I missed both references and bergins posts more promptly than I do . I'll plead oversight because I'm negligent in that department myself . A miss or not I continue to interpret it as a canon montage not a veteran's memorial.
CV 6, The most decorated ship of WW2, I can see Starfleet honoring that ship
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
The Enola TRIBBLE was a B-29, it would not fit on the carrriers of the time. It would be like trying to launch a B-52 off of the U.S.S. Stennis.
Wasn't what they were aiming for. More famous names in history.
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CVN-65 was also NOT a Nimitz class Carrier. Little known fact. She was in a class of her own, and was the Longest warship afloat. Don't know if that still holds true today. Also... Wasn't Enterprise featured for a bit in Hunt for Red October?
And yes, CV-6 was the most decorated ship in WW2, and was the bane of the Japanese Navy throughout the war. They really did not like her.
As for the whole Yorktown thing... I believe it was said somewhere that the Enterprise-A used to be named Yorktown before being renamed.
I know it is shame. The Enterprise that is probably the beginning of the whole Enterprise lineage, inspired 2 CVNs, CV-6/CVN-65 inspired NCC-1701, which inspired other TrekEnterprises, NCC-1701 also inspired the shuttle.
Speaking of whether CV-6 should be on the list becasue of it's history of kills, don't forget Saratoga, Hood, Yamato, Akagi(which attacked Pearl Harbor), none of them are any exordinary technological achivement or anything.
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Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
CVN-65 was also NOT a Nimitz class Carrier. Little known fact. She was in a class of her own, and was the Longest warship afloat. Don't know if that still holds true today. Also... Wasn't Enterprise featured for a bit in Hunt for Red October?
And yes, CV-6 was the most decorated ship in WW2, and was the bane of the Japanese Navy throughout the war. They really did not like her.
As for the whole Yorktown thing... I believe it was said somewhere that the Enterprise-A used to be named Yorktown before being renamed.
Actually Yorktown was in Star trek 4 already. I thoght it was Essex? And little known fact up until she decommissioned, Enterprise CV-65 was the fastest ship in the fleet. Took her a while to get up to speed but once she did, she outran subs.
Funny story. Admiral of the task group wanted to see how fast his group was. So coming out of the Chesapeake bay, the entire group secured for speed and they all ran flat out to 20 nautical miles. Granted all the other ships at first left Enterprise in the dust, but then at 10 miles, Enterprise comes SCREAMING past all of them while blowing the raspberry.
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Stafleet has Japanese crewmembers. Would that be a good idea? Also the Enola TRIBBLE ended the war in the pacific. Good idea to name a ship after that?
Ehh, there is the Akagi too, you think Pearl Harbor veterans would be offended, too, right? And the Yamato, kinda a SYMBOL of the Japanese during WW2(the name Yamato is a old poetic name of japan). Yet, people are ok. As is the USS. Hood, I must say it wasnt the brightest moment in Royal navy history
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Ehh, there is the Akagi too, you think Pearl Harbor veterans would be offended, too, right? And the Yamato, kinda a SYMBOL of the Japanese during WW2(the name Yamato is a old poetic name of japan). Yet, people are ok. As is the USS. Hood, I must say it wasnt the brightest moment in Royal navy history
I was planing on naming a ship the Akagi, or one of the other Japanese Carriers. As my theme usually named after famous ships of war. To me the Akagi would be perfect for the new Fed Carrier.
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Ehh, there is the Akagi too, you think Pearl Harbor veterans would be offended, too, right? And the Yamato, kinda a SYMBOL of the Japanese during WW2(the name Yamato is a old poetic name of japan). Yet, people are ok. As is the USS. Hood, I must say it wasnt the brightest moment in Royal navy history
I was planing on naming a ship the Akagi, or one of the other Japanese Carriers. As my theme usually named after famous ships of war. To me the Akagi would be perfect for the new Fed Carrier.
Named mine Ark Royal.
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Stafleet has Japanese crewmembers. Would that be a good idea? Also the Enola TRIBBLE ended the war in the pacific. Good idea to name a ship after that?
Yes, my point I couldn't think of those words, though
Also the Enola TRIBBLE ended the war in the pacific. Good idea to name a ship after that?
Yes.
And the Enola TRIBBLE launched from Tinian Island, not any aircraft carrier.
You think a devastating nuclear attack against civilian targets would be a thing Starfleet would name their exploration ships after especially in light of the Eugenics War/WWIII?
I know it is shame. The Enterprise that is probably the beginning of the whole Enterprise lineage, inspired 2 CVNs, CV-6/CVN-65 inspired NCC-1701, which inspired other TrekEnterprises, NCC-1701 also inspired the shuttle.
Speaking of whether CV-6 should be on the list becasue of it's history of kills, don't forget Saratoga, Hood, Yamato, Akagi(which attacked Pearl Harbor), none of them are any exordinary technological achivement or anything.
There have been about 30 British and French ships going by the name of Enterprise (or Enterprize) prior to the American warship.
Also, Starfleet vessels named after warships are in the minority. Most are named after concepts or famous probes, explorers, scientists etc. i.e. the way it should be.
Stafleet has Japanese crewmembers. Would that be a good idea? Also the Enola TRIBBLE ended the war in the pacific. Good idea to name a ship after that?
Ehh, there is the Akagi too, you think Pearl Harbor veterans would be offended, too, right? And the Yamato, kinda a SYMBOL of the Japanese during WW2(the name Yamato is a old poetic name of japan). Yet, people are ok. As is the USS. Hood, I must say it wasnt the brightest moment in Royal navy history
No, I doesn't think it would be a good idea. I don't think naming any exploration ships after warships is a good idea. If the Federation had a navy they maybe, or it it only happened in the Dominion war or something.
But as it stands I find it hard to take seriously the idea of a ship named the U.S.S. Bismarck on its ongoing mission to seek out new worlds and new civilisations.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The CV-6 as far as I am aware did not launch the Enola TRIBBLE. Especially considering we also have the Yamato, I fail to see the problem.
I didn't say it did, I said the Enola TRIBBLE ended the war.
The Enola TRIBBLE dropped the first bomb. If you want to get technical, it was the second bomb dropped by the Bockscar that ended the war, once Hirohito realized Hiroshima was not a fluke.
You think a devastating nuclear attack against civilian targets would be a thing Starfleet would name their exploration ships after especially in light of the Eugenics War/WWIII?
Well it was not strictly a "civilian target" as you are trying to imply, but ending a world war is not a worthy enough achievement for you? Ending the war in 1945 saved millions of lives, including millions of mainland Japanese civilians that would have sacrificed themselves during a ground invasion.
I know it is shame. The Enterprise that is probably the beginning of the whole Enterprise lineage, inspired 2 CVNs, CV-6/CVN-65 inspired NCC-1701, which inspired other TrekEnterprises, NCC-1701 also inspired the shuttle.
Speaking of whether CV-6 should be on the list becasue of it's history of kills, don't forget Saratoga, Hood, Yamato, Akagi(which attacked Pearl Harbor), none of them are any exordinary technological achivement or anything.
There have been about 30 British and French ships going by the name of Enterprise (or Enterprize) prior to the American warship.
Also, Starfleet vessels named after warships are in the minority. Most are named after concepts or famous probes, explorers, scientists etc. i.e. the way it should be.
Stafleet has Japanese crewmembers. Would that be a good idea? Also the Enola TRIBBLE ended the war in the pacific. Good idea to name a ship after that?
Ehh, there is the Akagi too, you think Pearl Harbor veterans would be offended, too, right? And the Yamato, kinda a SYMBOL of the Japanese during WW2(the name Yamato is a old poetic name of japan). Yet, people are ok. As is the USS. Hood, I must say it wasnt the brightest moment in Royal navy history
No, I doesn't think it would be a good idea. I don't think naming any exploration ships after warships is a good idea. If the Federation had a navy they maybe, or it it only happened in the Dominion war or something.
But as it stands I find it hard to take seriously the idea of a ship named the U.S.S. Bismarck on its ongoing mission to seek out new worlds and new civilisations.
Speaking of names, Star Trek production teams, which have much better idea of Star Trek than any of us here, named a ship Akagi(supposed to be a Rigel class, but then the Rigel class concept is scrapped and the sistership Zhukov became Ambassador class), a Galaxy as Yamato, poor Hood that all the WW2 german weapon fanboy will bring up to beat the dead horse, unknown ship Musashi in DS9, then there is a bunch of american WARships... I am not discussing the number of ship having a warship name and number of ship that doesnt, I am pointing out that Starfleet have no problem namning there ships after warships
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
It's a military achievement that is an ill fitting name for an exploration and humanitarian fleet.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I was planing on naming a ship the Akagi, or one of the other Japanese Carriers. As my theme usually named after famous ships of war. To me the Akagi would be perfect for the new Fed Carrier.
If I ever got the Jupiter, I'd probably name her Tiger's Claw.
I just recently got a Xindi-Primate Dreadnaught Cruiser I named Concordia.
Cybercookie if anyone knows where I got Tiger's Claw from.
It's a military achievement that is an ill fitting name for an exploration and humanitarian fleet.
Considering that Starfleet embodied the naval traditions of old Earth in Kirk's time, and warfighting is part of Starfleet's mission, naming vessels after warships, battles, famous military personnel, etc. is more than appropriate.
Dude could you tone down your avatar special effects? I could care less for the gun but the bright lights is making me epileptic and I never had an attack
Dude could you tone down your avatar special effects? I could care less for the gun but the bright lights is making me epileptic and I never had an attack
The CV-6 as far as I am aware did not launch the Enola TRIBBLE. Especially considering we also have the Yamato, I fail to see the problem.
I didn't say it did, I said the Enola TRIBBLE ended the war.
The Enola TRIBBLE dropped the first bomb. If you want to get technical, it was the second bomb dropped by the Bockscar that ended the war, once Hirohito realized Hiroshima was not a fluke.
You think a devastating nuclear attack against civilian targets would be a thing Starfleet would name their exploration ships after especially in light of the Eugenics War/WWIII?
Well it was not strictly a "civilian target" as you are trying to imply, but ending a world war is not a worthy enough achievement for you? Ending the war in 1945 saved millions of lives, including millions of mainland Japanese civilians that would have sacrificed themselves during a ground invasion.
Granted the Sasebo Naval district is in Nagasaki, but I don't think 1945 japan have any resources to make it pose a threat anyway... It is pretty much a demonstration of firepower...
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
The CV-6 as far as I am aware did not launch the Enola TRIBBLE. Especially considering we also have the Yamato, I fail to see the problem.
I didn't say it did, I said the Enola TRIBBLE ended the war.
The Enola TRIBBLE dropped the first bomb. If you want to get technical, it was the second bomb dropped by the Bockscar that ended the war, once Hirohito realized Hiroshima was not a fluke.
You think a devastating nuclear attack against civilian targets would be a thing Starfleet would name their exploration ships after especially in light of the Eugenics War/WWIII?
Well it was not strictly a "civilian target" as you are trying to imply, but ending a world war is not a worthy enough achievement for you? Ending the war in 1945 saved millions of lives, including millions of mainland Japanese civilians that would have sacrificed themselves during a ground invasion.
Granted the Sasebo Naval district is in Nagasaki, but I don't think 1945 japan have any resources to make it pose a threat anyway... It is pretty much a demonstration of firepower...
Hiroshima was the location of some of Japan's remaining war industry after the incendiary bombings of Tokyo. It was also a Regional Army Headquarters, shipping hub, major military storehouse, and the Imperial Army Marine Headquarters.
It was very much a strategic target. The United States would not waste an expensive prototype weapon on just a "demonstration".
Of course in Star Trek the unification of the planet was after what was implied to been a global nuclear war...
Semantically not sure if you're saying one event simply followed the other chronologically, or if you're claiming causation. If the latter, planetary unification was a result of first contact with an alien race, not the result of any nuclear exchange.
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Wasn't what they were aiming for. More famous names in history.
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And the Enola TRIBBLE launched from Tinian Island, not any aircraft carrier.
And yes, CV-6 was the most decorated ship in WW2, and was the bane of the Japanese Navy throughout the war. They really did not like her.
As for the whole Yorktown thing... I believe it was said somewhere that the Enterprise-A used to be named Yorktown before being renamed.
Speaking of whether CV-6 should be on the list becasue of it's history of kills, don't forget Saratoga, Hood, Yamato, Akagi(which attacked Pearl Harbor), none of them are any exordinary technological achivement or anything.
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Actually Yorktown was in Star trek 4 already. I thoght it was Essex? And little known fact up until she decommissioned, Enterprise CV-65 was the fastest ship in the fleet. Took her a while to get up to speed but once she did, she outran subs.
Funny story. Admiral of the task group wanted to see how fast his group was. So coming out of the Chesapeake bay, the entire group secured for speed and they all ran flat out to 20 nautical miles. Granted all the other ships at first left Enterprise in the dust, but then at 10 miles, Enterprise comes SCREAMING past all of them while blowing the raspberry.
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http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1145998/star-trek-battles-channel-got-canon/p1
Ehh, there is the Akagi too, you think Pearl Harbor veterans would be offended, too, right? And the Yamato, kinda a SYMBOL of the Japanese during WW2(the name Yamato is a old poetic name of japan). Yet, people are ok. As is the USS. Hood, I must say it wasnt the brightest moment in Royal navy history
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
I was planing on naming a ship the Akagi, or one of the other Japanese Carriers. As my theme usually named after famous ships of war. To me the Akagi would be perfect for the new Fed Carrier.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Named mine Ark Royal.
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I use it to mean non-wooden ships.
I didn't say it did, I said the Enola TRIBBLE ended the war.
You think a devastating nuclear attack against civilian targets would be a thing Starfleet would name their exploration ships after especially in light of the Eugenics War/WWIII?
There have been about 30 British and French ships going by the name of Enterprise (or Enterprize) prior to the American warship.
Also, Starfleet vessels named after warships are in the minority. Most are named after concepts or famous probes, explorers, scientists etc. i.e. the way it should be.
No, I doesn't think it would be a good idea. I don't think naming any exploration ships after warships is a good idea. If the Federation had a navy they maybe, or it it only happened in the Dominion war or something.
But as it stands I find it hard to take seriously the idea of a ship named the U.S.S. Bismarck on its ongoing mission to seek out new worlds and new civilisations.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Well it was not strictly a "civilian target" as you are trying to imply, but ending a world war is not a worthy enough achievement for you? Ending the war in 1945 saved millions of lives, including millions of mainland Japanese civilians that would have sacrificed themselves during a ground invasion.
Maybe I wasnt clear, I meant am not sure the NCC-1701 would still be called Enterprise if it wasnt for the WW2 one, it was supposed to be the Yorktown instead.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Constitution_class#Footnotes
Speaking of names, Star Trek production teams, which have much better idea of Star Trek than any of us here, named a ship Akagi(supposed to be a Rigel class, but then the Rigel class concept is scrapped and the sistership Zhukov became Ambassador class), a Galaxy as Yamato, poor Hood that all the WW2 german weapon fanboy will bring up to beat the dead horse, unknown ship Musashi in DS9, then there is a bunch of american WARships... I am not discussing the number of ship having a warship name and number of ship that doesnt, I am pointing out that Starfleet have no problem namning there ships after warships
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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If I ever got the Jupiter, I'd probably name her Tiger's Claw.
I just recently got a Xindi-Primate Dreadnaught Cruiser I named Concordia.
Cybercookie if anyone knows where I got Tiger's Claw from.
As i mentioned before by the end of WW2 USS Enterprise, the big E , lucky E was redesignated CVN-6 to include its night time opperations.
And Fyi the grey ghost was not the enterprise that was the RMS Queen Mary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Queen_Mary
Just wanted to correct some of the historical mistakes this thread has made.
The Big E, the Luck E, the Grey Ghost, and the Galloping Ghost were all nicknames for the CV-6 temporarily CV(N)-6.
Considering that Starfleet embodied the naval traditions of old Earth in Kirk's time, and warfighting is part of Starfleet's mission, naming vessels after warships, battles, famous military personnel, etc. is more than appropriate.
Dude could you tone down your avatar special effects? I could care less for the gun but the bright lights is making me epileptic and I never had an attack
Well, since you asked nicely......
Granted the Sasebo Naval district is in Nagasaki, but I don't think 1945 japan have any resources to make it pose a threat anyway... It is pretty much a demonstration of firepower...
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Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
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Hiroshima was the location of some of Japan's remaining war industry after the incendiary bombings of Tokyo. It was also a Regional Army Headquarters, shipping hub, major military storehouse, and the Imperial Army Marine Headquarters.
It was very much a strategic target. The United States would not waste an expensive prototype weapon on just a "demonstration".