There's word that there's a reworking going on. How much benefit it has for the Valiant/Kor remains to be seen. We might yet get a battlecloak set bonus for the Valiant and pho-torps for the Kor yet.
LOL, Feds still angry about their unrealistic expectations that they're demanding the B'Rel shouldn't get an Enhanced Battle Cloak. THE B'REL OF ALL THINGS!
You guys keep thrashing around wildly in the water. It's entertaining to watch.
The Romulans and Klingons spend their time making popcorn, to watch the Feds spend their time making demands
I'll say it again - nothing about the T6 Defiant's stats should have been a surprise to anyone.
I bought the T6 Kor BOP last night. Suited it up and took it out into space. The battle cloak in PVE is useless. Only lets you fire torpedoes which are generally kinetic damage anyway and if the target is shielded do minimal, if any, damage. The exception to this would be if you used the Anti-Proton based torpedo. That might have some impact. But to remain battle-cloaked the whole time to try and eliminate enemies like this would take too long for it to be practical.
I bought the T6 Kor BOP last night. Suited it up andtook it out into space. The battle cloak in PVE is useless. Only lets you fire torpedoes which are generally kinetic damage anyway and if the target is shielded do minimal, if any, damage. The exception to this would be if you used the Anti-Proton based torpedo. That might have some impact. But to remain battle-cloaked the whole time to try and eliminate enemies like this would take to long for it to be practical.
like with most things you build for it. and don't forget you can use some sci powers. hit with a good trop spread and grav well you can do alot, granted kor is not the best boat for partgen.
and it works fine as a normal bop.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
indeed, this is why the Star Trek franchise is very important, because the trek universe shows that it is possible to follow a different path than, simply follow the easy path of violence, crimes, etc
a world without money, damn' I'm in.
Gold-pressed latinum. I think the whole "world without money" was only really a thing in Star Trek IV right? It's been mentioned here and there after that but there's also all kinds of interstellar commerce going on with currency exchanged.
There's word that there's a reworking going on. How much benefit it has for the Valiant/Kor remains to be seen. We might yet get a battlecloak set bonus for the Valiant and pho-torps for the Kor yet.
I'd rather see a set bonus based on the quad cannons. Battlecloak might be sort of useful but it was its cannons that were iconic.
I'd rather see a set bonus based on the quad cannons. Battlecloak might be sort of useful but it was its cannons that were iconic.
They'll probably do neither.
I agree that a quad based set bonus would be more appropriate, I also agree that we are unlikely to see it. I wonder why now though? Is the Valiant not selling? It seems weird to me that they´d look at anything post release and make changes to it.
Oh gee, the awesome power of the United Nations to bring war criminals to justice is just incredible.
Ah, so the inability to enforce the rules means there are none?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Oh gee, the awesome power of the United Nations to bring war criminals to justice is just incredible.
I think many convicted war criminals from the Kosovo conflict might have strong feelings on this.
Here is the thing - human laws can be broken. And they are. They are not like the laws of nature, which you can't break. IN a way, the terms mean very different things. Human laws (any laws from sentiend beings) need rules on how to deal with people that violate them, and people that enforce these rules (which mostly means: "Stopping those that break the rules from breaking them further."
But that doesn't mean that just because people break laws, and sometimes they even get away with it, that there are no laws at all. The laws are there. And if you don't follow them, you take a risk that you will be punished for them, and it might be severely.
Most wars - even world wars - involve many parties. And there is no guarantee that, even if you still stand at the end of the war, that you're the most powerful one and can just rule yourself "innocent" or alter the laws to get away scot-free. And you still need to live with all the other people that were part of the war and still stood at the end, or all the people that weren't even part of the war in the first place. And if you behaved in a manner that they don't approve, and destroys their trust, you will face repercussions. Some severe, some not so.
Of course you can easily construct scenarios where the Federation would develop cloaking technology and use it, possibly even on a massive scale. Maybe even one where they would willingly commit genocide. (Hey, we actually had already all of that in Star Trek - the alternate timeline with the FED/KDF war, the Borg)
But you can also create a lot of scenarios where doing this is not the best course of action. (Heck, imagine the Federation was perpetrating genocide against, say, the Cardassians, and then Mission Farpoint happens...)
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Also, there are a lot of people on your own side which may not be too happy about you doing the very things they are fighting against. Not everybody thinks that torture or chemical warfare or similar may be the way to go. And thus, quite a few war criminals have faced repercussions from their own side.
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
My Reman SCI Captain can configure her Warbird so that her Battle Cloak / Enhanced Battle Cloak grants:
+45% bonus damage from decloaking / "Ambush Bonus"
23 second "Ambush" duration
11 seconds before recloaking is possible
Funny, I built a reman captain specifically for that combination myself, come out of cloak in the Feaht with SS3, devestating. Also a science captain cooincidentally, wanted something a little different to the standard AP:A style, scan makes for a reasonable substitute.
My Reman SCI Captain can configure her Warbird so that her Battle Cloak / Enhanced Battle Cloak grants:
+45% bonus damage from decloaking / "Ambush Bonus"
23 second "Ambush" duration
11 seconds before recloaking is possible
Funny, I built a reman captain specifically for that combination myself, come out of cloak in the Feaht with SS3, devestating. Also a science captain cooincidentally, wanted something a little different to the standard AP:A style, scan makes for a reasonable substitute.
The RRW are in their own league. TAC, ENG, SCI Captain, it doesn't matter.
Stealth Warfare with Warbirds having Battle Cloaks at the bare minimum, the array of powerful BOFF & Captain Traits found in the RRW faction, many of which have values that stack (the values that matter to this game's meta) puts the Roms/Remans head and shoulders above the Feds & KDF. This was so when LOR released in 2013. This is still so in 2015, a year after Delta Rising's release last October.
The RRW may have limited ship selection, worse total ships than even the KDF. But what they do have is quite good with some very powerful ships backed up by excellent BOFF & Captain trait combinations.
Could you please make your points without pretending to speak for everybody else? Because you don't, as this discussion already shows.
Really ,quit brown nosing. If you have no positive feed back to fix the Defiant ,Or no feed back at all pertaining to the defiant or the klingon or romulan ship. Find anthor form...
My Reman SCI Captain can configure her Warbird so that her Battle Cloak / Enhanced Battle Cloak grants:
+45% bonus damage from decloaking / "Ambush Bonus"
23 second "Ambush" duration
11 seconds before recloaking is possible
Funny, I built a reman captain specifically for that combination myself, come out of cloak in the Feaht with SS3, devestating. Also a science captain cooincidentally, wanted something a little different to the standard AP:A style, scan makes for a reasonable substitute.
The RRW are in their own league. TAC, ENG, SCI Captain, it doesn't matter.
Stealth Warfare with Warbirds having Battle Cloaks at the bare minimum, the array of powerful BOFF & Captain Traits found in the RRW faction, many of which have values that stack (the values that matter to this game's meta) puts the Roms/Remans head and shoulders above the Feds & KDF. This was so when LOR released in 2013. This is still so in 2015, a year after Delta Rising's release last October.
The RRW may have limited ship selection, worse total ships than even the KDF. But what they do have is quite good with some very powerful ships backed up by excellent BOFF & Captain trait combinations.
This.
On another note to the comment about getting a 2pc cannon buff for Defiant, they already did that with the pilot and the 3 pc console set.. Only reason I didnt opt for it was because 3 consoles on an escort is a waste compared to the other things that buff raw damage.
My Reman SCI Captain can configure her Warbird so that her Battle Cloak / Enhanced Battle Cloak grants:
+45% bonus damage from decloaking / "Ambush Bonus"
23 second "Ambush" duration
11 seconds before recloaking is possible
Funny, I built a reman captain specifically for that combination myself, come out of cloak in the Feaht with SS3, devestating. Also a science captain cooincidentally, wanted something a little different to the standard AP:A style, scan makes for a reasonable substitute.
So i Belive i have a really bad as? fix for the defiant...PUT THE QUAD CANNON ON FRONT and make it unremoveable than we would have 5forward and 3 rear weapons ,And it would not be OP,,,,,,BOOM ship sales good again .And i would buy it, THAN we are all happy ,,,,da da da .....Well trolls would not be they never are ....
Really ,quit brown nosing. If you have no positive feed back to fix the Defiant ,Or no feed back at all pertaining to the defiant or the klingon or romulan ship. Find anthor form...
Thing is: I do not think it needs to be fixed. You are again thinking that your opinion somehow would be everybody's. It isn't. You may consider that brown nosing but it isn't. It's just that I don't think the Defiant (or Valiant) has to be "the one ship" that gets it all.
And your points would be considered more seriously if you didn't use personal attacks on others, I guess.
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
I'm rocking and rolling in my Valiant, and I love the thing. I put the quads from the Sao Paulo on it along with a Wide-Arc DHC and a standard DHC, then added the phased quantum torpedo from "Sunrise." Rear has another PQ Torp, a phaser turret and a pahser omni-beam. Weapons are all MKXIV, but the consoles and everything else are either VR MKXIII or Fleet XIII.
It's a goddam beast. I went tearing in on a Tac Cube in a Borg RA alone and under cloak and went for a full alpha strike. EmPwr to Weapons, AuX2Batt, EPS Charge, Pattern Omega III, Overcharge Beam III, Rapid Fire III and High Yield III. Then decloaked, hit the Quantum Warheads and let a rip. Tore the shields down in under a second, dropped it's health to about 88%, then the something like fifteen torpedoes hit in a single, massive wave and blasted it to wreckage. Fight lasted about three seconds, it was fraggin' awesome.
I love this ship.
"So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again."
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
I'm rocking and rolling in my Valiant, and I love the thing. I put the quads from the Sao Paulo on it along with a Wide-Arc DHC and a standard DHC, then added the phased quantum torpedo from "Sunrise." Rear has another PQ Torp, a phaser turret and a pahser omni-beam. Weapons are all MKXIV, but the consoles and everything else are either VR MKXIII or Fleet XIII.
It's a goddam beast. I went tearing in on a Tac Cube in a Borg RA alone and under cloak and went for a full alpha strike. EmPwr to Weapons, AuX2Batt, EPS Charge, Pattern Omega III, Overcharge Beam III, Rapid Fire III and High Yield III. Then decloaked, hit the Quantum Warheads and let a rip. Tore the shields down in under a second, dropped it's health to about 88%, then the something like fifteen torpedoes hit in a single, massive wave and blasted it to wreckage. Fight lasted about three seconds, it was fraggin' awesome.
I love this ship.
From what I've seen of it in queues so far, it doesn't have any problems holding its own - or excelling.
I ran mine with STB folks and mine was just a BUZZSAW. Granted the 5-2 setup, but in a turn I got more turrets to shoot while I turn.
Do not regret buying the set at all.
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So i Belive i have a really bad as? fix for the defiant...PUT THE QUAD CANNON ON FRONT and make it unremoveable than we would have 5forward and 3 rear weapons ,And it would not be OP,,,,,,BOOM ship sales good again .And i would buy it, THAN we are all happy ,,,,da da da .....Well trolls would not be they never are ....
As long as the Kor and the Malem get that 5th slot too, it's a deal!
The defiant has 1 LcC ,as the other two ships have ,2 LcC bo s ,Thats strike 1 ,The defiant haveing two use a cloak console for cloak is strike 2 , it has the 4-3 weapons and the pilots have 5-2 so why would any one whos not a cryptic brown noser spend 30$ on it ? Strike 3. It is way underpowered as a escort it 's the DEFIANTit should be formitable , but its not .Adding the duad cannon as a nonremoveable 5th forward weapon , Would push us to buy it even with the 3 strikes it has .
I loved the old defiant and i couldnt wait to buy the new T6 pack to get all the ship ,but once i started looking it over .. well the mastery was scatter vollay only ,sorry not good enough.Mabey if it has rapid fire also ,,The torp console is said to be good as well as the klingon and romulan ships ,They look very good .But i play FED and i own almost all the fed ships in game the phanton and the pilots are far better than the defiant is .And i cant get pass the other ships have 2 LtCs when the defiant has 1 and 3 Lt ...That is a big handicap..Any way you look at if.
I'm really curious how this ship is doing sales wise.
I figured that even with the lackluster stats, that being a Defiant would push sales. So far though, I have seen a grand total of one of them in game.. I thought they would be everywhere.
I remember after all the backlash over the Hestia, I still saw them everywhere in game (I still do) but not a Defiant anywhere to be found. Of course, it's an uninformed opinion based on limited in game experience, but I'm really curious if sales are as bad on the Defiant as they appear to me.
I just bought em' for the Scatter Volley trait.
Pretty much have constant Scatter III or II up with it on my Nandi Turret boat.
Now it's even more wild fun.
Most fun I've had in game in a long time.
Tore up Red Alerts like it's nobody's business. Cubes dead in a blink of an eye. sphere's popping left and right...
Unlimited Scatter Volley....chainsaw'n everything in view. What a refreshing blast o' fun.
Try a turret boat today. Its a good day to Turret boat.
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Ah! the popcorn is done!
You bring the bloodwine, and I'm fully-stocked with ale. This seems to be going on for a while now.
like with most things you build for it. and don't forget you can use some sci powers. hit with a good trop spread and grav well you can do alot, granted kor is not the best boat for partgen.
and it works fine as a normal bop.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Could you please make your points without pretending to speak for everybody else? Because you don't, as this discussion already shows.
And may continue, pending the improvements they do make to the Valiant/Kor
I may even want to put some more popcorn in the microwave
Gold-pressed latinum. I think the whole "world without money" was only really a thing in Star Trek IV right? It's been mentioned here and there after that but there's also all kinds of interstellar commerce going on with currency exchanged.
I'd rather see a set bonus based on the quad cannons. Battlecloak might be sort of useful but it was its cannons that were iconic.
They'll probably do neither.
I agree that a quad based set bonus would be more appropriate, I also agree that we are unlikely to see it. I wonder why now though? Is the Valiant not selling? It seems weird to me that they´d look at anything post release and make changes to it.
If you believe otherwise you are a moron and destined to be exterminated.
Ah, so the inability to enforce the rules means there are none?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Here is the thing - human laws can be broken. And they are. They are not like the laws of nature, which you can't break. IN a way, the terms mean very different things. Human laws (any laws from sentiend beings) need rules on how to deal with people that violate them, and people that enforce these rules (which mostly means: "Stopping those that break the rules from breaking them further."
But that doesn't mean that just because people break laws, and sometimes they even get away with it, that there are no laws at all. The laws are there. And if you don't follow them, you take a risk that you will be punished for them, and it might be severely.
Most wars - even world wars - involve many parties. And there is no guarantee that, even if you still stand at the end of the war, that you're the most powerful one and can just rule yourself "innocent" or alter the laws to get away scot-free. And you still need to live with all the other people that were part of the war and still stood at the end, or all the people that weren't even part of the war in the first place. And if you behaved in a manner that they don't approve, and destroys their trust, you will face repercussions. Some severe, some not so.
Of course you can easily construct scenarios where the Federation would develop cloaking technology and use it, possibly even on a massive scale. Maybe even one where they would willingly commit genocide. (Hey, we actually had already all of that in Star Trek - the alternate timeline with the FED/KDF war, the Borg)
But you can also create a lot of scenarios where doing this is not the best course of action. (Heck, imagine the Federation was perpetrating genocide against, say, the Cardassians, and then Mission Farpoint happens...)
Funny, I built a reman captain specifically for that combination myself, come out of cloak in the Feaht with SS3, devestating. Also a science captain cooincidentally, wanted something a little different to the standard AP:A style, scan makes for a reasonable substitute.
The RRW are in their own league. TAC, ENG, SCI Captain, it doesn't matter.
Stealth Warfare with Warbirds having Battle Cloaks at the bare minimum, the array of powerful BOFF & Captain Traits found in the RRW faction, many of which have values that stack (the values that matter to this game's meta) puts the Roms/Remans head and shoulders above the Feds & KDF. This was so when LOR released in 2013. This is still so in 2015, a year after Delta Rising's release last October.
The RRW may have limited ship selection, worse total ships than even the KDF. But what they do have is quite good with some very powerful ships backed up by excellent BOFF & Captain trait combinations.
Really ,quit brown nosing. If you have no positive feed back to fix the Defiant ,Or no feed back at all pertaining to the defiant or the klingon or romulan ship. Find anthor form...
This.
On another note to the comment about getting a 2pc cannon buff for Defiant, they already did that with the pilot and the 3 pc console set.. Only reason I didnt opt for it was because 3 consoles on an escort is a waste compared to the other things that buff raw damage.
Nice
Thing is: I do not think it needs to be fixed. You are again thinking that your opinion somehow would be everybody's. It isn't. You may consider that brown nosing but it isn't. It's just that I don't think the Defiant (or Valiant) has to be "the one ship" that gets it all.
And your points would be considered more seriously if you didn't use personal attacks on others, I guess.
It's a goddam beast. I went tearing in on a Tac Cube in a Borg RA alone and under cloak and went for a full alpha strike. EmPwr to Weapons, AuX2Batt, EPS Charge, Pattern Omega III, Overcharge Beam III, Rapid Fire III and High Yield III. Then decloaked, hit the Quantum Warheads and let a rip. Tore the shields down in under a second, dropped it's health to about 88%, then the something like fifteen torpedoes hit in a single, massive wave and blasted it to wreckage. Fight lasted about three seconds, it was fraggin' awesome.
I love this ship.
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
From what I've seen of it in queues so far, it doesn't have any problems holding its own - or excelling.
Do not regret buying the set at all.
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As long as the Kor and the Malem get that 5th slot too, it's a deal!
I figured that even with the lackluster stats, that being a Defiant would push sales. So far though, I have seen a grand total of one of them in game.. I thought they would be everywhere.
I remember after all the backlash over the Hestia, I still saw them everywhere in game (I still do) but not a Defiant anywhere to be found. Of course, it's an uninformed opinion based on limited in game experience, but I'm really curious if sales are as bad on the Defiant as they appear to me.
Pretty much have constant Scatter III or II up with it on my Nandi Turret boat.
Now it's even more wild fun.
Most fun I've had in game in a long time.
Tore up Red Alerts like it's nobody's business. Cubes dead in a blink of an eye. sphere's popping left and right...
Unlimited Scatter Volley....chainsaw'n everything in view. What a refreshing blast o' fun.
Try a turret boat today. Its a good day to Turret boat.