Regardless of the fanbase's admittedly mixed view of the Kelvin timeline, I think this was the next logical move for the game. There are a lot of ENT and VOY haters out there, but there is plenty of ENT and VOY-themed stuff in this game, and if Cryptic turned a profit by introducing it, it stands to reason that there are also people who enjoy ENT and VOY.
And while there are many JJ haters on these forums, there are also JJ fans here (myself included) that would quite possibly pay out the nose to get a Vengeance or a "JJ-Prise."
And maybe the "T6 Connie" crowd will finally shut up! Wouldn't that be something?
No, I won't shut up. JJ Spoof Ship is not a Connie or Connie Refit. I will still want a Connie Refit in T6. And I won't settle for something to be hauled away as garbage.
It seems highly unlikely that you're going to see a straight T6 version of a two-hundred-year-old design. That'd be like taking Old Ironsides out of mothballs, refurbishing her with some modern guns, and putting her on the front lines of the current US Navy.
Therefore, I'd recommend you pull that stick out (it must make sitting down uncomfortable, no?), and learn to enjoy things for what they are, rather than hating them for what they're not.
whats wrong with mk-1 eyeball and iron sights? the design has worked well for a long time and there are still people who use those weapons with ironsights in regular army even 200 years after the invention on rifles, shotguns and such and even with scopes on the market, iron sights are still a common sight.
Iron sights are only a "common sight" in arenas where the latest tech isn't necessary for survival. You're not going to find, say, a modern battlefield sniper trying to drop an enemy from better than a kilometer away using iron sights. And if you disregard the targeting computer aboard your M1A1, you're not going to get many hits with the main gun (but you will get an epic chewing-out back at base).
At sea or in the air, it's even worse - you're usually firing at targets that aren't even visible to the naked eye. Modern jet fighters carry guns onboard only as last-ditch weapons (if the enemy is on your side of the horizon, you've already failed at your job; dogfights aren't really a thing any more). Note particularly that in the latest generations, the F-22 Raptor carries 4.8 seconds worth of rounds for the onboard cannon, and of the three models of F-35, only the F-35A is slated to have guns at all. We use missiles these days. (And even the cannon on old F-15s, -16s, and -18s are slaved to the targeting computer.)
The sailing ship USS Constitution would last until the first time the enemy targeted her. Then she'd be splinters. And something similar would happen if you foolishly insisted on taking your old Constitution-class cruiser up against a Voth Bulwark-class - even if you swap out the old phasers for the very latest in antiproton/tetryon arrays.
i expected you to take to the specific type of gun rather than the whole group of hand held weapons in general. try again.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Regardless of the fanbase's admittedly mixed view of the Kelvin timeline, I think this was the next logical move for the game. There are a lot of ENT and VOY haters out there, but there is plenty of ENT and VOY-themed stuff in this game, and if Cryptic turned a profit by introducing it, it stands to reason that there are also people who enjoy ENT and VOY.
And while there are many JJ haters on these forums, there are also JJ fans here (myself included) that would quite possibly pay out the nose to get a Vengeance or a "JJ-Prise."
And maybe the "T6 Connie" crowd will finally shut up! Wouldn't that be something?
No, I won't shut up. JJ Spoof Ship is not a Connie or Connie Refit. I will still want a Connie Refit in T6. And I won't settle for something to be hauled away as garbage.
It seems highly unlikely that you're going to see a straight T6 version of a two-hundred-year-old design. That'd be like taking Old Ironsides out of mothballs, refurbishing her with some modern guns, and putting her on the front lines of the current US Navy.
Therefore, I'd recommend you pull that stick out (it must make sitting down uncomfortable, no?), and learn to enjoy things for what they are, rather than hating them for what they're not.
whats wrong with mk-1 eyeball and iron sights? the design has worked well for a long time and there are still people who use those weapons with ironsights in regular army even 200 years after the invention on rifles, shotguns and such and even with scopes on the market, iron sights are still a common sight.
Iron sights are only a "common sight" in arenas where the latest tech isn't necessary for survival. You're not going to find, say, a modern battlefield sniper trying to drop an enemy from better than a kilometer away using iron sights. And if you disregard the targeting computer aboard your M1A1, you're not going to get many hits with the main gun (but you will get an epic chewing-out back at base).
At sea or in the air, it's even worse - you're usually firing at targets that aren't even visible to the naked eye. Modern jet fighters carry guns onboard only as last-ditch weapons (if the enemy is on your side of the horizon, you've already failed at your job; dogfights aren't really a thing any more). Note particularly that in the latest generations, the F-22 Raptor carries 4.8 seconds worth of rounds for the onboard cannon, and of the three models of F-35, only the F-35A is slated to have guns at all. We use missiles these days. (And even the cannon on old F-15s, -16s, and -18s are slaved to the targeting computer.)
The sailing ship USS Constitution would last until the first time the enemy targeted her. Then she'd be splinters. And something similar would happen if you foolishly insisted on taking your old Constitution-class cruiser up against a Voth Bulwark-class - even if you swap out the old phasers for the very latest in antiproton/tetryon arrays.
Or also the USS Monitor and the CSS Virginia. At the time, they were almost invulnerable to cannon fire. But modern guns would make short work of them.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
Actually the cannon that the Monitor was using actually DID have the power to punch holes in the hull of Merrimack. But their crews weren't trained on how to use them right and were firing them with the same (smaller) powder charge that other cannons used. IF they'd used the right size powder charges Merrimack would have been toast.
But Monitor's design was fundamentally flawed, hence why no one ever built another. It had a nearly non-existent water line. It took on water even in calm seas and had to run the bilge pumps constantly. Thus it wasn't truely seaworthy. It sank in a relatively weak storm.
Merrimack wasn't a purpose built steam ship, the boilers and screws just didn't fit right. It was a half-baked retrofit that took a small wooden warship and added armor plate. It was not fast enough to be useful for most things. It'd have probably been best used as a siege engine.
Both were experimental prototypes using untested technologies. IF they were rebuilt using modern materials those design deficiencies could be addressed. But... that's more or less building a modern ship in the shape of the old ship.
Regardless of the fanbase's admittedly mixed view of the Kelvin timeline, I think this was the next logical move for the game. There are a lot of ENT and VOY haters out there, but there is plenty of ENT and VOY-themed stuff in this game, and if Cryptic turned a profit by introducing it, it stands to reason that there are also people who enjoy ENT and VOY.
And while there are many JJ haters on these forums, there are also JJ fans here (myself included) that would quite possibly pay out the nose to get a Vengeance or a "JJ-Prise."
And maybe the "T6 Connie" crowd will finally shut up! Wouldn't that be something?
No, I won't shut up. JJ Spoof Ship is not a Connie or Connie Refit. I will still want a Connie Refit in T6. And I won't settle for something to be hauled away as garbage.
It seems highly unlikely that you're going to see a straight T6 version of a two-hundred-year-old design. That'd be like taking Old Ironsides out of mothballs, refurbishing her with some modern guns, and putting her on the front lines of the current US Navy.
Therefore, I'd recommend you pull that stick out (it must make sitting down uncomfortable, no?), and learn to enjoy things for what they are, rather than hating them for what they're not.
whats wrong with mk-1 eyeball and iron sights? the design has worked well for a long time and there are still people who use those weapons with ironsights in regular army even 200 years after the invention on rifles, shotguns and such and even with scopes on the market, iron sights are still a common sight.
Iron sights are only a "common sight" in arenas where the latest tech isn't necessary for survival. You're not going to find, say, a modern battlefield sniper trying to drop an enemy from better than a kilometer away using iron sights. And if you disregard the targeting computer aboard your M1A1, you're not going to get many hits with the main gun (but you will get an epic chewing-out back at base).
At sea or in the air, it's even worse - you're usually firing at targets that aren't even visible to the naked eye. Modern jet fighters carry guns onboard only as last-ditch weapons (if the enemy is on your side of the horizon, you've already failed at your job; dogfights aren't really a thing any more). Note particularly that in the latest generations, the F-22 Raptor carries 4.8 seconds worth of rounds for the onboard cannon, and of the three models of F-35, only the F-35A is slated to have guns at all. We use missiles these days. (And even the cannon on old F-15s, -16s, and -18s are slaved to the targeting computer.)
The sailing ship USS Constitution would last until the first time the enemy targeted her. Then she'd be splinters. And something similar would happen if you foolishly insisted on taking your old Constitution-class cruiser up against a Voth Bulwark-class - even if you swap out the old phasers for the very latest in antiproton/tetryon arrays.
i expected you to take to the specific type of gun rather than the whole group of hand held weapons in general. try again.
Hand weapons? We're discussing the (rather silly) idea of using a 23rd-century ship of the line as a top-end battleship in the 25th century. Hand weapons don't even enter into it - if you're good enough at working the bolt, you could easily take out an average 25th-century away team with a 20th-century .30-06 rifle. What's that have to do with ships?
The sailing ship USS Constitution would last until the first time the enemy targeted her. Then she'd be splinters. And something similar would happen if you foolishly insisted on taking your old Constitution-class cruiser up against a Voth Bulwark-class - even if you swap out the old phasers for the very latest in antiproton/tetryon arrays.
We're discussing the (rather silly) idea of using a 23rd-century ship of the line as a top-end battleship in the 25th century.
In a real world, this argument makes sense, but we're not in the real world. This argument is already invalidated by existing game content.
NX class taking out an entire fleet of "modern" warships barely getting scratched - years back BEFORE today's massive power creep mad dash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMAL4PaJsSQ
And those ships may well be crewed by kitty cats who hunt laser-wielding dinosaurs in their spare time. "Silly" doesn't discount it from being entirely possible by the game's existing mechanics.
What metalstickman said. And the T1 Connie has the same capabilities as the T1 NX - somewhat stronger in some respects, even, probably due to its being a more advanced design by a century.
Neither one is a top-of-the-line T6, even with refits. Polishing the hull plating isn't going to make an authentic Constitution-class anyone's first choice against the Vaadwaur, or the Voth, or the Iconians, or...
It's specifically stated that that "NX-class" is a replica. The real NX is literally in a museum.
What's your point? So the "T6 Constitution" is a replica, too, or a mirror universe version, or the Prophets displaced and empowered it, or an Iconian Trojan horse, or...
Personally, I don't care one way or the other, never liked any version of the Constitution myself - too old and dated for my tastes. For those who want it, though, just saying it can't happen because "it doesn't make sense" isn't an argument that works in video game world. It makes as much sense as my Garfield character running around shooting laser-dinos with his army of gingerbread men and snowcones, or using candy canes to beat up assimilated demon snowmen (or whatever they are).
If it really bugs you, "Q did it, just for the lulz."
Way I see it. I'm sure the JJ ships will come out for T6. So why not the Connie and Connie Refit as well. How those ships any different? Date wise in Trek, they all are over 200 years old, and shouldn't be T6. But wait and see, you will see them at T6 specially the JJ stuff. So the time is now for Connie at T6!
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
That's because the "JJ stuff" is from a timeline whose technology accelerated at a much higher rate than it did in the Prime Universe. It's technically 160 years old to people in 2410, but it is far more advanced than what the Prime Universe had during the same time period.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
That's because the "JJ stuff" is from a timeline whose technology accelerated at a much higher rate than it did in the Prime Universe. It's technically 160 years old to people in 2410, but it is far more advanced than what the Prime Universe had during the same time period.
Yeah a brewery is more advance than an actual warp core? A parking brake for space? They wasn't as advanced at all, I would say more primitive. Still its old stuff. Spoof trek is what it is. A joke series for Trek.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
That's because the "JJ stuff" is from a timeline whose technology accelerated at a much higher rate than it did in the Prime Universe. It's technically 160 years old to people in 2410, but it is far more advanced than what the Prime Universe had during the same time period.
Yeah a brewery is more advance than an actual warp core? A parking brake for space? They wasn't as advanced at all, I would say more primitive. Still its old stuff. Spoof trek is what it is. A joke series for Trek.
Because either way, the point holds little importance
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
That's because the "JJ stuff" is from a timeline whose technology accelerated at a much higher rate than it did in the Prime Universe. It's technically 160 years old to people in 2410, but it is far more advanced than what the Prime Universe had during the same time period.
Yeah a brewery is more advance than an actual warp core? A parking brake for space? They wasn't as advanced at all, I would say more primitive. Still its old stuff. Spoof trek is what it is. A joke series for Trek.
There is a warp core in the KTerprise. The brewery is just for Scotty's scotch. The parking brake... well, I won't make a joke about that.
the parking brake is to prevent a starship from falling down a planet's gravity well and pinning something between the ship and the ground...at least the enterprise's isn't designed to move without user input
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
it wasn't a joke; i was deadly serious - and i hope his family sues the moron who decided to design a parking brake to such an extent that the entire model was recently recalled
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
it wasn't a joke; i was deadly serious - and i hope his family sues the moron who decided to design a parking brake to such an extent that the entire model was recently recalled
He didn't use the parking brake...
The tranny slipped out of PARK into Neutral, even though they found the shift in PARK where he left it.
That's the recall they are talking about on his model of Jeep.
<sadface>
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
That's because the "JJ stuff" is from a timeline whose technology accelerated at a much higher rate than it did in the Prime Universe. It's technically 160 years old to people in 2410, but it is far more advanced than what the Prime Universe had during the same time period.
Yeah a brewery is more advance than an actual warp core? A parking brake for space? They wasn't as advanced at all, I would say more primitive. Still its old stuff. Spoof trek is what it is. A joke series for Trek.
There is a warp core in the KTerprise. The brewery is just for Scotty's scotch. The parking brake... well, I won't make a joke about that.
That is why he wanted to beam inside of it. So swim himself drunk. Nothing wrong about swimming in your own brew.
After the parking brake issue. They decided instead to install anchors with a chain system. As the Anchor is more advanced.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Correct, that wasn't an actual, literal parking brake. It was simply a piece of equipment Sulu forgot to disengage. Poor guy, kind of a rookie mistake caused by nerves.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Comments
i expected you to take to the specific type of gun rather than the whole group of hand held weapons in general. try again.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Or also the USS Monitor and the CSS Virginia. At the time, they were almost invulnerable to cannon fire. But modern guns would make short work of them.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
But Monitor's design was fundamentally flawed, hence why no one ever built another. It had a nearly non-existent water line. It took on water even in calm seas and had to run the bilge pumps constantly. Thus it wasn't truely seaworthy. It sank in a relatively weak storm.
Merrimack wasn't a purpose built steam ship, the boilers and screws just didn't fit right. It was a half-baked retrofit that took a small wooden warship and added armor plate. It was not fast enough to be useful for most things. It'd have probably been best used as a siege engine.
Both were experimental prototypes using untested technologies. IF they were rebuilt using modern materials those design deficiencies could be addressed. But... that's more or less building a modern ship in the shape of the old ship.
My character Tsin'xing
In a real world, this argument makes sense, but we're not in the real world. This argument is already invalidated by existing game content.
NX class taking out an entire fleet of "modern" warships barely getting scratched - years back BEFORE today's massive power creep mad dash:
NX class fighting the Crystalline Entity:
And those ships may well be crewed by kitty cats who hunt laser-wielding dinosaurs in their spare time. "Silly" doesn't discount it from being entirely possible by the game's existing mechanics.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Neither one is a top-of-the-line T6, even with refits. Polishing the hull plating isn't going to make an authentic Constitution-class anyone's first choice against the Vaadwaur, or the Voth, or the Iconians, or...
What's your point? So the "T6 Constitution" is a replica, too, or a mirror universe version, or the Prophets displaced and empowered it, or an Iconian Trojan horse, or...
Personally, I don't care one way or the other, never liked any version of the Constitution myself - too old and dated for my tastes. For those who want it, though, just saying it can't happen because "it doesn't make sense" isn't an argument that works in video game world. It makes as much sense as my Garfield character running around shooting laser-dinos with his army of gingerbread men and snowcones, or using candy canes to beat up assimilated demon snowmen (or whatever they are).
If it really bugs you, "Q did it, just for the lulz."
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Yeah a brewery is more advance than an actual warp core? A parking brake for space? They wasn't as advanced at all, I would say more primitive. Still its old stuff. Spoof trek is what it is. A joke series for Trek.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Because either way, the point holds little importance
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
My character Tsin'xing
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
it wasn't a joke; i was deadly serious - and i hope his family sues the moron who decided to design a parking brake to such an extent that the entire model was recently recalled
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
He didn't use the parking brake...
The tranny slipped out of PARK into Neutral, even though they found the shift in PARK where he left it.
That's the recall they are talking about on his model of Jeep.
<sadface>
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
That is why he wanted to beam inside of it. So swim himself drunk. Nothing wrong about swimming in your own brew.
After the parking brake issue. They decided instead to install anchors with a chain system. As the Anchor is more advanced.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion