I'm alittle disappointed with the boff layout and why they even bothered to let it use cannons. Would've been better to have a Lt. Com tact and change the Lt. Com Eng to Com Eng.
Wish it had 4/3 instead of 3/3, I don't like using ships with a 3/3 layout unless they're a proper science vessel like the Vesta. Don't like the design either, someone described it as being a pregnant version of the Prometheus. I wouldn't say that, but the saucer and hull is just too bloated compared to the size of the nacelles.
It is what it is, we'll just to wait and see when it comes out.
The new carrier could use a little uniqueness to separate it and make it a bigger seller.
Give it one of 3 extras: Sensor Analysis+2ndary Deflector, a 3rd Hangar, or a 4th Fore weapon. This thing is going to be huge (if it's as large as the old Jupiter; that thing was larger than an Odyssey; and the NPC Odysseys and the old NPC Jupiters are considered dreadnoughts), and it deserves a bit more to let it somewhat rival the dreadnought carriers without actually stepping on them and their advantage as Lobi/Lockbox ships outright.
- Sensor Analysis+2ndary Deflector will at least allow it to steadily debuff a target for its pets to focus on and benefit its Sci-centric setup.
- A 3rd hangar would help offset the 3/3 setup and allow it to remain competitive in its own way, as well as set the stage for a new class of carriers. Especially since hangar pet AI is rather terrible and the hangar pets in general have been nerfed hard. Basically, this option permits throwing more pets out there to offset the pet nerf and bad pet AI.
- A 4th Fore weapon would benefit the fact that this beast will need to turn to the fore on occasion to unleash the more offensive Sci skills, so it would allow squeezing in of a torpedo or DBB along the forward arc rather than going for a pure beam build.
The seating isn't a big deal, though it would be nice to upgrade the Lt Uni to LtC and downgrade the Lt Sci to Ensign. The Intel is a pretty good choice; get in, Grav Well, drop Ionic Turbulence, APB FAW, then let your pets feast on the floundering and weakened targets after the catch up. And assuming your carrier didn't already do their job .
I'm not going to be spending money on this. One it's fed only which is what it was designed by the community for. So gratz for feds getting another T6 ship. It's another sci ship for feds. Leaving the question previously asked for ages , where the heck are the sci ships T6 for kdf or rom ? ohh right neither faction has a single one at T6... Til that gets remedied I'm not spending coin on this. Nor does the ship stats present to me anything that would jump out and say hey I'm gonna roll a fed just for this ship ... So nope no sale.
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I was kinda fussed about the 3/3 wep layout at first. But then remembered that when you run a full beam boat, and you put 2 of the AP omni's on rear wep slots, its like having two extra fore weapons. So the carrier as a beam boat with the 2 omni's in aft will make it feel like it actually has a 5/3 layout and i'm good with that.
Can also do that with Tetryon now thanks to the Krenim set's Omni.
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Most carriers are a 3/3 build on weapons. With the exception of a couple. I usually turn my carriers into beam boats and usually throw in a torpedo for the extra punch. I never had issues with my carrier. And I let the fighters engage first and then open up. Most of the time I use the Breen and Obelisk. I got the Romulan from the gift week, but hadn't used it yet.
Who says a carrier should be only tactical based? It can play all kinds of roles. As a carrier is a very multipurpose ship. It can be used to explore, repairs, patrols, emergency situations, and battle. The role is nearly unlimited on what a carrier can do. In most fleets the carrier is usually the "Command" ship. So even in Space it can be used in that role as well for the RPers who likes doing fleet actions.
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After some discussion, we finally settled on making a Carrier. Starfleet players have access to plenty of Escort and Cruiser options, but not very many Science ships and even fewer Carriers. This gave us a perfect opportunity to fill that gap.
Uhm, the Romulans and KDF would like a word...
Umm the KDF and Romulans have a carriers kdf has 2 iirc maybe more, and roms have a scimatar that has drones that copy the enamy, so yea, its about time us feds get a carrier that is not a cat ship, and even that cat ship, its worthless all it can load is shuttles.
I do think they should move the fleet carrier to tie 2 not 4.
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Are you saying the Sarr Theln has the same as the Jupiter or the same as the Annorax?
same no, but compared with Jupiter.
and my bad to compare annorax with jupiter, annorax is other kind of ship, but just did a fast comparison cuz is very weird see a ship with a colossal huge size and 3 fore weapons, and my small icarus with 5 fore.
w/o count the hull points, check around people using the vonph for example with 60k hull points +/- (with that size!!!), and some others using escorts with the same hull points or more lol (ofc consoles, build, specialization influence it all, but still is funny).
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Umm the KDF and Romulans have a carriers kdf has 2 iirc maybe more, and roms have a scimatar that has drones that copy the enamy, so yea, its about time us feds get a carrier that is not a cat ship, and even that cat ship, its worthless all it can load is shuttles.
The KDF has 2 full size Carriers (2 hanger slot) in the Vo'Quv and Kar'fi. The Federation only had one in the Atrox.
Also the Atrox is not limited to "Just" shuttles. She can load peregrin fighters, Stalker stealth fighters, and Scorpion Fighters. I got a friend who made the Plasma Torpedo Spamtrox with 2 full wings of Elite Scorpions spitting out High Yield Plasma Torps as well as spitting out Romulan Hyper-Plasma. That thing was a weapon of Terror man.
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- Sensor Analysis+2ndary Deflector will at least allow it to steadily debuff a target for its pets to focus on and benefit its Sci-centric setup.
I have noticed several people asking for the 'true' science toys. Honestly, i'm actually surprised it DOESNT have them. At this point, i had just assumed that it's heavy SCI-focus was obviously indicating it really wants those powers.
If i hadn't been paying attention here, i would have bought it, then gotten pretty miffed to see that they were 'missing' from what is supposed to be a sci ship, even if it is a carrier too...
See, i was going to buy it until this moment, because i had planned to use it instead of my Vesta... But the Lack of SA or the Deflector are REALLY making a previously easy decision much harder..
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Umm the KDF and Romulans have a carriers kdf has 2 iirc maybe more, and roms have a scimatar that has drones that copy the enamy, so yea, its about time us feds get a carrier that is not a cat ship, and even that cat ship, its worthless all it can load is shuttles.
But of course it is! By the same logic that allows people to tell us that we can't complain about lack of science ships KDF/RRF side because we have the Nandi...and let us ignore that by their definition of 'carrier' (i.e. if the single bay of the scimi makes it a carrier, then all single bay ships are carriers) they're awash in them: Armitage/Alita, Gal-X/Yamato, Vesta/Rademaker/Aventine, Concorde/Presidio/Geneva, Atrox, Recluse, JHDC, Vonph, Narcine, and every other lockbox or event ship with a hangar (fair is fair; if the existence of the Annorax is the answer to KDF/RRF science vessels, then lockboxs are on the table for carriers).
Sigh. Don't have any Starfleet interest. Wish I had known a couple of seasons ago that other factions would be so ignored by their own developers.
It's only Monday. There are still plenty of days left in the week for the devs to announce any analogous KDF or RRW ships to be released concurrent to this one.
I was unreasonable optimistic earlier, but unless I vastly underestimate the power and influence of trendy, I think KDF and RRW Carrier is not coming this week. She mentioned she was working on convincing the devs, basically. (Which I think is really convincing the bean counters. I doubt the devs or artists lack ideas or interest in doing it.)
I'm working on trying to make another campaign that would have ships for our Romulan and KDF friends
As much as I appreciate your effort Trendy in getting a campaign going for the Rom and Kdf side of things
I would like to point out a few things
1, Why wasn't this already actually in the pipes, the development team far as im concerned as well as most of my fleet are very frustrated to see how little we have been thought of in recent years.
2, It created a mess doing the whole design your ship thing, specially since all we did was click on a picture we liked and did no other decision making process in the design contest, thus it just needs to be, this is what your going to get, take it or leave it.
3, Carriers are fine and dandy, but the KDF and Romulans need a couple of science vessels, its been shown in cannon throughout all the series that these "factions" did indeed have science, and as I pointed out several times, the idea of Romulans without more science ships when their ships are based on quantum singularity drives boggles the mind. (there is no engineering behind that drive, that is pure science)
Not too excited about another Science carrier. What would have been awesome was to use the last two designs-or variations thereof and create a three-pack (Science, Engineering, and Tactical) of carriers Might have been a little more work, but would have probably ended up with a lot more profit in the end for Cryptic while appeasing the fan base with whatever ship they want to fly and have fun flying.
Might have considered replacing my main's JHDC with one of these, if not for only having 3 fore weapons.
Might still get one for the two Fed Science chicks, though. I'm not really fond of any of the existing T6 Sci options (except the Annorax, which I can't get, of course) and those Vestas are looking shabby.
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I do agree that they could have atleast done three versions, or even just as i hope used some of the other design elements for ship parts to customize your carrier with. Like myself i liked the Gamma layout for the pylons/necelles an would love to have the option to use that layoput (even if i had to buy a pack or future ship.).
The problem as has been stated many times with the other factions is the lack of player-base in them to make creating ships on a regular basis for them profitable (most of all science ships that are less often good sellers). Before they make ships for the other factions they need to boost the populations of the factions to make them more competitive with the federation playerbase. That is why i am hoping we might see some romulan/Kdf specific content/promotions/events that are largely availible to all yet give more to the other two factions or those playing those factions to incentives players to play other factions. Even getting more players to get into the game.
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Wasn't last year. Everything was 20% off including the just released Pathfinder and bundle.
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I'm pretty meh about this ship. I dislike this thing almost as much as the Chimera. The appearance looks off but that's just opinion. I'd like for a real Eng based carrier instead of Sci that's either 4/3 or 3 hanger bays (preferably both). This ship will be outclassed by other C-Store ships for firepower and space wizardry so I'm not sure where the niche is beyond it is a T6 carrier. Will R/Builds still turn this into a beast? Probably but not as high as other toys out there.
I think the people that have been asking for a Jupiter (Typhoon guy here) since the beginning of this game wouldn't want it in this form. This was a very big, beastly ship that has come to your rescue in the campaign multiple times and obliterated everything in its' path. Now it's a meh carrier. I think that's what sits the most wrong with me. It doesn't live up to the legacy and wasn't worth waiting years for.
Might have considered replacing my main's JHDC with one of these, if not for only having 3 fore weapons.
Might still get one for the two Fed Science chicks, though. I'm not really fond of any of the existing T6 Sci options (except the Annorax, which I can't get, of course) and those Vestas are looking shabby.
What do you mean "looking shabby"
My Vesta will stand toe to toe with anyone, it wont win it all but that's ok, for a ship that's about 3 years old, it is still doing damn fine. Mind you I have an engineer flying it with 74k hull and 34k shield unbuffed and the lowest power level I have is engines at 65, aux is 120 (I chose to leave it there since I have red matter, and eps) shields is 85 and weapons are 80 doing just fine with grav well and subspace vortex with a spread 3 with that new quantum.
I'm pretty meh about this ship. I dislike this thing almost as much as the Chimera. The appearance looks off but that's just opinion. I'd like for a real Eng based carrier instead of Sci that's either 4/3 or 3 hanger bays (preferably both). This ship will be outclassed by other C-Store ships for firepower and space wizardry so I'm not sure where the niche is beyond it is a T6 carrier. Will R/Builds still turn this into a beast? Probably but not as high as other toys out there.
I think the people that have been asking for a Jupiter (Typhoon guy here) since the beginning of this game wouldn't want it in this form. This was a very big, beastly ship that has come to your rescue in the campaign multiple times and obliterated everything in its' path. Now it's a meh carrier. I think that's what sits the most wrong with me. It doesn't live up to the legacy and wasn't worth waiting years for.
I've been waiting for a playable Jupiter for quite some time, and honestly, I'm quite pleased with this.
Also, heya, guess what, the Obelisk is an Eng based carrier, so there you go.
Furthermore, I'm starting to suspect that the people whinging about the carrier not having a Secondary Deflector, or Sensor Analysis, or have a dozen other features, don't quite understand Carriers in STO.
Same goes for the people harping on it needing to be more "Tac" based or "Engine" based.
Guys, just gonna start off by saying, this is how basic Carriers have always been.
The perennial carriers, the Atrox and the Vo'Quv, are prime examples of what your basic carrier is going to be: big, full of HP, heavy Sci and Engie leaning, with decent enough Tac, and two hangar bays as well as Subsystem Targeting. The reasoning is that a Carrier is one of the most advanced vessels a defense force can field, with a slew of cutting-edge systems, and hundreds and hundreds of crew for support. Their weaponry is minimal, however they have the capacity to mount any kind of weapon there is. Their main offense comes from their twin hangar bays, which is the central hallmark of a true, full carrier.
The Kar'fi and the Obelisk switch this up by being Tac-oriented (Battle Carrier), and Engie-oriented respectively.
The Breen Sar'Theln is a slightly modified but still basic carrier, with a bit more of a Tac lean.
The Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier is a completely different beast, being first and foremost a Dreadnought, albeit one with two hangar bays instead of one.
The Jupiter, being the first T6 carrier, is not really going to deviate too much from the established baseline of the type, as it has to set the standard.
As such, it doesn't.
But being a T6 ship, it has to have a trait and a Specialization seat, which is pretty much the only thing that truly separates it from its lower-tiered cousins.
Well, that, and the absolutely insane amount of HP that stupid thing has.
Has anyone not noticed? Literally the only thin beating it out in the HP department seems to be the Voth Bulwark. And even then, by only a scant few hundred HP.
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Has anyone not noticed? Literally the only thin beating it out in the HP department seems to be the Voth Bulwark. And even then, by only a scant few hundred HP.
Careful. The STO wiki lacks the correct scaling for HP. The blog states the Jupiter comes with 52k base hull at lvl 60. The Andromeda has more than that but it also seems to be the only ship in the STO wiki having that stat. You have to compare the base HP of 44,200 at level 50, everything else is a percentual increase.
That's not really that impressive. It has roughly 1,000 to 7,000 less HP than a good bunch of other ships. While that's still upper class hull, the huge Jupiter has only a mere 1,075 HP more than the Arbiter (T6 Avenger) Battlecruiser. None amount of HP makes a whole lot of difference int he current meta, but it's not as impressive as it maybe should be.
EDIT: I'm assuming the STO wiki gives the correct lvl 50 base HP, there doesn't seem to be a retraceable process behind it
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Sigh. Don't have any Starfleet interest. Wish I had known a couple of seasons ago that other factions would be so ignored by their own developers.
It's only Monday. There are still plenty of days left in the week for the devs to announce any analogous KDF or RRW ships to be released concurrent to this one.
I was unreasonable optimistic earlier, but unless I vastly underestimate the power and influence of trendy, I think KDF and RRW Carrier is not coming this week. She mentioned she was working on convincing the devs, basically. (Which I think is really convincing the bean counters. I doubt the devs or artists lack ideas or interest in doing it.)
I'm working on trying to make another campaign that would have ships for our Romulan and KDF friends
Unless you have some way to only allow KDF or RRW players vote on the KDF or RRW ships, I fear your poll will be 75% trolling.
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Wish it had 4/3 instead of 3/3, I don't like using ships with a 3/3 layout unless they're a proper science vessel like the Vesta. Don't like the design either, someone described it as being a pregnant version of the Prometheus. I wouldn't say that, but the saucer and hull is just too bloated compared to the size of the nacelles.
It is what it is, we'll just to wait and see when it comes out.
Give it one of 3 extras: Sensor Analysis+2ndary Deflector, a 3rd Hangar, or a 4th Fore weapon. This thing is going to be huge (if it's as large as the old Jupiter; that thing was larger than an Odyssey; and the NPC Odysseys and the old NPC Jupiters are considered dreadnoughts), and it deserves a bit more to let it somewhat rival the dreadnought carriers without actually stepping on them and their advantage as Lobi/Lockbox ships outright.
- Sensor Analysis+2ndary Deflector will at least allow it to steadily debuff a target for its pets to focus on and benefit its Sci-centric setup.
- A 3rd hangar would help offset the 3/3 setup and allow it to remain competitive in its own way, as well as set the stage for a new class of carriers. Especially since hangar pet AI is rather terrible and the hangar pets in general have been nerfed hard. Basically, this option permits throwing more pets out there to offset the pet nerf and bad pet AI.
- A 4th Fore weapon would benefit the fact that this beast will need to turn to the fore on occasion to unleash the more offensive Sci skills, so it would allow squeezing in of a torpedo or DBB along the forward arc rather than going for a pure beam build.
The seating isn't a big deal, though it would be nice to upgrade the Lt Uni to LtC and downgrade the Lt Sci to Ensign. The Intel is a pretty good choice; get in, Grav Well, drop Ionic Turbulence, APB FAW, then let your pets feast on the floundering and weakened targets after the catch up. And assuming your carrier didn't already do their job
Can also do that with Tetryon now thanks to the Krenim set's Omni.
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Who says a carrier should be only tactical based? It can play all kinds of roles. As a carrier is a very multipurpose ship. It can be used to explore, repairs, patrols, emergency situations, and battle. The role is nearly unlimited on what a carrier can do. In most fleets the carrier is usually the "Command" ship. So even in Space it can be used in that role as well for the RPers who likes doing fleet actions.
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same no, but compared with Jupiter.
and my bad to compare annorax with jupiter, annorax is other kind of ship, but just did a fast comparison cuz is very weird see a ship with a colossal huge size and 3 fore weapons, and my small icarus with 5 fore.
w/o count the hull points, check around people using the vonph for example with 60k hull points +/- (with that size!!!), and some others using escorts with the same hull points or more lol (ofc consoles, build, specialization influence it all, but still is funny).
The KDF has 2 full size Carriers (2 hanger slot) in the Vo'Quv and Kar'fi. The Federation only had one in the Atrox.
Also the Atrox is not limited to "Just" shuttles. She can load peregrin fighters, Stalker stealth fighters, and Scorpion Fighters. I got a friend who made the Plasma Torpedo Spamtrox with 2 full wings of Elite Scorpions spitting out High Yield Plasma Torps as well as spitting out Romulan Hyper-Plasma. That thing was a weapon of Terror man.
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I have noticed several people asking for the 'true' science toys. Honestly, i'm actually surprised it DOESNT have them. At this point, i had just assumed that it's heavy SCI-focus was obviously indicating it really wants those powers.
If i hadn't been paying attention here, i would have bought it, then gotten pretty miffed to see that they were 'missing' from what is supposed to be a sci ship, even if it is a carrier too...
See, i was going to buy it until this moment, because i had planned to use it instead of my Vesta... But the Lack of SA or the Deflector are REALLY making a previously easy decision much harder..
The Scimitard is NOT a carrier...
But of course it is! By the same logic that allows people to tell us that we can't complain about lack of science ships KDF/RRF side because we have the Nandi...and let us ignore that by their definition of 'carrier' (i.e. if the single bay of the scimi makes it a carrier, then all single bay ships are carriers) they're awash in them: Armitage/Alita, Gal-X/Yamato, Vesta/Rademaker/Aventine, Concorde/Presidio/Geneva, Atrox, Recluse, JHDC, Vonph, Narcine, and every other lockbox or event ship with a hangar (fair is fair; if the existence of the Annorax is the answer to KDF/RRF science vessels, then lockboxs are on the table for carriers).
As much as I appreciate your effort Trendy in getting a campaign going for the Rom and Kdf side of things
I would like to point out a few things
1, Why wasn't this already actually in the pipes, the development team far as im concerned as well as most of my fleet are very frustrated to see how little we have been thought of in recent years.
2, It created a mess doing the whole design your ship thing, specially since all we did was click on a picture we liked and did no other decision making process in the design contest, thus it just needs to be, this is what your going to get, take it or leave it.
3, Carriers are fine and dandy, but the KDF and Romulans need a couple of science vessels, its been shown in cannon throughout all the series that these "factions" did indeed have science, and as I pointed out several times, the idea of Romulans without more science ships when their ships are based on quantum singularity drives boggles the mind. (there is no engineering behind that drive, that is pure science)
Might still get one for the two Fed Science chicks, though. I'm not really fond of any of the existing T6 Sci options (except the Annorax, which I can't get, of course) and those Vestas are looking shabby.
The problem as has been stated many times with the other factions is the lack of player-base in them to make creating ships on a regular basis for them profitable (most of all science ships that are less often good sellers). Before they make ships for the other factions they need to boost the populations of the factions to make them more competitive with the federation playerbase. That is why i am hoping we might see some romulan/Kdf specific content/promotions/events that are largely availible to all yet give more to the other two factions or those playing those factions to incentives players to play other factions. Even getting more players to get into the game.
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How about no. See sig.
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I think the people that have been asking for a Jupiter (Typhoon guy here) since the beginning of this game wouldn't want it in this form. This was a very big, beastly ship that has come to your rescue in the campaign multiple times and obliterated everything in its' path. Now it's a meh carrier. I think that's what sits the most wrong with me. It doesn't live up to the legacy and wasn't worth waiting years for.
What do you mean "looking shabby"
My Vesta will stand toe to toe with anyone, it wont win it all but that's ok, for a ship that's about 3 years old, it is still doing damn fine. Mind you I have an engineer flying it with 74k hull and 34k shield unbuffed and the lowest power level I have is engines at 65, aux is 120 (I chose to leave it there since I have red matter, and eps) shields is 85 and weapons are 80 doing just fine with grav well and subspace vortex with a spread 3 with that new quantum.
Cool. I like the Voting Tournament. My choice for visuals did not win, but it was still fun to participate. I look forward to the next one.
(S)he probably means to change the Tier that the Fleet Carrier unlocks at.
I've been waiting for a playable Jupiter for quite some time, and honestly, I'm quite pleased with this.
Also, heya, guess what, the Obelisk is an Eng based carrier, so there you go.
Furthermore, I'm starting to suspect that the people whinging about the carrier not having a Secondary Deflector, or Sensor Analysis, or have a dozen other features, don't quite understand Carriers in STO.
Same goes for the people harping on it needing to be more "Tac" based or "Engine" based.
Guys, just gonna start off by saying, this is how basic Carriers have always been.
The perennial carriers, the Atrox and the Vo'Quv, are prime examples of what your basic carrier is going to be: big, full of HP, heavy Sci and Engie leaning, with decent enough Tac, and two hangar bays as well as Subsystem Targeting. The reasoning is that a Carrier is one of the most advanced vessels a defense force can field, with a slew of cutting-edge systems, and hundreds and hundreds of crew for support. Their weaponry is minimal, however they have the capacity to mount any kind of weapon there is. Their main offense comes from their twin hangar bays, which is the central hallmark of a true, full carrier.
The Kar'fi and the Obelisk switch this up by being Tac-oriented (Battle Carrier), and Engie-oriented respectively.
The Breen Sar'Theln is a slightly modified but still basic carrier, with a bit more of a Tac lean.
The Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier is a completely different beast, being first and foremost a Dreadnought, albeit one with two hangar bays instead of one.
The Jupiter, being the first T6 carrier, is not really going to deviate too much from the established baseline of the type, as it has to set the standard.
As such, it doesn't.
But being a T6 ship, it has to have a trait and a Specialization seat, which is pretty much the only thing that truly separates it from its lower-tiered cousins.
Well, that, and the absolutely insane amount of HP that stupid thing has.
Has anyone not noticed? Literally the only thin beating it out in the HP department seems to be the Voth Bulwark. And even then, by only a scant few hundred HP.
Looking at them it's essentially just a massive science ship so any of my builds from my Scryer should fit on it reasonably well with a few tweaks.
That trait sounds crazy though.
Careful. The STO wiki lacks the correct scaling for HP. The blog states the Jupiter comes with 52k base hull at lvl 60. The Andromeda has more than that but it also seems to be the only ship in the STO wiki having that stat. You have to compare the base HP of 44,200 at level 50, everything else is a percentual increase.
Jupiter: 44,200
Andromeda: 45,885
Command BCs: 47,437
Yamato: 45,998
Negh'Tev: 44,850
Jem Dread: 45,000
Breen: 48,300
Vonph: 50,250
Bulwark: 51,750
8472 Dromias: 48,300
Arbiter/Kurak: 43,125
That's not really that impressive. It has roughly 1,000 to 7,000 less HP than a good bunch of other ships. While that's still upper class hull, the huge Jupiter has only a mere 1,075 HP more than the Arbiter (T6 Avenger) Battlecruiser. None amount of HP makes a whole lot of difference int he current meta, but it's not as impressive as it maybe should be.
EDIT: I'm assuming the STO wiki gives the correct lvl 50 base HP, there doesn't seem to be a retraceable process behind it
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Unless you have some way to only allow KDF or RRW players vote on the KDF or RRW ships, I fear your poll will be 75% trolling.