SO, now we've got rumors that it's going to be sometime after Star Trek VI to fifty years after TNG...
I wonder if the 'Anthology' rumor is what's causing this.
Heh...
Perhaps they are going to do both.
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I'd be cool with that, but it would probably destroy STO's storyline.
I guess They could adjust STO to coincide with the new show if They used time travel shenanigans.
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I'd be cool with that, but it would probably destroy STO's storyline.
I guess They could adjust STO to coincide with the new show if They used time travel shenanigans.
You mean like the time travel we've already been seeing? Has it occured to anyone that the entire time travel story could be leading up to exactly that?
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
Honestly, at this point I am going off the idea that if it isn't a press release from CBS, it is just shenanigans. There are too many rumors and most of them don't really have any credible evidence to support them.
As for the "50 years after TNG" I suppose it makes sense. TNG was roughly 75 years after TOS, so it follows precedent. Plus given the time between Nemesis and now, it is going to be hard to have any of the TNG era cast in any kind of cameo in the new series without some kind of time jump.
That said, if the dates do work out, I would much rather STO be its own little sandbox rather than the two being linked. Don't get me wrong, I love this game, but the fact is much of the story was limited and forced to be shoehorned into a game. What works on TV doesn't work when you are selling a MMO, so STO had to work with that.
By extension though, a new series is NOT tied by that. Plus i like the idea of if the TV series has all new uniforms, species, and ships, maybe we will get those goodies here.
Hoping the new show will be an STO playthrough of someones toon.
I can see it now:
Star Trek: Firestorm!
Starring Admiral Nat and his starship, the U.S.S. Firestorm E - Avenger Class Battle Cruiser!
...and all it's predecessors, the U.S.S. Firestreak (Miranda Class), U.S.S. Firestorm (the first, a Nova Class), U.S.S. Thunderhawk (Akira Class), U.S.S. Hurricane (Sovereign Class), the whatever it was called Jem'Hadar Tech Destiny Class, a Breen Chel Grett called the C.B.S. Snowstorm, the ever-lovable U.S.S. Firestorm C (an Avenger Battle Cruiser), followed by the U.S.S. Molly (Andromeda Class), the U.S.S. Sally (Galaxy X Class), and finally another U.S.S. Firestorm, this time letter E, but still an Avenger!
I'm sure the fans would love watching the crew jump from ship to ship every half season!
Never mind random comedy episodes of the crew trying out, and failing to properly use various other Breen ships and such.
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
I was joking. Mostly. The fans probably wouldn't enjoy constantly jumping from ship to ship, but the show being a run of STO as my character in the U.S.S. Firestorm (E) would be awesome. Just saying.
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
i think they should focus on ensigns and crewmen instead of bridge officers. maybe tell the story of the engineering crew on one ship, then jump to the night shift bridge crew on another ship, and then the nurses and aides and interns in a sickbay on yet another ship... and then in the finale, they all meet each other on a space station and die. or something.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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Well, at least this rumor is "moving forward" and seems less like Star Trek: Fan Service.
I wish CBS would say something already, LOL.
And, as for STO, you can BET that Cryptic will find a way to get ships/costumes/shinies in the game for our $$$.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,677Community Moderator
Look... no matter what time period the new show will be in, if its Prime Universe STO may benefit from it.
And just because it may fill a gap in the timeline doesn't mean its fan service. Enterprise would have been awesome if they got to do the Earth-Romulan War. There's the adventures of the Enterprise-B, which we know very little of. All we know of the Enterprise-C is she was destroyed at Narendra III, which lead to the alliance between the Federation and the Klingons. And if by chance it takes place in the early 25th Century... it won't conflict with STO because none of the games conflict with canon events shown on screen. The only one that comes close is Star Trek Elite Force 2, with the very first level being the tail end of Voyager's final episode and having the Hazard Team be involved in freeing Voyager from the Sphere. Voyager's return is mentioned in the opening of SFC3, but has no bearing on it otherwise.
Dominion Wars does cover battles during the Dominion War...
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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And if by chance it takes place in the early 25th Century... it won't conflict with STO because none of the games conflict with canon events shown on screen. The only one that comes close is Star Trek Elite Force 2, with the very first level being the tail end of Voyager's final episode and having the Hazard Team be involved in freeing Voyager from the Sphere. Voyager's return is mentioned in the opening of SFC3, but has no bearing on it otherwise.
Dominion Wars does cover battles during the Dominion War...
It really depends on how they do it. But the truth is, It is more about how limiting it might be to both the series and STO. Because if you establish that both are canon, and in the prime universe, then you can't have one contradict the other.
This would mean for instance, that the Enterprise F is definitely the Odyssey class (which I am not entirely sure is possible for the new series, but that is for the respective legal departments, who I have no doubt know far more about the relevant laws then I do), And is Captained by Shron.
Why, because it is already in the game, so either the series is stuck with it, or you establish that they are not in the same universe. Honestly, I like the idea that the new series and STO are not in the same universes. Because like I said, it gives both the freedom to tell the stories they want, without being limited by what the other has or is doing.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,677Community Moderator
Maybe. However I only know of two instances of a game being considered Canon.
Aliens: Colonial Marines
Star Trek
Colonial Marines is pretty much a direct sequel to Aliens, and also the Stasis Interrupted DLC explains how Hicks is still alive when in Alien 3 he was declared dead. Star Trek takes place between the 2009 movie and Into Darkness. There's a line in Into Darkness where McCoy mentioned taking care of a pregnant Gorn. During the game, McCoy is heard saying something about having to deliver some Gorn babies after Sulu stunned a Gorn that was about to attack them.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
normal text = me speaking as fellow formite colored text = mod mode
Maybe. However I only know of two instances of a game being considered Canon.
Aliens: Colonial Marines
Star Trek
Colonial Marines is pretty much a direct sequel to Aliens, and also the Stasis Interrupted DLC explains how Hicks is still alive when in Alien 3 he was declared dead. Star Trek takes place between the 2009 movie and Into Darkness. There's a line in Into Darkness where McCoy mentioned taking care of a pregnant Gorn. During the game, McCoy is heard saying something about having to deliver some Gorn babies after Sulu stunned a Gorn that was about to attack them.
Which gives credence to the idea that STO is its own sandbox. In other words no matter what we do, it has no effect on the new series. We could blow up every federation world, and the series is free to ignore it. Which I am perfectly fine with (not that I think we SHOULD blow up worlds, just an example).
And if by chance it takes place in the early 25th Century... it won't conflict with STO because none of the games conflict with canon events shown on screen. The only one that comes close is Star Trek Elite Force 2, with the very first level being the tail end of Voyager's final episode and having the Hazard Team be involved in freeing Voyager from the Sphere. Voyager's return is mentioned in the opening of SFC3, but has no bearing on it otherwise.
Dominion Wars does cover battles during the Dominion War...
It really depends on how they do it. But the truth is, It is more about how limiting it might be to both the series and STO. Because if you establish that both are canon, and in the prime universe, then you can't have one contradict the other.
This would mean for instance, that the Enterprise F is definitely the Odyssey class (which I am not entirely sure is possible for the new series, but that is for the respective legal departments, who I have no doubt know far more about the relevant laws then I do), And is Captained by Shron.
Why, because it is already in the game, so either the series is stuck with it, or you establish that they are not in the same universe. Honestly, I like the idea that the new series and STO are not in the same universes. Because like I said, it gives both the freedom to tell the stories they want, without being limited by what the other has or is doing.
Sure they can... Canon is whatever the primary source material says it is... It can be re-written and supercede what came before it... For example, how often was Spock referred to as 'Vulcanian'? Wrath of Khan suddenly established that Kirk had an adult son... Final Frontier suddenly established that Spock had an older half-brother... A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back showed Leia being pretty kissy with Luke, but they were later revealed to be brother and sister (something she then claimed to have always known )
So yeah, canon can be re-written as and when necessary...
Chances are, something in the new series will contradict STO (I think STO might have even contradicted itself with the run up to 2009, and Seven's appearance in Delta Rising...) because as noted in the lawsuit thread (or rather the video linked in it) CBS/Paramount will not allow its IP to be dictated by an external source... I know STO is supposed to be PrimeVerse, but it might allow you to keep it straighter in your head and for any new series changes to canon to not be an issue, to consider STO an offshoot timelines which still thinks it is the PrimeVerse...
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Wrath of Khan suddenly established that Kirk had an adult son... Final Frontier suddenly established that Spock had an older half-brother...
Well... in defense of Kirk... he didn't know about David. Kirk and Marcus hadn't seen each other in years as of WoK. And in FF, the reason no one knew about Sybok was because of the classic "you never asked" reasoning.
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Wrath of Khan suddenly established that Kirk had an adult son... Final Frontier suddenly established that Spock had an older half-brother...
Well... in defense of Kirk... he didn't know about David. Kirk and Marcus hadn't seen each other in years as of WoK. And in FF, the reason no one knew about Sybok was because of the classic "you never asked" reasoning.
Actually, I believe he did, or at least, knew Carol was pregnant and she told him to stay away... My point, is that canon is ammended as plot requires (Godfather Part III, for example, retcons the relationship between Sonny Corleone and Lucy Mancini, to explain the existence of Vincent, and it does so in a way completely believable to what was seen in Part I)
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Unfortunately your Godfather reference is lost on me.
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Unfortunately your Godfather reference is lost on me.
Okay, it focusses on a difference between the original novel, and the movie (Part I and Part III)
Lucy Mancini is one of the bridesmaids of Connie Corleone. At her wedding reception, her married brother, Sonny, has sex with Lucy. In both the novel and the movie, that event happens. In the novel, Lucy winds up in Las Vegas with a doctor, but in the movie, that is not shown. In Part III, Vincent is introduced as Sonny's boy, acknowledged as illegitimate, but still with a blood-tie to the Corleone family. Part III was not filmed from anything taken from the original novel (as Oarts I and II were) but it was written by the director and the writer of the original novel, essentially re-writing the canon of the novel, to allow the movie canon to supercede, thus creating a much more compelling storyline and character
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I wonder if the 'Anthology' rumor is what's causing this.
Heh...
Perhaps they are going to do both.
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I'd be cool with that, but it would probably destroy STO's storyline.
I guess They could adjust STO to coincide with the new show if They used time travel shenanigans.
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You mean like the time travel we've already been seeing? Has it occured to anyone that the entire time travel story could be leading up to exactly that?
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Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
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As for the "50 years after TNG" I suppose it makes sense. TNG was roughly 75 years after TOS, so it follows precedent. Plus given the time between Nemesis and now, it is going to be hard to have any of the TNG era cast in any kind of cameo in the new series without some kind of time jump.
That said, if the dates do work out, I would much rather STO be its own little sandbox rather than the two being linked. Don't get me wrong, I love this game, but the fact is much of the story was limited and forced to be shoehorned into a game. What works on TV doesn't work when you are selling a MMO, so STO had to work with that.
By extension though, a new series is NOT tied by that. Plus i like the idea of if the TV series has all new uniforms, species, and ships, maybe we will get those goodies here.
also, no matter when it's set, theyre gonna mess things up.
I can see it now:
Star Trek: Firestorm!
Starring Admiral Nat and his starship, the U.S.S. Firestorm E - Avenger Class Battle Cruiser!
...and all it's predecessors, the U.S.S. Firestreak (Miranda Class), U.S.S. Firestorm (the first, a Nova Class), U.S.S. Thunderhawk (Akira Class), U.S.S. Hurricane (Sovereign Class), the whatever it was called Jem'Hadar Tech Destiny Class, a Breen Chel Grett called the C.B.S. Snowstorm, the ever-lovable U.S.S. Firestorm C (an Avenger Battle Cruiser), followed by the U.S.S. Molly (Andromeda Class), the U.S.S. Sally (Galaxy X Class), and finally another U.S.S. Firestorm, this time letter E, but still an Avenger!
I'm sure the fans would love watching the crew jump from ship to ship every half season!
Never mind random comedy episodes of the crew trying out, and failing to properly use various other Breen ships and such.
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Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
Your mistake, my young padawan, is in thinking there is a difference...
I was joking. Mostly. The fans probably wouldn't enjoy constantly jumping from ship to ship, but the show being a run of STO as my character in the U.S.S. Firestorm (E) would be awesome. Just saying.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
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I wish CBS would say something already, LOL.
And, as for STO, you can BET that Cryptic will find a way to get ships/costumes/shinies in the game for our $$$.
And just because it may fill a gap in the timeline doesn't mean its fan service. Enterprise would have been awesome if they got to do the Earth-Romulan War. There's the adventures of the Enterprise-B, which we know very little of. All we know of the Enterprise-C is she was destroyed at Narendra III, which lead to the alliance between the Federation and the Klingons. And if by chance it takes place in the early 25th Century... it won't conflict with STO because none of the games conflict with canon events shown on screen. The only one that comes close is Star Trek Elite Force 2, with the very first level being the tail end of Voyager's final episode and having the Hazard Team be involved in freeing Voyager from the Sphere. Voyager's return is mentioned in the opening of SFC3, but has no bearing on it otherwise.
Dominion Wars does cover battles during the Dominion War...
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It really depends on how they do it. But the truth is, It is more about how limiting it might be to both the series and STO. Because if you establish that both are canon, and in the prime universe, then you can't have one contradict the other.
This would mean for instance, that the Enterprise F is definitely the Odyssey class (which I am not entirely sure is possible for the new series, but that is for the respective legal departments, who I have no doubt know far more about the relevant laws then I do), And is Captained by Shron.
Why, because it is already in the game, so either the series is stuck with it, or you establish that they are not in the same universe. Honestly, I like the idea that the new series and STO are not in the same universes. Because like I said, it gives both the freedom to tell the stories they want, without being limited by what the other has or is doing.
- Aliens: Colonial Marines
- Star Trek
Colonial Marines is pretty much a direct sequel to Aliens, and also the Stasis Interrupted DLC explains how Hicks is still alive when in Alien 3 he was declared dead.Star Trek takes place between the 2009 movie and Into Darkness. There's a line in Into Darkness where McCoy mentioned taking care of a pregnant Gorn. During the game, McCoy is heard saying something about having to deliver some Gorn babies after Sulu stunned a Gorn that was about to attack them.
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Which gives credence to the idea that STO is its own sandbox. In other words no matter what we do, it has no effect on the new series. We could blow up every federation world, and the series is free to ignore it. Which I am perfectly fine with (not that I think we SHOULD blow up worlds, just an example).
So yeah, canon can be re-written as and when necessary...
Chances are, something in the new series will contradict STO (I think STO might have even contradicted itself with the run up to 2009, and Seven's appearance in Delta Rising...) because as noted in the lawsuit thread (or rather the video linked in it) CBS/Paramount will not allow its IP to be dictated by an external source... I know STO is supposed to be PrimeVerse, but it might allow you to keep it straighter in your head and for any new series changes to canon to not be an issue, to consider STO an offshoot timelines which still thinks it is the PrimeVerse...
Well... in defense of Kirk... he didn't know about David. Kirk and Marcus hadn't seen each other in years as of WoK. And in FF, the reason no one knew about Sybok was because of the classic "you never asked" reasoning.
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Lucy Mancini is one of the bridesmaids of Connie Corleone. At her wedding reception, her married brother, Sonny, has sex with Lucy. In both the novel and the movie, that event happens. In the novel, Lucy winds up in Las Vegas with a doctor, but in the movie, that is not shown. In Part III, Vincent is introduced as Sonny's boy, acknowledged as illegitimate, but still with a blood-tie to the Corleone family. Part III was not filmed from anything taken from the original novel (as Oarts I and II were) but it was written by the director and the writer of the original novel, essentially re-writing the canon of the novel, to allow the movie canon to supercede, thus creating a much more compelling storyline and character
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