ability is called.
And I wouldn't mind the Field Jackets either. Although right now we can make mockups using either the Dyson outfit or a Jupiter variant.
Parallel universes and alternate timelines are alternate realities. Alternate realities just means that they are a different reality from the one we are familiar with. Parallel universes mean that two realities are only similar to each other with some major difference so the Kelvin Universe would only be similar to the Prime Universe before 2233 if it was a parallel universe. Alternate timelines means that two realities are exactly the same until they split off since they were originally the same reality.
And thus... we have the split in 2233, thus alternate timeline.
It is not proven in the movies one way or another whether it is a parallel universe or alternate timeline. The alternate reality scene in Star Trek 2009 has the Enterprise crew talking about a person claiming to be the 24th Century, but there is absolutely no way to know if Nero is from their 24th Century or from another reality's 24th Century. In their unaltered 24th Century, the Cardassians could have joined the Federation or the Borg destroyed Earth, but Nero changed events so their unaltered 24th Century no longer exists.
The Terminal Expanse mission has the Kelvin Universe as a parallel universe not an alternate timeline that split in 2233. Of course, that only relates to the connection between the Kelvin-STO Universe and the STO Universe not the connection between the Prime Universe and Kelvin-Movie Universe assuming that there is a connection between the Prime Universe and the Kelvin-Movie Universe.
Of course, it is entirely possible that the Prime Universe has nothing to do with any Kelvin Universe with Romulus still existing and what we assume to be the Prime Universe in Star Trek 2009 is actually the STO Universe. What happens to Romulus after Nemesis and whether Spock and Nero traveled to a 23rd Century in the Prime Universe will have to wait until a TV series is set in the Prime Universe after Nemesis.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The most obvious thing to add from ST: Beyond is the Vault Boy style Starfleet uniform. Besides that, I'd take that holographic device that Jayla had that projected holographic copies of yourself as a ground device. I'd love to stack that with the shard of possibilities.
Doesn't that already exist? I gave it to one of my Boffs and laugh every time he uses it.
The shard of possibilities already exists, but I'm talking about adding an additional ground device to stack with it.
The most obvious thing to add from ST: Beyond is the Vault Boy style Starfleet uniform. Besides that, I'd take that holographic device that Jayla had that projected holographic copies of yourself as a ground device. I'd love to stack that with the shard of possibilities.
I believe that is the Holographic Decoy or whatever that Intel ability is called.
That's a good idea actually though I would prefer more of a swarm of holograms attacking enemies instead of just one. I'll try it out.
I haven't watched any of TNG episodes in a long time, but if I'm remembering correctly, didn't Wesley and his classmates fly some sort of fighters in the Academy? Those would certainly qualify. And in the Kelvin Timeline I remember seeing some fighters buzzing overhead in formation in some scene (from Into Darkness, I think it was).
Academy Flight Trainers? I don't think they were ever called fighters.
As for ID, that's just JJs military fetishism showing. That whole scene embarrassingly out of place in Starfleet. Compare it to the genuinely emotional funeral in TWoK. As for what they were, they looked like normal aircraft rather than shuttles or any sort of spacecraft.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I haven't watched any of TNG episodes in a long time, but if I'm remembering correctly, didn't Wesley and his classmates fly some sort of fighters in the Academy? Those would certainly qualify. And in the Kelvin Timeline I remember seeing some fighters buzzing overhead in formation in some scene (from Into Darkness, I think it was).
[snip]As for ID, that's just JJs military fetishism showing. That whole scene embarrassingly out of place in Starfleet. Compare it to the genuinely emotional funeral in TWoK. As for what they were, they looked like normal aircraft rather than shuttles or any sort of spacecraft.
That's because it was a different kind of memorial service than the one in TWoK.
In TWoK, it was the funeral of one man. Well loved by his friends and colleagues, but still just one man. The memorial at the end of ID was for the most-likely-thousands of people who were killed when Khan dropped a 1.5-kilometer-long battleship on downtown San Francisco.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
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And I wouldn't mind the Field Jackets either. Although right now we can make mockups using either the Dyson outfit or a Jupiter variant.
My mockup uses the dyson as well.
Mine uses the Jupiter 4 I believe. Has more of the coat look, but doesn't have the segmented color on the shoulders like the Dyson. And I wish the Kelvin badge could be used on other uniforms too.
Would also like to see the Kelvin take on Kumari, Suurak Cruiser and D'kyr.
Made by angsty, homeless, probably tattooed Vulcans? Probeable like this...
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Kelvin TImeline Recon Exploration Escort: Franklin
Cm Eng/Pilot
Lt Cm Universal
Lt Cm Science
lt engineering
ensign Universal
4 Fore weapons
3 Aft
Console "Sabotage Chain Reaction" Plays a 10 second clip of music that creats explosions from behind the ship while giving the ship a +5% boost in speed
Trait "On the road again" Adds a +3 Boost in speed while firing cannons or beams. +7 boost to defense while firing torpedos or mines.
Kelvin Timeline Command Cruiser Refit
Comm Eng/Command
Lt Cm Tac
Lt cm Universal
Lt Sci
Ensign Universal
Console "Giant green hand". Sends a giant green hand to attack a group with a max amount of 10 to do a massage amount of damage depending on offensive powerlevel.
Trait "Flagship Fleet Trespass" Sends in a group of random kelvin style ships to fight by your side for 12 seconds if your hull is below 50 percent. 10% chance to enhance shield hardening.
Cm Universal/Something
Lt Tac
ens tac
Lt Cm Uniseral
lt sci
ens sci
[1 launchbay of Kelvin Type shuttles]
Console "Into the mist" Pretend to stall ship for 4 seconds and as soon as those 4 seconds are up shield hardness will be at max while fire and engines will be at their lowest. opens up a small rift to attact enemies.
Trait "In Memory Of George Kirk" Improved Shield healing and recovery rate from use of any Bridge Officer Ability.
More Kelvin Timeline junk please! If for no other reason than the delicious salty tears of QQ'ing purists!
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I will let you know why I personally cant stand Jar Jar Abrams vision. Because he dishonors the very thing that Gene had for the series and the movies. Also he claimed to want to make relevant again. Well the Star Trek universe is big enough where he could have focused on a new crew, ship etc. I think most of us "QQ'ing purists" out there would have been much more forgiving had he gone that route.
I will let you know why I personally cant stand Jar Jar Abrams vision. Because he dishonors the very thing that Gene had for the series and the movies. Also he claimed to want to make relevant again. Well the Star Trek universe is big enough where he could have focused on a new crew, ship etc. I think most of us "QQ'ing purists" out there would have been much more forgiving had he gone that route.
You do realize that being a Trek "Purist" means rejecting EVERYTHING after the first half of TNG Season-1 and all the movies from "The Wrath Of Khan" on, right??
Because Mr. Roddenberry hated what Meyer did with TWoK and he was nothing more than a 'consultant' on the rest of the movies and was to ill to continue to work "hands-on daily" with TNG by the spring of 1988.
Might be time to get down off of that particular soapbox, since most folks just chuckle or shake their heads when ya spout that silly nonsense.
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How is it silly nonsense to have a differing opinion than others? Also how does that negate my point that he could have focused entirely on unknowns and it would have actually given him more leeway in regards to story?
How is it silly nonsense to have a differing opinion than others? Also how does that negate my point that he could have focused entirely on unknowns and it would have actually given him more leeway in regards to story?
Having a differing opinion is fine, just don't base it on "imagined" facts if you want folks to see, or even slightly agree with your point.
"Because he dishonors the very thing that Gene had for the series and the movies."
Truly, the only idea Gene alone had designed for his creation called Star Trek, was A Better Future For Mankind, all the rest was a conglomeration of a multitude of people who worked on what followed during and after the original series.
Gene's "Real World" goal, was to make money to pay his bills, by working in the television industry, because he enjoyed writing stories and was good at it
Putting Gene Roddenberry up on a pedestal to espouse your feelings about Star Trek, denies the many years of creativity and effort that a whole bunch of other people who also love Trek, put into the process.
You can dislike the newest iterations of Trek all you want, I'm not saying you can't.
Just don't use a false premise to attempt to justify your dislike.
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I will let you know why I personally cant stand Jar Jar Abrams vision. Because he dishonors the very thing that Gene had for the series and the movies. Also he claimed to want to make relevant again. Well the Star Trek universe is big enough where he could have focused on a new crew, ship etc. I think most of us "QQ'ing purists" out there would have been much more forgiving had he gone that route.
Almost every single part of that is incorrect. In fact the only part you got correct was about how JJ (really clever calling him Jar Jar by the war, sooo original and clever big man) made Star trek relevant again.
Thankfully the franchise is no longer dependent on change resistant fanbois to survive and is able to generate money from whole new generations as it continues to change in the same way it always has.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
NO MORE JJ TRIBBLE! I refuse to call it anything but that. This is not JJ trek universe. This is "prime" universe so if anything bring in discovery stuff when the series premieres. Like it or not Beyond flopped and stupidly before the numbers came in CBS/Paramonut greenlighted another instead of waiting a couple of weeks. JJ Trek is effectivly DEAD. They just don't know it yet as the suits haven't caught up to reality. Only reaped about 46 mill over what it cost to make that is pitiful for global release. Budget 185 million box 231 million. Not a good return compared to other films in the franchise.
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Doesn't that already exist? I gave it to one of my Boffs and laugh every time he uses it.
It does look like a step between the older shuttles and the nx01.
Which means even worse that tier 1. XD
I have no clue how to make it work beyond a frigate pet unlock for a Jupiter.
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I believe that is the Holographic Decoy or whatever that Intel ability is called.
And I wouldn't mind the Field Jackets either. Although right now we can make mockups using either the Dyson outfit or a Jupiter variant.
It is not proven in the movies one way or another whether it is a parallel universe or alternate timeline. The alternate reality scene in Star Trek 2009 has the Enterprise crew talking about a person claiming to be the 24th Century, but there is absolutely no way to know if Nero is from their 24th Century or from another reality's 24th Century. In their unaltered 24th Century, the Cardassians could have joined the Federation or the Borg destroyed Earth, but Nero changed events so their unaltered 24th Century no longer exists.
The Terminal Expanse mission has the Kelvin Universe as a parallel universe not an alternate timeline that split in 2233. Of course, that only relates to the connection between the Kelvin-STO Universe and the STO Universe not the connection between the Prime Universe and Kelvin-Movie Universe assuming that there is a connection between the Prime Universe and the Kelvin-Movie Universe.
Of course, it is entirely possible that the Prime Universe has nothing to do with any Kelvin Universe with Romulus still existing and what we assume to be the Prime Universe in Star Trek 2009 is actually the STO Universe. What happens to Romulus after Nemesis and whether Spock and Nero traveled to a 23rd Century in the Prime Universe will have to wait until a TV series is set in the Prime Universe after Nemesis.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Academy Flight Trainers? I don't think they were ever called fighters.
As for ID, that's just JJs military fetishism showing. That whole scene embarrassingly out of place in Starfleet. Compare it to the genuinely emotional funeral in TWoK. As for what they were, they looked like normal aircraft rather than shuttles or any sort of spacecraft.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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That's because it was a different kind of memorial service than the one in TWoK.
In TWoK, it was the funeral of one man. Well loved by his friends and colleagues, but still just one man. The memorial at the end of ID was for the most-likely-thousands of people who were killed when Khan dropped a 1.5-kilometer-long battleship on downtown San Francisco.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Mine uses the Jupiter 4 I believe. Has more of the coat look, but doesn't have the segmented color on the shoulders like the Dyson. And I wish the Kelvin badge could be used on other uniforms too.
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I agree on the less KT-junk, the better. As for ST: D, let's wait and see if the producers actually make the ship better.
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I don't think the Surrak or D'Kyr would have changed much, although the production facilities for those ships probably went up with Vulcan...
Made by angsty, homeless, probably tattooed Vulcans? Probeable like this...
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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Well a lot of us do have Red Matter on our ship.
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You do realize that being a Trek "Purist" means rejecting EVERYTHING after the first half of TNG Season-1 and all the movies from "The Wrath Of Khan" on, right??
Because Mr. Roddenberry hated what Meyer did with TWoK and he was nothing more than a 'consultant' on the rest of the movies and was to ill to continue to work "hands-on daily" with TNG by the spring of 1988.
Might be time to get down off of that particular soapbox, since most folks just chuckle or shake their heads when ya spout that silly nonsense.
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Having a differing opinion is fine, just don't base it on "imagined" facts if you want folks to see, or even slightly agree with your point.
"Because he dishonors the very thing that Gene had for the series and the movies."
Truly, the only idea Gene alone had designed for his creation called Star Trek, was A Better Future For Mankind, all the rest was a conglomeration of a multitude of people who worked on what followed during and after the original series.
Gene's "Real World" goal, was to make money to pay his bills, by working in the television industry, because he enjoyed writing stories and was good at it
Putting Gene Roddenberry up on a pedestal to espouse your feelings about Star Trek, denies the many years of creativity and effort that a whole bunch of other people who also love Trek, put into the process.
You can dislike the newest iterations of Trek all you want, I'm not saying you can't.
Just don't use a false premise to attempt to justify your dislike.
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Almost every single part of that is incorrect. In fact the only part you got correct was about how JJ (really clever calling him Jar Jar by the war, sooo original and clever big man) made Star trek relevant again.
Thankfully the franchise is no longer dependent on change resistant fanbois to survive and is able to generate money from whole new generations as it continues to change in the same way it always has.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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