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Winter event, followed by the Anniversary event and going directly into the Breach event. And that is not to mention all the smaller events in between, there was a mirror event mixed in there somewhere and all the weekend events scattered throughout the entire time.

"Keeping us busy" at this point, is an understatement. I am more resilient to burnout than most, able to grind for hours at a time, reaping the fruits of my labors with joy and pride. But this, this event fatigue is starting to take its toll, more than starting in fact, more like it is taken hold and begun to create resentment.

I can hardly see any reprieve either as soon the spring event will come and with it a new string of tasks to take up.

Honestly I have come to know this as a punishment, a punishment that has a reward attached to it. It is bittersweet, really. I have gotten much dilithium ore, much marks, a ship and with it an admiralty card, another admiralty card and tons of experience. What more could a player ask for? On the other hand, I have had to play innumerable hours, days even, just to keep up, often depriving myself of the things that make life interesting, friends, family, the sun on my back, the wind on my face.

Are the admiralty ships really worth sacrificing life itself? To what end? More dilithium? More energy credits? And for what? So that I can say I am wealthy in-game?

You have backed me into a corner Cryptic, you have backed us ALL into a corner. I am soon to break. And with all my resiliency, imagine all those who are already broken.... What have YOU lost Cryptic? What you think that the players are the only ones to suffer these events? No, I think not. You too, Cryptic, have paid a price.

When will this madness end? Casualties on both sides are high right now. Can we have some peace soon? A respite, a ceasefire even? Even for just a little bit? A time to let our wounds heal so that we can again later pick up our keyboards and with everything we have, fight again?
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  • equinox976equinox976 Member Posts: 2,305 Arc User
    edited March 2016
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    I take 'events' the same as I take 'all you can eat' buffets.

    Take as much as you like, but don't start complaining when your button holes are bursting.

    Nobody is forcing food down ya gullet. And you can only 'burn out' of your own volition.

    Edit: I know your post is in jest by the way :D
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,689 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    If it isn't fun, don't do it. Play to have fun. Life will go on without one more ship or admiralty card.

    If you have any kind of half-decent income you can always buy a new ship instead of grinding them out. And you can buy 150,000 dil for $5.

    The only bad thing which Cryptic really needs to fix is not offering the consoles, that are part of C-Store console sets, in the lobi store. With that you'd never "need" to grind event ships to complete a console set.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    Nobody's forcing you to play every event. If you want a break, take a break.
  • horizons2052horizons2052 Member Posts: 184 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    equinox976 wrote: »
    I take 'events' the same as I take 'all you can eat' buffets.

    Take as much as you like, but don't start complaining when your button holes are bursting.

    Nobody is forcing food down ya gullet. And you can only 'burn out' of your own volition.

    HA! So say you! Last year I burned out after the winter event. As such I missed out on the Samsar, and now the Samsar admiralty card. I then missed out on the Nandi as well and also its admiralty card later. I also missed out on a couple hundred million EC because I skipped most of the anniversary event at that time. Further, I also missed out on a great Doff my science toon from the spring event, the one that causes root with the use of exothermic fire. Loss, loss, loss. And those are regrettable losses too. Quality of life in game would be much improved for the addition of these things.

    The reality is, those who skip these events take serious hits in the quality of life department. Punishment, as it were, for failing to partake. Punishment for burning out.

  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,689 Arc User
    The Samsar console is nice, but other than that you can always get admiralty cards for zen and dil ships or the Pastak from Time and Tide. Without the cards it just means you can grind fewer admiralty missions per day, hardly "serious hits" especially since doing admiralty might be contributing to your burnout.
  • equinox976equinox976 Member Posts: 2,305 Arc User
    Loss, loss, loss. And those are regrettable losses too.
    The reality is, those who skip these events take serious hits in the quality of life department. Punishment, as it were, for failing to partake. Punishment for burning out.

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,666 Community Moderator
    They really need to address the effect these events are having on the Dilithium Economy.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • tacticalrooktacticalrook Member Posts: 810 Arc User
    Sounds like a bout of grind madness. May as well take a break, get some sun.

    It happens, sometimes, when an event begins and someone's remaining player life begins to spiral down the drain. Sometimes the only way they can keep from expiring is by sitting out the event (especially if it's the type that is repeated regularly), making a few adjustments to lighten their everyday grind, then going ahead on as if it was just another regular day.
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  • postinggumpostinggum Member Posts: 1,117 Arc User
    Its a very low value event - ie. probably not worth the effort at all. 14 visits for 50k dil is bad value, its the slow way to get marks and another ship for the admiralty isn't a big deal once you toons start completing their final spec tree.

    Why people insist of flying carriers indoors is beyond me.
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    postinggum wrote: »
    Its a very low value event - ie. probably not worth the effort at all. 14 visits for 50k dil is bad value, its the slow way to get marks and another ship for the admiralty isn't a big deal once you toons start completing their final spec tree.

    Why people insist of flying carriers indoors is beyond me.

    Because some of us enjoy flying them?

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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    I can understand how the OP feels. I basically took a break from STO last year after the 2015 Risa Summer Event. I did not play STO again until about 2 weeks into the the middle of the 2015 Winter Event. I got the dreadnought with one day to spare.

    The only event that wished I had known about between Summer and Winter Events was the charity event to get the Mirror Guardian. I would have liked to have, but it's not really that big of a deal to me.

    I am currently running the Breach on all nine of my captains which takes about 3 hours to do everyday. I have to run it 10 more time per captain if I want the "Shiny". I have to admit that fatigue is beginning to set in because during the weekdays the only thing have time to do after getting home from work is to play Breach on all my captains. Perhaps when the weekend comes I will feel a bit rejuvenated since those days will not revolve around work and the Breach.

    But as others have stated, these events are optional. If fatigue really starts to set in then I will simply start to drop the event for certain captains. But since there are still 14 days to get all 14 "thingies" to get the "Shiny", I may take a breather here and there...

  • equinox976equinox976 Member Posts: 2,305 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    postinggum wrote: »
    Its a very low value event - ie. probably not worth the effort at all.

    When it comes to freebies, people can be very strange, and the entitlement meter can go off the scales.

    To give a personal example - I run a business, and as any other business would do; I occasionally do promotions. On this particular occasion I was offering a BOGOF (buy one treatment, get one free - or; buy one get one free) and the 'BOGOF' ran for 1 month, and 1 month only. All the promotional material clearly stated "For the month of May ONLY".

    Now one of our irregular customers turned up 2 days after the promotion had ended, with a promo voucher in hand (expired). I instructed the manager in charge to give them a bit of leeway, as it was only 2 days out of date (being nice and all...)

    2 days later, this person turns up with (photocopied) vouchers for the same (expired) promotion. And demanded that their family member get the same discount. My staff of course declined, and the customer demanded to speak to me directly.

    After listening to their 'grievance' I explained that we had made an allowance on one occasion for the expired promotion, and that it would not be extended again to themselves or to other members of their family.

    Did we get a 'thank you for your kindness?' Nope.

    We got a very long written complaint about how customers should be treated, and how they may be contemplating legal action against us.

    Sorry to go a bit off topic, but this is just an illustration of how people can feel 'entitled' to something that is being given away.
  • thatcursedwolfthatcursedwolf Member Posts: 1,617 Arc User
    equinox976 wrote: »
    postinggum wrote: »
    Its a very low value event - ie. probably not worth the effort at all.

    When it comes to freebies, people can be very strange, and the entitlement meter can go off the scales.

    To give a personal example - I run a business, and as any other business would do; I occasionally do promotions. On this particular occasion I was offering a BOGOF (buy one treatment, get one free - or; buy one get one free) and the 'BOGOF' ran for 1 month, and 1 month only. All the promotional material clearly stated "For the month of May ONLY".

    Now one of our irregular customers turned up 2 days after the promotion had ended, with a promo voucher in hand (expired). I instructed the manager in charge to give them a bit of leeway, as it was only 2 days out of date (being nice and all...)

    2 days later, this person turns up with (photocopied) vouchers for the same (expired) promotion. And demanded that their family member get the same discount. My staff of course declined, and the customer demanded to speak to me directly.

    After listening to their 'grievance' I explained that we had made an allowance on one occasion for the expired promotion, and that it would not be extended again to themselves or to other members of their family.

    Did we get a 'thank you for your kindness?' Nope.

    We got a very long written complaint about how customers should be treated, and how they may be contemplating legal action against us.

    Sorry to go a bit off topic, but this is just an illustration of how people can feel 'entitled' to something that is being given away.

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  • pulserazorpulserazor Member Posts: 590 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    Oh, well... then there no pleasing you.

  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
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  • kitsunesnoutkitsunesnout Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    Because the main reward was only an admiralty ship, I chose to bypass this event. If it was a piece of gear, I might have considered it. But having to repeat something each day like clockwork has become too much for me to bear at this point, although having limited time doesn't help either. So until something else more interesting comes up, I'm still on my temporary few week vacation due to burn-out from other activities in this game, pretty much a cycle I have now.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,666 Community Moderator
    If it was the Crystaline event, I'd be running it on all 8 of my alts. I'm only running it on my "Faction" Mains as it is after experiencing an 8 character burnout during the Mirror event.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    I await the gnashing of teeth when people realize how ideal the new admiralty card is for the Romulan Republic campaign :smirk:.

    I'm doing the event on 3 captains, mostly because it's a nice alternative method of raking in Terran Taskforce marks without listening to Admiral Leeta cackle...
  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    Look at it this way: will the happiness/satisfaction you get from getting that special reward (doff, ship, etc) make up for the constant grind? If so, then it makes logical sense to do it. If not, it makes logical sense to abstain.
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  • equinox976equinox976 Member Posts: 2,305 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    Because the main reward was only an admiralty ship, I chose to bypass this event.

    And that there key word is what people need to remember.

    Regardless of what monetary value Cryptic/PWE make from this event - it has been given away for free.

    Now tell me that you are unable to log into the game unless you take part in the event, and I might have some sympathy - but the fact remains, its an optional freebie, to take or leave, on as many or as little 'toons' you should decide to partake.
  • waldotrekwaldotrek Member Posts: 319 Arc User
    I'd like to point out in this discussion that the depending where you live it's nice outside.
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  • storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,286 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    Winter event, followed by the Anniversary event and going directly into the Breach event. And that is not to mention all the smaller events in between, there was a mirror event mixed in there somewhere and all the weekend events scattered throughout the entire time.

    "Keeping us busy" at this point, is an understatement. I am more resilient to burnout than most, able to grind for hours at a time, reaping the fruits of my labors with joy and pride. But this, this event fatigue is starting to take its toll, more than starting in fact, more like it is taken hold and begun to create resentment.

    I can hardly see any reprieve either as soon the spring event will come and with it a new string of tasks to take up.

    Honestly I have come to know this as a punishment, a punishment that has a reward attached to it. It is bittersweet, really. I have gotten much dilithium ore, much marks, a ship and with it an admiralty card, another admiralty card and tons of experience. What more could a player ask for? On the other hand, I have had to play innumerable hours, days even, just to keep up, often depriving myself of the things that make life interesting, friends, family, the sun on my back, the wind on my face.

    Are the admiralty ships really worth sacrificing life itself? To what end? More dilithium? More energy credits? And for what? So that I can say I am wealthy in-game?

    You have backed me into a corner Cryptic, you have backed us ALL into a corner. I am soon to break. And with all my resiliency, imagine all those who are already broken.... What have YOU lost Cryptic? What you think that the players are the only ones to suffer these events? No, I think not. You too, Cryptic, have paid a price.

    When will this madness end? Casualties on both sides are high right now. Can we have some peace soon? A respite, a ceasefire even? Even for just a little bit? A time to let our wounds heal so that we can again later pick up our keyboards and with everything we have, fight again?

    Totally WRONG OP! IMO it was so boring around here that lots of peeps are still exiting this MMO instead of coming in. I thought that on the contrary this was a sign of decline for STO. Too much grind?...what are we talking about a measly grind event and to top it...we have to look for 11.5 just a new "Skill system"?. At other times or years past, we would be talking about new Featured Episodes, new content (Dyson/New Romulus) or even an expansion. Now we just saying too "much grind" due to a measly event? Come on aint worth to talk about small things like this. Still one thing is for sure people will complain about anything on this MMO.​​
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  • kavasekavase Member Posts: 771 Arc User
    Yeah, event fatigue is self inflicting. It's there, but doesn't mean you have to or heck, even should.
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  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
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    More dil the for exchange!!!
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2016
    jaguarskx wrote: »
    The only event that wished I had known about between Summer and Winter Events was the charity event to get the Mirror Guardian. I would have liked to have, but it's not really that big of a deal to me.

    That was the one blink-and-you-missed-it event. I got in as soon as it was up, and got lucky that I got the code ASAP, but it was messy.
    waldotrek wrote: »
    I'd like to point out in this discussion that the depending where you live it's nice outside.

    New England - Hit 80 yesterday and 75 today. Awesome weather outside, lol.
  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    Depending on how many toons you're running, you can take a few days off. Theres more then enough time to schedule some off Event days.
    Myself I'm doing the event on 5 toons which is very ambitious for me, normally I stick to my 3 Main Feds. The grind so far has been just long enough not to be a real pain, and huge time sink. But any longer and I'd not be enjoying the Event. Not sure how people can stomach doing it on 10-15+ toons. That's just OCD if you ask me, but eh, to each their own, its their time, not mine.

    Ill be doing all my runs ASAP. So I can relax a week or 2 before the next episode is released. Once the project is completed I won't bother running it anymore.
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  • farranorfarranor Member Posts: 559 Arc User
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LostForever is a strong motivator, but it's fear-based, not fun-based. I would have no problem with these events if they ran indefinitely, in the same way you can do ordinary episodes at any time. It would prevent burnout, it would provide more content for new players, and it would reduce the gap between veterans and newbies. Limited-time events do have a precedence, usually with a citation of WoW's "Gates of Ahn'Qiraj," but those who cite that event forget that it was notable because it was rare. To my knowledge, anyone who wants pretty much anything else in that game - such as the Baron mount, Hawkstrider mount, T2 Judgement armor, etc. - just has to find out how to get it and then put in the effort. The exclusivity of these items comes from rare crafting recipes, difficult raids, lucky drops, and so on, not from "I was there at a certain time."

    Then again, WoW wasn't struggling for "metrics."
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,666 Community Moderator
    cidjack wrote: »
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    More dil the for exchange!!!

    I think you can stop doing that now. Please. Its getting old.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    I just don't like double stacked Events.
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