It would be good, but it needs to be way more than six months or a year. I'm thinking 3 years. You need the event to be 100% someone's first choice and the dil store option mainly being for those who weren't even around for it.
Though I think it would be better if any ship return was tied to some kind of event. For example if you were to tie each ship to a related mission and make it a new FE replay event that happened max once a year.
I have them all but others don't. Their use for compleating sets would give them value.
Adding three costumes was a moronic idea in the first place. They are not Dil sinks in the slightest. Only people who are seriously into RPing TWoK era will bother.
There are KDF and RR and even FED NPC only ships that might be worth 1000000 Dil (Typhoon, Warbarge, Balur etc.) Or even alien ones (Deferi ships, Fek'lar etc.) And obiously the event and anniversary ships. Smaller lower level ships (the frigates and cruisers) are worth lesser amounts but help provide a leveling experience.
Instead we got the usual half arseing of an idea with costumes worth 250 Zen in a bundle now worth £42 sold in a manner guaranteeing nobody will waste the money on them.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Those of you wanting these event ships added to the Dil store do you actually realize what that would cost you?
Lets say the Dil exchange stays around 400 per zen as it is right now.
Lets also say that a price of 5million Dil is what the ship would be put into the store for.
5mil dil at 400 per zen = 12,500 zen
Lets say these ships being added to the Dil store causes a sink and the market goes down to 300 per zen.
5mil dil at 300 per zen = 16,666
Is one event ship worth $125.00 or even $166.00?
For those prices someone can buy the giant bundles with several T6 endgame ships or a couple of the of the middle priced bundles.
This a no brainer if you save the Dil for ship instead you can cash out and get more for your Dil than 1 ship.
If your using your cash to buy the Dil your are seriously over paying for 1 ship.
All those numbers double if the ships would be 10million Dil per ship.
10mil dil at 400 per zen = 25,000 zen or $250.00 ......lol
10mil dil at 300 per zen = 33,333 zen or $333.00.......OMG now that would be funny if someone payed that price ROFL
100 Lobi would be fair since avg 5 per box = 20keys = 2,000 zen - but should be account unlocked!
Just put the past ships back as projects and with the new system of last years tokens being unusable during a current event already solves the problem of the past stock pilling problem.
Those of you wanting these event ships added to the Dil store do you actually realize what that would cost you?
Lets say the Dil exchange stays around 400 per zen as it is right now. Lets also say that a price of 5million Dil is what the ship would be put into the store for.
5mil dil at 400 per zen = 12,500 zen
Lets say these ships being added to the Dil store causes a sink and the market goes down to 300 per zen.
5mil dil at 300 per zen = 16,666
Is one event ship worth $125.00 or even $166.00?
For those prices someone can buy the giant bundles with several T6 endgame ships or a couple of the of the middle priced bundles.
This a no brainer if you save the Dil for ship instead you can cash out and get more for your Dil than 1 ship.
If your using your cash to buy the Dil your are seriously over paying for 1 ship.
All those number double if the ships would be 10million Dil per ship.
10mil dil at 400 per zen = 25,000 zen or $250.00 ......lol
10mil dil at 300 per zen = 33,333 zen or $333.00.......OMG now that would be funny if someone payed that price ROFL
100 Lobi would be fair since avg 5 per box = 20keys = 2,000 zen - but should be account unlocked!
Just put the past ships back as projects and with the new system of last years tokens being unusable during a current event already solves the problem of the past stock pilling problem.
But why? 1 million is reasonable for T6, with 800K being about right for a T5. Why would you arbitrarily decide on 5 million?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Those of you wanting these event ships added to the Dil store do you actually realize what that would cost you?
Lets say the Dil exchange stays around 400 per zen as it is right now. Lets also say that a price of 5million Dil is what the ship would be put into the store for.
5mil dil at 400 per zen = 12,500 zen
Lets say these ships being added to the Dil store causes a sink and the market goes down to 300 per zen.
5mil dil at 300 per zen = 16,666
Is one event ship worth $125.00 or even $166.00?
For those prices someone can buy the giant bundles with several T6 endgame ships or a couple of the of the middle priced bundles.
This a no brainer if you save the Dil for ship instead you can cash out and get more for your Dil than 1 ship.
If your using your cash to buy the Dil your are seriously over paying for 1 ship.
All those number double if the ships would be 10million Dil per ship.
10mil dil at 400 per zen = 25,000 zen or $250.00 ......lol
10mil dil at 300 per zen = 33,333 zen or $333.00.......OMG now that would be funny if someone payed that price ROFL
100 Lobi would be fair since avg 5 per box = 20keys = 2,000 zen - but should be account unlocked!
Just put the past ships back as projects and with the new system of last years tokens being unusable during a current event already solves the problem of the past stock pilling problem.
But why? 1 million is reasonable for T6, with 800K being about right for a T5. Why would you arbitrarily decide on 5 million?
They would have to make the price much higher than whats already in the store. If an outfit cost 1.7mil dil then a ship would have to priced much higher than clothes.
Those of you wanting these event ships added to the Dil store do you actually realize what that would cost you?
Lets say the Dil exchange stays around 400 per zen as it is right now. Lets also say that a price of 5million Dil is what the ship would be put into the store for.
5mil dil at 400 per zen = 12,500 zen
Lets say these ships being added to the Dil store causes a sink and the market goes down to 300 per zen.
5mil dil at 300 per zen = 16,666
Is one event ship worth $125.00 or even $166.00?
For those prices someone can buy the giant bundles with several T6 endgame ships or a couple of the of the middle priced bundles.
This a no brainer if you save the Dil for ship instead you can cash out and get more for your Dil than 1 ship.
If your using your cash to buy the Dil your are seriously over paying for 1 ship.
All those number double if the ships would be 10million Dil per ship.
10mil dil at 400 per zen = 25,000 zen or $250.00 ......lol
10mil dil at 300 per zen = 33,333 zen or $333.00.......OMG now that would be funny if someone payed that price ROFL
100 Lobi would be fair since avg 5 per box = 20keys = 2,000 zen - but should be account unlocked!
Just put the past ships back as projects and with the new system of last years tokens being unusable during a current event already solves the problem of the past stock pilling problem.
But why? 1 million is reasonable for T6, with 800K being about right for a T5. Why would you arbitrarily decide on 5 million?
They would have to make the price much higher than whats already in the store. If an outfit cost 1.7mil dil then a ship would have to priced much higher than clothes.
Or they remove the costumes and add them to the C-Store where they belong and fire whichever intern came up with that brain-dead idea in the first place.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I don't think exclusively matters as anyone who ran the event could have them. Of course they should have at least a 6 months waiting period after event, or why bother with the event.
if players are happy to wait a year as they did before then why should 6 months bother them, if fact most will not be bothered to play the event at all once they know they can get the ships with dilithium at some point in the future.
it is only the knowledge that these ships will be out of their reach forever that makes them play the event at all.
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I'm in the, "Don't care personally" camp. If I don't have a particular event ship I could have ground for free it's because I didn't feel it was worth having in the first place. If there were Klingon and Romulan event ships rather than alien ones being given away I would feel differently. Since it's so difficult to justify producing them for sale maybe giving them away for nothing would be more viable. It would also beautify space considerably.
I vote No, because I think the ships should still be available through running the Event. One problem they cited was players stockpiling Event Currency for the next year's ship without having to run the Event at all, which defeated the purpose of having the Event if players weren't playing it.
They've already shown that they can retire the previous year's Event Currency and implement new Event Currency for the next year's ship. Retired Event Currency can't buy the current year's ship, but new Event Currency could buy the previous year's ship as long as the project was slotted. Of course, that option is now no longer available as Cryptic clears out old Event Ship Projects prior to the next Event.
I think they should bring back the old Event Ships as Event Projects for the particular Event, but continue with retiring Event Currencies. It only encourages more participation in the Events that they are wanting players to participate in.
If not that, then maybe add past Event Ships to the Lockbox pool.
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Artan, lots of people have already bought those uniforms.
That's fine. refund all the Dil they spent. There's hardly that many, I've not seen a single one in any of the busy hubs.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I think the price scale people are throwing out there based on the cost of costumes is too high. Just because a costume costs $50 in dilithium, does not mean a ship has to. At this price people will just go cstore. They can get away with the costumes as they are really vanity items. If you want a ship to finish a set, that should not be prohibited just because you missed an event. Maybe you are new to the game?
2 million would be the upper band. That is the cost of most lock box ships that are new. Older ships on the exchange are equivalent to around 1 million dilithium. Frankly 900 Lobi for a ship is ridiculous. At 5 per box = 180 keys * 5.7m ec = over 1 billion ec!! Crazy time. Sure you can get other stuff in the box to bring your cost down, like maybe a grand prize ship. But going for Lobi is just silly. Frankly I am shocked the Lobi ships are only around $300 million on the exchange.
Those of you wanting these event ships added to the Dil store do you actually realize what that would cost you?
Lets say the Dil exchange stays around 400 per zen as it is right now. Lets also say that a price of 5million Dil is what the ship would be put into the store for.
5mil dil at 400 per zen = 12,500 zen
Lets say these ships being added to the Dil store causes a sink and the market goes down to 300 per zen.
5mil dil at 300 per zen = 16,666
Is one event ship worth $125.00 or even $166.00?
For those prices someone can buy the giant bundles with several T6 endgame ships or a couple of the of the middle priced bundles.
This a no brainer if you save the Dil for ship instead you can cash out and get more for your Dil than 1 ship.
If your using your cash to buy the Dil your are seriously over paying for 1 ship.
All those number double if the ships would be 10million Dil per ship.
10mil dil at 400 per zen = 25,000 zen or $250.00 ......lol
10mil dil at 300 per zen = 33,333 zen or $333.00.......OMG now that would be funny if someone payed that price ROFL
100 Lobi would be fair since avg 5 per box = 20keys = 2,000 zen - but should be account unlocked!
Just put the past ships back as projects and with the new system of last years tokens being unusable during a current event already solves the problem of the past stock pilling problem.
But why? 1 million is reasonable for T6, with 800K being about right for a T5. Why would you arbitrarily decide on 5 million?
They would have to make the price much higher than whats already in the store. If an outfit cost 1.7mil dil then a ship would have to priced much higher than clothes.
Or they remove the costumes and add them to the C-Store where they belong and fire whichever intern came up with that brain-dead idea in the first place.
The dilithium costumes were priced to be equivalent to the Lobi Store costumes according to current Dilthium per Zen prices. I don't have a problem with there being Dilithium outfits available. What I have a problem with is those outfits being in the Dilthium Store. The Dilithium Store should contain the same type of outfits that are available in the Lobi Store. Outfits that belong to Starfleet, KDF, or Romulans should be in the C-Store. There is even The Wrath of Khan uniform and Enterprise 22nd Century Uniforms in the C-Store which are from the same time and faction as the Dilithium outfits. So if Cryptic decided to sell Theiss' costumes from TOS in STO, then the Dilithium Store would be an appropriate place for them.
But why? 1 million is reasonable for T6, with 800K being about right for a T5. Why would you arbitrarily decide on 5 million?
So 1 million is "reasonable" and 5 million is "arbitrary?" In actuality both are arbitrary but at least the 5 million price is based on the 2 million uniform price. And if we we're being consistent with the uniform price, a ship should cost at least 10 million.
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Just put the past ships back as projects and with the new system of last years tokens being unusable during a current event already solves the problem of the past stock pilling problem.
I agree with this but it's already been shot down by the devs. Considering that they've already created a system for existing projects to be completed, they only need to unlock past projects so that they can be slotted by new or previously absent players.
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Make it available in some way? Sure- but not for an extremely abundant resource such as Dilithium, which is surprisingly easy to obtain throughout the course of the game.
Event ships themselves have an exclusive nature- like it or not. If you disagree with this, then you're beef isn't with the current availability- it's with the "exclusive nature" of it's introduction to begin with.
If they make them all available to everyone years later- what was the whole point of basing them on an event they will never revisit again? Else, they should just make the event itself available for people to earn them- and not make the events time limited.
Personally- I see this as a better course of action, rather than locking them behind some economic paywall, but I can also see why some would disagree because of the "race" to participate in events. (why would the introduction of an event garner masses if they can just complete it at their own convenience?, as an example)
Then there's the console set bonuses which factor in, such as never having the ability to complete a set if you missed the event- which I have to agree isn't the best way to get people to obtain said consoles. For these, I'd recommend at least making them available in some manner so even if it's difficult, it's not completely impossible.
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No vote because Dil store is the wrong approach, for me.
They solved the 'Day 1 ships' problem with dated favors for the ships. Older ships should be available to unlock during the event, using the current years event favors only. Partially completed projects could be completed using the in-place mechanic of purchasing packs of current favors with Lobi.
This will increase participation in the event, increase player satisfaction, help drive key/lockbox/Lobi sales, and make more gaming/set/ship/trait options available to newer players who simply had no opportunity to participate in earlier events.
I personally have seen this topic discussed at least a dozen times, and so far not a single person mentioned 'exclusivity' having any bearing on the event ships they owned. How is a free ship that half the player base owns and doesn't even use 'exclusive'?
(Note: I do already have them all, I simply feel newer players should have a shot at them also.)
No vote because Dil store is the wrong approach, for me.
They solved the 'Day 1 ships' problem with dated favors for the ships. Older ships should be available to unlock during the event, using the current years event favors only. Partially completed projects could be completed using the in-place mechanic of purchasing packs of current favors with Lobi.
This will increase participation in the event, increase player satisfaction, help drive key/lockbox/Lobi sales, and make more gaming/set/ship/trait options available to newer players who simply had no opportunity to participate in earlier events.
I personally have seen this topic discussed at least a dozen times, and so far not a single person mentioned 'exclusivity' having any bearing on the event ships they owned. How is a free ship that half the player base owns and doesn't even use 'exclusive'?
(Note: I do already have them all, I simply feel newer players should have a shot at them also.)
They're "exclusive" because not everyone has access to them all.
If others had access, they would no longer be "exclusive". One only needs to look up the definition of "exclusion" in order to disseminate this.
I personally only have access to only one of them- and don't really wish to pursue obtaining the rest of them. (for various reasons, but mainly because most are obsolete anyway) I do however, also believe that others should have a means of obtaining them available- I don't necessarily agree with the exclusive nature, I'm merely pointing out that it's part of the game as it stands.
I don't agree with dilithium as being the method, though- which as the thread title suggests is the alternative method.
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Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
No vote because Dil store is the wrong approach, for me.
They solved the 'Day 1 ships' problem with dated favors for the ships. Older ships should be available to unlock during the event, using the current years event favors only. Partially completed projects could be completed using the in-place mechanic of purchasing packs of current favors with Lobi.
This will increase participation in the event, increase player satisfaction, help drive key/lockbox/Lobi sales, and make more gaming/set/ship/trait options available to newer players who simply had no opportunity to participate in earlier events.
I personally have seen this topic discussed at least a dozen times, and so far not a single person mentioned 'exclusivity' having any bearing on the event ships they owned. How is a free ship that half the player base owns and doesn't even use 'exclusive'?
(Note: I do already have them all, I simply feel newer players should have a shot at them also.)
They're "exclusive" because not everyone has access to them all.
If others had access, they would no longer be "exclusive". One only needs to look up the definition of "exclusion" in order to disseminate this.
I personally only have access to only one of them- and don't really wish to pursue obtaining the rest of them. (for various reasons, but mainly because most are obsolete anyway) I do however, also believe that others should have a means of obtaining them available- I don't necessarily agree with the exclusive nature, I'm merely pointing out that it's part of the game as it stands.
I don't agree with dilithium as being the method, though- which as the thread title suggests is the alternative method.
And yet Cryptic has ignored exclusivity when they wanted. The Mirror TOS Uniform was originally an unlock for purchasing the Champions Online LTS until Cryptic added it to the C-Store. Veteran Rewards originally were limited to the amount of time subscribed until they made every single Veteran Reward available for any Lifer. The Liberated Borg Engineering Bridge Officer from preordering from Amazon was made available in the C-Store about 6 months after the game came out. Then there is the Khan and Bloodwine Emote that were originally part of the Digital Deluxe Edition, then added as a C-Store item, and then removed from the C-Store.
For the second and I think third Winter Event, you could slot up any previous Winter Event ship and grind for it like normal. Of course, this was before they became Account unlocks. However, they were only exclusive for most of the year instead of being permanently exclusive.
D0 people just want to buy these old ships for Admiralty Cards? Consoles? Traits?
Would people actually buy that old freebie ship for...what?...collecting???
Or wouldn't it be more preferable to spend the Dilithium on newer stuff?
I mean, eventually you end up with more stuff sitting around than being used.
Maybe sell the Admiralty Cards, Consoles and Traits in Dilithium Store at what ever is considered a decent price for a "sink"?
But really...is any of the freebie stuff worth millions of Dilithium to collect?
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I don't think exclusively matters as anyone who ran the event could have them. Of course they should have at least a 6 months waiting period after event, or why bother with the event.
if players are happy to wait a year as they did before then why should 6 months bother them, if fact most will not be bothered to play the event at all once they know they can get the ships with dilithium at some point in the future.
it is only the knowledge that these ships will be out of their reach forever that makes them play the event at all.
For the record, I'm not married to the idea of the Dilithium store per se. I do, however, deem it fair players get a renewed chance (through whatever kind of store) to get the event ships they missed out on the first time around (even if they have to wait until next year or so). Wanting ppl to play the event is one thing: punishing them in perpetuity for missing it, is quite another.
They're "exclusive" because not everyone has access to them all.
If others had access, they would no longer be "exclusive". One only needs to look up the definition of "exclusion" in order to disseminate this.
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My phrasing may not have been clear enough. What I meant was that in the referenced discussions, if you ask people "does this notion of 'retaining a ships exclusivity' by making the past event ships unobtainable matter to you at all?", any who bothered to reply said 'didn't matter' and nobody said "Yes I value my event ships exclusive nature".
Just pointing out that, while Cryptic may be listing this as a concern of theirs, it almost certainly isn't a significant player concern.
I agree with Where2r1 a couple posts above... the event ships really aren't worth a load of Dil, they are nice and useful and something to toy with. If they implemented a 'significant cost' barrier it would be a semi-meaningless effort, as it would take up dev time, while only benefitting the tiny fraction of players who were willing to pay a high cost for a decent-but-not-truly competitive ship.
Again, making them available during the appropriate event for current-year favors increases their metrics, increases player participation and satisfaction, and from what I can see has no abuseable downside (such as stockpiling favors for later events etc).
And remember, unlike the Uniforms that had to have design time allocated to them, the ships are already in the system.
This 'Exclusivity' garbage rose out of a borked implementation of the Account unlock mechanism. They were so afraid of people picking up the Prize Ship on Day One that they instituted this. They never seem to know what people would do to relieve grind if given the opportunity. And doing the pre-planning was NOT cheating as some have indicated.
What they should have done is keep the old Projects around but allow no more than 400 of the Vouchers allocated to them from the applicable previous year (and none to the Anniversary Ship and only one time). This way all Events start off with that equal 10 day starter only. Current year Vouchers can always be allocated to these older Projects.
You can see their cluelessness for other items as well that had them remove various items from eligibility for Weekend Bonus' awards.
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I don't give a monkey's about "exclusivity". I see no need for my ship to make a statement along the lines of "har har I got to log in once a day for three weeks in the summer of 2014 and you didn't, nyaah nyaah sucks to be you".
Dilithium store, Lobi store... whatever works. At a minimum, I'd suggest putting the associated ship consoles into a store somewhere, so that people can complete the various equipment sets.
I say why not for the older ships? Also the exclusive argument goes out the window when you ask yourself "when was the last time I saw someone fly a (insert 3yr or older event ship here)."
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Though I think it would be better if any ship return was tied to some kind of event. For example if you were to tie each ship to a related mission and make it a new FE replay event that happened max once a year.
Adding three costumes was a moronic idea in the first place. They are not Dil sinks in the slightest. Only people who are seriously into RPing TWoK era will bother.
There are KDF and RR and even FED NPC only ships that might be worth 1000000 Dil (Typhoon, Warbarge, Balur etc.) Or even alien ones (Deferi ships, Fek'lar etc.) And obiously the event and anniversary ships.
Smaller lower level ships (the frigates and cruisers) are worth lesser amounts but help provide a leveling experience.
Instead we got the usual half arseing of an idea with costumes worth 250 Zen in a bundle now worth £42 sold in a manner guaranteeing nobody will waste the money on them.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Lets say the Dil exchange stays around 400 per zen as it is right now.
Lets also say that a price of 5million Dil is what the ship would be put into the store for.
5mil dil at 400 per zen = 12,500 zen
Lets say these ships being added to the Dil store causes a sink and the market goes down to 300 per zen.
5mil dil at 300 per zen = 16,666
Is one event ship worth $125.00 or even $166.00?
For those prices someone can buy the giant bundles with several T6 endgame ships or a couple of the of the middle priced bundles.
This a no brainer if you save the Dil for ship instead you can cash out and get more for your Dil than 1 ship.
If your using your cash to buy the Dil your are seriously over paying for 1 ship.
All those numbers double if the ships would be 10million Dil per ship.
10mil dil at 400 per zen = 25,000 zen or $250.00 ......lol
10mil dil at 300 per zen = 33,333 zen or $333.00.......OMG now that would be funny if someone payed that price ROFL
100 Lobi would be fair since avg 5 per box = 20keys = 2,000 zen - but should be account unlocked!
Just put the past ships back as projects and with the new system of last years tokens being unusable during a current event already solves the problem of the past stock pilling problem.
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But why? 1 million is reasonable for T6, with 800K being about right for a T5. Why would you arbitrarily decide on 5 million?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Or they remove the costumes and add them to the C-Store where they belong and fire whichever intern came up with that brain-dead idea in the first place.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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if players are happy to wait a year as they did before then why should 6 months bother them, if fact most will not be bothered to play the event at all once they know they can get the ships with dilithium at some point in the future.
it is only the knowledge that these ships will be out of their reach forever that makes them play the event at all.
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maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
They've already shown that they can retire the previous year's Event Currency and implement new Event Currency for the next year's ship. Retired Event Currency can't buy the current year's ship, but new Event Currency could buy the previous year's ship as long as the project was slotted. Of course, that option is now no longer available as Cryptic clears out old Event Ship Projects prior to the next Event.
I think they should bring back the old Event Ships as Event Projects for the particular Event, but continue with retiring Event Currencies. It only encourages more participation in the Events that they are wanting players to participate in.
If not that, then maybe add past Event Ships to the Lockbox pool.
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That's fine. refund all the Dil they spent. There's hardly that many, I've not seen a single one in any of the busy hubs.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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2 million would be the upper band. That is the cost of most lock box ships that are new. Older ships on the exchange are equivalent to around 1 million dilithium.
Frankly 900 Lobi for a ship is ridiculous. At 5 per box = 180 keys * 5.7m ec = over 1 billion ec!! Crazy time. Sure you can get other stuff in the box to bring your cost down, like maybe a grand prize ship. But going for Lobi is just silly. Frankly I am shocked the Lobi ships are only around $300 million on the exchange.
The dilithium costumes were priced to be equivalent to the Lobi Store costumes according to current Dilthium per Zen prices. I don't have a problem with there being Dilithium outfits available. What I have a problem with is those outfits being in the Dilthium Store. The Dilithium Store should contain the same type of outfits that are available in the Lobi Store. Outfits that belong to Starfleet, KDF, or Romulans should be in the C-Store. There is even The Wrath of Khan uniform and Enterprise 22nd Century Uniforms in the C-Store which are from the same time and faction as the Dilithium outfits. So if Cryptic decided to sell Theiss' costumes from TOS in STO, then the Dilithium Store would be an appropriate place for them.
I agree with this but it's already been shot down by the devs. Considering that they've already created a system for existing projects to be completed, they only need to unlock past projects so that they can be slotted by new or previously absent players.
Event ships themselves have an exclusive nature- like it or not. If you disagree with this, then you're beef isn't with the current availability- it's with the "exclusive nature" of it's introduction to begin with.
If they make them all available to everyone years later- what was the whole point of basing them on an event they will never revisit again? Else, they should just make the event itself available for people to earn them- and not make the events time limited.
Personally- I see this as a better course of action, rather than locking them behind some economic paywall, but I can also see why some would disagree because of the "race" to participate in events. (why would the introduction of an event garner masses if they can just complete it at their own convenience?, as an example)
Then there's the console set bonuses which factor in, such as never having the ability to complete a set if you missed the event- which I have to agree isn't the best way to get people to obtain said consoles. For these, I'd recommend at least making them available in some manner so even if it's difficult, it's not completely impossible.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
They solved the 'Day 1 ships' problem with dated favors for the ships. Older ships should be available to unlock during the event, using the current years event favors only. Partially completed projects could be completed using the in-place mechanic of purchasing packs of current favors with Lobi.
This will increase participation in the event, increase player satisfaction, help drive key/lockbox/Lobi sales, and make more gaming/set/ship/trait options available to newer players who simply had no opportunity to participate in earlier events.
I personally have seen this topic discussed at least a dozen times, and so far not a single person mentioned 'exclusivity' having any bearing on the event ships they owned. How is a free ship that half the player base owns and doesn't even use 'exclusive'?
(Note: I do already have them all, I simply feel newer players should have a shot at them also.)
They're "exclusive" because not everyone has access to them all.
If others had access, they would no longer be "exclusive". One only needs to look up the definition of "exclusion" in order to disseminate this.
I personally only have access to only one of them- and don't really wish to pursue obtaining the rest of them. (for various reasons, but mainly because most are obsolete anyway) I do however, also believe that others should have a means of obtaining them available- I don't necessarily agree with the exclusive nature, I'm merely pointing out that it's part of the game as it stands.
I don't agree with dilithium as being the method, though- which as the thread title suggests is the alternative method.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
And yet Cryptic has ignored exclusivity when they wanted. The Mirror TOS Uniform was originally an unlock for purchasing the Champions Online LTS until Cryptic added it to the C-Store. Veteran Rewards originally were limited to the amount of time subscribed until they made every single Veteran Reward available for any Lifer. The Liberated Borg Engineering Bridge Officer from preordering from Amazon was made available in the C-Store about 6 months after the game came out. Then there is the Khan and Bloodwine Emote that were originally part of the Digital Deluxe Edition, then added as a C-Store item, and then removed from the C-Store.
For the second and I think third Winter Event, you could slot up any previous Winter Event ship and grind for it like normal. Of course, this was before they became Account unlocks. However, they were only exclusive for most of the year instead of being permanently exclusive.
Would people actually buy that old freebie ship for...what?...collecting???
Or wouldn't it be more preferable to spend the Dilithium on newer stuff?
I mean, eventually you end up with more stuff sitting around than being used.
Maybe sell the Admiralty Cards, Consoles and Traits in Dilithium Store at what ever is considered a decent price for a "sink"?
But really...is any of the freebie stuff worth millions of Dilithium to collect?
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My phrasing may not have been clear enough. What I meant was that in the referenced discussions, if you ask people "does this notion of 'retaining a ships exclusivity' by making the past event ships unobtainable matter to you at all?", any who bothered to reply said 'didn't matter' and nobody said "Yes I value my event ships exclusive nature".
Just pointing out that, while Cryptic may be listing this as a concern of theirs, it almost certainly isn't a significant player concern.
I agree with Where2r1 a couple posts above... the event ships really aren't worth a load of Dil, they are nice and useful and something to toy with. If they implemented a 'significant cost' barrier it would be a semi-meaningless effort, as it would take up dev time, while only benefitting the tiny fraction of players who were willing to pay a high cost for a decent-but-not-truly competitive ship.
Again, making them available during the appropriate event for current-year favors increases their metrics, increases player participation and satisfaction, and from what I can see has no abuseable downside (such as stockpiling favors for later events etc).
This 'Exclusivity' garbage rose out of a borked implementation of the Account unlock mechanism. They were so afraid of people picking up the Prize Ship on Day One that they instituted this. They never seem to know what people would do to relieve grind if given the opportunity. And doing the pre-planning was NOT cheating as some have indicated.
What they should have done is keep the old Projects around but allow no more than 400 of the Vouchers allocated to them from the applicable previous year (and none to the Anniversary Ship and only one time). This way all Events start off with that equal 10 day starter only. Current year Vouchers can always be allocated to these older Projects.
You can see their cluelessness for other items as well that had them remove various items from eligibility for Weekend Bonus' awards.
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Dilithium store, Lobi store... whatever works. At a minimum, I'd suggest putting the associated ship consoles into a store somewhere, so that people can complete the various equipment sets.