USS Enterprise CV 6 Yorktown Class (WW2 ship)

seaquest42 · December 2015

On three separate occasions during the Pacific War, the Japanese announced that she had been sunk in battle, earning her the name "The Grey Ghost". Enterprise earned 20 battle stars, the most for any U.S. warship in World War II and became the most decorated US ship of World War II.

You know this ship should be with the history of the Enterprises on the Fleet Starbase, for some reason she was excluded. I personally think this is not right. How about we ask cryptic to add this ship to the halls of history.

For those who don't know. CV 6 is a World War 2 carrier. Not to be with confused with CVN 65.

djxprime · December 2015

I actually did find that odd that she was left off the wall. I'm not sure if that was due to space or ignorance of her battle record.

gfreeman98 · December 2015

I concur.

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angrytarg · December 2015

Are battle records something Starfleet would honour, though?

artan42 · December 2015

Because there have been so many pre warp ships called Enteprise you have to be selective. The 1707 Enteprise and the CVN 65 where in two of the films.

khan1000 · December 2015

angrytarg wrote: »

Are battle records something Starfleet would honour, though?

She won the war against Japan.

angrytarg · December 2015

khan1000 wrote: »

She won the war against Japan.

Yes. Same point.

The CVN 65 was the first nuclear aircraft carrier, a flagship for technology so to speak and the space shuttle is a no-brainer to honour. The CV 6 did fight a lot but maybe that's the only redeeming quality. Age of sail Enterprises (as many as they were) could still fare under the romanticized spirit of "exploration".

I'm just theorizing here, but Starfleet and the UFP is all about inclusion. Honouring the vessel because it caused a lot of casaulties and destruction in wartime might be not something they'd do as it's a past they want to be behind them.

Of course almost all Enterprises always have been warships, I just tried to think of something that fits in the spirit here despite having to go out on a limb to make it count

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artan42 · December 2015

Stafleet has Japanese crewmembers. Would that be a good idea? Also the Enola TRIBBLE ended the war in the pacific. Good idea to name a ship after that?

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artan42 · December 2015

There have been several HMS Enteprises the 1707 one was famous enough to be included in the ENT credits and in Insurrection. They picked that one to represent the sail ships for its fame and the CVN to represent the ironclads.

angrytarg · December 2015

artan42 wrote: »

Stafleet has Japanese crewmembers. Would that be a good idea? Also the Enola TRIBBLE ended the war in the pacific. Good idea to name a ship after that?

Yes, my point

I couldn't think of those words, though

Aren't ironclads steam ships?

tomoyosakagami1 · December 2015

The Navy is constructing a new Ford Class Super Carrier, the 1st one is the U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford which is supposed to be commissioned somewhere in 2016, the 2nd Ford Class Super Carrier will be the U.S.S. John F. Kennedy which will be commissioned in 2020.

The 3rd planned Ford Class Super Carrier will be the CVN-80 U.S.S. Enterprise which should be commissioned by the year 2020. The last time a ship carried the name "Enterprise" was actually the one mentioned in the OP, CV-6 U.S.S. Enterprise Yorktown Class Carrier back in 1938 when it was first commissioned.

warmaker001b · December 2015

artan42 wrote: »

Stafleet has Japanese crewmembers. Would that be a good idea? Also the Enola TRIBBLE ended the war in the pacific. Good idea to name a ship after that?

I would figure that the super-enlightened Federation citizens on Earth would not about a war that occurred hundreds of years prior. Hell, Starfleet personnel can't even remember how Starfleet uniforms worked from a few decades prior.

You already have the USS Enterprise that has existed on several different ship classes.

There's also canon used:
USS Intrepid, which had a WWII use namesake that saw very heavy action in the war (especially considering Star Trek was a U.S. made show of the 60's).

USS Lexington - U.S. Revolutionary War source. Think about the British in the crews of Starfleet! Not to mention there were 2 USS Lexingtons in WWII, the first being sunk early in the war and a later Essex-class that saw heavy action against Japan.

USS Yamato? What would the old nationalities that fought Japan in WWII think?

Would anyone have cared in the timeframe of TOS onwards? Hell, do the humans on Earth even think of themselves in the dividing lines of nationalities, races from an old Earth that nearly destroyed itself to even bother to care?

hravik · December 2015

tomoyosakagami1 wrote: »

The last time a ship carried the name "Enterprise" was actually the one mentioned in the OP, CV-6 U.S.S. Enterprise Yorktown Class Carrier back in 1938 when it was first commissioned.

....wat? CVN-65 is/was the Enterprise too...she only deactivated 3 years ago.

farmallm · December 2015

artan42 wrote: »

Stafleet has Japanese crewmembers. Would that be a good idea? Also the Enola TRIBBLE ended the war in the pacific. Good idea to name a ship after that?

I don't see a problem. I have a Yamato, North Carolina, Bismark, Hood. All which was warships serving in World War II. My Fed Cruisers I wanted a theme to name them after those ships. Each main country involved was used.

StarFleet has a lot of ships named after warships.

farmallm · December 2015

angrytarg wrote: »

Are battle records something Starfleet would honour, though?

I don't see why not. During war battle records are always was to promote a ship, crew, or any participant of the combat.

bergins · December 2015

Maybe it should replace the Space Shuttle Enterprise. After all, the only reason it has that name is because Star Trek fans campaigned for it. Should a ship caused by a TV show be included in its canon? (I know, it is recognized in the opening of "Enterprise" but there are those who would like that entire show stricken...)

BTW, I still think it's funny, the first Shuttle was going to be the Constitution.

jorantomalak · December 2015

seaquest42 wrote: »

On three separate occasions during the Pacific War, the Japanese announced that she had been sunk in battle, earning her the name "The Grey Ghost". Enterprise earned 20 battle stars, the most for any U.S. warship in World War II and became the most decorated US ship of World War II.

You know this ship should be with the history of the Enterprises on the Fleet Starbase, for some reason she was excluded. I personally think this is not right. How about we ask cryptic to add this ship to the halls of history.

For those who don't know. CV 6 is a World War 2 carrier. Not to be with confused with CVN 65.

also by the end of the war she was known as CVN 6 she was the first carrier in the us navy to conduct night opperations.

cidjack · December 2015

I am confused, correct me if I am wrong, but TOS, and the movies to include TNG center around the star ship Enterprise. Not to mention a whole series named Enterprise. The ship display on the fed starbase are all real/fictional Enterprises.

So my question is this, what part did the Yorktown play on influencing Star Trek lore?

Is your suggestion to add it to the wall based on it's war record alone? If the answer is yes, why are you limiting your suggestion to only American ships?

Just wondering.

talonxv · December 2015

I think CV-6 should be included. Only carrier on active duty from day 1 to survive WWII. Saratoga was laid up at the time and IIRC didn't even get into the war until after Guadalcanal. She fought longer, did more gave more than any other carrier of WWII. Damn right she should be on that wall.

duncanidaho11 · December 2015

cidjack wrote: »

So my question is this, what part did the Yorktown play on influencing Star Trek lore?

The Yorktown class Enterprise (CV-6). The wall only has the later carrier (CVN-65) which can easily be argued to have had a less prominent role in history.

cidjack · December 2015

Note to self, reread posts before morning coffee.

Maybe the CVN-65 is included as it was the first nucleared powered aircraft carrier?

doubleohnine · December 2015

As a big Enterprise fan of the Navy ships, Im ashamed at myself for not realizing this sooner. OP is right. If we're being REAL here, CVN 65 was riding on the fame coat tails of CV 6. 65 didnt have to sail through war and hell with the legit possibility of being sunk. Sure 65 was involved in a few wars, but not naval wars. If its a matter of space, then I think the shuttle should go, and get CV 6 on the fleet starbase wall. The prototype shuttle didnt even carry out a real mission in space, certainly not active duty. Bravo OP for bringing this topic up.

duncanidaho11 · December 2015

cidjack wrote: »

Note to self, reread posts before morning coffee.

Maybe the CVN-65 is included as it was the first nucleared powered aircraft carrier?

Possibly, but it may also be worth going back to the Motion Picture and Enterprise to see what they used on their walls (since if it was only CV-65 too cryptic could have just been following the series' lead. Then the question is what the series had in mind.)

bergins · December 2015

Yeah, the ships on display might have something to do with what ships showed up in canon. The shuttle was in Enterprise's opening credits, CVN65 was in ST-IV, the 19th Century version was on the holodeck. What about CV6?

Oh, never mind: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CV-6)

"Captain Jonathan Archer kept a photograph of Air Group Ten, the members of whom served on the USS Enterprise in WWII, in his ready room aboard the Enterprise. ()

An illustration of this Enterprise was included in a gallery of ships named Enterprise on the recreation deck of the refit USS Enterprise. ()"

horridperson · December 2015

I think CVN-65 was included because she was featured in ST:TVH. Along with the other wall ships she has made appearances (however limited) in canon material. While the Yorktown was the name of the feature vessel in Roddenberry's first Trek script in 64' proposal it was rejected. Perhaps as a result it has been alluded to in the naming of other serving Trek ships within the franchise. I don't think the wall of ships is intended as a real world memorial nor the absence of the Yorktown Enterprise intended to slight or disrespect. It just depicts the canon lineage of the starship Enterprise.