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"T6" Vorgan ship is a joke`

I know I complain a lot but OMG this ship is the WORST! I call lie on it being T6, it fails in DPS, support, and durability. Only seven weapons so it's not gonna be DPS, doesn't have enough for full support unless maybe you have Intel maxed. And it has the durability of an escort. This thing performs more like a base T5 than anything resembling a T6. This was a pathetic prize.

Here is a suggestion that I think everyone can get behind. During the summer event, allow players to que up ANY of the summer ships that have been released. This allows players to choose which ship to go for and gives newer players a chance at older ships they might want. And there is zero downside! Great, huh? Please make it happen next year.

And next time you make a prize ship, either label it right or try harder to make it competitive with other ships in its class.
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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    I have not tried the ship yet, but really? All escorts basically have 4 fore and 3 aft weapons. The 5-2 load out is an exception for some ships, 4-3 has always been the standard for escorts. And of course it has the same durability as an escort: that's because it is an escort.

    Next time you complain about a basically free ship, at least take some time to read into the thing you're complaining about.

    Oh and edit: it has 11 console slots. So it is a T6 ship.
  • captsolcaptsol Member Posts: 921 Arc User
    risian4 wrote: »
    I have not tried the ship yet, but really? All escorts basically have 4 fore and 3 aft weapons. The 5-2 load out is an exception for some ships, 4-3 has always been the standard for escorts. And of course it has the same durability as an escort: that's becase it is an escort.

    Next time you complain about a basically free ship, at least take some time to read into the thing you're complaining about.

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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    sounds more like a case of needing to learn how to use it.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    Or at least make the older ships available through the Lobi Store. Either by selling them directly or through Lohlunat Prize Vouchers. The Risian Corvette would be available by doing a project that requires 1000 Lohlunat Prize Vouchers (2013) or 600 Lobi. The Risian Luxury Cruiser would be available by doing a project that requires 1000 Lohlunat Prize Vouchers (2014) or 600 Lobi. The Ferengi Nandi Warship would be available by doing a project that requires 1000 Lohlunat Prize Vouchers (2015) or 700 Lobi. The prices are based on the cost of the Dyson Science Destroyer which was an anniversary ship until it was put in the Lobi Store and the original price. Since Tier 6 ships cost 100 Lobi more than the Tier 5 ships, then the Nandi Warship should cost 100 Lobi more than the other Summer Event ships provided that they directly sell them to us instead of requiring a project.

    Of course, letting us be able to grind for them by doing the race and putting Lohlunat Prize Vouchers (2013), Lohlunat Prize Vouchers (2014), and Lohlunat Prize Vouchers (2015) in the Lobi Store would be the best solution for us.
  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    You were expecting Cryptic to just give you a GodShip?

    A competant Captain can be successful in any size ship. Especially on Normal. Against NPCs in this game.

    You were expecting to just pull up and park next to a Tactical Cube and fire just the one volley?

    No matter how good a ship is or how much power it has, some people will always find a way to lose spectacularly with it.

    But it is never ever their fault, is it?
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,476 Arc User
    Escorts are supposed to be about the spike damage - you swoop in, firing all the way, then peel away and set up for another run. (In a less aggressively pacifistic organization than Starfleet, they'd be called "destroyers".) That's why most of the weapons are forward, and the turn ratio is so tight. If you're trying to tank and do prolonged damage in your Escort, you're doing it wrong, and might want to consider getting a Cruiser (and loading it up with RCS Accelerator consoles).​​
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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    Is there a Godship in this game?
  • garaks31garaks31 Member Posts: 2,845 Arc User
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  • kamuii2kamuii2 Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    I call lie on it being T6, it fails in DPS, support, and durability.

    Someone needs to learn how to fly escorts and upgrade their gear.

  • kamuii2kamuii2 Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    The Nandi is one amazingly tight turning cruiser.

    Its a Destroyer. Look at the masteries.

  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    So many assumptions about me in the thread. First off, pardon me for thinking a T6 needs a power advantage and not just 11 consoles and a hybrid Boff slot. Lemme explain in more detail.

    First, though, yes, I was wrong to point out the seven weapon setup, and I concede that point, BUT...

    1. The mastery trait is useless, barely has any impact at all, and this is one of the things you are supposed to get with a non-fleet T6.

    2. The console that comes with it has a Tetryon focus. This will NEVER be a thing for DPS, which one would assume the ship is designed for. Console also has little to no impact in combat.

    3. It can't compete with my T6 Dreadnought at all. Not in DPS, not in utility, and not in durability. I can fly escorts just fine, I have a 60 Klingon I rip stuff apart with, so I can fly an escort.

    So unless y'all can point out a special trait of destroyers over normal escorts, you're really talking ****. I didn't expect a godship, but it doesn't even hold up to the Ferengi Nandi from last year, and ships are more advanced now. It doesn't compare at all with any other T6. Maybe with a high T5, maybe a T5-U if you have Intel maxed, but there you have it.

    You wanna know my BIGGEST complaint? Dishonesty. This ship may technically be a T6, but doesn't have anywhere near the power of one.

    1: That's a matter of opinion. And I know plenty of ships with traits that don't add much to my play style. That doesn't make them 'useless' though.
    2: Who cares about ship-specific consoles anyway? You can always remove it and replace it with that one AP or Plasma console from previous lock boxes if you don't like it.
    3: Do you have your weapon power maxed out on this new ship? :D
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    I just took it through a few red alerts and the thing tore up anything I fought.

    I'm not going to try and say it's the most powerful ship in the game, because of course it's not. It's a freebie ship and it's plenty powerful for what it is. If they made the free ship the 'be all end all' then why would anyone buy ships?

    OP, it's not the ship for you, so just forget about it. You already said you have a better ship, so just use your better ship. It's not like you're out anything, you didn't pay for the new ship, just take your admiralty card and call it a day. I won't say you're a 'bad player' but I will tell you that the ship is much better then you make it out to be. It's not a good ship 'for you.' It doesn't fit your style, whatever it is you do, this ship does not accommodate it.. fine. But it's far from being a bad ship, for a 'freebie' it's actually pretty potent. It's a little on the soft side, but it's an escort... so no surprise there.

    In the end, it's exactly what it's advertised to be. I'm not sure why you expected so much from a free ship.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    So many assumptions about me in the thread. First off, pardon me for thinking a T6 needs a power advantage and not just 11 consoles and a hybrid Boff slot. Lemme explain in more detail.

    First, though, yes, I was wrong to point out the seven weapon setup, and I concede that point, BUT...
    1. The mastery trait is useless, barely has any impact at all, and this is one of the things you are supposed to get with a non-fleet T6.
    Well, it's not like all mastery traits are awesome and must haves.
    2. The console that comes with it has a Tetryon focus. This will NEVER be a thing for DPS, which one would assume the ship is designed for. Console also has little to no impact in combat.
    If you want to be top DPSer, why are you not flying a Scimitar? If you don't want to be at the top, why do you care about energy type? Energy type is primarily a fluff choice, the damage differences are irrelevant even at Elite difficulty.
    3. You wanna know my BIGGEST complaint? Dishonesty. This ship may technically be a T6, but doesn't have anywhere near the power of one.
    I think you don't understand what Tier 6 means. It means an extra bridge officer slot compared to a Tier 5 ship and an extra console slot compared to a Tier 5 Fleet ship, and having at least one hybrid specialization seat. That's pretty much all of it. There might also be another 5 points of extra power in the deal, but I am not sure if that's always the case.

    Fly any regular Escort like the Tier 6 Tactical Escort, the Tier 6 Advanced Escort, the Tier 6 Heavy Escort or the Tier 6 Phantom Escort, and you realize they are pretty similar in performance.
    Biggest plus compared to the Tier 6 Tactical for example - this ship can use override subsystem safeties and gravity well.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    It's... an escort/destroyer. If you've flown one you've flown them all.​​
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    3. It can't compete with my T6 Dreadnought

    Okay, I see the problem. You set the bar unfairly high by comparing it to one of the dominating ships in the game.

    Put simply, not every ship that comes out is going to be a top contender, nor does it necessarily have to be.

    It's also still quite possible that you haven't found the Xyfius' niche, or perhaps more likely, the Xyvfius' niche isn't the style that suits you. So again we cycle back to you being a crybaby.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    There's nothing wrong with the ship at all. I'm not saying it's an awe-inspiring ship but one can cut through the laughable content of this game with anything. And it's a FREE T6 ship. Talk about thankless.
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    Is there a Godship in this game?
    Of course. Remember that T1 Miranda you got way back when? Why do you think CBS keeps saying no to a T6 version?
    Because they screwed up and already have one horrifically OP ship in the game. That T1 Miranda with you at the controls is an unstoppable killing machine. lol

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  • jtoney3448jtoney3448 Member Posts: 642 Arc User
    Well if anyone thinks they can explain how I can be a god of destruction in a T5 bird of prey or T6 dreadnought, and good with a Nandi, but unable to do well in this destroyer, please enlighten me, totes serious. My OP was my true opinion of the ship, that is performs like a T5.

    I didn't know that the only thing you needed to be a T6 was an extra console and hybrid Boff slot. Means a T6 can be deceptively weak, and now I know.

    I hope they at least take the suggestion to make previous ships available through the event. I would love to collect the stuff I missed when I wasn't playing the game.

    I think there is your problem you believe your a god in those ships....
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    Well if anyone thinks they can explain how I can be a god of destruction in a T5 bird of prey or T6 dreadnought, and good with a Nandi, but unable to do well in this destroyer, please enlighten me, totes serious. My OP was my true opinion of the ship, that is performs like a T5.

    I didn't know that the only thing you needed to be a T6 was an extra console and hybrid Boff slot. Means a T6 can be deceptively weak, and now I know.

    I hope they at least take the suggestion to make previous ships available through the event. I would love to collect the stuff I missed when I wasn't playing the game.

    It's a fairly typical Escort. One that has up to LtCmdr Intel on it. HMM, I DUNNO WHAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO WITH LTCMDR INTEL.

    Maybe if you build a ship up on your own and understand the how's and why's and not rely on someone else's template or instructions, then you'd know what to do with the ship. Because if you know how to build up a ship from the ground up, you know how to make any of them work fine.

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    LtCmdr UNIV / Intel

    It's an extremely solid, flexible BOFF layout with the best Spec access in the game (Intel). You could put the Universal/Intel into any aspect and not be leaving a gaping hole in core BOFF abilities anywhere. How the f--- do you not make the ship a performer, that's all on you.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    Sounds like pilot error to me.
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