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  • achilleshehlachilleshehl Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    They should give a free one of these to each person who owns the base version.
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    hyefather wrote: »
    For ships that have a Lance, there should be a special Beam Overload 4 attached to these weapons. I mean, it just should be. I don't think cryptic understands the nostalgia factor assosiated with the Galaxy-X. Have they not seen "All Good Things".

    To be honest, the back and forth rant between cryptic and the players begging for justice to be given to the Gal-X is getting old. I'm ready to just throw my hands up and say F$?% it !!! Maybe one more chance for cryptic to get it right but since they haven't, whatever they do it needs to be epic or I'm just considering cryptic a epic fail when it comes to the Gal-X and moving on.

    But they do understand Nostalgia. The massive sales of Pathfinders proved the market was still viable even as they released new ships that are in-story successors to the old. Heck, even the hardcore Galaxy fans who were foaming at the mouth just mass-purchased the Andromeda, and we have plenty of rabid fans just waiting for the Defiant, BoP, and Sovereign. They even made a jab at reviving old ships with the recent Shipyard story over the revival of the Galaxy-X.

    Also, let's be realistic; they're not going to build in a BO4 for any ship lance when the lances themselves can already do massive spike damage; moreso when buffed by consoles and abilities. In addition, they revived and modernized the Galaxy-X, are making bank off it, and still keeping it useful enough to work in the current meta but not as useful as a proper newer ship like the Guardian or Eclipse or Command Cruisers. Both sides win, but the house wins more.
  • turbomagnusturbomagnus Member Posts: 3,479 Arc User
    They should give a free one of these to each person who owns the base version.

    What would be the 'base version' in this idea, the T6 Exploration Cruiser or the T5 Dreadnought?
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    As pointed out on the model thread, I noticed the phaser lance was angled upward compared to the real models and got told "everything is working as intended". Who cares about model errors after paying $50. :tongue:
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    As pointed out on the model thread, I noticed the phaser lance was angled upward compared to the real models and got told "everything is working as intended". Who cares about model errors after paying $50. :tongue:

    Or it's such a minor detail compared to the lance barrel not being aligned to center that it's not a priority to fix? I'm assuming you're referring to firing animation itself, rather than the barrel being pointed up. But if it's the latter, at least it's in-line.

    Just wait for the T7 version. Surely it'll be dead center as it's supposed to be.
  • achilleshehlachilleshehl Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    They should give a free one of these to each person who owns the base version.

    What would be the 'base version' in this idea, the T6 Exploration Cruiser or the T5 Dreadnought?

    The standard T5 Dreadnought. I think that they should because these new dreadnoughts basically render the old ones obsolete.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    They should give a free one of these to each person who owns the base version.

    What would be the 'base version' in this idea, the T6 Exploration Cruiser or the T5 Dreadnought?

    The standard T5 Dreadnought. I think that they should because these new dreadnoughts basically render the old ones obsolete.

    All T5 ships are obsolesente with T6 ships. Sure they are still useful, but the new ones are more capable.
    As pointed out on the model thread, I noticed the phaser lance was angled upward compared to the real models and got told "everything is working as intended". Who cares about model errors after paying $50. :tongue:

    Or it's such a minor detail compared to the lance barrel not being aligned to center that it's not a priority to fix? I'm assuming you're referring to firing animation itself, rather than the barrel being pointed up. But if it's the latter, at least it's in-line.

    Just wait for the T7 version. Surely it'll be dead center as it's supposed to be.

    Both. The Old barrel was misaligned in the Horizontal, the new one is misaligned in the Vertical. And the Lance Beam fires from underneath the ship itself.

    But seems pointing this out was wrong.
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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    Both. The Old barrel was misaligned in the Horizontal, the new one is misaligned in the Vertical. And the Lance Beam fires from underneath the ship itself.

    But seems pointing this out was wrong.

    There's nothing wrong with pointing it out. The timing though is just not the best time. If the visual is an issue, that's one thing that again, can be considered minor in the scheme of things, at least for now. Consider the fact that at this time, they're working on getting a major new expansion out (the quality of which remains to be seen), and we pretty much have about month of nothing major to deal with while they're finishing the touches for their new expansion.

    As to the visual beam animation, that one can be more easily forgotten and ignored since most players are playing from the standard view, above and behind the ship, so it looks centered. As well, we do have a host of other lances that do not fire forwards and may fire at an angle, so most players would just assume the beam can fire at a slim angle as well.

    I wasn't trying to be offensive, if that's how it came off as, but the fact of the matter is that the former requires going back to the model itself and adjusting it and all the skins, and the latter can easily be passed off as a minor graphics limitation based on how most other lances operate.

    My last sentence is a jab at the fact it took this long to fix the off-center lance since it didn't break anything except symmetry, and it's likely the vertical misalignment is just as minor that it won't be fixed until the next Tier.

    With that said, is that for all saucers or just the classic Galaxy-X saucer? Because if it's just that one or two saucers (Galaxy w/ and w/o cannon hardpoints), that's even less likely to be fixed if it's aligned right on the other saucers.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    No, you're not being offensive. But unfortunately there are others who think I'm the one being offensive for pointing these bugs out and saying I'm ungrateful. Which is not the case. I wholeheartely understand TtC's love for designing, and him doing this on his spare time. Which we all are grateful.

    And I can understand them being busy in creating new content. But the thing is, we purchased these ships for a lot of money and they shouldn't blow us off or even pulling a Funimation in pointing out bugs or errors with these models. They ignored people with the old Galaxy errors, we going to repeat history? That's why I mentioned the error in the Dreadnaught threads. All I ask is that they look into it, not calling the customer stupid for noticing it.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    not calling the customer stupid for noticing it.
    Link plz.....

    Anyways, graphical bugs will get fixed whenever they feel like it. Expecting them to do otherwise is silly.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    Well the new Fed Dreadnought was enough to get my attention. I created a new character, and now leveling them to use it! Hopefully in the future, I will do a KDF to use the their version as well. That ship looks like a fun one to use too.
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  • turbomagnusturbomagnus Member Posts: 3,479 Arc User
    farmallm wrote: »
    Well the new Fed Dreadnought was enough to get my attention. I created a new character, and now leveling them to use it! Hopefully in the future, I will do a KDF to use the their version as well. That ship looks like a fun one to use too.

    If it's anything like the T5 Siege Destroyer, it could be pretty fun - especially since with hanger pets, it eliminates those seconds during the Seige Mode transformation (to and from) where you're unable to do any damage or use any abilities - it's like two ships in one and you can chose which you need at any given time; Destroyer speed and manuverability or Seige durability and firepower. Though I'll admit that sometimes it can be hard to keep a target in Javelin firing arc, at least with the Guramba, something that the Kalasi's hanger pets should help with some (I hope).

    If I hadn't already committed myself to saving up for the Command Cruiser Mega-pack, I'd be buying the T6 Dreadnoughts Pack.
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    ^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    No, you're not being offensive. But unfortunately there are others who think I'm the one being offensive for pointing these bugs out and saying I'm ungrateful. Which is not the case. I wholeheartely understand TtC's love for designing, and him doing this on his spare time. Which we all are grateful.

    And I can understand them being busy in creating new content. But the thing is, we purchased these ships for a lot of money and they shouldn't blow us off or even pulling a Funimation in pointing out bugs or errors with these models. They ignored people with the old Galaxy errors, we going to repeat history? That's why I mentioned the error in the Dreadnaught threads. All I ask is that they look into it, not calling the customer stupid for noticing it.

    They haven't quite fixed issues with the Avenger's nacelle details (they don't quite match each other), they haven't fixed the warp tracer issues that show a green warp trail half the time even if you're using a Fed or KDF ship, they haven't fixed the energizing nacelle bars on the Fed Command ships when preparing to warp out, and they haven't even added the Dyson purple/black trails to the Dyson Rep Impulse Engines.

    So the issue isn't isolated to the Yamato alone, unfortunately.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    No, you're not being offensive. But unfortunately there are others who think I'm the one being offensive for pointing these bugs out and saying I'm ungrateful. Which is not the case. I wholeheartely understand TtC's love for designing, and him doing this on his spare time. Which we all are grateful.

    And I can understand them being busy in creating new content. But the thing is, we purchased these ships for a lot of money and they shouldn't blow us off or even pulling a Funimation in pointing out bugs or errors with these models. They ignored people with the old Galaxy errors, we going to repeat history? That's why I mentioned the error in the Dreadnaught threads. All I ask is that they look into it, not calling the customer stupid for noticing it.

    They haven't quite fixed issues with the Avenger's nacelle details (they don't quite match each other), they haven't fixed the warp tracer issues that show a green warp trail half the time even if you're using a Fed or KDF ship, they haven't fixed the energizing nacelle bars on the Fed Command ships when preparing to warp out, and they haven't even added the Dyson purple/black trails to the Dyson Rep Impulse Engines.

    So the issue isn't isolated to the Yamato alone, unfortunately.
    D'Kyr has an issue where the left side of the hull and only the left side glows when charging transwarp.
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  • turbomagnusturbomagnus Member Posts: 3,479 Arc User
    Let's not forget that the Kar'fi and half the Breen ships (including hanger pets) don't even have their hulls - Still! - after what? Almost a year?

    This is where two things impact the 'mutually exclusive' barrier; adding new content to keep things fresh and bring in new players who'll spend money on the game against refining older content and fixing bugs so that long-term players who've already spent most of their money on the game will keep playing...
    And unfortunately, whichever one of those 'wins', We, The Players, 'lose'...
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    ^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    not calling the customer stupid for noticing it.
    Link plz.....

    Anyways, graphical bugs will get fixed whenever they feel like it. Expecting them to do otherwise is silly.

    Go to his Twitter.

    And that's the thing, like others have just pointed out, just how long we have to wait for "fixes"? Til the next time a Cryptic employee has a desire to revamp a ship skin? How many ships that needed obvious fixing since Year 1? So as a customer you feel okay with paying for incomplete works?

    I don't see people being happy buying a car that's mostly working or a house that's missing a wall. Or a novel that's missing the last chapter. But given the last few days, I get the impression there is a sign on the wall saying, "the customer is never right".
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    not calling the customer stupid for noticing it.
    Link plz.....

    Anyways, graphical bugs will get fixed whenever they feel like it. Expecting them to do otherwise is silly.

    Go to his Twitter.

    And that's the thing, like others have just pointed out, just how long we have to wait for "fixes"? Til the next time a Cryptic employee has a desire to revamp a ship skin? How many ships that needed obvious fixing since Year 1? So as a customer you feel okay with paying for incomplete works?

    I don't see people being happy buying a car that's mostly working or a house that's missing a wall. Or a novel that's missing the last chapter. But given the last few days, I get the impression there is a sign on the wall saying, "the customer is never right".
    Your analogies are fundamentally flawed. You are comparing superficial details with things that are actually important. For the car analogy, a better comparison would be a car where one of the fenders is a different color. Or a house that has green shingles on one side and blue on the other. Both are useable for their actual core function.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    not calling the customer stupid for noticing it.
    Link plz.....

    Anyways, graphical bugs will get fixed whenever they feel like it. Expecting them to do otherwise is silly.

    Go to his Twitter.

    And that's the thing, like others have just pointed out, just how long we have to wait for "fixes"? Til the next time a Cryptic employee has a desire to revamp a ship skin? How many ships that needed obvious fixing since Year 1? So as a customer you feel okay with paying for incomplete works?

    I don't see people being happy buying a car that's mostly working or a house that's missing a wall. Or a novel that's missing the last chapter. But given the last few days, I get the impression there is a sign on the wall saying, "the customer is never right".
    Your analogies are fundamentally flawed. You are comparing superficial details with things that are actually important. For the car analogy, a better comparison would be a car where one of the fenders is a different color. Or a house that has green shingles on one side and blue on the other. Both are useable for their actual core function.

    Whatever, you want to argue semantics. Even if it's $1 or $1mil, every purchase the customer has the right to complain about flaws. And this is no different than those who complained about the Phaser Lance on the old T5 Galaxy Dreadnought being off center. But this time, instead of on the horizontal plane, it's in the vertical.

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    Just funny that the same people who said that the old lance error was okay, are the same people saying it again with the T6. But we purchased these models, and it's stupid the company ignores flaws.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    And the company has a right to ignore you if they think your complaint is stupid.

    See, it's not as simple as your list of options makes it sound.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    We see our customers as invited guests to a party, and we are the hosts. It's our job every day to make every important aspect of the customer experience a little bit better. - Jeff Bezos
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    Do you really think you're one of the most unhappy customer because the angle of your gun is slightly off?

    If so, the lesson a company might learn from that is not the one you expected to learn.​​
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    We see our customers as invited guests to a party, and we are the hosts. It's our job every day to make every important aspect of the customer experience a little bit better. - Jeff Bezos
    Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning. - Bill Gates
    Do you really think you're one of the most unhappy customer because the angle of your gun is slightly off?

    If so, the lesson a company might learn from that is not the one you expected to learn.​​

    At one point I designed firetrucks that saved thousands of lives. One of them was even at the Twin Towers on 9/11. I took pride in my work, just like TtC does with his ships. But if someone said there was an error with my works, I didn't tell the customer they were wrong. Instead, I went to confirm the error and if there was one, fix it.

    We might've designed our works on our time, but the customer is ultimately paying for it. And as a designer, the responsibility of selling an accurate product falls on us. So the lesson here is ultimately, "respect the customer".
  • gaparkergaparker Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    I sort of expect to seeing playable Ravager Dreadnought...oh not again as they use exist model of Guramba to be upgrade to Kolasi! Ummm...I also wonder about Gorn's Balaur Dreadnought to be playable or use Varanus Fleet Support Vessel to go upgrade T6 again?
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    We see our customers as invited guests to a party, and we are the hosts. It's our job every day to make every important aspect of the customer experience a little bit better. - Jeff Bezos
    Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning. - Bill Gates
    Do you really think you're one of the most unhappy customer because the angle of your gun is slightly off?

    If so, the lesson a company might learn from that is not the one you expected to learn.​​
    At one point I designed firetrucks that saved thousands of lives. One of them was even at the Twin Towers on 9/11. I took pride in my work, just like TtC does with his ships. But if someone said there was an error with my works, I didn't tell the customer they were wrong. Instead, I went to confirm the error and if there was one, fix it.

    We might've designed our works on our time, but the customer is ultimately paying for it. And as a designer, the responsibility of selling an accurate product falls on us. So the lesson here is ultimately, "respect the customer".
    Emphasis added by me. And did any of your customers try to tell you the headlights were the wrong shape?

    Because yeah, that's pretty much the extant of your issue with the model.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    We see our customers as invited guests to a party, and we are the hosts. It's our job every day to make every important aspect of the customer experience a little bit better. - Jeff Bezos
    Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning. - Bill Gates
    Do you really think you're one of the most unhappy customer because the angle of your gun is slightly off?

    If so, the lesson a company might learn from that is not the one you expected to learn.​​
    At one point I designed firetrucks that saved thousands of lives. One of them was even at the Twin Towers on 9/11. I took pride in my work, just like TtC does with his ships. But if someone said there was an error with my works, I didn't tell the customer they were wrong. Instead, I went to confirm the error and if there was one, fix it.

    We might've designed our works on our time, but the customer is ultimately paying for it. And as a designer, the responsibility of selling an accurate product falls on us. So the lesson here is ultimately, "respect the customer".
    Emphasis added by me. And did any of your customers try to tell you the headlights were the wrong shape?

    Because yeah, that's pretty much the extant of your issue with the model.

    Actually, yes. I actually had Firefighters right there next to me pointing out something being off. But I didn't argue over it or had someone else in the department making the issue worse. The error was corrected there and then. Only took a few minutes of my free time.

    That's all that had to be done. All TtC had to do was go "okay, thank you for pointing that out" and the issue would be resolved there and then. Because he himself said to me that he prided on his accuracy. So if it's not accurate, then either he's either full of it or he'll fix it later. But instead, people had nothing to do with the conversation, butting in and causing things to get worse by having the need to discredit the evidence out of a misunderstanding or because of personal bias. Which is apparently why we're having this little conversation and frankly, this needs to stop.

    We just have to agree to disagree. You say it's fine and you're welcome to express that opinion. And I said it's not and provided sound evidence. Nothing more to be said on this issue.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Also I think you are putting the firing point too high on the STO new model in your comparison, the lance assembly is slightly different but keep in mind STO Galaxy model is more based on the new CGI model that is slightly different that the physical models.

    That's why I used common points, from the center of the panel to the center of the lance muzzle.
  • dukewotzdukewotz Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    When, please, please, please, will there be a Tier 6 Scimitar? Love the Kara, but...think about it. Once the shipyards had the newer, shiny stuff at some point the flagship of the fleets is going back into the yards for a refit.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    dukewotz wrote: »
    When, please, please, please, will there be a Tier 6 Scimitar? Love the Kara, but...think about it. Once the shipyards had the newer, shiny stuff at some point the flagship of the fleets is going back into the yards for a refit.
    About the same time the redo the Oddy and Bortas. Which if this story is accurate isn't this year. might be an anniversary thing since that's when the originals came out.
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  • lordbrowaruslordbrowarus Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    [/quote]Emphasis added by me. And did any of your customers try to tell you the headlights were the wrong shape?

    Because yeah, that's pretty much the extant of your issue with the model.[/quote]

    But Criptic is not building NEW ship, it is REPLICA of ship we all saw in "All good things..."
    So if he would build, let's say 1938 Ford firetruck REPLICA, then yes, his customers could tell him that headlights are wrong shape. IMO

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