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    alphaomega1500alphaomega1500 Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    Also, One other thing. I would like to see a poll seeing if CBS/Paramount was right in filing this lawsuit against ANAXAR or not and a second poll stating this. If you were in charge of the Star Trek Legacy for CBS/Paramount. WOULD YOU HAVE FILED SUIT AGANST ANAXAR ??
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    khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,007 Arc User
    OK Before I start with my own POV on all this. I have to say I DIDN'T read this entire thread. Which is standing at 11+ pages long at the time of this posting. So some of these points might have already been hashed out.

    Does CBS/Paramount have the right to protect their IP AKA Star Trek ?? YES It does.

    Does CBS/Paramount HAVE to let any Fan FICTION or PRODUCTION be made without their official OK ?? No they Don't

    Do we as fans of Star Trek have any rights to write a Fan Fiction and post it online or make a HOMEMADE FAN FILM or WEB SERIES ??? No we don't

    Should CBS/Paramount shut down all Fan Productions. Which includes these Fan Films and Web Series (Renegades, Continues, New Voyages and Continuning Missions). This also includes any future Fan Audio Drama Productions. YES THEY SHOULD

    Until CBS/Paramount can setup some type of submission review board and a set of submission rules for HOMEMADE, Fan Club and or Fan Crowd Funded project can be put in place. With also clear transparcency as to why a submission was rejected.

    Their might be a set of rules. If so I haven't hear or seen anything about it.

    I really hate to say this. But CBS/Paramount are in a catch 22 setup. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. So they chose to be damned by a majority of Star Trek Fans. Because they are protecting their LEGAL RIGHTs to all things STAR TREK.

    It's their sandbox we are playing in. They have every right to tell us to stop what we are doing and get out and if we don't stop and get out we as fans better be prepared to pay the cost. For those who don't follow the rules.

    NOW, all that said and done.

    What would I do IF I was in charge or the go to guy in charge The Star Trek Legacy for CBS/Paramount.

    As stated before. Setup a submissions review board and have total transpancey as to the review process and a stated reason was a certain project was rejected.

    If a project was approved. Take AXANAR for example. I would also appoint a Lasion officer as a go between CBS/Paramount and the production group. Just like they did here with STO. I think. By the way who is the CBS/Paramount Lasion officer who works with cryptic ??


    The main reason they are going after Axanar is because the producers are using the money they raised from Axanar to pay themselves and fund their studio...CBS/Paramount allows these fan productions because they don't make money.
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    alphaomega1500alphaomega1500 Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited January 2016
    You mean to say.

    That because the Production staff that keeps things running are being paid a wage. Is what this lawsuit is all about. How dumb can they be.

    If I under stand what a Producers does. Is make sure the actors get their updated scripts on time and arranges transportation for the actors and actress to get to the set on time or to a location shoot. Scouts Locations, keeps track on what the build status is of certain sets and props and arrange for possible private funding from outside sources. If the budget gets a bit to tight and a thousand one other things.

    If this is why they are filing against ANAXAR. I can't support CBS/Paramount. For other reason I could and can. But not for this one .

    Also, wiether or not the studio is used for FUTURE FOR PROFIT PROJECTS. Is a non-matter. It is for what it is being built for now. Not what its future uses could be.
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    khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,007 Arc User
    You mean to say.

    That because the Production staff that keeps things running are being paid a wage. Is what this lawsuit is all about. How dumb can they be.

    If I under stand what a Producers does. Is make sure the actors get their updated scripts on time and arranges transportation for the actors and actress to get to the set on time or to a location shoot. Scouts Locations, keeps track on what the build status is of certain sets and props and arrange for possible private funding from outside sources. If the budget gets a bit to tight and a thousand one other things.

    If this is why they are filing against ANAXAR. I can't support CBS/Paramount. For other reason I could and can. But not for this one .

    Also, wiether or not the studio is used for FUTURE FOR PROFIT PROJECTS. Is a non-matter. It is for what it is being built for now. Not what its future uses could be.

    No that's not the reason. The money that they get from donations needs to go back 100% into the production. That includes paying actors and crew, securing locations and building sets. The main producer, Alex Peters, paid himself 38K from the money they raised and then used the money that they raised for Axanar to set up a studio that they will use to fund his own company to make for profit films later. This is a clear violation. He met with CBS and they told him...face to face...don't make a profit. He violated that and deserved to be sued.
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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,367 Arc User
    Why can't CBS purchase the stuff needed for Axanar and complete it? Mind you, they probably won't, but I don't honestly see any reason why they can't.
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    admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
    That, and CBS could make money off of Axanar. B)
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    khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,007 Arc User
    Why can't CBS purchase it and finish it? Why would they buy it? They already own it...that's what the case is about. Also they probably don't want to do business with Peters and anything Star Trek they are working on needs to be the new show.
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    alphaomega1500alphaomega1500 Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited January 2016
    Why don't CBS/Paramount join up with Peters and make AXANAR joint venture. That way they COULD make AXANAR a direct to video DVD and make AXANAR the movie that bought CBS/Paramount and AXANAR Production together to make more ind type Star Trek Fan movies for the Direct to sale market.
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    gabeoz1gabeoz1 Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    Last night I commented on one of their Facebook posts saying that the probable reason that they are being sued is that they spent 250k using donor funds on a studio not related to Axanar that will be used for profit. It quickly became the top comment on that post and had 60 comments on it (it was civil discussion, nothing got out of hand.).

    When I want to check it a few mins ago. They had deleted the comment. Nice to know that they are willing to try and hide this information from the public.

    I was excited for Axanar, but they are TRIBBLE up big time.
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    thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    gabeoz1 wrote: »
    Last night I commented on one of their Facebook posts saying that the probable reason that they are being sued is that they spent 250k using donor funds on a studio not related to Axanar that will be used for profit. It quickly became the top comment on that post and had 60 comments on it (it was civil discussion, nothing got out of hand.).

    When I want to check it a few mins ago. They had deleted the comment. Nice to know that they are willing to try and hide this information from the public.

    I was excited for Axanar, but they are TRIBBLE up big time.

    Only a guilty party tries to hide actual facts.

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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,367 Arc User
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Why can't CBS purchase it and finish it? Why would they buy it? They already own it...that's what the case is about. Also they probably don't want to do business with Peters and anything Star Trek they are working on needs to be the new show.
    They own the IP - but the actual physical assets already constructed, and CGI work already done, could easily be either purchased by CBS or made part of a settlement. They could then finish Axanar, and use that as publicity for their upcoming Trek series (possibly even making Axanar available for a time on YouTube or Netflix, and moving it to their proprietary streaming service when the new series starts).​​
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    johnwatson71johnwatson71 Member Posts: 187 Arc User
    It's hilarious to watch the people in this thread pretend to be copyright and IP lawyers, when none of you are. I'm also going to assume that none of you have actually read the CBS complaint.

    The Axanar team is going to be represented by one of the top IP law firms in the country. And so far, its looking like Axanar has a good chance of winning the case, which they should. The copyright laws in this country are ridiculous. They stem from greed of corporations and capitalism.

    I hope CBS & Paramount lose this case. And I hope It sets a new precedent in the entertainment industry regarding IP.
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    thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    It's hilarious to watch the people in this thread pretend to be copyright and IP lawyers, when none of you are.

    You have no idea what profession anyone in this thread is. That said, you don't have to be a police officer to know someone going over the speed limit is breaking the law. Likewise, you don't have to be a lawyer to know that making a profit using someone else's IP without their permission is also against the copyright law. Of course, you can go before a judge and make a case for why you were breaking the law and speeding, and he may even give you a pass. And the same may happen with Axanar. But in both cases, that doesn't change the fact that they still broke the law, even if they wind up being given a pass for doing so.

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    whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
    Lets face it, nobody here truly knows the whole deal as to whats going on with the Axanar case. While speculating is fun and all, nobody will really know until all of the evidence and arguments are submitted.
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    thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    edited January 2016
    Lets face it, nobody here truly knows the whole deal as to whats going on with the Axanar case. While speculating is fun and all, nobody will really know until all of the evidence and arguments are submitted.

    Assuming no one here works for CBS or Axanar, that is true. Also, we will likely never know "the whole deal", because they aren't just going to publish all of the evidence even after the case is finished.

    That said, just because we do not know "everything" does not change the things we do know. Axanar already showed their wrong doing in their own financial report.

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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Why can't CBS purchase it and finish it? Why would they buy it? They already own it...that's what the case is about. Also they probably don't want to do business with Peters and anything Star Trek they are working on needs to be the new show.
    They own the IP - but the actual physical assets already constructed, and CGI work already done, could easily be either purchased by CBS or made part of a settlement. They could then finish Axanar, and use that as publicity for their upcoming Trek series (possibly even making Axanar available for a time on YouTube or Netflix, and moving it to their proprietary streaming service when the new series starts).​​
    Also... for that you'd probably need to get Alec Peters to agree to the deal.... With his ego, I doubt it will happen.
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    rcassandrasaturnrcassandrasaturn Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    actually, i have reason to believe that Axanar is done.
    CBS is not going to let this slide by. the team messed up three times.
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    gabeoz1gabeoz1 Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    @rcassandrasaturn probably, I was very excited for Axanar. But they have showed their true colors and what they did is not excusable. They betrayed people's trust and spent a large portion of the money that was supposed to go to Axanar to something that's not even related to it.
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    rcassandrasaturnrcassandrasaturn Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    let me show you what they did.

    Axanar team spent 100K on Ares Studios (studio they wanted to make and create, set up)
    250K on items (unknown items presumed to be electronics)
    10K on home base (their place was Upgraded from TRIBBLE place to neat place similar to those of an lounge room in office building)

    probably some couple of things we don't even know about.
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    alphaomega1500alphaomega1500 Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    and where did you expect them to film AXANAR in a barn.

    Every fan film dealing with certain series build their own studio. So they don't have to deal with rental contracts. That may prevent them from fixing items. Like the AC during summer or the heating system during winter and maybe fix bad sections of roof that let rain in during a bad storm or snow melt, ECT.

    Or pay enough in the rental agreement to be able to fix things Like the AC or the Heating or even the wiring if it is needed and not harzard during heavy usage during filming.

    So building their own studio was they smart thing to do.

    So they have a nice looking office. Where they can meet and plan and talk about how thing are going with ANAXAR. Like are they on sch. How is the budget hold up for what we have planned. Are we going to be short and if so where do we make the cuts and to what ?? or are we in the black and what if anything so we add on or should we hold back. Just in case Murphy shows up and cause no end of problems
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    gabeoz1gabeoz1 Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    @alphaomega1500 are you not listening? The studio they built IS NOT FOR AXANAR it's for other future projects, it has nothing to do with Axanar.
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    gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    I don't think picking up Axanar would be the right move for CBS IF the allegations of fraud and violating the agreement are true. That sends a message that you can lie, cheat, and you will still be rewarded with all the fame and glory and this time with an official stamp of approval on it. If Peters did something wrong, I say squash Axanar and make sure it never sees the light of day so that no one else gets that kind of idea.

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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    I could see them essentially getting Axanar for free in exchange for not prosecuting Alec Peters for IP violations. But.. what would they do with it? they'd probably kick Peters out of his lead role and replace him with an actual actor.
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    jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    https://youtu.be/S6TXDDoADIY

    this makes me hmm. . .

    We can't use the name or brand of star trek etc etc yet it's all over this video. . .

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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,367 Arc User
    Watson (and I take the liberty of assuming you are yourself neither a doctor nor companion to a consulting detective), I freely admit that I am not myself an attorney. However, during discussion of such matters involving characters in Champions Online, I have taken the opportunity to learn quite a bit about copyright law, trademark law, and the difference between the two from actual attorneys specializing in IP matters. And I can assure you that the bright line crossed in this matter was the diversion of Kickstarter funds, raised using the name of Star Trek, to Ares Studios, coupled with Mr. Peters' outright statement that he would then be able to make his own profitable movies using that company. This is a clear violation of trademark (not copyright as such - that would be the use of specific characters such as Ambassador Soval), in that Mr. Peters intends to turn a profit using something that started with the Star Trek trademark. This left CBS/Paramount with little option but to sue, or to abandon the trademark themselves. Obviously, with the success of CBS All-Access hanging upon their sole ownership of the upcoming Star Trek TV series, they weren't about to give up the trademark, so it became time to call up their own (very expensive, I'm quite sure, and thus not casually employed) legal team.​​
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