The only reason they are releasing a mini expansion like this TOS garbage, is basically to force players to level up a new character, spend money to buy their new ships, spend money to upgrade the gear that they are going to need and to time gate them through ALL the reputations, all over again. Expanding things for our current characters would not yield them the type of profits that they need to recoup from the misguided adventure into a console client...
I will be happy knowing that I do not have to participate in or spend any money on this mini expansion. :-)
This seems inaccurate at best.
As proved last year by the Delta Recruiting event, they're more than happy to integrate whatever story reason into such a thing. This is vastly more substantial than last years event. Which added a few mission objectives and a lot of rewards to missions that already existed.
For the record this is a proper expansion more on par with Legacy of Romulus. All new content and opportunity to start a new character and in this case a new time period.
As for why it's "TOS garbage", it's obviously part of the celebration for the 50th anniversary of the series that brought us here. Why not go back to the beginning?
Ok so all of the species i mentioned have had lockbox ships released which if thats the negating factor on introducing these Species as independent factions then in hindsight it was a bad decision
Breen are actually the Winter Event. Dominion and Tholians have pretty much had their ENTIRE fleet given away in lockboxes. What Ferengi fleet as we've only ever seen one ship, and the Cryptic designed Nandi doesn't seem to be flying much these days. Cardassians, while an apparent fan favorite, had their most iconic ship in the first lockbox.
Sure new story lines and new ships. (Still waiting for the Tier 6 Sovereign and others). But how does a TOS ship from the 2260's fit into 2410 ?.
I'm saving up for the eventual T6 Sovereign myself. Gotta refit the Lexington again. As to a TOS ship in 2410... I guess we'll find out when the expansion goes live.
The interesting thing is that the Temporal Agent pack has ships that fit in in the 2260s and ships that look 26th century vintage, contemporaries of the Enterprise-J. In addition the Chekov and Scotty behind the scenes indicates it will also move into the tail end of the 23rd century as well. So we could be seeing up to three time periods.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
For the record this is a proper expansion more on par with Legacy of Romulus. All new content and opportunity to start a new character and in this case a new time period.
Well yes and no ... there are some new TOS-Missions ... 6 to be excact (basically LvL 1-10), but after that it's pretty much the same as "Delta Recruits" ... you're replaying the same old content from SS Azura to the Breen Storyline ... just as "Temporal Agent" ...
... if you expect something like LoR which at least allowed you to level up to ~30+, you're going to be disappointed ... my main concern here is that it seems kinda forced ... I would have been on board if you could've actually spend LvL 1-50 within the new TOS Era, flying TOS Ships, doing TOS Stuff etc etc ... but rescuing the Azura with a "Deadalus Ship-Skin", fighting the True Way with the "Gemini" etc ... meh
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
For the record this is a proper expansion more on par with Legacy of Romulus. All new content and opportunity to start a new character and in this case a new time period.
Well yes and no ... there are some new TOS-Missions ... 6 to be excact (basically LvL 1-10), but after that it's pretty much the same as "Delta Recruits" ... you're replaying the same old content from SS Azura to the Breen Storyline ... just as "Temporal Agent" ...
... if you expect something like LoR which at least allowed you to level up to ~30+, you're going to be disappointed ...
Yes because of COURSE they put everything on tribble at the same time *rollseyes*, they have barely begun to show us whats coming.
It's not so hard to actually read through the Story Description (on Tribble) ... you're going to be recruited as an Temporal Agent in Misson 6 followed by Misson 7 "Rescuing the Azura" ... so not sure where to put all this magical content in between ... not to mention you wouldn't need the "revamped"/"rewritten" Story-Arcs to level up, if there would be more TOS-Stuff on the horizon ... it's just common sense ... what would be the point in rewriting 40 Levels worth of content for Temporal Agents if they would've their own stuff ...
Sure there is going to be another Endgame-Story-Arc, new Reputation etc ... that's the stuff currently missing on Tribble, as for hypothetical TOS-Storylines ... highly unlikely ...
Besides Mission 3-6 are not even on Tribble yet ... currently just Placeholders ... so no they didn't put everything on Tribble yet ... they made it pretty clear what content you'll get as TOS/Temporal Agent Toon however ...
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Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
I've never been a fan of time travel, it just ruins stories and gives writers way too much leeway to make TRIBBLE up that shouldn't have been made up in the first place. If someone says "it'd be cool to ____, because time travel lets us do ____" Just slap them in the face and fire them.
I've never been a fan of prequels. Just continue the story line for Christ's sake!
Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
Obviously you've never read Andre Norton's Time Traders series, or Heinlein's multiple time travel stories. Time travel, and alternate timelines/parallel dimension stories are my favorite variety of sci-fi.
That's a weird thing to say. People can know the "good" variants of a storytelling device and still dislike it, after all
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
His statement was that time travel ruins stories, thus he denies the existence of good time travel stories, hence he must not have encountered these stories by some of the greatest masters of science fiction of all time.
Yes, I understand the reason why you said it but one can still dislike what you deem a masterpiece. It was just the way you phrased it that was a bit weird in that regard, that's all
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
To the person that mentioned that after these Missions at Level 10 we get thrown into the normal Arcs from Azura II to The Breen.
The May 12th Patch Notes on Tribble have the order of the Breen and Borg Story Arcs flipped for all Factions.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
For the record this is a proper expansion more on par with Legacy of Romulus. All new content and opportunity to start a new character and in this case a new time period.
Well yes and no ... there are some new TOS-Missions ... 6 to be excact (basically LvL 1-10), but after that it's pretty much the same as "Delta Recruits" ... you're replaying the same old content from SS Azura to the Breen Storyline ... just as "Temporal Agent" ...
... if you expect something like LoR which at least allowed you to level up to ~30+, you're going to be disappointed ... my main concern here is that it seems kinda forced ... I would have been on board if you could've actually spend LvL 1-50 within the new TOS Era, flying TOS Ships, doing TOS Stuff etc etc ... but rescuing the Azura with a "Deadalus Ship-Skin", fighting the True Way with the "Gemini" etc ... meh
For the record this is a proper expansion more on par with Legacy of Romulus. All new content and opportunity to start a new character and in this case a new time period.
Well yes and no ... there are some new TOS-Missions ... 6 to be excact (basically LvL 1-10), but after that it's pretty much the same as "Delta Recruits" ... you're replaying the same old content from SS Azura to the Breen Storyline ... just as "Temporal Agent" ...
... if you expect something like LoR which at least allowed you to level up to ~30+, you're going to be disappointed ...
Yes because of COURSE they put everything on tribble at the same time *rollseyes*, they have barely begun to show us whats coming.
For the record this is a proper expansion more on par with Legacy of Romulus. All new content and opportunity to start a new character and in this case a new time period.
Well yes and no ... there are some new TOS-Missions ... 6 to be excact (basically LvL 1-10), but after that it's pretty much the same as "Delta Recruits" ... you're replaying the same old content from SS Azura to the Breen Storyline ... just as "Temporal Agent" ...
... if you expect something like LoR which at least allowed you to level up to ~30+, you're going to be disappointed ...
Yes because of COURSE they put everything on tribble at the same time *rollseyes*, they have barely begun to show us whats coming.
It's not so hard to actually read through the Story Description (on Tribble) ... you're going to be recruited as an Temporal Agent in Misson 6 followed by Misson 7 "Rescuing the Azura" ... so not sure where to put all this magical content in between ... not to mention you wouldn't need the "revamped"/"rewritten" Story-Arcs to level up, if there would be more TOS-Stuff on the horizon ... it's just common sense ... what would be the point in rewriting 40 Levels worth of content for Temporal Agents if they would've their own stuff ...
Sure there is going to be another Endgame-Story-Arc, new Reputation etc ... that's the stuff currently missing on Tribble, as for hypothetical TOS-Storylines ... highly unlikely ...
Besides Mission 3-6 are not even on Tribble yet ... currently just Placeholders ... so no they didn't put everything on Tribble yet ... they made it pretty clear what content you'll get as TOS/Temporal Agent Toon however ...
I don't know which of you is correct. I haven't been gold in ages, so I can't go on Tribble myself.
There are two proper expansion packs thus far in this game, Delta Rising and Legacy of Romulus. Legacy was very very meaty, and even Delta Rising was quite substantial for all its flaws. I'm not the type of person to automatically assume absolute incompetence and malice from the developers, so unless this thing was rushed for the anniversary, which I doubt (we've know it was coming for fifty years after all) calling six episodes a bunch of ships, and a new recruiting event an expansion doesn't make much sense. But we'll see. I'll go check those Tribble patch notes.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
For the record this is a proper expansion more on par with Legacy of Romulus. All new content and opportunity to start a new character and in this case a new time period.
Well yes and no ... there are some new TOS-Missions ... 6 to be excact (basically LvL 1-10), but after that it's pretty much the same as "Delta Recruits" ... you're replaying the same old content from SS Azura to the Breen Storyline ... just as "Temporal Agent" ...
... if you expect something like LoR which at least allowed you to level up to ~30+, you're going to be disappointed ... my main concern here is that it seems kinda forced ... I would have been on board if you could've actually spend LvL 1-50 within the new TOS Era, flying TOS Ships, doing TOS Stuff etc etc ... but rescuing the Azura with a "Deadalus Ship-Skin", fighting the True Way with the "Gemini" etc ... meh
For the record this is a proper expansion more on par with Legacy of Romulus. All new content and opportunity to start a new character and in this case a new time period.
Well yes and no ... there are some new TOS-Missions ... 6 to be excact (basically LvL 1-10), but after that it's pretty much the same as "Delta Recruits" ... you're replaying the same old content from SS Azura to the Breen Storyline ... just as "Temporal Agent" ...
... if you expect something like LoR which at least allowed you to level up to ~30+, you're going to be disappointed ...
Yes because of COURSE they put everything on tribble at the same time *rollseyes*, they have barely begun to show us whats coming.
For the record this is a proper expansion more on par with Legacy of Romulus. All new content and opportunity to start a new character and in this case a new time period.
Well yes and no ... there are some new TOS-Missions ... 6 to be excact (basically LvL 1-10), but after that it's pretty much the same as "Delta Recruits" ... you're replaying the same old content from SS Azura to the Breen Storyline ... just as "Temporal Agent" ...
... if you expect something like LoR which at least allowed you to level up to ~30+, you're going to be disappointed ...
Yes because of COURSE they put everything on tribble at the same time *rollseyes*, they have barely begun to show us whats coming.
It's not so hard to actually read through the Story Description (on Tribble) ... you're going to be recruited as an Temporal Agent in Misson 6 followed by Misson 7 "Rescuing the Azura" ... so not sure where to put all this magical content in between ... not to mention you wouldn't need the "revamped"/"rewritten" Story-Arcs to level up, if there would be more TOS-Stuff on the horizon ... it's just common sense ... what would be the point in rewriting 40 Levels worth of content for Temporal Agents if they would've their own stuff ...
Sure there is going to be another Endgame-Story-Arc, new Reputation etc ... that's the stuff currently missing on Tribble, as for hypothetical TOS-Storylines ... highly unlikely ...
Besides Mission 3-6 are not even on Tribble yet ... currently just Placeholders ... so no they didn't put everything on Tribble yet ... they made it pretty clear what content you'll get as TOS/Temporal Agent Toon however ...
I don't know which of you is correct. I haven't been gold in ages, so I can't go on Tribble myself.
There are two proper expansion packs thus far in this game, Delta Rising and Legacy of Romulus. Legacy was very very meaty, and even Delta Rising was quite substantial for all its flaws. I'm not the type of person to automatically assume absolute incompetence and malice from the developers, so unless this thing was rushed for the anniversary, which I doubt (we've know it was coming for fifty years after all) calling six episodes a bunch of ships, and a new recruiting event an expansion doesn't make much sense. But we'll see. I'll go check those Tribble patch notes.
Don't forget though that there is also going to be an arc of episodes for all captains, not just TOS, set presumably after future proof but still with the temporal war theme. As such whether or not the new TOS faction arc is just six episodes or if some just are not listed on Tribble yet, there will definitely be more than six total for the expansion. And while the other arc might be cross faction, it will still probably have some special dialogue for TOS captains. Similar to how the cross faction Romulan arc, when played as a Romulan/Reman is a bit different than it is for a Fed or KDF. (Hakeev's overall dialogue and his execution scene for example. As well as the player's interactions with Obisek as a Reman.) Further, with a totally new 23rd century sector block, with its own map texture, and a TOS ESD I would not be surprised if some of that other arc's episodes took place in the 23rd century too. Otherwise why did Cryptic go to so much effort to make the new block so big and detailed. Also, it would be a way to allow all our current captains visit the new block, even if such a visit came with limitations, such as based on faction/era of origin. Either way I think there is still a lot for the blogs to reveal, and I for one am looking forward to them. July can't get here soon enough.
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As Zephram Cochrane once said, "That'll do, pig. That'll do." - April 1st 2015.
and even Delta Rising was quite substantial for all its flaws
DR Missions at Launch : ~10
current AoY Missions : ~6 (not mentioning additional Cross-Faction-Story-Arc)
so not sure what people would seriously expect from the new expansion, anyway ... best you can hope for is a bunch of TOS Patrols and maybe 1-2 new TOS-Missions being "squeezed in between" somewhere ... and yes of course the Cross-Faction-Story-Arc ...
PS : I'm happy to provide a Screenshot to show you how you're going to be recruited at "Lieutenant" - Level replaying the same old content as "Temporal Agent" ... everyone currently having access to Tribble, and being able to read should be able to understand this, unless they're trying to be oblivious on purpose ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
@thutmosis85 I think you have quoted me erroneously... twice
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
For the record this is a proper expansion more on par with Legacy of Romulus. All new content and opportunity to start a new character and in this case a new time period.
Well yes and no ... there are some new TOS-Missions ... 6 to be excact (basically LvL 1-10), but after that it's pretty much the same as "Delta Recruits" ... you're replaying the same old content from SS Azura to the Breen Storyline ... just as "Temporal Agent" ...
... if you expect something like LoR which at least allowed you to level up to ~30+, you're going to be disappointed ... my main concern here is that it seems kinda forced ... I would have been on board if you could've actually spend LvL 1-50 within the new TOS Era, flying TOS Ships, doing TOS Stuff etc etc ... but rescuing the Azura with a "Deadalus Ship-Skin", fighting the True Way with the "Gemini" etc ... meh
For the record this is a proper expansion more on par with Legacy of Romulus. All new content and opportunity to start a new character and in this case a new time period.
Well yes and no ... there are some new TOS-Missions ... 6 to be excact (basically LvL 1-10), but after that it's pretty much the same as "Delta Recruits" ... you're replaying the same old content from SS Azura to the Breen Storyline ... just as "Temporal Agent" ...
... if you expect something like LoR which at least allowed you to level up to ~30+, you're going to be disappointed ...
Yes because of COURSE they put everything on tribble at the same time *rollseyes*, they have barely begun to show us whats coming.
For the record this is a proper expansion more on par with Legacy of Romulus. All new content and opportunity to start a new character and in this case a new time period.
Well yes and no ... there are some new TOS-Missions ... 6 to be excact (basically LvL 1-10), but after that it's pretty much the same as "Delta Recruits" ... you're replaying the same old content from SS Azura to the Breen Storyline ... just as "Temporal Agent" ...
... if you expect something like LoR which at least allowed you to level up to ~30+, you're going to be disappointed ...
Yes because of COURSE they put everything on tribble at the same time *rollseyes*, they have barely begun to show us whats coming.
It's not so hard to actually read through the Story Description (on Tribble) ... you're going to be recruited as an Temporal Agent in Misson 6 followed by Misson 7 "Rescuing the Azura" ... so not sure where to put all this magical content in between ... not to mention you wouldn't need the "revamped"/"rewritten" Story-Arcs to level up, if there would be more TOS-Stuff on the horizon ... it's just common sense ... what would be the point in rewriting 40 Levels worth of content for Temporal Agents if they would've their own stuff ...
Sure there is going to be another Endgame-Story-Arc, new Reputation etc ... that's the stuff currently missing on Tribble, as for hypothetical TOS-Storylines ... highly unlikely ...
Besides Mission 3-6 are not even on Tribble yet ... currently just Placeholders ... so no they didn't put everything on Tribble yet ... they made it pretty clear what content you'll get as TOS/Temporal Agent Toon however ...
I don't know which of you is correct. I haven't been gold in ages, so I can't go on Tribble myself.
There are two proper expansion packs thus far in this game, Delta Rising and Legacy of Romulus. Legacy was very very meaty, and even Delta Rising was quite substantial for all its flaws. I'm not the type of person to automatically assume absolute incompetence and malice from the developers, so unless this thing was rushed for the anniversary, which I doubt (we've know it was coming for fifty years after all) calling six episodes a bunch of ships, and a new recruiting event an expansion doesn't make much sense. But we'll see. I'll go check those Tribble patch notes.
Don't forget though that there is also going to be an arc of episodes for all captains, not just TOS, set presumably after future proof but still with the temporal war theme. As such whether or not the new TOS faction arc is just six episodes or if some just are not listed on Tribble yet, there will definitely be more than six total for the expansion. And while the other arc might be cross faction, it will still probably have some special dialogue for TOS captains. Similar to how the cross faction Romulan arc, when played as a Romulan/Reman is a bit different than it is for a Fed or KDF. (Hakeev's overall dialogue and his execution scene for example. As well as the player's interactions with Obisek as a Reman.) Further, with a totally new 23rd century sector block, with its own map texture, and a TOS ESD I would not be surprised if some of that other arc's episodes took place in the 23rd century too. Otherwise why did Cryptic go to so much effort to make the new block so big and detailed. Also, it would be a way to allow all our current captains visit the new block, even if such a visit came with limitations, such as based on faction/era of origin. Either way I think there is still a lot for the blogs to reveal, and I for one am looking forward to them. July can't get here soon enough.
I had forgotten that. In the case of Legacy we got Nimbus.
Ahh, what I wouldn't give to have a Sonic CD style iteration of the game in this temporal war where you could visit the same location in the three different time periods. And that's from a guy that doesn't like time travel as a story mechanic.
An interesting thing is how is that block going to progress with both the 2260s and 2290s represented?
and even Delta Rising was quite substantial for all its flaws
DR Missions at Launch : ~10
current AoY Missions : ~6 (not mentioning additional Cross-Faction-Story-Arc)
so not sure what people would seriously expect from the new expansion, anyway ... best you can hope for is a bunch of TOS Patrols and maybe 1-2 new TOS-Missions being "squeezed in between" somewhere ... and yes of course the Cross-Faction-Story-Arc ...
You're not counting the patrols of course. Hmm. Man I hope they learned their lesson on the patrols thing. On the other hand patrols with no combat, but legit exploration could be something really awesome, to say nothing of building block patrols. But I guess this isn't the place for suggestions.
PS : I'm happy to provide a Screenshot to show you how you're going to be recruited at "Lieutenant" - Level replaying the same old content as "Temporal Agent" ... everyone currently having access to Tribble, and being able to read should be able to understand this, unless they're trying to be oblivious on purpose ...
That would be nice, but you don't have to go out of your way.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
If (!) that is truly all, it is... a bit underwhelming. But we don't know yet, do we.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Again not that hard to read through the Missions Descriptions ... the !!! i.e. stands continuity ... Federations biggest defeat followed by being recruited as Temporal Agent ... kinda makes sense ... doesn't it ... if you want to believe in tons of content being squeezed in somewhere before the SS Azura please go ahead ... fact remains that you're going to replay the "usual stuff" as "Temporal Agent" ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
Sure, if you ignore the fact that like half of those missions were just holder missions that told you to do 4 other missions.
Delta Rising had
-Escalation
-Mindscape
-Reunion
-Friends in Unlikely Places(which included the Argala System, Jarleth System, Borg Battlefield, Ocampan Freighter patrols)
-Revelations
-Enemies in All the Usual Places( which included the, Sakari System, Trakia System, Shivolia System, Nassordin System patrols)
-The Kobali Front(and its 28 missions rangign from main story missions to dialy and open missions)
-With Friends Like These...(Which included the Orendal System, Parein System, Nanipia System, Kendren System patrols and Legira System mission)
-All That Glitters
-Know Your Enemies
-Capture the Flag
-The Dragon's Deceit
-Alliances
-Better with Friends
-Revolution
-Taking Care of Enemies
-Takedown
So yeah, DR had FAR more then 10 missions at launch
Yeah sorry not counting the Patrol-Wrapper-Missions (basically everything with "Friend" or "Enemy" ... and 5min Indroductions like "Escalations" ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
Yeah sorry not counting the Patrol-Wrapper-Missions (basically everything with "Friend" or "Enemy" ... and 5min Indroductions like "Escalations" ...
So your pulling the "I am going to ignore everything that proves my visibly false number wrong!" argument?
The STO community, as blatantly deceitful as always.
Not really you're the one ignoring the fact that I never claimed that 6 TOS Missions ... are going to be the whole expansion ... it's going the be everything you're going to get as a new TOS Captain, however ... I already mentioned the additional Cross-Faction-Story-Arc over & over & over ... there is also going to be a new Reputation, Specialization etc ... but again the unique TOS-Content seems somewhat limited (followed by a "Temporal Recruit" - Thingie) ... similar to "Delta Recruits" ... replaying all the old content with slightly different dialogue & possible boni ...
PS : Not my intention to TRIBBLE all over the new expansion ... but some people should probably learn to manage their expectations ... otherwise the Forums will probably burn in ~8 weeks ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
I've never been a fan of time travel, it just ruins stories and gives writers way too much leeway to make TRIBBLE up that shouldn't have been made up in the first place.
I agree 100% with this. Time travel makes no sense and especially with Star Trek. While playing STO, I try not to pay any close attention to the writing during time travel missions. Can't really blame the writers in all honesty, it's just the bases of time travel that's the issue for me.
Now having said that, I have in the past enjoyed time travel stuff, but the only way I can is to put my brain to sleep and try not to think logically about it at all, and just try and enjoy the story that it tells. I will no doubt do the same for this.
Retired. I'm now in search for that perfect space anomaly.
The current missions do seem to be a bit small. I'm gonna give it time though.
One difference between this and Legacy on tribble, with Legacy when they didn't have missions in, there was actually a gap between the levels before you could advance. For instance level 15 then the next mission was level 25. So either that's all the missions they have for the TOS portion or they learned their lesson about setting up those level requirements in testing. Something that strikes me is that all of those missions occur at Lt JG. I imagine that may be to represent the level that TOS era ships represent in the overall game.
On the other hand, they have TOS 2260s era starships in the pack that are Tier 5. It isn't logical that there wouldn't be any Captain level missions. That is also consistent with Legacy where you were roughly Captain rank by the time you switched over to the common missions (Spectres). Of course I could be wrong, as they could just have included those for the fanservice, but like I said, I'm trying to be more patient on this.
PS : Not my intention to TRIBBLE all over the new expansion ... but some people should probably learn to manage their expectations ... otherwise the Forums will probably burn in ~8 weeks ...
We're just having a discussion. Personally I'm not the type to be disappointed anyway.
I've never been a fan of time travel, it just ruins stories and gives writers way too much leeway to make TRIBBLE up that shouldn't have been made up in the first place.
I agree 100% with this. Time travel makes no sense and especially with Star Trek. While playing STO, I try not to pay any close attention to the writing during time travel missions. Can't really blame the writers in all honesty, it's just the bases of time travel that's the issue for me.
Now having said that, I have in the past enjoyed time travel stuff, but the only way I can is to put my brain to sleep and try not to think logically about it at all, and just try and enjoy the story that it tells. I will no doubt do the same for this.
My problems with time travel are a general revulsion to the destiny and predetermination plot elements. I have the same feeling about prophecies and chosen ones.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
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This seems inaccurate at best.
As proved last year by the Delta Recruiting event, they're more than happy to integrate whatever story reason into such a thing. This is vastly more substantial than last years event. Which added a few mission objectives and a lot of rewards to missions that already existed.
For the record this is a proper expansion more on par with Legacy of Romulus. All new content and opportunity to start a new character and in this case a new time period.
As for why it's "TOS garbage", it's obviously part of the celebration for the 50th anniversary of the series that brought us here. Why not go back to the beginning?
The interesting thing is that the Temporal Agent pack has ships that fit in in the 2260s and ships that look 26th century vintage, contemporaries of the Enterprise-J. In addition the Chekov and Scotty behind the scenes indicates it will also move into the tail end of the 23rd century as well. So we could be seeing up to three time periods.
Well yes and no ... there are some new TOS-Missions ... 6 to be excact (basically LvL 1-10), but after that it's pretty much the same as "Delta Recruits" ... you're replaying the same old content from SS Azura to the Breen Storyline ... just as "Temporal Agent" ...
... if you expect something like LoR which at least allowed you to level up to ~30+, you're going to be disappointed ... my main concern here is that it seems kinda forced ... I would have been on board if you could've actually spend LvL 1-50 within the new TOS Era, flying TOS Ships, doing TOS Stuff etc etc ... but rescuing the Azura with a "Deadalus Ship-Skin", fighting the True Way with the "Gemini" etc ... meh
Sure there is going to be another Endgame-Story-Arc, new Reputation etc ... that's the stuff currently missing on Tribble, as for hypothetical TOS-Storylines ... highly unlikely ...
Besides Mission 3-6 are not even on Tribble yet ... currently just Placeholders ... so no they didn't put everything on Tribble yet ... they made it pretty clear what content you'll get as TOS/Temporal Agent Toon however ...
That's a weird thing to say. People can know the "good" variants of a storytelling device and still dislike it, after all
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Yes, I understand the reason why you said it but one can still dislike what you deem a masterpiece. It was just the way you phrased it that was a bit weird in that regard, that's all
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The May 12th Patch Notes on Tribble have the order of the Breen and Borg Story Arcs flipped for all Factions.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
My bad, Azura II to Borg then :P
I don't know which of you is correct. I haven't been gold in ages, so I can't go on Tribble myself.
There are two proper expansion packs thus far in this game, Delta Rising and Legacy of Romulus. Legacy was very very meaty, and even Delta Rising was quite substantial for all its flaws. I'm not the type of person to automatically assume absolute incompetence and malice from the developers, so unless this thing was rushed for the anniversary, which I doubt (we've know it was coming for fifty years after all) calling six episodes a bunch of ships, and a new recruiting event an expansion doesn't make much sense. But we'll see. I'll go check those Tribble patch notes.
Don't forget though that there is also going to be an arc of episodes for all captains, not just TOS, set presumably after future proof but still with the temporal war theme. As such whether or not the new TOS faction arc is just six episodes or if some just are not listed on Tribble yet, there will definitely be more than six total for the expansion. And while the other arc might be cross faction, it will still probably have some special dialogue for TOS captains. Similar to how the cross faction Romulan arc, when played as a Romulan/Reman is a bit different than it is for a Fed or KDF. (Hakeev's overall dialogue and his execution scene for example. As well as the player's interactions with Obisek as a Reman.) Further, with a totally new 23rd century sector block, with its own map texture, and a TOS ESD I would not be surprised if some of that other arc's episodes took place in the 23rd century too. Otherwise why did Cryptic go to so much effort to make the new block so big and detailed.
DR Missions at Launch : ~10
current AoY Missions : ~6 (not mentioning additional Cross-Faction-Story-Arc)
so not sure what people would seriously expect from the new expansion, anyway ... best you can hope for is a bunch of TOS Patrols and maybe 1-2 new TOS-Missions being "squeezed in between" somewhere ... and yes of course the Cross-Faction-Story-Arc ...
PS : I'm happy to provide a Screenshot to show you how you're going to be recruited at "Lieutenant" - Level replaying the same old content as "Temporal Agent" ... everyone currently having access to Tribble, and being able to read should be able to understand this, unless they're trying to be oblivious on purpose ...
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My bad
I had forgotten that. In the case of Legacy we got Nimbus.
Ahh, what I wouldn't give to have a Sonic CD style iteration of the game in this temporal war where you could visit the same location in the three different time periods. And that's from a guy that doesn't like time travel as a story mechanic.
An interesting thing is how is that block going to progress with both the 2260s and 2290s represented?
You're not counting the patrols of course. Hmm. Man I hope they learned their lesson on the patrols thing. On the other hand patrols with no combat, but legit exploration could be something really awesome, to say nothing of building block patrols. But I guess this isn't the place for suggestions.
That would be nice, but you don't have to go out of your way.
Not pretty but should show you the general direction of the new Expansion
http://i.imgur.com/5CdAzuh.jpg?1
If (!) that is truly all, it is... a bit underwhelming. But we don't know yet, do we.
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Yeah sorry not counting the Patrol-Wrapper-Missions (basically everything with "Friend" or "Enemy" ... and 5min Indroductions like "Escalations" ...
Not really you're the one ignoring the fact that I never claimed that 6 TOS Missions ... are going to be the whole expansion ... it's going the be everything you're going to get as a new TOS Captain, however ... I already mentioned the additional Cross-Faction-Story-Arc over & over & over ... there is also going to be a new Reputation, Specialization etc ... but again the unique TOS-Content seems somewhat limited (followed by a "Temporal Recruit" - Thingie) ... similar to "Delta Recruits" ... replaying all the old content with slightly different dialogue & possible boni ...
PS : Not my intention to TRIBBLE all over the new expansion ... but some people should probably learn to manage their expectations ... otherwise the Forums will probably burn in ~8 weeks ...
I agree 100% with this. Time travel makes no sense and especially with Star Trek. While playing STO, I try not to pay any close attention to the writing during time travel missions. Can't really blame the writers in all honesty, it's just the bases of time travel that's the issue for me.
Now having said that, I have in the past enjoyed time travel stuff, but the only way I can is to put my brain to sleep and try not to think logically about it at all, and just try and enjoy the story that it tells. I will no doubt do the same for this.
The current missions do seem to be a bit small. I'm gonna give it time though.
One difference between this and Legacy on tribble, with Legacy when they didn't have missions in, there was actually a gap between the levels before you could advance. For instance level 15 then the next mission was level 25. So either that's all the missions they have for the TOS portion or they learned their lesson about setting up those level requirements in testing. Something that strikes me is that all of those missions occur at Lt JG. I imagine that may be to represent the level that TOS era ships represent in the overall game.
On the other hand, they have TOS 2260s era starships in the pack that are Tier 5. It isn't logical that there wouldn't be any Captain level missions. That is also consistent with Legacy where you were roughly Captain rank by the time you switched over to the common missions (Spectres). Of course I could be wrong, as they could just have included those for the fanservice, but like I said, I'm trying to be more patient on this.
We're just having a discussion. Personally I'm not the type to be disappointed anyway.
My problems with time travel are a general revulsion to the destiny and predetermination plot elements. I have the same feeling about prophecies and chosen ones.
Best ONE Ever...take it from an old geezer