My thoughts are that since it's a star that's acting very abnormally, they send some experienced crew to go investigate. I bet they have some data on the observation so far that makes them think it's possibly a manufactured incident and not an natural event. Sending a crew that has seen lots of weird stuff on a mission that just oozes weirdness for what it is, is the perfect fit for us. We dealt with all manner of weirdness before the final battle, who better than us to deal with weirdness again?
good call, its like I keep saying - you have to use your imagination a bit with this game and fill in the back story of why things happen the way they do in some instances.
same as when admiral Kirk was given command of the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, as he said to captain Decker - experience, five years out there dealing with unknowns like this, my familiarity with the Enterprise, this crew.
Difference between my hero and Kirk. Kirk was an explorer, granted he pushed when needed and fought when needed, but he did do a lot of Exploration(of planets and women ). So yes he did have 5 years experience of dealing with the unknown. But he and Decker got a temporary demotion 1 rank so Kirk could get the Enterprise back.
Now compared to my main Fed, who has almost ZERO diplomacy, or first contact or any exploration under his belt, basically came out of the Academy into a shooting war. Let's look at his Resume shall we?
Middy cruise, fights Borg and Klingons. Takes command of first ship and proceeds to do patrols and fight a mad klingon hell bent on universal destruction. Proceeds on to fight the Tal Shiar and their mad schemes, then goes onto DS9 and deal with Rogue Cardassians and then a fleet left over from the Dominion War. Then goes onto fight the Borg AGAIN, then onto stop the Breen from smacking the Defari around, then onto fighting the Voth over Solane tech, then the Undine, then off to the Delta Quadrant and fighting the Vaadwaur and Hirogen. Then finding out the iconans have really come back and fight yet ANOTHER war against the Iconians.
Then after all that, suddenly my character is the best they got to deal with a SCIENCE PROBLEM? Explain it to me Lucy. My character has practically wiped out entire planetary populations worth of foes, but suddenly that makes me the best person to deal with a SCIENCE issue then first contact?
Game should cater to captains, as that's the standard hero rank. at the very least allow us to choose our rank in dialouge and no forcing flag bridges and obnoxious in game admiral references on us. (admiralty system is very unintrusive in comparison to what they could have done and already do in other areas)
Been asked for many times, but if we were allowed to just stay captains, the Admiralty system would make no sense. Since we are where we already are, atleast from a Federation and Romulan stand point, makes sense to have flag bridges. KDF, well again we saw Martok leading the war from the hotseat of a Bird of Prey.
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My thoughts are that since it's a star that's acting very abnormally, they send some experienced crew to go investigate. I bet they have some data on the observation so far that makes them think it's possibly a manufactured incident and not an natural event. Sending a crew that has seen lots of weird stuff on a mission that just oozes weirdness for what it is, is the perfect fit for us. We dealt with all manner of weirdness before the final battle, who better than us to deal with weirdness again?
good call, its like I keep saying - you have to use your imagination a bit with this game and fill in the back story of why things happen the way they do in some instances.
same as when admiral Kirk was given command of the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, as he said to captain Decker - experience, five years out there dealing with unknowns like this, my familiarity with the Enterprise, this crew.
Difference between my hero and Kirk. Kirk was an explorer, granted he pushed when needed and fought when needed, but he did do a lot of Exploration(of planets and women ). So yes he did have 5 years experience of dealing with the unknown. But he and Decker got a temporary demotion 1 rank so Kirk could get the Enterprise back.
Now compared to my main Fed, who has almost ZERO diplomacy, or first contact or any exploration under his belt, basically came out of the Academy into a shooting war. Let's look at his Resume shall we?
Middy cruise, fights Borg and Klingons. Takes command of first ship and proceeds to do patrols and fight a mad klingon hell bent on universal destruction. Proceeds on to fight the Tal Shiar and their mad schemes, then goes onto DS9 and deal with Rogue Cardassians and then a fleet left over from the Dominion War. Then goes onto fight the Borg AGAIN, then onto stop the Breen from smacking the Defari around, then onto fighting the Voth over Solane tech, then the Undine, then off to the Delta Quadrant and fighting the Vaadwaur and Hirogen. Then finding out the iconans have really come back and fight yet ANOTHER war against the Iconians.
Then after all that, suddenly my character is the best they got to deal with a SCIENCE PROBLEM? Explain it to me Lucy. My character has practically wiped out entire planetary populations worth of foes, but suddenly that makes me the best person to deal with a SCIENCE issue then first contact?
Yeah no.
rapid promotion is not unheard of in the star trek franchise, although some could take years of service to work their way up the ranks and might not even get a shot at the rank of captain others through circumstance could be five minutes out of training and already captaining their own ship, even then they could still prove their worth from deeds or action and be worthy of promotion to admiral but might still choose to captain a ship rather then take a land based office even though they now hold the rank of admiral and they could still be young and fit enough to take part in active service and choose to take the role of captain even though they hold the rank of admiral.
of course this would not exclude them from sometimes taking directions or excepting orders from officers of a lower rank who might have more experience and knowledge in certain areas.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
My thoughts are that since it's a star that's acting very abnormally, they send some experienced crew to go investigate. I bet they have some data on the observation so far that makes them think it's possibly a manufactured incident and not an natural event. Sending a crew that has seen lots of weird stuff on a mission that just oozes weirdness for what it is, is the perfect fit for us. We dealt with all manner of weirdness before the final battle, who better than us to deal with weirdness again?
good call, its like I keep saying - you have to use your imagination a bit with this game and fill in the back story of why things happen the way they do in some instances.
same as when admiral Kirk was given command of the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, as he said to captain Decker - experience, five years out there dealing with unknowns like this, my familiarity with the Enterprise, this crew.
Difference between my hero and Kirk. Kirk was an explorer, granted he pushed when needed and fought when needed, but he did do a lot of Exploration(of planets and women ). So yes he did have 5 years experience of dealing with the unknown. But he and Decker got a temporary demotion 1 rank so Kirk could get the Enterprise back.
Now compared to my main Fed, who has almost ZERO diplomacy, or first contact or any exploration under his belt, basically came out of the Academy into a shooting war. Let's look at his Resume shall we?
Middy cruise, fights Borg and Klingons. Takes command of first ship and proceeds to do patrols and fight a mad klingon hell bent on universal destruction. Proceeds on to fight the Tal Shiar and their mad schemes, then goes onto DS9 and deal with Rogue Cardassians and then a fleet left over from the Dominion War. Then goes onto fight the Borg AGAIN, then onto stop the Breen from smacking the Defari around, then onto fighting the Voth over Solane tech, then the Undine, then off to the Delta Quadrant and fighting the Vaadwaur and Hirogen. Then finding out the iconans have really come back and fight yet ANOTHER war against the Iconians.
Then after all that, suddenly my character is the best they got to deal with a SCIENCE PROBLEM? Explain it to me Lucy. My character has practically wiped out entire planetary populations worth of foes, but suddenly that makes me the best person to deal with a SCIENCE issue then first contact?
Yeah no.
rapid promotion is not unheard of in the star trek franchise, although some could take years of service to work their way up the ranks and might not even get a shot at the rank of captain others through circumstance could be five minutes out of training and already captaining their own ship, even then they could still prove their worth from deeds or action and be worthy of promotion to admiral but might still choose to captain a ship rather then take a land based office even though they now hold the rank of admiral and they could still be young and fit enough to take part in active service and choose to take the role of captain even though they hold the rank of admiral.
of course this would not exclude them from sometimes taking directions or excepting orders from officers of a lower rank who might have more experience and knowledge in certain areas.
It's not even rapid promotion, it's the right qualifications for the job. My mains are all for lack of better terms, warriors/soldiers/fighters. All 3 of my mains 1 fed/1kdf/1 rom have been doing nothing but going from 1 war to another since they sat in that chair.
Makes them HIGHLY ill suited for a scientific or diplomatic mission. Like making Patton suddenly do the peace proposal with Russia.
BAD IDEA.
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1. It's better than admirals being treated like ensigns, which also happens.
2. This is a video game. You want something done, you send a player character. NPCs are only good for talking and dying.
My thoughts are that since it's a star that's acting very abnormally, they send some experienced crew to go investigate. I bet they have some data on the observation so far that makes them think it's possibly a manufactured incident and not an natural event. Sending a crew that has seen lots of weird stuff on a mission that just oozes weirdness for what it is, is the perfect fit for us. We dealt with all manner of weirdness before the final battle, who better than us to deal with weirdness again?
good call, its like I keep saying - you have to use your imagination a bit with this game and fill in the back story of why things happen the way they do in some instances.
same as when admiral Kirk was given command of the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, as he said to captain Decker - experience, five years out there dealing with unknowns like this, my familiarity with the Enterprise, this crew.
Difference between my hero and Kirk. Kirk was an explorer, granted he pushed when needed and fought when needed, but he did do a lot of Exploration(of planets and women ). So yes he did have 5 years experience of dealing with the unknown. But he and Decker got a temporary demotion 1 rank so Kirk could get the Enterprise back.
Now compared to my main Fed, who has almost ZERO diplomacy, or first contact or any exploration under his belt, basically came out of the Academy into a shooting war. Let's look at his Resume shall we?
Middy cruise, fights Borg and Klingons. Takes command of first ship and proceeds to do patrols and fight a mad klingon hell bent on universal destruction. Proceeds on to fight the Tal Shiar and their mad schemes, then goes onto DS9 and deal with Rogue Cardassians and then a fleet left over from the Dominion War. Then goes onto fight the Borg AGAIN, then onto stop the Breen from smacking the Defari around, then onto fighting the Voth over Solane tech, then the Undine, then off to the Delta Quadrant and fighting the Vaadwaur and Hirogen. Then finding out the iconans have really come back and fight yet ANOTHER war against the Iconians.
Then after all that, suddenly my character is the best they got to deal with a SCIENCE PROBLEM? Explain it to me Lucy. My character has practically wiped out entire planetary populations worth of foes, but suddenly that makes me the best person to deal with a SCIENCE issue then first contact?
Game should cater to captains, as that's the standard hero rank. at the very least allow us to choose our rank in dialouge and no forcing flag bridges and obnoxious in game admiral references on us. (admiralty system is very unintrusive in comparison to what they could have done and already do in other areas)
Been asked for many times, but if we were allowed to just stay captains, the Admiralty system would make no sense. Since we are where we already are, atleast from a Federation and Romulan stand point, makes sense to have flag bridges. KDF, well again we saw Martok leading the war from the hotseat of a Bird of Prey.
You do realize that you were instrumental in the diplomatic efforts in forming the Delta Alliance, in determining Kobali Policy, and bringing the end to the Iconian war through a cease fire agreement. Not to mention working with the Dominion to end the Invasion of DS9 through not only battle but with their political power. This applies to all three groups. And then we also did the scientific efforts in fighting the Dividians. SO we are ore qualified than you think.
The Roms have the added bonus of having to make political decisions regarding which faction to work with. And then there is the search for Tovan's Sister and other side missions.
I think the job that Sisko did in DS9 was what an Admiral in Star fleet does. He has a desk and an office and a station under his command but he also has a ship that he can take out go do missions with.
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In reply to sisteric, actually we didn't. All we did was basically help the Voyager crew bring together the Alliance and then sign off on it.
They did most of the work, we just showed up at clutch moments to seal the deal. Far as the Kobali, Harry Kim again did most of the diplomatic work, we again just signed off on his work.
So in reality, all we did was other people's missions they had already come up with. If anyone has the credit for putting together the Alliance, that's Tucker and Harry Kim.
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Yeah, that's what you did - and how others did all the work.
But what did you write in your report?
Also, in real life military it isn't unheard of that people were appointed to tasks they were not qualified for, just because they were loyal, held in high esteem, rich, ... Maybe your captain was always a little schemer while you weren't looking and is now getting into some deep waters because of it?
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Damn quote doesn't work on my phone grad Anyways what I would of written in my report, was that I conducted operations with Admiral Tuvok, supporting his plan to gather up different races to join the Alliance.
Considering it was HIS briefing, HIS plan and all I did was act like a subordinate, even though I was 2-3 ranks above him at that time, still his show. I just helped as needed.
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Considering it was HIS briefing, HIS plan and all I did was act like a subordinate, even though I was 2-3 ranks above him at that time, still his show. I just helped as needed.
This would be accurate in how the modern military acts. There is something called Positional Authority. This means a person may have authority based on the position they have an not the rank. The Doctors in Star Trek have positional authority to relieve a Commanding Officer for medical reasons. As you mention this was Tuvok's plan and mission and as such we were subordinate to him...even though we outrank him.
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Exactly my point Khan. And if such why would I take all credit for something that was under the command of another officer?
We as the hero are not the reason the Alliance is formed. Sure we have a helping hand in it, but we are not fully responsible.
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Also, can somebody please edit the title? Normally I don't mind a typo or two, but in the forum I keep reading "Admirals treated like Caitians" and my Ferasan objects to that!
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Exactly my point Khan. And if such why would I take all credit for something that was under the command of another officer?
We as the hero are not the reason the Alliance is formed. Sure we have a helping hand in it, but we are not fully responsible.
Because while we weren't instrumental in forming those alliances we were still part of it and may have learned a thing or two on how to diplomacy (on purpose). It's how officers learn to be captains...by watching others do it
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In the Dyson sphere, they sent us to fight on the front lines of a ground war with only two members of our bridge crews for company. Clearly Starfleet realises they have too many Admirals, and is trying to thin the herd.
Personally, I'd be fine with accepting demotion now that the crisis is over; maybe then they'd stop trying to kill me off.
In reply to sisteric, actually we didn't. All we did was basically help the Voyager crew bring together the Alliance and then sign off on it.
They did most of the work, we just showed up at clutch moments to seal the deal. Far as the Kobali, Harry Kim again did most of the diplomatic work, we again just signed off on his work.
So in reality, all we did was other people's missions they had already come up with. If anyone has the credit for putting together the Alliance, that's Tucker and Harry Kim.
We did more than sign off on it, we took what Harry gave us (in the Kobali Battle Zone) and confronted the Kobali General. Between that our previous efforts and that data they conceded to us and changed their stance. SO we did it, as far as record keeping is done.
As for the Delta Alliance, we also assigned out who talked to who, we made the choices of who to send to talk to the various sides and then we showed up to assist them when they had trouble completing the mission. So we were Leading the Diplomatic mission, but like normal, we delegated the work to those assigned to us to help.
Just because they are an Admiral don't mean they are desk jobs all the time. Lots of times in the shows/movies. The Admirals was in action to a degree. Using a Flag ship for operations. Even today in the US Navy, Admirals are on a ship. During World War II, Admirals was in action during fleet operations.
This is why my Fleet Admirals isn't a desk person. They are out there taking care of business.
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I ignored or heavily modified the backstories for all but my Reman.
My Cardassian main is a dual-commissioned exchange officer who has been in military service since *before* the Dominion War (no, he was NOT involved in any of the prewar atrocities). He was forced to take command of a Fed ship he was serving on in a mostly teaching capacity, when the bridge was hit, killing most of the senior staff. Although it was highly irregular since his full CDF rank was not being recognized at the time and he was not being treated as someone with a place in the chain of command (he was an "ensign"), he basically told the crew in the heat of the moment that he was taking command to deal with the immediate threat and that if it still bothered them if they survived, they would be welcome to file an official protest when they got back to port--but until then they would be well advised to stand back and let him do the job he had decades of experience at. (Cardassian lives, and hence their military careers, run longer than those of humans.) Instead of being removed or court-martialed, Berat was awarded official Starfleet rank equivalent to his CDF rank. Berat is a vice admiral (I didn't recognize the game promotions beyond that) and fleet XO--their field commander who actually goes out on missions on his flagship. He is the one who would command a battle in the field while his fleet admiral runs what needs to be run from the starbase.
Alyosha Strannik is an Earth-raised Devidian who started at the Academy in 2368. After nearly being expelled when Picard discovered what the Devidian species was (even though his upbringing and beliefs are in complete opposition to a "normal" Devidian), he ended up just barely hanging on to his career and graduating into the runup to the Dominion War. Starfleet Intelligence used him to courier top secret orders (because a Changeling could never mimic his phase signature), and also in exfiltration and search-and-rescue missions during the war. But his heart's desire was sciences. He spent a while serving in that capacity with a captain who was willing to look past his species but every promotion Alyosha ever won came after a hard fight (sometimes had to be attempted more than once) against elements of the admiralty who didn't trust one like him as he pursued increasing responsibilities for the lives of others. When he reached the upper limits his career could go to on that ship--and also had a private falling out with the captain--he was transferred into a fleet where he would have room to advance and where the admirals in the field were willing to back him against hostile promotion boards. (As to why he managed to make an advantageous transfer after the falling-out, a lot had to do with the fact that he handled the situation discreetly and maturely instead of spreading malcontent or shirking his duties.) When Alyosha took command of his own ship, it was at the start of the Federation's warring period. While he has never known peacetime in command, he HAS known it during the middle stretch of his career and has strong scientific credentials. He would make another good choice for a scientific mission. He knows both how to explore and how to take care of himself and his crew. Rankwise, he is a captain, not an admiral.
My Reman would not be so adept at that. She's a former slave turned civilian turned soldier, and while she has shipboard service she is no scientist aside from her field medic training. She's an admiral because of her heroics and because the Republic literally was that hard up for successful fighters as it was getting started--but she's no politician or scientist, and has no intention of flying a desk. The Republic allows this because of her hero status. Though she technically ranks alongside Kererek and Obisek, the arrangement is that they do the day-to-day things that need to be done. In effect her rank and respect are somewhat honorary, and only really come into effect when there is a need for her as a battle commander as opposed to a typical Reman commander. (I can see the RRF doing honorary ranks more so than Starfleet.)
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A possible solution could be if the game could differentiate between the player's level, and the rank of his character, which could be determined by choosing the appropriate "Title". Basically, if according to your backstory, your character is a captain, you put "Captain" as your Title, and the game would recognize that and for the purposes of all the dialogues, you would be "Captain Suchandsuch". It could also work for some other titles, like "Ambassador" or "Doctor" or stuff (and it might also be cool to be called "the undying" once in a while :-D)
Well, my main is actually a Science Officer in a science Vessel. It's not my fault that every other Admiral seems to be flying warships.
But ... There is a star. It's mysteriously dying. Okay, we think the Iconian war is over. But damn, a star dying mysteriously? Doesn't that sound familiar? Better send someone that has a wide field of experience with Iconians and problematic stars. (Our Captains investigated Hobus, and our Captains were in the Solar Station in the Dyson Sphere). Even if it's not the Iconians or Iconian technology, and someone else, maybe even something perfectly natural ... better safe than sorry.
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Isn't it an invitation to a duel to the death? I thought Worf said that to Klingon!O'Brien.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I try to play it for immersion. (which is getting more and more difficult each time), writing after action reports, and building a story. So, my admiral, is kinda contra-Picard type. While Picard was offered (and turned down) the Admiral's position, my character accepted the Admiral office, but under condition that he can go in the field. So, although he is admiral, on his ship he is the captain. Thus, whenever something curious or strange happens, he is there
In reply to sisteric, actually we didn't. All we did was basically help the Voyager crew bring together the Alliance and then sign off on it.
They did most of the work, we just showed up at clutch moments to seal the deal. Far as the Kobali, Harry Kim again did most of the diplomatic work, we again just signed off on his work.
So in reality, all we did was other people's missions they had already come up with. If anyone has the credit for putting together the Alliance, that's Tucker and Harry Kim.
We did more than sign off on it, we took what Harry gave us (in the Kobali Battle Zone) and confronted the Kobali General. Between that our previous efforts and that data they conceded to us and changed their stance. SO we did it, as far as record keeping is done.
As for the Delta Alliance, we also assigned out who talked to who, we made the choices of who to send to talk to the various sides and then we showed up to assist them when they had trouble completing the mission. So we were Leading the Diplomatic mission, but like normal, we delegated the work to those assigned to us to help.
Actually no we didn't Tuvok did that.
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I try to play it for immersion. (which is getting more and more difficult each time), writing after action reports, and building a story. So, my admiral, is kinda contra-Picard type. While Picard was offered (and turned down) the Admiral's position, my character accepted the Admiral office, but under condition that he can go in the field. So, although he is admiral, on his ship he is the captain. Thus, whenever something curious or strange happens, he is there
Actually in my immersion, my admiral has a flag bridge that he works from, some of his boffs are his senior staff and the Boff I've had since the OLD school Tutorial, my female Andorian, she's Captain of the ship with some of the Boffs as her senior officers.
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Now compared to my main Fed, who has almost ZERO diplomacy, or first contact or any exploration under his belt, basically came out of the Academy into a shooting war. Let's look at his Resume shall we?
Middy cruise, fights Borg and Klingons. Takes command of first ship and proceeds to do patrols and fight a mad klingon hell bent on universal destruction. Proceeds on to fight the Tal Shiar and their mad schemes, then goes onto DS9 and deal with Rogue Cardassians and then a fleet left over from the Dominion War. Then goes onto fight the Borg AGAIN, then onto stop the Breen from smacking the Defari around, then onto fighting the Voth over Solane tech, then the Undine, then off to the Delta Quadrant and fighting the Vaadwaur and Hirogen. Then finding out the iconans have really come back and fight yet ANOTHER war against the Iconians.
Then after all that, suddenly my character is the best they got to deal with a SCIENCE PROBLEM? Explain it to me Lucy. My character has practically wiped out entire planetary populations worth of foes, but suddenly that makes me the best person to deal with a SCIENCE issue then first contact?
Yeah no.
Been asked for many times, but if we were allowed to just stay captains, the Admiralty system would make no sense. Since we are where we already are, atleast from a Federation and Romulan stand point, makes sense to have flag bridges. KDF, well again we saw Martok leading the war from the hotseat of a Bird of Prey.
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rapid promotion is not unheard of in the star trek franchise, although some could take years of service to work their way up the ranks and might not even get a shot at the rank of captain others through circumstance could be five minutes out of training and already captaining their own ship, even then they could still prove their worth from deeds or action and be worthy of promotion to admiral but might still choose to captain a ship rather then take a land based office even though they now hold the rank of admiral and they could still be young and fit enough to take part in active service and choose to take the role of captain even though they hold the rank of admiral.
of course this would not exclude them from sometimes taking directions or excepting orders from officers of a lower rank who might have more experience and knowledge in certain areas.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
It's not even rapid promotion, it's the right qualifications for the job. My mains are all for lack of better terms, warriors/soldiers/fighters. All 3 of my mains 1 fed/1kdf/1 rom have been doing nothing but going from 1 war to another since they sat in that chair.
Makes them HIGHLY ill suited for a scientific or diplomatic mission. Like making Patton suddenly do the peace proposal with Russia.
BAD IDEA.
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2. This is a video game. You want something done, you send a player character. NPCs are only good for talking and dying.
You do realize that you were instrumental in the diplomatic efforts in forming the Delta Alliance, in determining Kobali Policy, and bringing the end to the Iconian war through a cease fire agreement. Not to mention working with the Dominion to end the Invasion of DS9 through not only battle but with their political power. This applies to all three groups. And then we also did the scientific efforts in fighting the Dividians. SO we are ore qualified than you think.
The Roms have the added bonus of having to make political decisions regarding which faction to work with. And then there is the search for Tovan's Sister and other side missions.
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RR-Fed: Citizen Sirroc (Romulan Science)::Fleet Admiral Grell (Alien Engineer)
RR-KDF: Fleet Admiral Zemo (Reman Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Xinatek (Reman Science)::Fleet Admiral Bel (Alien Engineer)
TOS-Fed: Fleet Admiral Katem (Andorian Tactical)::Lieutenant Commander Straad (Vulcan Engineer)
Dom-Fed: Dan'Tar (Jem'Hadar Science)
Dom-KDF: Kamtana'Solan (Jem'Hadar Science)
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They did most of the work, we just showed up at clutch moments to seal the deal. Far as the Kobali, Harry Kim again did most of the diplomatic work, we again just signed off on his work.
So in reality, all we did was other people's missions they had already come up with. If anyone has the credit for putting together the Alliance, that's Tucker and Harry Kim.
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But what did you write in your report?
Also, in real life military it isn't unheard of that people were appointed to tasks they were not qualified for, just because they were loyal, held in high esteem, rich, ... Maybe your captain was always a little schemer while you weren't looking and is now getting into some deep waters because of it?
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Considering it was HIS briefing, HIS plan and all I did was act like a subordinate, even though I was 2-3 ranks above him at that time, still his show. I just helped as needed.
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This would be accurate in how the modern military acts. There is something called Positional Authority. This means a person may have authority based on the position they have an not the rank. The Doctors in Star Trek have positional authority to relieve a Commanding Officer for medical reasons. As you mention this was Tuvok's plan and mission and as such we were subordinate to him...even though we outrank him.
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*resets "Days without a Captain vs Admiral argument" counter back to 0*
We as the hero are not the reason the Alliance is formed. Sure we have a helping hand in it, but we are not fully responsible.
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Because while we weren't instrumental in forming those alliances we were still part of it and may have learned a thing or two on how to diplomacy (on purpose). It's how officers learn to be captains...by watching others do it
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Personally, I'd be fine with accepting demotion now that the crisis is over; maybe then they'd stop trying to kill me off.
We did more than sign off on it, we took what Harry gave us (in the Kobali Battle Zone) and confronted the Kobali General. Between that our previous efforts and that data they conceded to us and changed their stance. SO we did it, as far as record keeping is done.
As for the Delta Alliance, we also assigned out who talked to who, we made the choices of who to send to talk to the various sides and then we showed up to assist them when they had trouble completing the mission. So we were Leading the Diplomatic mission, but like normal, we delegated the work to those assigned to us to help.
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RR-Fed: Citizen Sirroc (Romulan Science)::Fleet Admiral Grell (Alien Engineer)
RR-KDF: Fleet Admiral Zemo (Reman Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Xinatek (Reman Science)::Fleet Admiral Bel (Alien Engineer)
TOS-Fed: Fleet Admiral Katem (Andorian Tactical)::Lieutenant Commander Straad (Vulcan Engineer)
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Dom-KDF: Kamtana'Solan (Jem'Hadar Science)
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This is why my Fleet Admirals isn't a desk person. They are out there taking care of business.
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My Cardassian main is a dual-commissioned exchange officer who has been in military service since *before* the Dominion War (no, he was NOT involved in any of the prewar atrocities). He was forced to take command of a Fed ship he was serving on in a mostly teaching capacity, when the bridge was hit, killing most of the senior staff. Although it was highly irregular since his full CDF rank was not being recognized at the time and he was not being treated as someone with a place in the chain of command (he was an "ensign"), he basically told the crew in the heat of the moment that he was taking command to deal with the immediate threat and that if it still bothered them if they survived, they would be welcome to file an official protest when they got back to port--but until then they would be well advised to stand back and let him do the job he had decades of experience at. (Cardassian lives, and hence their military careers, run longer than those of humans.) Instead of being removed or court-martialed, Berat was awarded official Starfleet rank equivalent to his CDF rank. Berat is a vice admiral (I didn't recognize the game promotions beyond that) and fleet XO--their field commander who actually goes out on missions on his flagship. He is the one who would command a battle in the field while his fleet admiral runs what needs to be run from the starbase.
Alyosha Strannik is an Earth-raised Devidian who started at the Academy in 2368. After nearly being expelled when Picard discovered what the Devidian species was (even though his upbringing and beliefs are in complete opposition to a "normal" Devidian), he ended up just barely hanging on to his career and graduating into the runup to the Dominion War. Starfleet Intelligence used him to courier top secret orders (because a Changeling could never mimic his phase signature), and also in exfiltration and search-and-rescue missions during the war. But his heart's desire was sciences. He spent a while serving in that capacity with a captain who was willing to look past his species but every promotion Alyosha ever won came after a hard fight (sometimes had to be attempted more than once) against elements of the admiralty who didn't trust one like him as he pursued increasing responsibilities for the lives of others. When he reached the upper limits his career could go to on that ship--and also had a private falling out with the captain--he was transferred into a fleet where he would have room to advance and where the admirals in the field were willing to back him against hostile promotion boards. (As to why he managed to make an advantageous transfer after the falling-out, a lot had to do with the fact that he handled the situation discreetly and maturely instead of spreading malcontent or shirking his duties.) When Alyosha took command of his own ship, it was at the start of the Federation's warring period. While he has never known peacetime in command, he HAS known it during the middle stretch of his career and has strong scientific credentials. He would make another good choice for a scientific mission. He knows both how to explore and how to take care of himself and his crew. Rankwise, he is a captain, not an admiral.
My Reman would not be so adept at that. She's a former slave turned civilian turned soldier, and while she has shipboard service she is no scientist aside from her field medic training. She's an admiral because of her heroics and because the Republic literally was that hard up for successful fighters as it was getting started--but she's no politician or scientist, and has no intention of flying a desk. The Republic allows this because of her hero status. Though she technically ranks alongside Kererek and Obisek, the arrangement is that they do the day-to-day things that need to be done. In effect her rank and respect are somewhat honorary, and only really come into effect when there is a need for her as a battle commander as opposed to a typical Reman commander. (I can see the RRF doing honorary ranks more so than Starfleet.)
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But ... There is a star. It's mysteriously dying. Okay, we think the Iconian war is over. But damn, a star dying mysteriously? Doesn't that sound familiar? Better send someone that has a wide field of experience with Iconians and problematic stars. (Our Captains investigated Hobus, and our Captains were in the Solar Station in the Dyson Sphere). Even if it's not the Iconians or Iconian technology, and someone else, maybe even something perfectly natural ... better safe than sorry.
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Isn't it an invitation to a duel to the death? I thought Worf said that to Klingon!O'Brien.
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Actually no we didn't Tuvok did that.
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Actually in my immersion, my admiral has a flag bridge that he works from, some of his boffs are his senior staff and the Boff I've had since the OLD school Tutorial, my female Andorian, she's Captain of the ship with some of the Boffs as her senior officers.
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