Past event ships to the dilithium store

spacebaronline

So another dilithium sink could be past event ships to the dilithium store. It seems that the capability is already in place. If I go to claim one on the event store tab I see cost as zero dilithium for the ones that I have earned on other toons. The events I missed are greyed out with a cost of zero dilithium. Should they open these ships up to buy with dilithium? New players or players that missed them might want to buy. Easy dilithium sink. Cost could be lower as they are older ships. 1 million dilithium I would say is fair. That's about 2500 zen.

timonicus

yes

They won't do it for exclusivity

spacebaronline

yes

I don't think exclusively matters as anyone who ran the event could have them. Of course they should have at least a 6 months waiting period after event, or why bother with the event.

plaztikman64

Imagine how many people would not participate in the events and therefore having most likely a significant impact on the metrics, knowing that they could just buy the ships later in the dilithium store.

spacebaronline

yes

As I said above. There can be a reasonable time limit after which they become available. Maybe 6 months, maybe 12 months. I don't think a lot of people will avoid an event and wait a year just to get the ship.

echatty

yes

Just my own opinion. If they do this, a year seems appropriate. Once a new event starts, the old ships can be put in the dil store to be sold. I, for one, would rather grind for them when they come out, but if I miss them for some reason and would like to have one, then I'd grind the dil to get them from there.

OTOH, if they are put in the dil store, the account-wide unlock should be disabled. They should only open account-wide during the event they're featured in.

puckerbrush

no

If Cryptic felt this was a good idea it would have been implemented a long time ago.

evilmark444

yes

plaztikman64 wrote: »

Imagine how many people would not participate in the events and therefore having most likely a significant impact on the metrics, knowing that they could just buy the ships later in the dilithium store.

Put a 1 year delay on it going to the store.

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indyshark

yes

Lobi store would be cool

meimeitoo

yes

Sure, if y'all need a new Dilithium sink (see my sig, LOL), then have at it! And it would finally allow ppl to complete sets that were otherwise for ever out of reach, merely for having missed an event.

tarran61

yes

If its the Lobi store , they can keep it exclusively!

davefenestrator

yes

Sure, with a 1 year - 18 month delay. T5 ships for 1 million, T6 ships for 1.5.

sqwished

yes

Maybe not the dilithium store, but at least the Lobi store as was done with the original Dyson destroyer. But this is a subject that @tarastheslayer was trying to push through the OST, but nothing was ever done about it. I can only hazard a guess that the Dev's don't want it to happen.​​

anazonda

no

no because... well... I don't think those ships should be sold for dil... EC or latinum perhaps, but not dil...

davefenestrator

yes

anazonda wrote: »

no because... well... I don't think those ships should be sold for dil... EC or latinum perhaps, but not dil...

It's never going to happen. You can only buy lock box and lobi ships for EC because someone else spent zen or lobi on them for you.

dil is a zen-equivalent so dil or lobi could happen, EC could not.

gaevsprivsman

yes

That would be great, i have them all, bout would be great if others have access to it, i do think that the ships should be available a year after release..

admrenlarreck

yes

First off I have all of the Account unlock event ships. I still say yes keep them available, I don't care about the exclusiveity thing myself. but the incomplete sets bugs me and I dont even want those sets. Just go back to being able to slot them during the events. It will still keep them somewhat exclusive but keep them available. For true exclusivity do something like a costume, ship skin or a weapon that is NOT a part of a set, (account unlock though).

Just my slip of latinium.

breadandcircuses

no

Like the Lobi Store, where the Event DSD resides, you'd expect them to be single-character unlocks.
Like the new Uniforms, which make the original "horse armor" look inexpensive by comparison, you'd expect them to be ridiculously expensive.
So no thanks, I wouldn't bother with them anyway.

Now if you ask about enabling prior Event Ship Projects during the actual Event, earning them in the same manner they were originally offerred, I'd be fine with that. At the very least, having access to prior offerings this far out could be a good way of increasing participation metrics, one of the dev team's stated goals. As to exclusivity, well, I wouldn't trade the aft end of an Earth rodent in exchange for maintaining exclusive access to the Event ships.

Plus, think of the poor console folk... imagine how few Breen Ships will be available to them, how incomplete their sets will be, how slow their progress in the Admiralty System... it's just so sad.

anazonda

no

davefenestrator wrote: »

anazonda wrote: »

no because... well... I don't think those ships should be sold for dil... EC or latinum perhaps, but not dil...

It's never going to happen. You can only buy lock box and lobi ships for EC because someone else spent zen or lobi on them for you.

dil is a zen-equivalent so dil or lobi could happen, EC could not.

Neither is the end of lockboxes, stop charge for a T6 ship that you already own the T5 version of, Playable Borg faction and reasonable KDF players, but people still ask for it.

salazarraze

no

Considering the price of the new uniforms, 1 million dilithium for a ship is a joke. 5 Million dilithium at a minimum would be more appropriate. I voted no in any case, since the lobi store seems a more appropriate place for these ships to go. If nothing else, they could just allow players to slot the old projects and contribute to them using the current lobi->old currencies system.

alexhurlbut

yes

spacebaronline wrote: »

I don't think exclusively matters as anyone who ran the event could have them. Of course they should have at least a 6 months waiting period after event, or why bother with the event.

This. Have an exclusivity in the form of "We got it first by doing the event!". Then 6-12 months later you can get that event ship you missed out in the past event with dilithium.

chitowngrizz420

no

I say no and like some already stated its just not worth it. If a uniform cost 1.7mil dil a ship would be 5-10mil.
Just go back to what they did for many years before changing it a short time back.
Allow all the past ship projects available during events so players can pickup past ships.
I don't see the harm in this and never did understand why they changed it.
It is kinda stupid that future and past ships from events have consoles on them that are part of sets and to lock those up makes no sense.
It also can cost Cryptic some money!......thats right now we might have their attention lol
Things like the Kobali ship console and some others are part of sets from store ships like the Command cruisers. This could have a factor in a players decision to buy the store ships if they can never get the missing consoles.

dareau

chitowngrizz420 wrote: »

I say no and like some already stated its just not worth it. If a uniform cost 1.7mil dil a ship would be 5-10mil.
Just go back to what they did for many years before changing it a short time back.
Allow all the past ship projects available during events so players can pickup past ships.
I don't see the harm in this and never did understand why they changed it.

The change came when people had enough pearls stockpiled on alts to "zero-day" the Risian Cruiser and have no need to stockpile further pearls, because they still had multiple alts with stockpiles capable of buying more ships without grinding that year.

And because the metrics are necessary in the given year, any potential to "take a year off and come back later for the ship" needs to be quashed. Hence the "exclusivity to the year in question" bit.

However, many have argued, repeatedly, that the Dyson Science Destroyer (first ever grind-adversary ship) has "set the precedent" on how they're supposed to play out - after event, go to Lobi Store for stock price or stock price+100 lobi. Of course, the Samsar and Krenim Sci have not yet received this treatment despite being the past two "grindaversary" ships...

Hence my lack of vote. The precedent is set. Apply it.

breadandcircuses

no

dareau wrote: »

chitowngrizz420 wrote: »

I say no and like some already stated its just not worth it. If a uniform cost 1.7mil dil a ship would be 5-10mil.
Just go back to what they did for many years before changing it a short time back.
Allow all the past ship projects available during events so players can pickup past ships.
I don't see the harm in this and never did understand why they changed it.

The change came when people had enough pearls stockpiled on alts to "zero-day" the Risian Cruiser and have no need to stockpile further pearls, because they still had multiple alts with stockpiles capable of buying more ships without grinding that year.

And because the metrics are necessary in the given year, any potential to "take a year off and come back later for the ship" needs to be quashed. Hence the "exclusivity to the year in question" bit.

However, many have argued, repeatedly, that the Dyson Science Destroyer (first ever grind-adversary ship) has "set the precedent" on how they're supposed to play out - after event, go to Lobi Store for stock price or stock price+100 lobi. Of course, the Samsar and Krenim Sci have not yet received this treatment despite being the past two "grindaversary" ships...

Hence my lack of vote. The precedent is set. Apply it.

Making it possible to slot older Event Ship Projects would not necessitate enabling "stockpiling" activities; just make the currencies expire at the end of the Event, and allow use of current Vouchers for any slotted Event Ship Project. The precedent for this was set in Summer 2015, see "Notes", and is more current than even the inclusion of the Event DSD in the Lobi Store. That is where my preference would lie, especially since it still allowed players to earn the ships without excluding the Lobi option.

Admittedly, the "exclusivity" thing is the most recent development... though I can't see how having less potential Projects to complete leads to more potential participation.

spacebaronline

yes

I was thinking of a dilithium sink as the reason for the dilithium store idea. Lobi means keys and I guess keys have to be bought with real money, however, they would have to look at what would produce more revenue. People buying keys with cash, or people buying dilithium with cash(buy cpoints and sell them on exchange) the second way would remove dilithium from the system.

I suspect that those people who would be against this idea would be ec rich and dilithium poor. So they like having a high exchange rate to get more dilithium for their dollars. Most people buying dilithium would want a high selling price. People with lots of dilithium would want a lower price. I still think a lower price than the current 400 to 1 is better for the game. But that is just my opinion as I stopped grinding years ago. For me the Lobi route would be better as I am ec rich and can afford keys off the exchange.

Still I think the Lobi prices are ridiculous. You get 5.3 Lobi per box avg. That is more than $600 million ec for 600 Lobi. Silly.

What ever the idea, if they are going to lock set pieces behind event ships, then they should give access to them at some point. It is unfair to players to lock pieces behind a limited time only event. This hurt new players, returning players, and casual players who did not have the time.

ltminns

no

Cryptic is very firm and consistent with their exclusivity philosophy. Just look at those Limited Time Only Special Fleet Projects. Oh wait, they have brought them back a gajillion times.

Never mind.

If they charge 2.0 Million for an Outfit, can you imagine what they would charge for the ships?

I voted No, not because I don't want others to get these items but because of all the silly restrictions people are suggesting for making then available.

Only on the third Tuesday of the month after at least 187 days have passed 'then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then' you may buy the ship.

nickodaemus

no

Enough with the "dil sinks" already.

tempus64

yes

I agree that old event ships should be added to the dil store. However, IMO it should occur maybe 2 years after the event and should be for a lot more dil than the 1m the OP suggested. 5m minimum.

ussdelphin2

yes

I say yes but they'd have to cost way more than 1 million dillithium, more like 3 million, can't have a starship costing less than costume items. They might be old but they will come in handy for your admiralty missions, a 1 year delay to new ships being added would be a must as others have stated. I'd add buying them like a new project, so you can buy them over time by dropping dillithium in to them as and when you want so you don't have to save up the whole lump sum at once.

starkaos

Missed an option for the poll. Don't care what method is used as long as there is a way to get old event ships. In all likelihood, ending up in the Lobi Store or requiring Qmendations, Pearls, or Autographs from the Lobi Store is the way it will be done. We can already get Qmendations, Pearls, and Autographs from the Lobi Store and the Dyson Science Destroyer is an old event ship that now resides in the Lobi Store.