Well if anyone thinks they can explain how I can be a god of destruction in a T5 bird of prey or T6 dreadnought, and good with a Nandi, but unable to do well in this destroyer, please enlighten me, totes serious. My OP was my true opinion of the ship, that is performs like a T5.
I didn't know that the only thing you needed to be a T6 was an extra console and hybrid Boff slot. Means a T6 can be deceptively weak, and now I know.
I hope they at least take the suggestion to make previous ships available through the event. I would love to collect the stuff I missed when I wasn't playing the game.
I'll be getting mine in a couple days, but I'd probably suspect you were trying to put a cruiser build on a Heavy Escort, and probably trying to use the console with a different damage type.
Is the trait a game changer? Probably not. We can only slot 4 (5 if you unlocked that slot) anyways so why complain? Use the ones you like.
Is the console a game changer? Probably not. But it would synergize well with Tetryon builds. I plan on putting my Tetryon build on her to maximize performance with that console.
The thing is someone can take ANY ship in this game and make it awesome. Conversely, someone can take the most badass top DPS T6 ship in the game and not even manage 5k DPS.
You may have had a bad experience with the ship, but that doesn't mean it is garbage. Someone else might be able to make her dance.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I tried to be reasonable in discussion, but I'm done with you. All I've gotten this entire thread is flames and people making stupid assumptions. You have all shown yourselves to be of low intellect and character. What is wrong with all you rude bullying jerkoffs anyway? Weren't you raised right? You're all a bunch of losers.
I am having a brilliant time with this ship. My KDF ROM has been through every ship i could find and all were weak. Easily defeated, slow at destroying enemies. I transferred all my gear from a warbird over to this Vorgon ship and finally this character is strong in space. Shields and hull dont go down much and it's a tank in a fight. This is my experience with the ship. It made a weak toon strong. I am very happy with it.
Well if anyone thinks they can explain how I can be a god of destruction in a T5 bird of prey or T6 dreadnought, and good with a Nandi, but unable to do well in this destroyer, please enlighten me, totes serious. My OP was my true opinion of the ship, that is performs like a T5.
I didn't know that the only thing you needed to be a T6 was an extra console and hybrid Boff slot. Means a T6 can be deceptively weak, and now I know.
I hope they at least take the suggestion to make previous ships available through the event. I would love to collect the stuff I missed when I wasn't playing the game.
Have you put your weapon power to 100 (dialed to 100, result should ideally be 125) already?
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
It has a lieutenant commander engineering slot and 4 engineering consoles. If you can't keep this thing alive, the problem is pilot error or your build.
It has 5 tactical consoles and a lieutenant commander intel station. If you can't get this ship to DPS, the problem is pilot error or your build.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
I tried to be reasonable in discussion, but I'm done with you. All I've gotten this entire thread is flames and people making stupid assumptions. You have all shown yourselves to be of low intellect and character. What is wrong with all you rude bullying jerkoffs anyway? Weren't you raised right? You're all a bunch of losers.
You people are the worst part of PWE by far, even worse than their unethical ultra capitalism and nickle and diming nonsense. I have never met a worse group of people anywhere on the internet.
I tried to be reasonable in discussion, but I'm done with you. All I've gotten this entire thread is flames and people making stupid assumptions. You have all shown yourselves to be of low intellect and character. What is wrong with all you rude bullying jerkoffs anyway? Weren't you raised right? You're all a bunch of losers.
Take two players. An average one and a top PVP'er and give them the same ships, gear, traits and have a 1v1. The top pvp'er will blow the average player away.
There's nothing wrong with admitting that you just aren't good at the game. There's plenty of us that are willing to help you with your builds should you ever want to improve.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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no, your behavior is NOT justified, nor is it allowed by the forum's ToS
@jodarkrider@askray@midniteshadow7 thread needs intervention because the OP cannot play nice with others - though, same can be said about certain others here too
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An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
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I guess if I wanna talk to anyone intelligent about the game I should try to get my smart friends back into the game, but they left it because they weren't as big Trekkies as I am and got fed up, so I doubt I can convince them. Nothing but flames and trolls in here.
It performed nicely for me today with a full Nukara tetryon build; specifically with the Nukara space set, Krenim Temporal manipulation set, and the Nukara appropriated muntions set. 4 Tetryon dual bema banks, 2 omni's, and nukara mine.
I tried to be reasonable in discussion, but I'm done with you. All I've gotten this entire thread is flames and people making stupid assumptions. You have all shown yourselves to be of low intellect and character. What is wrong with all you rude bullying jerkoffs anyway? Weren't you raised right? You're all a bunch of losers.
You people are the worst part of PWE by far, even worse than their unethical ultra capitalism and nickle and diming nonsense. I have never met a worse group of people anywhere on the internet.
Oh don't you even try to turn this around on me. I just dealt with over three dozen posts of flames and rudeness and ignorant assumptions toward me because I criticized a ship. My behavior, unlike yours, is justified. You people have NO right to push me around and talk down to me. So **** off.
I guess if I wanna talk to anyone intelligent about the game I should try to get my smart friends back into the game, but they left it because they weren't as big Trekkies as I am and got fed up, so I doubt I can convince them. Nothing but flames and trolls in here.
I dont often break this out anymore but you are in desperate need of it
It performed nicely for me today with a full Nukara tetryon build; specifically with the Nukara space set, Krenim Temporal manipulation set, and the Nukara appropriated muntions set. 4 Tetryon dual bema banks, 2 omni's, and nukara mine.
I'm gonna do something similar, except I'll only be using 2 of the munitions set, and beam arrays with the Omni. Granted I'm using Phased Tetryon...
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I know I complain a lot but OMG this ship is the WORST! I call lie on it being T6, it fails in DPS, support, and durability. Only seven weapons so it's not gonna be DPS, doesn't have enough for full support unless maybe you have Intel maxed. And it has the durability of an escort. This thing performs more like a base T5 than anything resembling a T6. This was a pathetic prize.
Here is a suggestion that I think everyone can get behind. During the summer event, allow players to que up ANY of the summer ships that have been released. This allows players to choose which ship to go for and gives newer players a chance at older ships they might want. And there is zero downside! Great, huh? Please make it happen next year.
And next time you make a prize ship, either label it right or try harder to make it competitive with other ships in its class.
I use the butterfly set (2pieces) + the terran space set (3 pieces), tetryon beams array/ phased tetryon beams/1 omni from the mission and the quantum phase torp + the console. not only this ship can take a lot of damages, but it can do a lot of damages.
btw, I don't even use shield heal, because the bonus from the terran space set gives a chance to heal.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Wow that escalated quickly. I'm away for a couple of minutes and this entire thread goes downhill
Seriously though OP, @warmaker001b 's suggestion was a good one. You clearly know how to use different types of ships if you do well in other ones. Try familiarise yourself with the escort and see what works while trying to follow general principles like using the same weapons type, going all offensive (it's an escort after all) and make incremental changes. It usually works so much better if you design your own ship.
And if that doesn't work, then you can always, as suggested, look for additional help in the build section. But really, if you are capable of performing well in other ships, then it doesn't necessarily mean that the new ship is a joke if you are having trouble in it. You may have simply overlooked something
Oh and when people say that your expectations may not have been very reasonable: that's not said by them to troll you, but because some things you mentioned simply are not necessarily very reasonable. Or they're just incorrect assumptions.
- Not every ship, certainly not free ones, should come with a very 'offensive' console. There are more weapon types than AP and plasma after all so it's only natural that some work with other damage types. And there are multiple Tetryon sets available so it doesn't necessarily have to be a bad console at all.
- Mastery traits, as noted by someone else already, are not always useful to your playstyle. Some are just fun to have, others will enhance specific abilities. That doesn't mean that it's not useful at all, just that it may not be the right starship trait for you to use.
- You should never expect to be a god in a starship. What does a god need with a starship anyway? (I'm disappointed that no one has said this yet. Tsk.)
Bottom line: the fact that some aspects of the ship are not that useful to you, doesn't mean that the ship is useless. Perhaps it's just not the right ship for you then.
Well if anyone thinks they can explain how I can be a god of destruction in a T5 bird of prey or T6 dreadnought, and good with a Nandi, but unable to do well in this destroyer, please enlighten me, totes serious.
There's a builds sub forum here where you can get that sorted out.
There's also an STO Builds Reddit which can help you get that sorted out really well too.
Both of those are probably going to be somewhat more focused and helpful for you if you're looking to unlock the power of your new ship. There's a lot of great help and advice from folks there.
I highly recommend giving one of those a try. It's helped me a ton on improving performance on ships for a lot of my alts.
It has a lieutenant commander engineering slot and 4 engineering consoles. If you can't keep this thing alive, the problem is pilot error or your build.
It has 5 tactical consoles and a lieutenant commander intel station. If you can't get this ship to DPS, the problem is pilot error or your build.
This is a very good assessment of this ship. Just one ISA and I was able to pull about the same DPS as I can in a Baltim, Tadaari, etc. That run included three 100k+ pilots and two of us did over 100k and the other did 90k. If the three of us weren't canabalizing each others dps, each of us could have done more. This ship isn't a "top tier DPS" ship, but it's still pretty damn good, especially for a freebie. The combination of 5 Tactical consoles, 4/3 weapon setup and being able to easily put in OSS3, is pretty potent.
Its comparable with the fed and Rom t6 HECs, same weapon layout, similar hull, 1 hybrid seat, 11 consoles, similar maneuverability. My guess is that most feds and roms would rather have that intel seat rather than the command and pilot seat they respectively receive.
Personally I don't like HECs, finding them to be the opposite of sweet spot in the trade-offs - too fragile for ships that isn't built for zooming around.
Most ship specific consoles suck, and most starship traits aren't great either.
The specs for the T6 Vorgon Xyfius Heavy Escort looks fine to me. I have not flown it yet though. I will compare it's stats to the T6 Phantom Intel Escort which my Fed Tactical captain has flown in the past (currently flying the Guardian).
- The hill points is 40.5k at level 50 and ends up at 47k when you are level 60. In comparison the T6 Phantom Intel Escort has 31.35k hull points at level 50 and 38k at level 60. That is a pretty decent increase in hull points so I think that would qualify as a heavy escort.
- The shield modifier of 1 is better than 0.9 that the Phantom Intel Escort has so, that is pretty decent.
- With a 4/3 weapon load out it pretty standard for any escort in the game. For the uninitiated, the Bird of Prey starships are raiders so they only have a 4/2 weapon load out, but they do get the flanking damage bonus.
- Bridge Officer slots in the Xyfius Heavy Escort is okay. It is not as flexible as the Phantom Intel Escort though since the Xyfius only has a Lt. Cmdr station that is Universal / Intelligence. The Phantom on the other hand has a Cmdr Tactical / Intelligence station, a Lieutenant Science / Intelligence and an ensign Universal station. But overall 5 Boff stations is standard for escorts.
- The Xyfius has 11 consoles vs. only 10 consoles for the Phantom. That means the Xyfius is considered to be a fleet level Tier 6 starship. The Xyfius has 5 tactical console slots which is pretty standard for an escort. And 2 science console slots also seems to be pretty standard for most escorts. However, 4 engineering console slots means an extra resistance console can be used to increase "tankiness", but there are diminishing returns when use more than one armor console.
- Only two device slots. Meh, seem standard.
- The Xyfius has a turn rate of 15 vs a turn rate of 17 that the Phantom has. That is acceptable since the Xyfius is considered to be a Heavy Escort so it seems to be a good trade off for having better hull strength. A turn rate of 15 is still good, and if boosted up high enough the ship should be able to use Dual Heavy Cannons. If not then Dual Beam Banks is definitely the way to go.
- The Impulse rating is 0.20 for the Xyfius and 0.22 for the Phantom. I think that is acceptable considering the Xyfius is a Heavy Escort.
- The Xyfius' Inertia Rating of 60 is definitely not as high as the Phantom's 75. I think it would have been better if it was 65 instead, however, I need to fly the ship to determine if 60 is "bad".
- Bonus Power for the Xyfius is +15 Weapons and +5 Engines compared to +10 Weapons and +10 Engines for the Phantom. Personally, I would have like it if the Xyfius has the same bonus as the Phantom. Yes, more power to weapons means more damage, but with only +5 power to Engines, the Xyfius will not fly as fast as the Phantom, then again it is a Heavy Escort.
Overall, in my opinion just based on the stats, the Xyfius looks like a good ship to me for a Heavy Escort... especially since it is a free starship which probably only took me around 50 - 75 minutes to do all the necessary Flying High dailies to get the ship. I will probably have my Fed Tactical captain fly this ship. Based on my playing habits, I only tend to only use C-Store ship and collect event ships. The exceptions are my KDF and Romulan Science captains due to the lack of as faction specific science ship. Those captains have flown "alien" ships in the past; my Romulan Science captain is currently flying the Krenim Science ship (2016 Anniversary), and my KDF science captain is flying the T6 Kor BoP with a heavy focus on science. However, once the T6 Eternal science ship is released, then both can fly a T6 science ship from the C-Store... even though the Eternal is not a faction specific ship.
I might also fly the Xyfius with my secondary KDF Tactical captain, but definitely not my primary KDF Tactical captain and not my Romulan Tactical captain either. Due to the Xyfius' Harasser Probe console giving +25% to Tetryon damage (and +8% Critical Severity), I guess I will have to craft Tetryon weapons to get the best potential out of the ship... However, on my secondary STO that is strictly "free to play", I will definitely give this ship a whirl with my KDF engineer and I might as well create a AoY Fed Tactical captain later is week.
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I'll be getting mine in a couple days, but I'd probably suspect you were trying to put a cruiser build on a Heavy Escort, and probably trying to use the console with a different damage type.
Is the trait a game changer? Probably not. We can only slot 4 (5 if you unlocked that slot) anyways so why complain? Use the ones you like.
Is the console a game changer? Probably not. But it would synergize well with Tetryon builds. I plan on putting my Tetryon build on her to maximize performance with that console.
The thing is someone can take ANY ship in this game and make it awesome. Conversely, someone can take the most badass top DPS T6 ship in the game and not even manage 5k DPS.
You may have had a bad experience with the ship, but that doesn't mean it is garbage. Someone else might be able to make her dance.
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But I'm not done with you.
If you know how to build a ship up on your own, you'd know the possibilities with the ship.
Here's the stats of the ship for anyone unaware:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Vorgon_Xyfius_Heavy_Escort
It has a lieutenant commander engineering slot and 4 engineering consoles. If you can't keep this thing alive, the problem is pilot error or your build.
It has 5 tactical consoles and a lieutenant commander intel station. If you can't get this ship to DPS, the problem is pilot error or your build.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
There's nothing wrong with admitting that you just aren't good at the game. There's plenty of us that are willing to help you with your builds should you ever want to improve.
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@jodarkrider @askray @midniteshadow7 thread needs intervention because the OP cannot play nice with others - though, same can be said about certain others here too
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I dont often break this out anymore but you are in desperate need of it
I'm gonna do something similar, except I'll only be using 2 of the munitions set, and beam arrays with the Omni. Granted I'm using Phased Tetryon...
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Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
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btw, I don't even use shield heal, because the bonus from the terran space set gives a chance to heal.
The OP is saying EVERYONE in the thread is doing so.
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Seriously though OP, @warmaker001b 's suggestion was a good one. You clearly know how to use different types of ships if you do well in other ones. Try familiarise yourself with the escort and see what works while trying to follow general principles like using the same weapons type, going all offensive (it's an escort after all) and make incremental changes. It usually works so much better if you design your own ship.
And if that doesn't work, then you can always, as suggested, look for additional help in the build section. But really, if you are capable of performing well in other ships, then it doesn't necessarily mean that the new ship is a joke if you are having trouble in it. You may have simply overlooked something
- Not every ship, certainly not free ones, should come with a very 'offensive' console. There are more weapon types than AP and plasma after all so it's only natural that some work with other damage types. And there are multiple Tetryon sets available so it doesn't necessarily have to be a bad console at all.
- Mastery traits, as noted by someone else already, are not always useful to your playstyle. Some are just fun to have, others will enhance specific abilities. That doesn't mean that it's not useful at all, just that it may not be the right starship trait for you to use.
- You should never expect to be a god in a starship. What does a god need with a starship anyway? (I'm disappointed that no one has said this yet. Tsk.)
Bottom line: the fact that some aspects of the ship are not that useful to you, doesn't mean that the ship is useless. Perhaps it's just not the right ship for you then.
There's a builds sub forum here where you can get that sorted out.
There's also an STO Builds Reddit which can help you get that sorted out really well too.
Both of those are probably going to be somewhat more focused and helpful for you if you're looking to unlock the power of your new ship. There's a lot of great help and advice from folks there.
I highly recommend giving one of those a try. It's helped me a ton on improving performance on ships for a lot of my alts.
This is a very good assessment of this ship. Just one ISA and I was able to pull about the same DPS as I can in a Baltim, Tadaari, etc. That run included three 100k+ pilots and two of us did over 100k and the other did 90k. If the three of us weren't canabalizing each others dps, each of us could have done more. This ship isn't a "top tier DPS" ship, but it's still pretty damn good, especially for a freebie. The combination of 5 Tactical consoles, 4/3 weapon setup and being able to easily put in OSS3, is pretty potent.
Personally I don't like HECs, finding them to be the opposite of sweet spot in the trade-offs - too fragile for ships that isn't built for zooming around.
Most ship specific consoles suck, and most starship traits aren't great either.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Vorgon_Xyfius_Heavy_Escort
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Eclipse_Intel_Cruiser
- The hill points is 40.5k at level 50 and ends up at 47k when you are level 60. In comparison the T6 Phantom Intel Escort has 31.35k hull points at level 50 and 38k at level 60. That is a pretty decent increase in hull points so I think that would qualify as a heavy escort.
- The shield modifier of 1 is better than 0.9 that the Phantom Intel Escort has so, that is pretty decent.
- With a 4/3 weapon load out it pretty standard for any escort in the game. For the uninitiated, the Bird of Prey starships are raiders so they only have a 4/2 weapon load out, but they do get the flanking damage bonus.
- Bridge Officer slots in the Xyfius Heavy Escort is okay. It is not as flexible as the Phantom Intel Escort though since the Xyfius only has a Lt. Cmdr station that is Universal / Intelligence. The Phantom on the other hand has a Cmdr Tactical / Intelligence station, a Lieutenant Science / Intelligence and an ensign Universal station. But overall 5 Boff stations is standard for escorts.
- The Xyfius has 11 consoles vs. only 10 consoles for the Phantom. That means the Xyfius is considered to be a fleet level Tier 6 starship. The Xyfius has 5 tactical console slots which is pretty standard for an escort. And 2 science console slots also seems to be pretty standard for most escorts. However, 4 engineering console slots means an extra resistance console can be used to increase "tankiness", but there are diminishing returns when use more than one armor console.
- Only two device slots. Meh, seem standard.
- The Xyfius has a turn rate of 15 vs a turn rate of 17 that the Phantom has. That is acceptable since the Xyfius is considered to be a Heavy Escort so it seems to be a good trade off for having better hull strength. A turn rate of 15 is still good, and if boosted up high enough the ship should be able to use Dual Heavy Cannons. If not then Dual Beam Banks is definitely the way to go.
- The Impulse rating is 0.20 for the Xyfius and 0.22 for the Phantom. I think that is acceptable considering the Xyfius is a Heavy Escort.
- The Xyfius' Inertia Rating of 60 is definitely not as high as the Phantom's 75. I think it would have been better if it was 65 instead, however, I need to fly the ship to determine if 60 is "bad".
- Bonus Power for the Xyfius is +15 Weapons and +5 Engines compared to +10 Weapons and +10 Engines for the Phantom. Personally, I would have like it if the Xyfius has the same bonus as the Phantom. Yes, more power to weapons means more damage, but with only +5 power to Engines, the Xyfius will not fly as fast as the Phantom, then again it is a Heavy Escort.
Overall, in my opinion just based on the stats, the Xyfius looks like a good ship to me for a Heavy Escort... especially since it is a free starship which probably only took me around 50 - 75 minutes to do all the necessary Flying High dailies to get the ship. I will probably have my Fed Tactical captain fly this ship. Based on my playing habits, I only tend to only use C-Store ship and collect event ships. The exceptions are my KDF and Romulan Science captains due to the lack of as faction specific science ship. Those captains have flown "alien" ships in the past; my Romulan Science captain is currently flying the Krenim Science ship (2016 Anniversary), and my KDF science captain is flying the T6 Kor BoP with a heavy focus on science. However, once the T6 Eternal science ship is released, then both can fly a T6 science ship from the C-Store... even though the Eternal is not a faction specific ship.
I might also fly the Xyfius with my secondary KDF Tactical captain, but definitely not my primary KDF Tactical captain and not my Romulan Tactical captain either. Due to the Xyfius' Harasser Probe console giving +25% to Tetryon damage (and +8% Critical Severity), I guess I will have to craft Tetryon weapons to get the best potential out of the ship... However, on my secondary STO that is strictly "free to play", I will definitely give this ship a whirl with my KDF engineer and I might as well create a AoY Fed Tactical captain later is week.