I think that if my opinion differs from a Dev, I can present my position well enough they'll sometimes pause and consider it. I've had Borticus all but say 'that's a great idea but we don't have the time or resources to implement it' and rather than sit there and scream at him about how brilliant I am and he's doing it wrong, I just nod my head agreeably and move on to the next possible improvement that might fit within constraints I can't see from outside their offices. And I also know at the end of the day they bet their livelihoods on the outcome while I'm just an interested observer. There's an element of respect there that's totally lacking in the OP's froth-spattered screed.
If the OP really wants to see some changes, they need to up their game considerably.
One of the people they claimed "defends everything" provided easily verifiable information that they don't, of course the negative poster's have lost rationality.
That's surprising. To think it was done on a weekend when the rule of thumb on moderation is "I'll get around to it on Monday, probably.", one might get the impression it was intentional.
i have noticed that there are some people who seem to defend cryptic no matter what they do.
example: gecko says the TOS faction will be at least as much of a faction as Romulans. it wasnt true.
but some people defend it.
or AOY winds up being the smallest faction in gaming history with only 10 missions.
but some people defend it.
what i want to know is what would it actually take for those people to not defend cryptic?
how big of a lie would they have to tel, or how bad would something have to turn out being that those people just couldnt find some way to defend it?
or would those people just make up excuses to defend it no matter what?
So, how butt hurt are you? Cause on a scale of 1-10 I think you blew the roof on the curve. I just love people that basically throw a ***** fit because a gaming company didn't do it EXACTLY the way they wanted it.
Sorry on this one you're being a total hypocrite.
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what i want to know is what would it actually take for those people to not defend cryptic?
Divine intervention.
But, honestly, these forums don't mean much of anything. If you look through all the threads, you'll see that the overwhelming majority of posts come from the same ~20 people. It's better to think of this forum as a tiny, private group of people.
If I caught Cryptic selling illict narcotics to kindergardeners, I will admit I would have difficulty trying to find a positive spin for such an issue.
If they sudden became avid recruiters for Islamic State and attempted to radicalize the playerbase through the medium of STO, It would again be difficult to defend such behavior.
But I am pretty bright fellow so I imagine I could figure something out.
I like this game. It is prefectly good way to waste a couple hours of free time. But it is only a game. If it shuts down tomorrow. meh.
Oh, waitaminnit. There is something I cannot nor will not defend: Overly dramatic people acting overly butthurt in public over some percieved slight or mistreatment in an online game. Somewhere on this planet, someone will go to sleep hungry tonight with little or no prospect of having food tomorrow. Somewhere on this planet, someone is being denied the basic human rights we are all supposed to have.
OP, this kinda puts everything into the proper perspective, don't it? Why don't you carry your First World Problem totin' self off to complain somewhere else.
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What will it make for people to grasp there's more to a faction that mission count?
Or maybe to have that lightbulb moment that we stopped having separate missions for the three factions years ago and maybe expecting them to fritter away developer time on content that can only be run by a fraction of the player base isn't just unreasonable, it's outright STUPID.
Exclusive mission count is the single most important aspect of a faction, because while unique animations are cool, content is what DEFINES a faction. I don't expect them to continue to make exclusive content after an expansion, but I DO expect a new faction to come with a reasonable amount of exclusive content rather than an amount so low that it's insulting to anyone who wanted to play that faction.
Exclusive mission count is the single most important aspect of a faction
Well I won't argue that's the single most important thing TO YOU.
But there are a lot of things that went into the TOS 'path' that'll still be there amusing some of the rest of us long after we would have burned though the '13 missing missions'.
And again, to me, starting months ago from reading other comments from Devs that no one seems to remember because they aren't 'Geko witchhunts', it was abundantly apparent that the focus of the last three quarters (maybe longer, I've only been back that long) has been ENTIRELY on new player acquisition. Which is to me a really good idea with the promotional opportunities of the 50th Anniversary coming up. And every decision they've made in my line of sight has lined up neatly with that framework. Including NOT sinking tons of time into TOS-only content when they could instead give everybody a new arc.
Exclusive mission count is the single most important aspect of a faction
Well I won't argue that's the single most important thing TO YOU.
But there are a lot of things that went into the TOS 'path' that'll still be there amusing some of the rest of us long after we would have burned though the '13 missing missions'.
And again, to me, starting months ago from reading other comments from Devs that no one seems to remember because they aren't 'Geko witchhunts', it was abundantly apparent that the focus of the last three quarters (maybe longer, I've only been back that long) has been ENTIRELY on new player acquisition. Which is to me a really good idea with the promotional opportunities of the 50th Anniversary coming up. And every decision they've made in my line of sight has lined up neatly with that framework. Including NOT sinking tons of time into TOS-only content when they could instead give everybody a new arc.
I would have accepted that, if the trade off was additional cross-faction missions, but it's not, there's only 5, just like in LoR.
It's funny because in my opinion the single-most important thing that defines a faction is the art.
The art of the player characters. The costume options. The starships they fly. The ground weapons and equipment. The environmental art. Even things like UI color schemes defines a STO faction to me.
But everybody has their own definitions of what makes a faction a faction.
If its a case of "I wish there was more content coming out for STO" I'm right there with you. But I'm also enjoying the two new ques, so life's not all bad .
That said, I don't feel the need to harangue the Devs over choosing how best to use what resources that have. If we're down 5 missions because of the effort going into restringing all the lights, and down another 5 because they're building a new UI, I can live with that as long as I get some new check boxes out of it to apply some of that time and effort to my gameplay and not just watch the console folks have all the new shiny .
And Great Maker... some of the implications of the new UI and giving my Boffs "standing orders" could be breathtaking.
I thought General Discussion was here to have general discussions about the game... instead of other Forum users' behaviour.
doesn't that fall under general discussions? I mean basically everything else ends up here.
granted everything thats needs said on the matter only need one sentence.
The focus here seems to be on the actions of other forum users instead of actual gameplay.
And, to quote some genetically engineered human: it's a stupid question (in the OP I mean). You'll always find someone who agrees with a decision and will defend it. I'm not sure what the OP is seeing but I have a feeling that he's encountered what has been called a White Knight. I'm still not sure why that is worthy of discussion in a section of the Forum that is meant for discussing game-related issues though.
people playing the game and the attitudes they hold about said game are game related and if the op feels a need to voice their dislike of behavior they feel is hurting the game community, which blind hate or fanboying does. it not our place to judge, thats the mods job. and if you feel it should be else where or close you shoulsd ask one to come and see what if anything needs to be done.
Blind hate... like the OP with his dumb assumptions where he relates faction size to the amount of episodes. That entire post, with the claim that we've been told 'lies' and the attack on people who even dared to defend Cryptic by pointing out that it's a stupid criterion that people like the OP made up themselves is the perfect example of blind hate indeed.
Instead of voicing his dislike of others' behaviour, a look in the mirror might be more useful for the OP.
actually that not blind we were told it ToS was as much a faction as rom and some people feel cryptic didn't deliver, not cryptic is bad cause cryptic but they didn't deliver. blind hate is blind not reasoned. I can give you a few other reasons why calling ToS as much a faction as roms is misleading at best. but that not the topic at hand. though that has been proven by this thread already. really if you want to call the op out on blind hate you should check you not in a glass house first.
People like the OP made up an own criterion and then decided that Cryptic didn't deliver or lied based on that criterion that those players themselves came up with.
If that's not being blind to one's own foolish assumptions, then I don't know what is.
Sure, there may be other reasons why the ToS faction may or may not be as much as a faction as the Romulans. But you're right, that's not the topic of discussion here. If it was, then this thread would have had a purpose. Now it's just flame bait and ignorant whining.
and what criterion are they supposed to use? we told it was as much as rom. people looked at roms saw what they had assumed ToS was going to be something like that, and clearly some people found it lacking. I mean if you can't trust a person working on the game to know what it's comparable to who the hell can you trust.
Well, whatever criterion Geko - or whatever dev we quote and interpret into - had in mind when he said it, obviously. The devs unfortunately do have their dev mind set, and they don't always translate successfully. But in the end, it does not actually matter - Only a fraction of people actually see, read or hear these interviews and forum posts. If that means if they are understood or interpreted wrong, it's unfortunate - but trying to run after every single quote and correct any wrong interpretations or false wordings is pointless. Neither the wrong nor the right message will reach most of the people. (And just think of all the Jonny-Comes-Lately that find an old quote, get all excited over it, when it was long clarified..)
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To think, I am now one of those hated Cryptic Defenders. Me! Little old me!
Hahahahahahahahahah.
Though, I knew this was my fate the MOMENT they announced they were doing a TOS-anything. I feel like I'm in the wrong timeline now.
i wonder how many players only needed to hear "we are doing TOS" before opening their wallets and throwing money at the screen? nothing wrong with that of course, its folks money to do with what they like lol, but at what point do you sit and think "hang on, i literally do not care what the level of quality or level of content is as long as it is TOS" because i genuinely think that is exactly what pwe were counting on.
if we take away the name and visuals of each expansion, and look at them like for like, in terms of raw data and time.. vo work.. missions.. ships.. uniforms.. boffs.. doffs.. etc.. we have been sold short this time around (pardon the pun) very very short. not because of what this expansion is, but because of what it isn't.
To think, I am now one of those hated Cryptic Defenders. Me! Little old me!
Hahahahahahahahahah.
Though, I knew this was my fate the MOMENT they announced they were doing a TOS-anything. I feel like I'm in the wrong timeline now.
i wonder how many players only needed to hear "we are doing TOS" before opening their wallets and throwing money at the screen? nothing wrong with that of course, its folks money to do with what they like lol, but at what point do you sit and think "hang on, i literally do not care what the level of quality or level of content is as long as it is TOS" because i genuinely think that is exactly what pwe were counting on.
if we take away the name and visuals of each expansion, and look at them like for like, in terms of raw data and time.. vo work.. missions.. ships.. uniforms.. boffs.. doffs.. etc.. we have been sold short this time around (pardon the pun) very very short. not because of what this expansion is, but because of what it isn't.
I think you're discounting a lot of stuff that was made for the expansion because it is the kind of stuff LOR or DR didn't get. LOR did not have new bridge officer powers with era-appropriate visuals. It did not create a new UI sound theme. It did not introduce a new TOS art style.
The devil is in the details.
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What would it take to get me to allegedly stop defending Cryptic? How much does it pay to come into here and hate on them all the time for the tiniest and silliest of reasons?...
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Thought so.
Look, OP, you wanna really hate on Cryptic in a way which they will really notice? It's easy. Stop spending money on STO.
Or, if you do not currently support Cryptic's product financially in any way already, stop playing the game. But all this public teenage high school lunch room drama stuff has to stop. Your post reminds me of some of the shows on the Disney Channel where the mean girl at school keeps picking on Miley Cyrus for no good reason.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
What it would take me to stop defending cryptic for the present release? I think if it would be more like Delta Rising with the following months of in game and forum rage and players turning their backs on STO by the hundreds!
But no, it’s cool so I am. Sure the new faction is a bit smaller than the Romulans from LoR but therefore it’s 10 times as cool and fits to the 50th anniversary perfectly. I also love it that you guys didn’t stretch any arcs with those annoying patrols from Delta Rising and that you didn’t make another go Romulan or go home release either. I have 10 toons now from all four factions. Cool to see that there is something new for each of them to get and to discover.
Also nice you augmented the release with this nice recruitment event. It gives some cool opportunity to counteract the grind in STO with some easy fun in the future.
Thank you and well done cryptic.
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I thought General Discussion was here to have general discussions about the game... instead of other Forum users' behaviour.
doesn't that fall under general discussions? I mean basically everything else ends up here.
granted everything thats needs said on the matter only need one sentence.
The focus here seems to be on the actions of other forum users instead of actual gameplay.
And, to quote some genetically engineered human: it's a stupid question (in the OP I mean). You'll always find someone who agrees with a decision and will defend it. I'm not sure what the OP is seeing but I have a feeling that he's encountered what has been called a White Knight. I'm still not sure why that is worthy of discussion in a section of the Forum that is meant for discussing game-related issues though.
people playing the game and the attitudes they hold about said game are game related and if the op feels a need to voice their dislike of behavior they feel is hurting the game community, which blind hate or fanboying does. it not our place to judge, thats the mods job. and if you feel it should be else where or close you shoulsd ask one to come and see what if anything needs to be done.
Blind hate... like the OP with his dumb assumptions where he relates faction size to the amount of episodes. That entire post, with the claim that we've been told 'lies' and the attack on people who even dared to defend Cryptic by pointing out that it's a stupid criterion that people like the OP made up themselves is the perfect example of blind hate indeed.
Instead of voicing his dislike of others' behaviour, a look in the mirror might be more useful for the OP.
actually that not blind we were told it ToS was as much a faction as rom and some people feel cryptic didn't deliver, not cryptic is bad cause cryptic but they didn't deliver. blind hate is blind not reasoned. I can give you a few other reasons why calling ToS as much a faction as roms is misleading at best. but that not the topic at hand. though that has been proven by this thread already. really if you want to call the op out on blind hate you should check you not in a glass house first.
People like the OP made up an own criterion and then decided that Cryptic didn't deliver or lied based on that criterion that those players themselves came up with.
If that's not being blind to one's own foolish assumptions, then I don't know what is.
Sure, there may be other reasons why the ToS faction may or may not be as much as a faction as the Romulans. But you're right, that's not the topic of discussion here. If it was, then this thread would have had a purpose. Now it's just flame bait and ignorant whining.
and what criterion are they supposed to use? we told it was as much as rom. people looked at roms saw what they had assumed ToS was going to be something like that, and clearly some people found it lacking. I mean if you can't trust a person working on the game to know what it's comparable to who the hell can you trust.
You can trust this guy
ok no you cant trust joe isuzu either
People like the OP made up an own criterion and then decided that Cryptic didn't deliver or lied based on that criterion that those players themselves came up with.
Pretty much this.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
People will stop defending Cryptic when Cryptic stops cashing in on IP Titles and Niche Markets, and attempts to make a genuine game for genuine gamers.
If this was Spaceships Online it would have sunk a long time ago as the 'Superman 64 of MMO's' - with the rest of Perfect World's IP/Niche catalogue.
And that is just looking at the quality of the game, to say nothing about the single ships that cost nearly as much as a AAA title.
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If the OP really wants to see some changes, they need to up their game considerably.
That's surprising. To think it was done on a weekend when the rule of thumb on moderation is "I'll get around to it on Monday, probably.", one might get the impression it was intentional.
So, how butt hurt are you? Cause on a scale of 1-10 I think you blew the roof on the curve. I just love people that basically throw a ***** fit because a gaming company didn't do it EXACTLY the way they wanted it.
Sorry on this one you're being a total hypocrite.
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Divine intervention.
But, honestly, these forums don't mean much of anything. If you look through all the threads, you'll see that the overwhelming majority of posts come from the same ~20 people. It's better to think of this forum as a tiny, private group of people.
Hahahahahahahahahah.
Though, I knew this was my fate the MOMENT they announced they were doing a TOS-anything. I feel like I'm in the wrong timeline now.
If they sudden became avid recruiters for Islamic State and attempted to radicalize the playerbase through the medium of STO, It would again be difficult to defend such behavior.
But I am pretty bright fellow so I imagine I could figure something out.
I like this game. It is prefectly good way to waste a couple hours of free time. But it is only a game. If it shuts down tomorrow. meh.
Oh, waitaminnit. There is something I cannot nor will not defend: Overly dramatic people acting overly butthurt in public over some percieved slight or mistreatment in an online game. Somewhere on this planet, someone will go to sleep hungry tonight with little or no prospect of having food tomorrow. Somewhere on this planet, someone is being denied the basic human rights we are all supposed to have.
OP, this kinda puts everything into the proper perspective, don't it? Why don't you carry your First World Problem totin' self off to complain somewhere else.
Exclusive mission count is the single most important aspect of a faction, because while unique animations are cool, content is what DEFINES a faction. I don't expect them to continue to make exclusive content after an expansion, but I DO expect a new faction to come with a reasonable amount of exclusive content rather than an amount so low that it's insulting to anyone who wanted to play that faction.
Well I won't argue that's the single most important thing TO YOU.
But there are a lot of things that went into the TOS 'path' that'll still be there amusing some of the rest of us long after we would have burned though the '13 missing missions'.
And again, to me, starting months ago from reading other comments from Devs that no one seems to remember because they aren't 'Geko witchhunts', it was abundantly apparent that the focus of the last three quarters (maybe longer, I've only been back that long) has been ENTIRELY on new player acquisition. Which is to me a really good idea with the promotional opportunities of the 50th Anniversary coming up. And every decision they've made in my line of sight has lined up neatly with that framework. Including NOT sinking tons of time into TOS-only content when they could instead give everybody a new arc.
I would have accepted that, if the trade off was additional cross-faction missions, but it's not, there's only 5, just like in LoR.
The art of the player characters. The costume options. The starships they fly. The ground weapons and equipment. The environmental art. Even things like UI color schemes defines a STO faction to me.
But everybody has their own definitions of what makes a faction a faction.
That said, I don't feel the need to harangue the Devs over choosing how best to use what resources that have. If we're down 5 missions because of the effort going into restringing all the lights, and down another 5 because they're building a new UI, I can live with that as long as I get some new check boxes out of it to apply some of that time and effort to my gameplay and not just watch the console folks have all the new shiny
And Great Maker... some of the implications of the new UI and giving my Boffs "standing orders" could be breathtaking.
i wonder how many players only needed to hear "we are doing TOS" before opening their wallets and throwing money at the screen? nothing wrong with that of course, its folks money to do with what they like lol, but at what point do you sit and think "hang on, i literally do not care what the level of quality or level of content is as long as it is TOS" because i genuinely think that is exactly what pwe were counting on.
if we take away the name and visuals of each expansion, and look at them like for like, in terms of raw data and time.. vo work.. missions.. ships.. uniforms.. boffs.. doffs.. etc.. we have been sold short this time around (pardon the pun) very very short. not because of what this expansion is, but because of what it isn't.
I think you're discounting a lot of stuff that was made for the expansion because it is the kind of stuff LOR or DR didn't get. LOR did not have new bridge officer powers with era-appropriate visuals. It did not create a new UI sound theme. It did not introduce a new TOS art style.
The devil is in the details.
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Thought so.
Look, OP, you wanna really hate on Cryptic in a way which they will really notice? It's easy. Stop spending money on STO.
Or, if you do not currently support Cryptic's product financially in any way already, stop playing the game. But all this public teenage high school lunch room drama stuff has to stop. Your post reminds me of some of the shows on the Disney Channel where the mean girl at school keeps picking on Miley Cyrus for no good reason.
But no, it’s cool so I am. Sure the new faction is a bit smaller than the Romulans from LoR but therefore it’s 10 times as cool and fits to the 50th anniversary perfectly. I also love it that you guys didn’t stretch any arcs with those annoying patrols from Delta Rising and that you didn’t make another go Romulan or go home release either. I have 10 toons now from all four factions. Cool to see that there is something new for each of them to get and to discover.
Also nice you augmented the release with this nice recruitment event. It gives some cool opportunity to counteract the grind in STO with some easy fun in the future.
Thank you and well done cryptic.
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You can trust this guy
ok no you cant trust joe isuzu either
If this was Spaceships Online it would have sunk a long time ago as the 'Superman 64 of MMO's' - with the rest of Perfect World's IP/Niche catalogue.
And that is just looking at the quality of the game, to say nothing about the single ships that cost nearly as much as a AAA title.
Kobe Bryant?