Yes, SciFi writers lose sense of scale rather quickly, in both directions. However, both the alpha quadrant and beta quadrant are regularily considered "mostly unexplored" - there may be episodes where different things are claimed but it is usally considered that they don't span the whole quadrant(s).
About "facepalming": considering that STO uses as official a source as you will get on the topic (as has been said, the source material itself is highly contradictory), namely the "Star Charts" created by people who actually worked with that stuff on that show(s), anything you disagree with (and you don't have to be wrong: if one episode says so and another says otherwise, you will have to make a decision) is not a facepalm at STO but more at Star Trek continuity (or lack thereof) in general. (There are some issues like the placement of Vega, but that's a different story)
About asking questions: certainly more than welcome - you will find know-it-alls of course, but generally not so much. It is just surprising that a player with more than 1500 posts to his name in these forums brings up a topic that has been brought up numerous times already. And yes, searching for answers yourself before asking would probably reduce the amount of strange reactions here.
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I know the official explanation and I don't agree with it. There shouldn't be a "beta quadrant" in canon, given the sheer size of the galaxy there's no damned way a handful of powers with a few hundred worlds each cover fully half of it. No way in any kind of hell. The entirety of explored space that isn't accessed via wormhole (the Delta and Gamma quadrants) should be only a fraction of the Alpha Quadrant aka the area closest to Sol. Ever since TNG started the "oh, we're in mostly charted territory now since it's been a hundred years since the age of exploration in TOS" nonsense, the writers have lost all sense of galactic scale.
The Milky Way Galaxy is huge beyond easy imagining. The current estimate of star systems with planets in the habitable zone ranges between 20 billion and one TRILLION. The most common consensus estimate is somewhere in the 100 billion range. You tell me how the hell you can explore all that in a century or two? It can't be done. If you somehow visit one planet per day, every day for 100 years you've visited 36,500 planets which isn't even a drop in the bucket to the galaxy as a whole. Divided into four even quadrants, the standard estimate gives you 25 BILLION planets to explore in the Alpha Quadrant alone. I hope you have some time to kill, it's gonna take a while. Or basically forever. In a thousand years we won't have exhausted a full one percent of what's out there. It truly is the Final Frontier, for it is by human standards essentially endless. The job of exploring it all will be still ahead of us for generations uncounted, centuries upon centuries to come --and that's just a quarter of one galaxy, of which there are an estimated 100 billion of those!
The scale is beyond the human capacity to comprehend. You might as well call it infinity, because from our tiny perspective it is functionally identical.
The map ingame is extremely oversized, and shouldnt be taken seriously. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a beta quadrant in star trek at all. Remember in star trek, the sol system is on the border of the alpha and betta quadrants. It's not like they are are on the far side of the alpha quadrant, and mysteriously end up in the far side of the beta quadrant, they are in the middle of the two. The map ingame does not represent the actual star trek universe. The map would be VERY different if it actually was canon. This is a game, everything has been supersized to make things work better, we are not talking about the actual show here.
Well frankly the sector reboot wasn't nessecary. it was fine as it was. Most sources place Sol in Alpha and the majority of the Federation in Alpha. And the fact Kitomer was in Beta and a frontier planet leads to say the Klingon Empire is in Beta. SO all you facepalm me i facepalm STO more.
Sol system is not in alpha, and not in beta. It's on the border, which really should be common knowledge around here.
Place another Sol in the Alpha Quadrant next to the one in Beta and be done with it.
It's not that simple. It'll just start another fight on people debating on which side you come out on when exiting sol system.
I agree with both of you on your points. It topic is WAYYYYY to trival to complain about. To those who like to beat a dead horse over and over, keep doing it. It increases the chances of this topic being added to the F.C.T.
Tacofangs goes above and beyond in his job to provide a number of things in game. I KNOW a lot of players will stick up for him if you all keep attacking him.
The Main reason Sol is in the Beta Quadrant in this game, is because all of the tutorials take place in the Beta Quadrant and the Dev's didn't want new players having to search or getting confused about which area they had to travel to, too begin the first few missions.
The other reason is because it would have taken a considerable amount of time and effort to redo all the Transwarp Connections that currently are in the Beta Quadrant, to accommodate moving SOL to the Alpha Quadrant.
So..., TIME & MONEY are the culprits, neither of which PWE/Cryptic are willing to invest to give the OP what he wants.
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So I guess you're saying that 'Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is.'
And I believe you meant Sol is in the BETA Quadrant in this game.
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So I guess you're saying that 'Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is.'
And I believe you meant Sol is in the BETA Quadrant in this game.
Yeah, that's the ticket...
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I know the official explanation and I don't agree with it. There shouldn't be a "beta quadrant" in canon, given the sheer size of the galaxy there's no damned way a handful of powers with a few hundred worlds each cover fully half of it. No way in any kind of hell. The entirety of explored space that isn't accessed via wormhole (the Delta and Gamma quadrants) should be only a fraction of the Alpha Quadrant aka the area closest to Sol. Ever since TNG started the "oh, we're in mostly charted territory now since it's been a hundred years since the age of exploration in TOS" nonsense, the writers have lost all sense of galactic scale.
The Milky Way Galaxy is huge beyond easy imagining. The current estimate of star systems with planets in the habitable zone ranges between 20 billion and one TRILLION. The most common consensus estimate is somewhere in the 100 billion range. You tell me how the hell you can explore all that in a century or two? It can't be done. If you somehow visit one planet per day, every day for 100 years you've visited 36,500 planets which isn't even a drop in the bucket to the galaxy as a whole. Divided into four even quadrants, the standard estimate gives you 25 BILLION planets to explore in the Alpha Quadrant alone. I hope you have some time to kill, it's gonna take a while. Or basically forever. In a thousand years we won't have exhausted a full one percent of what's out there. It truly is the Final Frontier, for it is by human standards essentially endless. The job of exploring it all will be still ahead of us for generations uncounted, centuries upon centuries to come --and that's just a quarter of one galaxy, of which there are an estimated 100 billion of those!
The scale is beyond the human capacity to comprehend. You might as well call it infinity, because from our tiny perspective it is functionally identical.
The map ingame is extremely oversized, and shouldnt be taken seriously. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a beta quadrant in star trek at all. Remember in star trek, the sol system is on the border of the alpha and betta quadrants. It's not like they are are on the far side of the alpha quadrant, and mysteriously end up in the far side of the beta quadrant, they are in the middle of the two. The map ingame does not represent the actual star trek universe. The map would be VERY different if it actually was canon. This is a game, everything has been supersized to make things work better, we are not talking about the actual show here.
When and where was this beta quadrant stuff established? Because in DS9 and Voyager they referred to home space as the Alpha Quadrant, and as I said above with all the massive amount of space in space there's no logical reason to have the home space spread over two quadrants when there's not enough to fill more than .001% of one quadrant.
In this particular case, it's best to remember that all the Trek shows occasionally played fast & furious with the facts.
And... this is just a Game.
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Well frankly the sector reboot wasn't nessecary. it was fine as it was. Most sources place Sol in Alpha and the majority of the Federation in Alpha. And the fact Kitomer was in Beta and a frontier planet leads to say the Klingon Empire is in Beta. SO all you facepalm me i facepalm STO more.
That's how I understood it as well... now I discover the whole issue is more ambiguous, especially with how STO is made. Good to know more.
Also good to know what kind of a reception I would get if I asked a question on these forums. I think I will keep my questions to myself.
actually generally you would get a positive response. However if you asked a question that's in the list of FAQs... yeah... it's been asked... over... and over... and over... and over...
When and where was this beta quadrant stuff established? Because in DS9 and Voyager they referred to home space as the Alpha Quadrant, and as I said above with all the massive amount of space in space there's no logical reason to have the home space spread over two quadrants when there's not enough to fill more than .001% of one quadrant.
I am not really strong on primary sources (like which episode said what), but yes, DS9 and the Badlands (where Voyager left) are in the Alpha Quadrant, so Voyager wanting to return there makes sense.
However, Q'onos, Vulcan and some other worlds are established in canon (again, I am referring to secondary sources) to be in beta. And sometimes the whole empires/federations are in alpha. As has been said: contradictory. I suggest to read up a little on Memory Alpha about the inconsistencies.
And from an Earth centric view it does make sense to have Sol at the border. Over the centuries, people have either called themselves the center of the world (in which Sol would probably have defined the center of alpha) or divided the world into "West of us" and "East of us", putting themselves at the border of these regions. So when Sol stellar cartographers say "that way we call Alpha and that way we call Beta" we end up with stuff like this.
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Well frankly the sector reboot wasn't nessecary. it was fine as it was. Most sources place Sol in Alpha and the majority of the Federation in Alpha. And the fact Kitomer was in Beta and a frontier planet leads to say the Klingon Empire is in Beta. SO all you facepalm me i facepalm STO more.
That's how I understood it as well... now I discover the whole issue is more ambiguous, especially with how STO is made. Good to know more.
Also good to know what kind of a reception I would get if I asked a question on these forums. I think I will keep my questions to myself.
Actually, you can ask a question and usually get a decent answer. However, when you ask a question that has been asked many, MANY, MANY times before. This question comes up about once a month, and has been answered so many times that the community is tired of answering it. If the OP doesn't like or agree with the answer does not invalidate the answer, and that is part of the reason this question gets the reaction it does when it comes back up again. Which of course is something a simple search of the forums would have revealed prior to their post.
However, in the case of your questions that you are now reluctant to ask, do a forum search, and if the question is not there, ask it. There are many in this community who do answer questions, and do it well.
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When and where was this beta quadrant stuff established? Because in DS9 and Voyager they referred to home space as the Alpha Quadrant, and as I said above with all the massive amount of space in space there's no logical reason to have the home space spread over two quadrants when there's not enough to fill more than .001% of one quadrant.
I am not really strong on primary sources (like which episode said what), but yes, DS9 and the Badlands (where Voyager left) are in the Alpha Quadrant, so Voyager wanting to return there makes sense.
However, Q'onos, Vulcan and some other worlds are established in canon (again, I am referring to secondary sources) to be in beta. And sometimes the whole empires/federations are in alpha. As has been said: contradictory. I suggest to read up a little on Memory Alpha about the inconsistencies.
And from an Earth centric view it does make sense to have Sol at the border. Over the centuries, people have either called themselves the center of the world (in which Sol would probably have defined the center of alpha) or divided the world into "West of us" and "East of us", putting themselves at the border of these regions. So when Sol stellar cartographers say "that way we call Alpha and that way we call Beta" we end up with stuff like this.
Sorry, but no it still makes no damned sense whatsoever. Sure, Starfleet would logically place Sector O1 (or 00) in the Sol System as that's where Headquarters is, but that doesn't make sense with a Quadrant system like we have. There are by definition four quadrants, and if Earth was the center then the divider would look like a + sign over the Arctic (or Sol itself) perpendicular to the planetary orbital plane. It's absolutely stupid to have quadrant A and B with the border running through planet home and quadrants C and D off somewhere else. It makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever. Even on Earth we've divided the globe into 4, North and South hemispheres and East and West hemispheres. In fact, if you place Earth at the center it makes more sense to use hemi-quadrants since you have the Z axis to account for as well. Regardless, as I said two quadrants with Earth at the center and the others off somewhere else cannot be parsed logically period.
So. We have Sector 01 (Sol System) and four Galactic Quadrants. Not only does making Earth the center of the Quadrant system make no sense for the reason I stated above, it's also stupid because it means dividing a galaxy into unequal parts based on the position of a mobile object. It's blatantly stupid and it would never get past the logical Vulcans or the prideful Andorians and Tellarites. Moreover, it's overwhelmingly likely that the Federation inherited it's basic starmapping system from the Vulcans who had been exploring space for centuries prior to humans even hitting the Industrial Age and there's no purpose in pissing off your new allies and making more work for yourself and everyone else by throwing out perfectly good maps to make new geocentric ones. Which is why I think the concept is bad, the writers never thought it through (and were contradicting each other left and right anyhow) and it needs to be retconned. Here's what I propose to take its place.
There are TWO systems of starmapping. The first, and public, one is based on four Galactic Quadrants divided by the one fixed point in the galaxy relative to everything else, the galactic center. So, everything in the "home" area of space including the Federation, Klingon Empire, Romulan Star Empire, and everything we've ever seen that isn't specifically stated to be Somewhere Else (tm) like the Delta Quadrant is situated in a cone radiating out from galactic center and encompassing a full 1/4rth of the galactic circumference. The maps in this system are positional, a 3d plotting of where stars are relative to one another, the galactic plane, and galactic center. All numerical position data is based on distance from galactic center (x axis), position along the galactic curve relative to the agreed upon quadrant lines (y axis) and above or below the central galactic plane (z axis) and measured in a unit of distance based on the speed of light. Using that, if you know the position of the quadrant lines and units of measurement OR relative distance and direction from known stars you can figure out where you are from anywhere.
The shape of this would be a lozenge encompassing the galactic disc, tapering towards the edges and bulging in the center. It would from "above" be divided into four equal parts with a + shaped intersection at dead galactic center. It would also be divided horizontally into above and below the plane of the galactic disc. Logical and orderly and uses a reference point common no matter where you are in galactic space. The Vulcans would settle for nothing less.
The second system would be a Sector system used only by Starfleet. The center, Sector 01, would be a cube or rectangle encompassing the Sol system. Sectors of equal size would surround that central sector like the blocks of a Rubik's Cube. They would be numbered /labeled similarly and the system would extrapolate from there, building block by block until you hit empty space. This system would be classified and always kept encoded so that no hostile power could simply gather a few of your coordinates and figure out right where home base is.
Honestly, someone should have figured this out long ago. Keeping to how poor writers misused terms and didn't map in any way that makes sense (dammit man, they're writers, not astronomical cartographers!) is just a recipe for confusion and foolishness.
We have proof Aliens exist on Earth, this wall of text had to be written by a Vulcan.
Seriously, Star Trek is entertainment that has been presented on different mediums. No need to go full nerd.
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This is the internet, a Star Trek corner of it at that. It's nerds all the way down.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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First of all, Sol is not at the crosshair of the four sectors. If you wanted to divide the galaxy into 4 sectors (and you actually can ignore the z axis, since its dimension pales in comparison to the other two) you would have to put the meeting point at the galactic core. After you have done that, you would have to make two perpendicular cuts to get your four sectors. The second one thus is defined by the first but the first one is completely arbitrary. So if you are Sol centric you have two possibilities: make sol the center of one of the quadrants (when we are going along the circle, Sol will never be central considering distance from the core) or let one of the dividing lines run through it.
Similar with your eastern and western hemispheres on earth, they are completely arbitrary and stem from the fact that it is a European definition. Were it made by the Chinese, the Americas would probably form the very east and not be western at all. And since the west-east division is centered in London, the easternmost part of Russia actually is in the western hemisphere.
The fact that you wouldn't do it does not mean that it makes "no sense". And the sectors do not have anything to do with the quadrants. But even if we agreed that it made no sense (I would argue about the naming of the quadrants before that, since every field of science I know would make it so that alpha touches beta touches gamma touches delta touches alpha again, but not in Star Trek) it wouldn't matter, since it just is what the producers of Star Trek did. And this is nothing that STO can change because it is "more logical".
Arguing this is like arguing whether Hermione should have been in House Ravenclaw. You may have a point when considering what was said about the qualities of the houses but fact is, within the fictional universe of Harry Potter she is a Gryffindor. And within the fictional universe of Star Trek, Sol is at the border of alpha and beta quadrants. Except for when it isn't because inconsistencies. But the three-quarter official star charts of Star Trek show it there. Or arguing that the name "Greenland" makes no sense (yes, it was greener when named but not outstandingly so). Go back in time and argue it before the fact was established, in our case maybe ask Roddenberry back in the 60s. Now it is too late.
Edit way later: two annoying typos I made and just noticed
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Well frankly the sector reboot wasn't nessecary. it was fine as it was. Most sources place Sol in Alpha and the majority of the Federation in Alpha. And the fact Kitomer was in Beta and a frontier planet leads to say the Klingon Empire is in Beta. SO all you facepalm me i facepalm STO more.
Oh, it's you. I thought you skipped out a long time ago.
Good to see that you'll still argue with a sign post.
The devs have cited their reasons why. And just about every map I've seen has Sol sitting right on the line between quadrants.
Why is the Sol system in the BETA quadrant? It's supposed to be Alpha.
are you new player or you will just asking this question every few months?
Note been doing alot of dil grinding at the dyson sphere's and just noticed now so i asked since the shows have always placed Earth and the bulk of the Federation in the ALPHA Quadrant. I felt the need to asked.
Well frankly the sector reboot wasn't nessecary. it was fine as it was. Most sources place Sol in Alpha and the majority of the Federation in Alpha. And the fact Kitomer was in Beta and a frontier planet leads to say the Klingon Empire is in Beta. SO all you facepalm me i facepalm STO more.
Oh, it's you. I thought you skipped out a long time ago.
Good to see that you'll still argue with a sign post.
The devs have cited their reasons why. And just about every map I've seen has Sol sitting right on the line between quadrants.
Ihaven't been on the forums in ages but still dil grinding.
To others in the thread, I find this frustrating as well, but there's no need to call the OP stupid or be mean to him/her. I totally understand WHY people keep asking this question. It causes no harm, and we can answer/correct these kinds of posts without resorting to name-calling.
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About "facepalming": considering that STO uses as official a source as you will get on the topic (as has been said, the source material itself is highly contradictory), namely the "Star Charts" created by people who actually worked with that stuff on that show(s), anything you disagree with (and you don't have to be wrong: if one episode says so and another says otherwise, you will have to make a decision) is not a facepalm at STO but more at Star Trek continuity (or lack thereof) in general. (There are some issues like the placement of Vega, but that's a different story)
About asking questions: certainly more than welcome - you will find know-it-alls of course, but generally not so much. It is just surprising that a player with more than 1500 posts to his name in these forums brings up a topic that has been brought up numerous times already. And yes, searching for answers yourself before asking would probably reduce the amount of strange reactions here.
The map ingame is extremely oversized, and shouldnt be taken seriously. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a beta quadrant in star trek at all. Remember in star trek, the sol system is on the border of the alpha and betta quadrants. It's not like they are are on the far side of the alpha quadrant, and mysteriously end up in the far side of the beta quadrant, they are in the middle of the two. The map ingame does not represent the actual star trek universe. The map would be VERY different if it actually was canon. This is a game, everything has been supersized to make things work better, we are not talking about the actual show here.
Sol system is not in alpha, and not in beta. It's on the border, which really should be common knowledge around here.
I agree with both of you on your points. It topic is WAYYYYY to trival to complain about. To those who like to beat a dead horse over and over, keep doing it. It increases the chances of this topic being added to the F.C.T.
Tacofangs goes above and beyond in his job to provide a number of things in game. I KNOW a lot of players will stick up for him if you all keep attacking him.
The other reason is because it would have taken a considerable amount of time and effort to redo all the Transwarp Connections that currently are in the Beta Quadrant, to accommodate moving SOL to the Alpha Quadrant.
So..., TIME & MONEY are the culprits, neither of which PWE/Cryptic are willing to invest to give the OP what he wants.
(Edited because I don't know my Alphabet)
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And I believe you meant Sol is in the BETA Quadrant in this game.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Yeah, that's the ticket...
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In this particular case, it's best to remember that all the Trek shows occasionally played fast & furious with the facts.
And... this is just a Game.
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actually generally you would get a positive response. However if you asked a question that's in the list of FAQs... yeah... it's been asked... over... and over... and over... and over...
I am not really strong on primary sources (like which episode said what), but yes, DS9 and the Badlands (where Voyager left) are in the Alpha Quadrant, so Voyager wanting to return there makes sense.
However, Q'onos, Vulcan and some other worlds are established in canon (again, I am referring to secondary sources) to be in beta. And sometimes the whole empires/federations are in alpha. As has been said: contradictory. I suggest to read up a little on Memory Alpha about the inconsistencies.
And from an Earth centric view it does make sense to have Sol at the border. Over the centuries, people have either called themselves the center of the world (in which Sol would probably have defined the center of alpha) or divided the world into "West of us" and "East of us", putting themselves at the border of these regions. So when Sol stellar cartographers say "that way we call Alpha and that way we call Beta" we end up with stuff like this.
Actually, you can ask a question and usually get a decent answer. However, when you ask a question that has been asked many, MANY, MANY times before. This question comes up about once a month, and has been answered so many times that the community is tired of answering it. If the OP doesn't like or agree with the answer does not invalidate the answer, and that is part of the reason this question gets the reaction it does when it comes back up again. Which of course is something a simple search of the forums would have revealed prior to their post.
However, in the case of your questions that you are now reluctant to ask, do a forum search, and if the question is not there, ask it. There are many in this community who do answer questions, and do it well.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Similar with your eastern and western hemispheres on earth, they are completely arbitrary and stem from the fact that it is a European definition. Were it made by the Chinese, the Americas would probably form the very east and not be western at all. And since the west-east division is centered in London, the easternmost part of Russia actually is in the western hemisphere.
The fact that you wouldn't do it does not mean that it makes "no sense". And the sectors do not have anything to do with the quadrants. But even if we agreed that it made no sense (I would argue about the naming of the quadrants before that, since every field of science I know would make it so that alpha touches beta touches gamma touches delta touches alpha again, but not in Star Trek) it wouldn't matter, since it just is what the producers of Star Trek did. And this is nothing that STO can change because it is "more logical".
Arguing this is like arguing whether Hermione should have been in House Ravenclaw. You may have a point when considering what was said about the qualities of the houses but fact is, within the fictional universe of Harry Potter she is a Gryffindor. And within the fictional universe of Star Trek, Sol is at the border of alpha and beta quadrants. Except for when it isn't because inconsistencies. But the three-quarter official star charts of Star Trek show it there. Or arguing that the name "Greenland" makes no sense (yes, it was greener when named but not outstandingly so). Go back in time and argue it before the fact was established, in our case maybe ask Roddenberry back in the 60s. Now it is too late.
Edit way later: two annoying typos I made and just noticed
Oh, it's you. I thought you skipped out a long time ago.
Good to see that you'll still argue with a sign post.
The devs have cited their reasons why. And just about every map I've seen has Sol sitting right on the line between quadrants.
http://i.imgur.com/CNsQWzj.jpg
I think you need this:
Note been doing alot of dil grinding at the dyson sphere's and just noticed now so i asked since the shows have always placed Earth and the bulk of the Federation in the ALPHA Quadrant. I felt the need to asked.
Ihaven't been on the forums in ages but still dil grinding.
You can take it up with Geoffrey Mandel if you'd like. - http://orig03.deviantart.net/b4fd/f/2014/260/9/0/star_trek_map_1_by_drofdemonology-d7zk1lb.jpg
To others in the thread, I find this frustrating as well, but there's no need to call the OP stupid or be mean to him/her. I totally understand WHY people keep asking this question. It causes no harm, and we can answer/correct these kinds of posts without resorting to name-calling.