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Which Enterprise is stronger?
ktonof1aq
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This is NOT a hate thread.
Just out of curiosity, which USS Enterprise is stronger? The TOS Enterprise is older that Kelvin Timeline's (hereafter KT) which is both good and bad. KT's Enterprise is bigger (if I understand correctly) and I love the phasers on it but it does seem to get destroyed or is inoperable in every movie. Let's also not forget that KT Enterprise doesn't even fire once in the second movie.
So...do you also have to take into account experience? Definitely. But that spins into a whole nother thread and some JJ hate which I'd like to avoid so let's stick to thoughts on the two ships.
Question: Which USS Enterprise, TOS or KT, is stronger?
Just out of curiosity, which USS Enterprise is stronger? The TOS Enterprise is older that Kelvin Timeline's (hereafter KT) which is both good and bad. KT's Enterprise is bigger (if I understand correctly) and I love the phasers on it but it does seem to get destroyed or is inoperable in every movie. Let's also not forget that KT Enterprise doesn't even fire once in the second movie.
So...do you also have to take into account experience? Definitely. But that spins into a whole nother thread and some JJ hate which I'd like to avoid so let's stick to thoughts on the two ships.
Question: Which USS Enterprise, TOS or KT, is stronger?
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You're having just too much fun with the KT announcement. Stop it immediately, only complaints and tears allowed on the forums.
I'm out.
Literally all Enterprises blow up.
Granted, we know it gets destroyed by a weird swarm of kamikaze ships in Beyond, but that's also not a straight up fight against an equal foe.
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If you're talking game terms, then we're gonna see a T1 $5 store ship vs. a T6 lockbox grand prize. If you use the gear they come pre-loaded with, it's gonna be a one-sided massacre. Assuming the KT captain isn't AFK rolling around in their bunk with an Orion
I will say this much to the posed question. One finished its five year mission(s), saved the Federation dozens of times, and had at least half-way compotent captains, the other ship was filmed by JJ Abrams.
This thread is turning out much more thoughtful than it has any right to be
They specifically call it the Kelvin timeline because the attack on the U.S.S. Kelvin is the central point of divergence. I dunno why you think it makes it sound like it's not in both, as that is in fact the opposite case.
"Kelvin Timeline" can be confused with the Kelvin race from Andromeda Galaxy, and the ship was in both timelines, the real differentiation would have been the Naradas incursion into the past (why not just call it the Narada Incursion Timeline?), as to where "reboot timeline" or "alternate timeline" is the most obvious description of the JJ Abrahms universe.
Those are the Kelvans. A small difference, yes, and possibly confusing, considering their similarities in spelling.
Nevertheless, "Kelvin Timeline" is reportedly the official name for the phenomenon, per a Tweet from Al Rivera and handed down from CBS.
And it isn't the "Kelvin timeline" one - that one's just being refit with repairs all the dang time...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
It really comes down to the skill of the crew flying her.
IF we give her the same crew: Then it would come down to tech. AR Connie has an edge thanks to the reverse engineered 24th century tech from Narada's scan data. HOWEVER... it is at most maybe only a boost up to late 23rd Century as opposed to the mid 23rd that the TOS Enterprise is at. So it would be technically like a fight between a standard and a late refit (Enterprise-A). At the latest, I would put the AR Connie's tech at turn of the century early 24th.
AR Connie has the rapid fire pulse phasers, and has been shown to fire at least 3 banks forward. Dorsal forward, port and starboard. Potentially 6 if we consider the possibility of ventral mounts as well, although I don't remember seeing any ventral mounts. The TOS Connie was never shown firing more than one bank at a time. While I don't doubt she COULD, the issue comes up that the TOS Connie's phasers are not ball turret style. They're set into the hull so their field of fire is more restricted.
I'd have to say AR Connie would edge out a TOS Connie when we consider these aspects.
*Braces for impact*
Wow. I have no idea how you managed to mis-spell Vengeance that badly. :P
Stupid auto correct.
Yeah, I'd go with the one that's ~14 times more massive; all things being equal/unknowable.
(Note: had to use "NSDAP", as the forums censor the more common abbreviation.)
"central point of divergence" I don't think so. Way too many things are different in that universe to just be caused by 1 ship coming over from 'the future'; more like a different reality.
That is the actual, literal explanation. Cold hard facts.
Up until the Narada's attack on the Kelvin, both universes were precisely the same; literally, the same in fact.
That's why Scotty mentions Archer later on in the first reboot movie, for example.
The changes didn't take place until the timeline was altered at that moment.
Since, you know, the Narada didn't just "come over", but destroyed the ship Kirk's dad was on, thus not only altering his personal timeline, but sending ripple effects out from that moment forward by its mere actions and existence.