The Vesta of Tomorrow?

tousseau
tousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
Putting aside the whole T6 Connie thing for a bit... is this our new T6 Vesta coming in?

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T6 Temporal Multi-Mission Science Vessel Eternal Class
While equipped with cutting-edge scientific technology, the Eternal-class was designed to fulfill a number of roles in the field. Built to operate alone on the frontier or as part of a fleet, the Eternal is a versatile part of 31st century Starfleet.

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  • samt1996
    samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
    No that's a T6 Wells... T6 Vesta will come later.
  • tousseau
    tousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    I don't recall... is the Wells a "Multi-Mission Science Vessel"?
  • rattler2
    rattler2 Member Posts: 55,546 Community Moderator
    No. The Wells was just a Temporal Science Vessel.
    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Wells_Temporal_Science_Vessel
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  • mmps1
    mmps1 Member Posts: 381 Arc User
    Don't think we will get a T6 vesta, sadly.
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  • tousseau
    tousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    TY... hence my wondering if this is our T6 Vesta, which is a "Multi-Mission Science Vessel".
  • rattler2
    rattler2 Member Posts: 55,546 Community Moderator
    I wonder if people who own an Aeon and Wells will get extra hull options for the Science ship and Raider...
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  • alphahydri
    alphahydri Member Posts: 391 Arc User
    I feel like this T6 Temporal Multi-Mission Science Vessel is a T6 spiritual successor to both the Vesta and the Wells. It's becoming increasingly more unlikely we'll get a T6 Vesta due to licensing concerns, and if Cryptic were to release a T6 Wells people (including me) would lose their minds (and not in a good way!). I mean, I was lucky enough to get my Wells out of the 3rd lock box I opened out of 20, but some people have paid 500 million EC+ to get the ship. All that money would feel wasted if they released a T6 Wells in a new lock box.

    Think of it as a hybrid of the two. It may not be able to use the skins of the Vesta and Wells, but it'll essentially function like them, hence "spiritual successor".
  • e30ernest
    e30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    I was thinking it might be the Vesta replacement too because of the name.
  • tousseau
    tousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    Would be nice, I think.
  • e30ernest
    e30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    Looking to learn more about it before I consider adding it to my stable of Science Ships and whether or not it would be a good successor to my Vesta's or even my Pathfinder.
  • bawdytiefling
    bawdytiefling Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    I love the look of this new multi-mission ship. I can't wait for more detailed images and stats. It's great to learn about these new options, but now the waiting for them to become available is going to be so painful. The science ship and the raider are just so sexy looking.
  • tousseau
    tousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    That they are... I have all of the Temporal ships on my main, and look forward to completing the set.
  • johnnymo1
    johnnymo1 Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    it looks like a mask. the vista is a nice streamlined ship.
  • mustrumridcully0
    mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,958 Arc User
    tousseau wrote: »
    Putting aside the whole T6 Connie thing for a bit... is this our new T6 Vesta coming in?

    https://pwimages-a.akamaihd.net/arc/a2/16/a216039e165c1a402d65394f823f983f1461948484.jpg
    T6 Temporal Multi-Mission Science Vessel Eternal Class
    While equipped with cutting-edge scientific technology, the Eternal-class was designed to fulfill a number of roles in the field. Built to operate alone on the frontier or as part of a fleet, the Eternal is a versatile part of 31st century Starfleet.
    It really doesn't look like one now, does it, despite the "Multi-Mission Science Vessel" name.
    I certainly don't see a way to kitbash that ship with a Vesta.


    Though I wonder in general if the other ships are "kitbashable" with currently existing ships. The Daedalus is a 23rd century Olympic, the Perseus is an Akira, the Gemini could be a Stargazer. The Ranger might be an Akira or a Patrol Escort.

    But kitbashing these ships just seems like it would look quite odd. Unless the TOS material is responsible for a large part of the look.
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  • angrytarg
    angrytarg Member Posts: 10,811 Arc User
    This here is a "Temporal Multi-Mission Science Vessel" not a "Multi-Mission Science Vessel [T6]". They have nothing in common (least of all visually).

    Cryptics ship designations are all over the place. They really need to take a look at that and streamline them, make lineages clearer and most of all do not use the same terms multiple times. Just look at Battlecruisers, Battle Cruisers and Command Battle Cruisers. Those are all different types of ships.​​
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  • mustrumridcully0
    mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,958 Arc User
    On reddit someone pointed out to me that the Vesta is not a Multi-Mission Science Vessel, but a Mutli-Mission Explorer. So there is further distinction between them.

    So I guess that means we can still only guess on whether or when we'll get a Tier 6 Vesta.
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  • angrytarg
    angrytarg Member Posts: 10,811 Arc User
    On reddit someone pointed out to me that the Vesta is not a Multi-Mission Science Vessel, but a Mutli-Mission Explorer. So there is further distinction between them.

    So I guess that means we can still only guess on whether or when we'll get a Tier 6 Vesta.

    Good catch. Come tot hink of it, the "multi-mission" thing in a Starfleet vessel is really superflous to begin with.​​
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  • mirrorchaos
    mirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,817 Arc User
    alphahydri wrote: »
    I feel like this T6 Temporal Multi-Mission Science Vessel is a T6 spiritual successor to both the Vesta and the Wells. It's becoming increasingly more unlikely we'll get a T6 Vesta due to licensing concerns, and if Cryptic were to release a T6 Wells people (including me) would lose their minds (and not in a good way!). I mean, I was lucky enough to get my Wells out of the 3rd lock box I opened out of 20, but some people have paid 500 million EC+ to get the ship. All that money would feel wasted if they released a T6 Wells in a new lock box.

    Think of it as a hybrid of the two. It may not be able to use the skins of the Vesta and Wells, but it'll essentially function like them, hence "spiritual successor".

    that doesnt make much sense considering the vesta is 25th century design and the eternal is 31st century designed, thats 500 years to go without upgrades. if the vesta was to get a t6 upgrade it would come later on when the devs have a focus on it.
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  • duncanidaho11
    duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,619 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    that doesnt make much sense considering the vesta is 25th century design and the eternal is 31st century designed, thats 500 years to go without upgrades. if the vesta was to get a t6 upgrade it would come later on when the devs have a focus on it.

    The way I've personally justified the timeships being T5/T6 in 2409/2410 is just that they have to accommodate normal starship functions and time travel. That forces compromises but with 500 years of development that still leaves them at the modern top tier when it comes to combat.

    Of course if you chart progress as something that always goes up and by the same or increasing amount that's still hard to justify. But this is, after all, a video game and being able to use cool ships irrespective of every practical consideration (such as physics) is pretty much the point of it. So a few things overlooked (or an alternate view of technological progress taken, it can peak or at least proceed more slowly than in the past) isn't much to ask. :tongue:
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  • mirrorchaos
    mirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,817 Arc User
    that doesnt make much sense considering the vesta is 25th century design and the eternal is 31st century designed, thats 500 years to go without upgrades. if the vesta was to get a t6 upgrade it would come later on when the devs have a focus on it.

    The way I've personally justified the timeships being T5/T6 in 2409/2410 is just that they have to accommodate normal starship functions and time travel. That forces compromises but with 500 years of development that still leaves them at the modern top tier when it comes to combat.

    Of course if you chart progress as something that always goes up and by the same or increasing amount that's still hard to justify. But this is, after all, a video game and being able to use cool ships irrespective of every practical consideration (such as physics) is pretty much the point of it. So a few things overlooked (or an alternate view of technological progress taken, it can peak or at least proceed more slowly than in the past) isn't much to ask. :tongue:

    wheres that garbage scow! i will add some hull plates some weapons, a better warp core and make my enemies eat dirt, disposed of nappies, old food if they chase me. i bet it could beat a 31st century dreadie and win.
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  • sunfrancks
    sunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    The ship is rumored to have a hangar, too, so make of that what you will...
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  • samt1996
    samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
    It don't have a hangar. Only a select few science ships get them, the Vesta and dreadnoughts.
  • lordsteve1
    lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    Well the blurb for the original temporal shops was that they were stripped out for research purposes (presumably by starfleet etc) and we've just got an empty hull pretty much. Hence why try don't have a ridiculously overpowered ship in the 25th century.

    In my view something drastic happens between the 25th and 31st centuries which changes starship design for the federation. Maybe newer warp tech or something like that, hence the visual style that matches nothing in the current period. This could be a distant decendant of the Vesta line which has been built in the future style as future ships seem to be. Clearly tech in the future is advanced enough nacelles are not required, you see it with the Wells, Möbius and also the Na'kuhl ships.
    I mean the different look makes sense if you accept tech has changed drastically. We don't expect a zepplin to resemble an F35, but both are designed for flight.
    It's an interesting way to get round the licencing issues of the vesta, just build a far future version!
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  • tessaravejgan
    tessaravejgan Member Posts: 276
    No its not. It looks nothing like it for one and this is a Multi-Mission Science Vessel while the Vesta is a Multi-Mission Explorer Vessel. Think some people get the two confused.
  • tousseau
    tousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    Hmmm... it seems that Cryptic does view the Vesta and it sister ships as Multi-Mission Science Vessels...

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/pab_sto/news/detail/1000920-featured-ships:-vesta-line

    As far as if the new ship has a hanger or not, we will need to wait and see. Given time, more info will be forthcoming.