I just bought em' for the Scatter Volley trait.
Pretty much have constant Scatter III or II up with it on my Nandi Turret boat.
Now it's even more wild fun.
Most fun I've had in game in a long time.
Tore up Red Alerts like it's nobody's business. Cubes dead in a blink of an eye. sphere's popping left and right...
Unlimited Scatter Volley....chainsaw'n everything in view. What a refreshing blast o' fun.
Try a turret boat today. Its a good day to Turret boat.
I figured that even with the lackluster stats, that being a Defiant would push sales. So far though, I have seen a grand total of one of them in game.. I thought they would be everywhere.
I needed just a few mins on 2 chars to unlock the trait.
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I'm really curious how this ship is doing sales wise.
I figured that even with the lackluster stats, that being a Defiant would push sales. So far though, I have seen a grand total of one of them in game.. I thought they would be everywhere.
I remember after all the backlash over the Hestia, I still saw them everywhere in game (I still do) but not a Defiant anywhere to be found. Of course, it's an uninformed opinion based on limited in game experience, but I'm really curious if sales are as bad on the Defiant as they appear to me.
Well, I've seen several Defiants other than my own in game,so I think it's ultimately pretty random.
It's a bit small, though, like the Pilot ships, it takes some time to recognize them. At least for me. Maybe I am getting old.
(BUt I definitely also saw pilot ships around... I miss doing the happy side roll with fireworks.)
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The defiant has 1 LcC ,as the other two ships have ,2 LcC bo s ,Thats strike 1 ,The defiant haveing two use a cloak console for cloak is strike 2 , it has the 4-3 weapons and the pilots have 5-2 so why would any one whos not a cryptic brown noser spend 30$ on it ? Strike 3.
Apart from the - again - unnecessary attack on people with other opinions, these are not three strikes. Yes, each comparison in itself is valid and shows that other ships have strengths the Valiant does not have. But you are comparing it to different ships and are adding it up.
And this really is the heart of the matter. The answer is: why should it? Why should the Defiant (or Valiant as it stands) be "more formidable" than everything else?
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
im disapointed in cryptic devs for the lack of balancing
no 5/2 setup
no pilot meneuvers
no cloak
no "special" item such as quad cannons, dual quantums anyone ?
bad set bonuses with useles cloak console
nothing to compensate anything we lost above, the trait is ok, the console is meh... one more boff ability and im fine to compensate pilot escorts, thanks
im disapointed in cryptic devs for the lack of balancing
no 5/2 setup
no pilot meneuvers
no cloak
no "special" item such as quad cannons, dual quantums anyone ?
bad set bonuses with useles cloak console
nothing to compensate anything we lost above, the trait is ok, the console is meh... one more boff ability and im fine to compensate pilot escorts, thanks
I think it's more that you're disappointed because the Devs were reasonable with how they balanced the ship.
The Valiant isn't much more than the T5 Defiant (as is the general trend with T6 refits), and giving it a different weapons layout or changing the nature of the cloak would've made it off-balance with the other avaialble ships. Not only that, giving it Pilot abilities would've been very much off balance, given that no other ships besides the specialized Intel, Command, and Pilot ship sets have their respective unique abilities.
If the Valiant were given Pilot abilities, it would be the first and only non-specilized ship to have the specialized abilities. That would be anything but balanced.
And this really is the heart of the matter. The answer is: why should it? Why should the Defiant (or Valiant as it stands) be "more formidable" than everything else?
It shouldn't. I actually think that the Defiant (Valiant) is a good representation of what we saw in the DS9 series.
And judging by some comments made in this thread (and others pertaining to the same subject) I think that some players shoudl probably wanted the Starfleet equivalent of a T6 Scimitar.
Sounds about right. Many wanted a completely absurd DPS machine to further skew things out of whack. The Valiant is a specialist ship. A well and true escort meant to high speed strafing and attacks of opportunity as part of a team, not an unstoppable lone-wolf.
It plays completely different to my Hestia, which I use for high-speed boradsides and play like an insane light cruiser that stays in the fray and can do so because of it's expanded engineering and science capability. Try doing that in a Valiant, and you'll end up respawning rather frequently.
"So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again."
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
I'm rocking and rolling in my Valiant, and I love the thing. I put the quads from the Sao Paulo on it along with a Wide-Arc DHC and a standard DHC, then added the phased quantum torpedo from "Sunrise." Rear has another PQ Torp, a phaser turret and a pahser omni-beam. Weapons are all MKXIV, but the consoles and everything else are either VR MKXIII or Fleet XIII.
It's a goddam beast. I went tearing in on a Tac Cube in a Borg RA alone and under cloak and went for a full alpha strike. EmPwr to Weapons, AuX2Batt, EPS Charge, Pattern Omega III, Overcharge Beam III, Rapid Fire III and High Yield III. Then decloaked, hit the Quantum Warheads and let a rip. Tore the shields down in under a second, dropped it's health to about 88%, then the something like fifteen torpedoes hit in a single, massive wave and blasted it to wreckage. Fight lasted about three seconds, it was fraggin' awesome.
I love this ship.
Something isn't right here... can you spot it? Where's Waldo(s)?
Overall, AND working within the established pattern of T5-U to T6 ship transitions, the ship and set bonus could have been designed better.
For the Jack-of-all-trades escorts (w/ the Romulan being sci-leaning), a seating that had X/Uni would have had a more universal appeal, fit in w/ canon, and NOT be OP while still remaining true to the "theme" for these ships. For the Valiant specifically, a slight seat re-arrangement and console + set bonus re-work would have made this look much less meh, and much more, "YEAH!" for a lot of people.
The Kor console (photons, please) + set bonus re-work does need a re-visit. Please talk to QWhip whenever he's online for suggestions. Also, would it kill anyone (aside from its targets) to have FIVE Tac Consoles for the fleet variant?
Please address the Romulan set bonus functionality.
It doesn't need to be OP, it just needed to be polished and stand out of the crowd. There's a review in process, and I hope that they have taken the good suggestions that were mentioned into serious consideration. This doesn't need a 5/2 layout or Pilot Maneuvers, but it does need some adjustments made to it to say, "Yea, I want that ship!".
im disapointed in cryptic devs for the lack of balancing
no 5/2 setup
no pilot meneuvers
no cloak
no "special" item such as quad cannons, dual quantums anyone ?
bad set bonuses with useles cloak console
nothing to compensate anything we lost above, the trait is ok, the console is meh... one more boff ability and im fine to compensate pilot escorts, thanks
I think it's more that you're disappointed because the Devs were reasonable with how they balanced the ship.
The Valiant isn't much more than the T5 Defiant (as is the general trend with T6 refits), and giving it a different weapons layout or changing the nature of the cloak would've made it off-balance with the other avaialble ships. Not only that, giving it Pilot abilities would've been very much off balance, given that no other ships besides the specialized Intel, Command, and Pilot ship sets have their respective unique abilities.
If the Valiant were given Pilot abilities, it would be the first and only non-specilized ship to have the specialized abilities. That would be anything but balanced.
... i just want something similar, im not asking for all of it, im asking for one thing. I just want atleast something that performs at the same level as we expect it. Else this post wouldnt have 12 pages
Big kudos to the Devs for acknowledging this too; as I said earlier, the limited functionality of the Valiant set-bonus is possibly the one thing that pretty much everyone is signing off the same hymn sheet about.
Yeah it's what bothered me the most as well, I wouldn't mind a barrel roll, but, the fact that in order to take advantage of the 2 piece bonus means I have to cloak (when its not a battle cloak is very limiting) basically at the start of a combat phase or between some long drawn out wait phase. Granted it can be done, but I think the 2 piece bonus could be redone to allow for a non cloak bonus, the t6 tvaro had a 3 piece different set bonus, so now I am eagerly waiting to see what if anything is said and done. Thanks to the devs for listening, just now wish they would start visiting us here in their own forums more often again.
I think the most important thing that could be added to the valiant are pilot maneuvers, even more than the 5/2 setup. In essence, the difference between a 5/2 and a 4/2 setup is about a turret´s worth of front firing DPS. Its not that much, its mad eup in the Alita by its hangar bay and in the Hestia by having access to lt cmdr sci abilities (throw in all hands on deck and its nearly twice as useful). If I had my pick, Id rather they added pilot maneuvers to the Valiant.
Of course, this is Cryptic we´re talking about. I´d half expect them to make the set give a halfway decent bonus but saddle you with two or three console slots taken up with useless things like the Cloaking console.
I'm rocking and rolling in my Valiant, and I love the thing. I put the quads from the Sao Paulo on it along with a Wide-Arc DHC and a standard DHC, then added the phased quantum torpedo from "Sunrise." Rear has another PQ Torp, a phaser turret and a pahser omni-beam. Weapons are all MKXIV, but the consoles and everything else are either VR MKXIII or Fleet XIII.
It's a goddam beast. I went tearing in on a Tac Cube in a Borg RA alone and under cloak and went for a full alpha strike. EmPwr to Weapons, AuX2Batt, EPS Charge, Pattern Omega III, Overcharge Beam III, Rapid Fire III and High Yield III. Then decloaked, hit the Quantum Warheads and let a rip. Tore the shields down in under a second, dropped it's health to about 88%, then the something like fifteen torpedoes hit in a single, massive wave and blasted it to wreckage. Fight lasted about three seconds, it was fraggin' awesome.
I love this ship.
lol really bring it to pvp and watch what happends to your underpowered ship curtsey of the pilot ship...
Apart from the fact that I doubt that the Valiant will be "worse" by a large enough margin to make up for other variables, like equipment, powers, captain skill, traits, if you don't want to play PvP that is not important.
And again: why should the Valiant the ship that beats the others?
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
The best idea if heard to fix it is QUAD cannon up front as nonremoveable 5-3 weapons ,than you dont have to fix the other 4 or 5 let downs on ship .The quad cannon would not make it to OP,and the dps guys cant go all beam FAW and break the game . If you really think if over its a soild fix .That would put the defiant on equal footing as pilot and phantom ships.
We would like to buy the defiant ,We just would to see if worth it...The defiant did deserve better ,3 Lt bo's ...When the other ships have 2 LtC bo's ,,,That a very big advanage ,,,,
I've heard thru the grape vine that they are adjusting the defiant but not the others for the set effect instead of reduced cloak cool down it will have an enhanced dps calculator instead. The b'rel though will be getting a nerf tho its if you are hit by a cannon or beam while not cloaked your cd on your battle cloak will be increased by five minutes. The t'varo though will be getting 3 hangar's tho.
I've heard thru the grape vine that they are adjusting the defiant but not the others for the set effect instead of reduced cloak cool down it will have an enhanced dps calculator instead. The b'rel though will be getting a nerf tho its if you are hit by a cannon or beam while not cloaked your cd on your battle cloak will be increased by five minutes. The t'varo though will be getting 3 hangar's tho.
No Valiant battlecloak set bonus? Kor cloak waiting 5 minutes? What do you mean enhanced DPS calculator? Nevermind. I am just glad I didn't waste my zen on these piles of bak'tag! I won't ridicule anyone who gets them but for me, NEVER! If they're going into the back room to design ways to instead of making the Valiant better, to make the Kor worse, then they can forget it!
Do you have a double Picard facepalm handy in case they decide to bork the attack ship pack further instead of fixing it?
Some random guy on some forum "heard something through the grapevine" and people are up in arms. It's funny here but really annoying e.g. in "news" that aren't. So please check facts first before reacting. Especially since these claims are extremely outrageous, it heightens the possibility that they are not - in fact - true. And I guess that trill posted in jest.
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
lol really bring it to pvp and watch what happends to your underpowered ship curtsey of the pilot ship...
If I want to put up with the egos of PvP players, I'll go inflict CoD on myself.
"So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again."
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
I'm rocking and rolling in my Valiant, and I love the thing. I put the quads from the Sao Paulo on it along with a Wide-Arc DHC and a standard DHC, then added the phased quantum torpedo from "Sunrise." Rear has another PQ Torp, a phaser turret and a pahser omni-beam. Weapons are all MKXIV, but the consoles and everything else are either VR MKXIII or Fleet XIII.
It's a goddam beast. I went tearing in on a Tac Cube in a Borg RA alone and under cloak and went for a full alpha strike. EmPwr to Weapons, AuX2Batt, EPS Charge, Pattern Omega III, Overcharge Beam III, Rapid Fire III and High Yield III. Then decloaked, hit the Quantum Warheads and let a rip. Tore the shields down in under a second, dropped it's health to about 88%, then the something like fifteen torpedoes hit in a single, massive wave and blasted it to wreckage. Fight lasted about three seconds, it was fraggin' awesome.
I love this ship.
Something isn't right here... can you spot it? Where's Waldo(s)?
Probably several things, since I was going by memory at the end of a long workday. Also, the second PQ torp, since I double click to equip most things by reflex. Didn't realize that it just switched out the other one and that only one can be equipped anyway, because the devs hate fun. :P
"So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again."
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
Do you have a double Picard facepalm handy in case they decide to bork the attack ship pack further instead of fixing it?
Some random guy on some forum "heard something through the grapevine" and people are up in arms. It's funny here but really annoying e.g. in "news" that aren't. So please check facts first before reacting. Especially since these claims are extremely outrageous, it heightens the possibility that they are not - in fact - true. And I guess that trill posted in jest.
I kinda doubt it myself... sounds like way more work then cryptic would do for something like this.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
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Same here.
It’s a dream come true for cannon users.
I love it.
I needed just a few mins on 2 chars to unlock the trait.
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It's a bit small, though, like the Pilot ships, it takes some time to recognize them. At least for me. Maybe I am getting old.
(BUt I definitely also saw pilot ships around... I miss doing the happy side roll with fireworks.)
Apart from the - again - unnecessary attack on people with other opinions, these are not three strikes. Yes, each comparison in itself is valid and shows that other ships have strengths the Valiant does not have. But you are comparing it to different ships and are adding it up.
And this really is the heart of the matter. The answer is: why should it? Why should the Defiant (or Valiant as it stands) be "more formidable" than everything else?
no 5/2 setup
no pilot meneuvers
no cloak
no "special" item such as quad cannons, dual quantums anyone ?
bad set bonuses with useles cloak console
nothing to compensate anything we lost above, the trait is ok, the console is meh... one more boff ability and im fine to compensate pilot escorts, thanks
I think it's more that you're disappointed because the Devs were reasonable with how they balanced the ship.
The Valiant isn't much more than the T5 Defiant (as is the general trend with T6 refits), and giving it a different weapons layout or changing the nature of the cloak would've made it off-balance with the other avaialble ships. Not only that, giving it Pilot abilities would've been very much off balance, given that no other ships besides the specialized Intel, Command, and Pilot ship sets have their respective unique abilities.
If the Valiant were given Pilot abilities, it would be the first and only non-specilized ship to have the specialized abilities. That would be anything but balanced.
Sounds about right. Many wanted a completely absurd DPS machine to further skew things out of whack. The Valiant is a specialist ship. A well and true escort meant to high speed strafing and attacks of opportunity as part of a team, not an unstoppable lone-wolf.
It plays completely different to my Hestia, which I use for high-speed boradsides and play like an insane light cruiser that stays in the fray and can do so because of it's expanded engineering and science capability. Try doing that in a Valiant, and you'll end up respawning rather frequently.
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
Something isn't right here... can you spot it? Where's Waldo(s)?
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
For the Jack-of-all-trades escorts (w/ the Romulan being sci-leaning), a seating that had X/Uni would have had a more universal appeal, fit in w/ canon, and NOT be OP while still remaining true to the "theme" for these ships. For the Valiant specifically, a slight seat re-arrangement and console + set bonus re-work would have made this look much less meh, and much more, "YEAH!" for a lot of people.
The Kor console (photons, please) + set bonus re-work does need a re-visit. Please talk to QWhip whenever he's online for suggestions. Also, would it kill anyone (aside from its targets) to have FIVE Tac Consoles for the fleet variant?
Please address the Romulan set bonus functionality.
It doesn't need to be OP, it just needed to be polished and stand out of the crowd. There's a review in process, and I hope that they have taken the good suggestions that were mentioned into serious consideration. This doesn't need a 5/2 layout or Pilot Maneuvers, but it does need some adjustments made to it to say, "Yea, I want that ship!".
Thank you.
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
Uhmmm says who ?
lol
Are you dreaming that ?
It was a quick tweet from Borticus. I haven't heard anything regarding what's being done, but it's only partway through Monday.
Well, well, well,
Color me surprised.
... i just want something similar, im not asking for all of it, im asking for one thing. I just want atleast something that performs at the same level as we expect it. Else this post wouldnt have 12 pages
Yeah it's what bothered me the most as well, I wouldn't mind a barrel roll, but, the fact that in order to take advantage of the 2 piece bonus means I have to cloak (when its not a battle cloak is very limiting) basically at the start of a combat phase or between some long drawn out wait phase. Granted it can be done, but I think the 2 piece bonus could be redone to allow for a non cloak bonus, the t6 tvaro had a 3 piece different set bonus, so now I am eagerly waiting to see what if anything is said and done. Thanks to the devs for listening, just now wish they would start visiting us here in their own forums more often again.
Of course, this is Cryptic we´re talking about. I´d half expect them to make the set give a halfway decent bonus but saddle you with two or three console slots taken up with useless things like the Cloaking console.
lol really bring it to pvp and watch what happends to your underpowered ship curtsey of the pilot ship...
And again: why should the Valiant the ship that beats the others?
No Valiant battlecloak set bonus? Kor cloak waiting 5 minutes? What do you mean enhanced DPS calculator?
here you go.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Do you have a double Picard facepalm handy in case they decide to bork the attack ship pack further instead of fixing it?
double picard no... I found one witth picard, riker, and worf.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Some random guy on some forum "heard something through the grapevine" and people are up in arms. It's funny here but really annoying e.g. in "news" that aren't. So please check facts first before reacting. Especially since these claims are extremely outrageous, it heightens the possibility that they are not - in fact - true. And I guess that trill posted in jest.
I'll take it!
It woud be nice if they decided to improve the ships instead but I'm not holding my breath for it.
If I want to put up with the egos of PvP players, I'll go inflict CoD on myself.
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
Probably several things, since I was going by memory at the end of a long workday. Also, the second PQ torp, since I double click to equip most things by reflex. Didn't realize that it just switched out the other one and that only one can be equipped anyway, because the devs hate fun. :P
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
I kinda doubt it myself... sounds like way more work then cryptic would do for something like this.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.