And the REASON the Enterprise was so big was because the Klingons and Federation spent 30 years completely reverse engineering the Narada, mastering late 24th century Romulan and Borg tech.
Uhm......what?!!? The Enterprise was already built before J.J.'s Starfleet even knew about Nero and the Narada.
Nope. The Kelvin's black box was responsible for most of the technological changes. Stated in multiple interviews by the screenwriters and I believe in early script drafts (but nixed by Abrams who felt it was better not to devote screentime to specifics of how and why the timeline deviated).
But the Klingons held and studied the Narada for 30 years (which there are hints of in the finished movie even with the Rura Penthe escape scene deleted) and the technology did leak, as well.
And the REASON the Enterprise was so big was because the Klingons and Federation spent 30 years completely reverse engineering the Narada, mastering late 24th century Romulan and Borg tech.
Uhm......what?!!? The Enterprise was already built before J.J.'s Starfleet even knew about Nero and the Narada.
Nope. The Kelvin's black box was responsible for most of the technological changes. Stated in multiple interviews by the screenwriters and I believe in early script drafts (but nixed by Abrams who felt it was better not to devote screentime to specifics of how and why the timeline deviated).
But the Klingons held and studied the Narada for 30 years (which there are hints of in the finished movie even with the Rura Penthe escape scene deleted) and the technology did leak, as well.
I question how this really helped them....?
Retired. I'm now in search for that perfect space anomaly.
Nope. The Kelvin's black box was responsible for most of the technological changes. Stated in multiple interviews by the screenwriters and I believe in early script drafts (but nixed by Abrams who felt it was better not to devote screentime to specifics of how and why the timeline deviated).
But the Klingons held and studied the Narada for 30 years (which there are hints of in the finished movie even with the Rura Penthe escape scene deleted) and the technology did leak, as well.
Yeah, so not in the actual movie, non-canon, never happened. Pretty much sums it up. Just like miscellaneous other examples from the shows and previous movies.
The screenwriters and other people involved in the movie can claim that Mickey Mouse was supposed to be the President of the Federation in ST:2009 if they want to, if it wasn't seen or said/mentioned in the movie - it didn't happen.
Nope. The Kelvin's black box was responsible for most of the technological changes. Stated in multiple interviews by the screenwriters and I believe in early script drafts (but nixed by Abrams who felt it was better not to devote screentime to specifics of how and why the timeline deviated).
But the Klingons held and studied the Narada for 30 years (which there are hints of in the finished movie even with the Rura Penthe escape scene deleted) and the technology did leak, as well.
Yeah, so not in the actual movie, non-canon, never happened. Pretty much sums it up. Just like miscellaneous other examples from the shows and previous movies.
The screenwriters and other people involved in the movie can claim that Mickey Mouse was supposed to be the President of the Federation in ST:2009 if they want to, if it wasn't seen or said/mentioned in the movie - it didn't happen.
that's CBS's definition of canon, but CBS didn't make that film; paramount did, and nobody knows if their definition of canon is the same as CBS's anal definition of it
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that's CBS's definition of canon, but CBS didn't make that film; paramount did, and nobody knows if their definition of canon is the same as CBS's anal definition of it
It's irrelevant to this discussion whether that's Paramount's definition of canon or not, as canon has nothing to do with the facts about this. And the facts are that this claim was never mentioned by a character in the movie and it was never shown to the audience - therefore it didn't happen.
Furthermore everyone's acting surprised and has no idea what's going on at Vulcan. One would think that an entire fleet of ships would at least last 10 minutes against a ship they'd have known about and had some access to her technology. The Enterprise was like 30 seconds late because of Sulu's mistake and when they warp-in the entire fleet is obliterated. If the Klingons really held and studied the Narada for 30 years, there would be no Narada for Nero to go back to. The Klingons would have picked it apart trying to study and reverse-engineer it. Hell, there would probably be no Nero by then. The Klingons defeated the Hur'q by reverse-engineering their technology and used that knowledge to forge a huge interstellar empire. If they studied the Narada for 30 years, a ship like that wouldn't destroy 40 of their ships that were built on basis on the same technology and then have them say that it was an 'unknown ship' that did it. The entire thing was probably scrapped because of being so stupid, so someone with some sense, probably Abrams himself said "lol....nope".
It's the same thing with the B'rel from the prime universe all over again. Sometime, somewhere, somehow in background it was supposed to be a Romulan ship - however that never happened on screen and the first time it appears on screen Spock calls it 'A Klingon Bird of Prey'.
that's CBS's definition of canon, but CBS didn't make that film; paramount did, and nobody knows if their definition of canon is the same as CBS's anal definition of it
It's irrelevant to this discussion whether that's Paramount's definition of canon or not, as canon has nothing to do with the facts about this. And the facts are that this claim was never mentioned by a character in the movie and it was never shown to the audience - therefore it didn't happen.
uh, yes, it has EVERYTHING to do with it, because if the CREATORS of the movie say that AR canon is defined as not only what is seen on screen for both 2009 and into darkness, but also in the two comic series and games related to the AR, to say nothing of deleted scenes or behind the scenes, then the kelvin obtained extensive scans of the narada before its destruction, the federation reverse-engineered several technologies based on scans recovered from its black box, including quantum torpedoes, gorn in JJTrek come from another galaxy and are those freakish-looking things seen in the rura penthe deleted scene and those anime catgirls ARE in fact caitians
and based on those last two bits, i suddenly seriously hope paramount's canon definition is the same as CBS's...
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
and based on those last two bits, i suddenly seriously hope paramount's canon definition is the same as CBS's...
Aaaand you've just said it yourself as to why they will never consider other associated content like comics or games to be a part of the movie, just like CBS doesn't. Because it will boil down to "We made a movie that makes no sense whatsoever, but if you want to make sense of it after your visit to the theater grab this few comics and play this couple of games and all shall be revealed. LOL " Yeah, I can imagine that going well with the general audience.
Let's face it, these attempts to make sense of some of the things from ST:2009 and ST:ID are just a try to satisfy our lust as fans for sense from some radical new things that are labeled as Star Trek, but in reality they have no basis at all. The Enterprise is not as big as it is because they somehow reverse-engineered the Narada off screen and then every member of the audience is supposed to know this because they personally know or read multiple interviews from background people on the set, it's big because they though it would look cool, because of scale with other things in some scenes and because of "oooooh, shiny!!! pew-pew lazorz!!!".
That's why the Klingons from ST:ID looked they way they did. That's why the chicks with Kirk are supposedly Caitians. Because someone thought it would be/look cooler that way. That's all there is to it. Unless we are expected to believe that the Narada's inclusion to the timeline somehow also managed to trigger a genetic evolution in multiple random species in the time span of 30 years.
i don't know about star trek, but in real life, black boxes are specifically designed to take a great deal of punishment; planes can ram into the ground (or a building, or a body of water) so hard they disintegrate on impact, but the black box will barely have a scratch on it
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
4 Nacelles: Cheyenne, Constellation, 4-nacelled Excelsior study I, 4-nacelled Excelsior study II, Nebula prototype I, Nebula prototype II, New Orleans.
The New Orleans class only has two nacelles. The two rectangular objects on the saucer section are not nacelles. The Prometheus is a 4 nacelle ship though.
The Prometheus has 5 nacelles.
You forgot the one that pops up from the Primary Hull.
There's two that pops out from Vector Alpha - the other is on the bottom.
To me I love the 3rd nacelle and bridge mounts. As its part of the actual ship. To me the ship shows as one not to be messed with. And makes an excellent Command ship of any Fleet.
I'm like the others, you want a regular Galaxy. Go fly one, and leave the Dread alone. I still have one character slot left, I even had thoughts of making it a future Galaxy Dread Capt.
Actually, thanks to the nacelle set up of the Prometheus, the third nacelle arrangement of the old FJ Dreadnought is now "Non-Alternate-Timeline" canon.
It's attachment to the primary hull mirrors the way the Prometheus' center nacelle was attached, it's just a lot bigger and doesn't retract.
No where in my post I was talking about the Prometheus and about time line it fitting in. I was talking about the ship itself only and it should have the 3rd nacelle.
The Federation Class is only a Connie in the similar set up. And it would be neat to have that in the game as well. Even as a lower Tier Dread.
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It's immaterial, because, again, the only evidence in the films themselves that the Enterprise is any bigger than the PU version is the single shuttlebay scene. The scaling of the details on the ship itself (phaser points, torpedo launchers, windows, deck heights etc.) all support a ship slightly larger than the original, 350m or so.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
It's immaterial, because, again, the only evidence in the films themselves that the Enterprise is any bigger than the PU version is the single shuttlebay scene. The scaling of the details on the ship itself (phaser points, torpedo launchers, windows, deck heights etc.) all support a ship slightly larger than the original, 350m or so.
Which is such a shockingly reasonable size that peeps who hate nu-Trek can't accept it.
It's immaterial, because, again, the only evidence in the films themselves that the Enterprise is any bigger than the PU version is the single shuttlebay scene. The scaling of the details on the ship itself (phaser points, torpedo launchers, windows, deck heights etc.) all support a ship slightly larger than the original, 350m or so.
Which is such a shockingly reasonable size that peeps who hate nu-Trek can't accept it.
That extra 50m is just ridiculous, 20m they could accept but 50 . If it's 350m it might as well be 720m because of... um, JJ?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Even minus the black box, the Klingons did capture the Narada for around 30 years of study (that is acknowledged even in the final cut of the film) and since the Federation isn't speaking Klingonese, this suggests that they got their hands on some of the technology.
Now, I can certainly accept that things which didn't make it onscreen MIGHT not have happened... But I also take issue with the idea that not being on screen means they definitely didn't happen.
I think it is a fair assumption that deviations from the Prime timeline in the J.J.-verse happened as a result of the Narada and Jellyfish's temporal incursions. This is stated in the movies. It is an integral part of the THEMES of the 2009 film, which centered around Kirk as an angry young man whose destiny had been stolen from him by time travelers and who proceeds to steal his destiny (more or less) back. That's what the film is ABOUT.
Now, the explanations for the deviations may not be what the screenwriters wrote, spitballed, or developed and dropped at the director's insistence. But to suggest that there CAN BE NO EXPLANATIONS because we didn't see any is absolutely silly. The nature of the explanations may be subject to the needs of future writers. That explanations EXIST for the deviations (regardless of whether we ever know all of them) is integral to the story. You have to accept on faith that unknown explanations exist to appreciate the full story. And to reject that unknown explanations exist is forcing yourself to reject the full scope of the story.
Want or not Gal-X became an iconic ship in star trek canon stop struggling and accept it.
Personaly i love you cryptic finaly i get true t6 dreadnought
What with buffing uni ensign to lieutenant in t6 variant and lt. Commander in fleet t6? it could give some spice to already good dreadnought.
Will there be 12th console slot in fleet t6? sci or engi+ 1???? no need for tac there is way too many fantastic uni consoles to chose from and i have almost all of them but sadly i have no more room in ship console slots
Even minus the black box, the Klingons did capture the Narada for around 30 years of study (that is acknowledged even in the final cut of the film) and since the Federation isn't speaking Klingonese, this suggests that they got their hands on some of the technology.
Now, I can certainly accept that things which didn't make it onscreen MIGHT not have happened... But I also take issue with the idea that not being on screen means they definitely didn't happen.
I think it is a fair assumption that deviations from the Prime timeline in the J.J.-verse happened as a result of the Narada and Jellyfish's temporal incursions. This is stated in the movies. It is an integral part of the THEMES of the 2009 film, which centered around Kirk as an angry young man whose destiny had been stolen from him by time travelers and who proceeds to steal his destiny (more or less) back. That's what the film is ABOUT.
Now, the explanations for the deviations may not be what the screenwriters wrote, spitballed, or developed and dropped at the director's insistence. But to suggest that there CAN BE NO EXPLANATIONS because we didn't see any is absolutely silly. The nature of the explanations may be subject to the needs of future writers. That explanations EXIST for the deviations (regardless of whether we ever know all of them) is integral to the story. You have to accept on faith that unknown explanations exist to appreciate the full story. And to reject that unknown explanations exist is forcing yourself to reject the full scope of the story.
I'm not saying there are no explanations, I just posted the actual explanations in my previous reply. What I'm saying is that the explanations are not the ones you seem to accept or like.
J.J.'s movies were purposely addressed to a wider audience than just Trekers/Trekkies or your average Star Trek fan. That's why they were blockbusters, that's why they were hits in theaters and that's why they made the amount of money they made. More than half of the people, if not more, that went to theaters around the world to see ST:2009 and ST:ID just went there to watch an action packed sci-fi flick by J.J.Abrams based on a popular franchise. They won't dig into the movie staff's background notes, they won't watch interviews with Kurtzman, Orci or whoever, they won't read Star Trek books or the comics related to the Abramsverse and they probably won't even play the games that someone else suggested can be "fillers" for the gaps missing in the movies.
You're telling me that the people making the movies expected the general audience to pick up off screen clues in order to fill in the "explanation gaps"? Yeah......nope, they didn't expect this, they didn't even expect that someone will have debates over this. It's a movie, they expected the audience to watch it and take it at face value - what you see is what you get. Something is bigger compared to sth. else, something is smaller, so what?
But this is fun, please share with me the explanation as to why the Klingons and Caitians look the way they do in J.J.'s movies and how did the Narada and Jellyfish's temporal incursions influenced such a radical change in genetics of two species that were supposed to look vastly different in the prime timeline over a period of just 30 years? *opens popcorn*
But this is fun, please share with me the explanation as to why the Klingons and Caitians look the way they do in J.J.'s movies and how did the Narada and Jellyfish's temporal incursions influenced such a radical change in genetics of two species that were supposed to look vastly different in the prime timeline over a period of just 30 years? *opens popcorn*
Okay then.
The Klingons look like that for the same reason the TMP Klingons look as they do. And why the TUC Klingons look as they do, and the TNG ones, and the DS9 ones. They have considerable variation in their species.
Is this really so different from this or this? I don't see people moaning endlessly about Chang and how he looks nothing like Martok. Klingons have different ridges get over it.
As for the second. They are not Caitians. If it's not onscreen it's not canon. They are simply catgirls of some sort. If the writers wanted them to be Caitians they should have made the effort to mention it onscreen or make them look like caitians.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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But this is fun, please share with me the explanation as to why the Klingons and Caitians look the way they do in J.J.'s movies and how did the Narada and Jellyfish's temporal incursions influenced such a radical change in genetics of two species that were supposed to look vastly different in the prime timeline over a period of just 30 years? *opens popcorn*
Because "bling" on the one hoof and irrational fear of "bestiality" on the other?
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Nope. The Kelvin's black box was responsible for most of the technological changes. Stated in multiple interviews by the screenwriters and I believe in early script drafts (but nixed by Abrams who felt it was better not to devote screentime to specifics of how and why the timeline deviated).
But the Klingons held and studied the Narada for 30 years (which there are hints of in the finished movie even with the Rura Penthe escape scene deleted) and the technology did leak, as well.
I question how this really helped them....?
Yeah, so not in the actual movie, non-canon, never happened. Pretty much sums it up. Just like miscellaneous other examples from the shows and previous movies.
The screenwriters and other people involved in the movie can claim that Mickey Mouse was supposed to be the President of the Federation in ST:2009 if they want to, if it wasn't seen or said/mentioned in the movie - it didn't happen.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
It's irrelevant to this discussion whether that's Paramount's definition of canon or not, as canon has nothing to do with the facts about this. And the facts are that this claim was never mentioned by a character in the movie and it was never shown to the audience - therefore it didn't happen.
Furthermore everyone's acting surprised and has no idea what's going on at Vulcan. One would think that an entire fleet of ships would at least last 10 minutes against a ship they'd have known about and had some access to her technology. The Enterprise was like 30 seconds late because of Sulu's mistake and when they warp-in the entire fleet is obliterated. If the Klingons really held and studied the Narada for 30 years, there would be no Narada for Nero to go back to. The Klingons would have picked it apart trying to study and reverse-engineer it. Hell, there would probably be no Nero by then. The Klingons defeated the Hur'q by reverse-engineering their technology and used that knowledge to forge a huge interstellar empire. If they studied the Narada for 30 years, a ship like that wouldn't destroy 40 of their ships that were built on basis on the same technology and then have them say that it was an 'unknown ship' that did it. The entire thing was probably scrapped because of being so stupid, so someone with some sense, probably Abrams himself said "lol....nope
It's the same thing with the B'rel from the prime universe all over again. Sometime, somewhere, somehow in background it was supposed to be a Romulan ship - however that never happened on screen and the first time it appears on screen Spock calls it 'A Klingon Bird of Prey'.
uh, yes, it has EVERYTHING to do with it, because if the CREATORS of the movie say that AR canon is defined as not only what is seen on screen for both 2009 and into darkness, but also in the two comic series and games related to the AR, to say nothing of deleted scenes or behind the scenes, then the kelvin obtained extensive scans of the narada before its destruction, the federation reverse-engineered several technologies based on scans recovered from its black box, including quantum torpedoes, gorn in JJTrek come from another galaxy and are those freakish-looking things seen in the rura penthe deleted scene and those anime catgirls ARE in fact caitians
and based on those last two bits, i suddenly seriously hope paramount's canon definition is the same as CBS's...
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Aaaand you've just said it yourself as to why they will never consider other associated content like comics or games to be a part of the movie, just like CBS doesn't. Because it will boil down to "We made a movie that makes no sense whatsoever, but if you want to make sense of it after your visit to the theater grab this few comics and play this couple of games and all shall be revealed. LOL
Let's face it, these attempts to make sense of some of the things from ST:2009 and ST:ID are just a try to satisfy our lust as fans for sense from some radical new things that are labeled as Star Trek, but in reality they have no basis at all. The Enterprise is not as big as it is because they somehow reverse-engineered the Narada off screen and then every member of the audience is supposed to know this because they personally know or read multiple interviews from background people on the set, it's big because they though it would look cool, because of scale with other things in some scenes and because of "oooooh, shiny!!! pew-pew lazorz!!!".
That's why the Klingons from ST:ID looked they way they did. That's why the chicks with Kirk are supposedly Caitians. Because someone thought it would be/look cooler that way. That's all there is to it. Unless we are expected to believe that the Narada's inclusion to the timeline somehow also managed to trigger a genetic evolution in multiple random species in the time span of 30 years.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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No where in my post I was talking about the Prometheus and about time line it fitting in. I was talking about the ship itself only and it should have the 3rd nacelle.
The Federation Class is only a Connie in the similar set up. And it would be neat to have that in the game as well. Even as a lower Tier Dread.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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That extra 50m is just ridiculous, 20m they could accept but 50
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Now, I can certainly accept that things which didn't make it onscreen MIGHT not have happened... But I also take issue with the idea that not being on screen means they definitely didn't happen.
I think it is a fair assumption that deviations from the Prime timeline in the J.J.-verse happened as a result of the Narada and Jellyfish's temporal incursions. This is stated in the movies. It is an integral part of the THEMES of the 2009 film, which centered around Kirk as an angry young man whose destiny had been stolen from him by time travelers and who proceeds to steal his destiny (more or less) back. That's what the film is ABOUT.
Now, the explanations for the deviations may not be what the screenwriters wrote, spitballed, or developed and dropped at the director's insistence. But to suggest that there CAN BE NO EXPLANATIONS because we didn't see any is absolutely silly. The nature of the explanations may be subject to the needs of future writers. That explanations EXIST for the deviations (regardless of whether we ever know all of them) is integral to the story. You have to accept on faith that unknown explanations exist to appreciate the full story. And to reject that unknown explanations exist is forcing yourself to reject the full scope of the story.
Personaly i love you cryptic finaly i get true t6 dreadnought
What with buffing uni ensign to lieutenant in t6 variant and lt. Commander in fleet t6? it could give some spice to already good dreadnought.
Will there be 12th console slot in fleet t6? sci or engi+ 1???? no need for tac there is way too many fantastic uni consoles to chose from and i have almost all of them but sadly i have no more room in ship console slots
I'm not saying there are no explanations, I just posted the actual explanations in my previous reply. What I'm saying is that the explanations are not the ones you seem to accept or like.
J.J.'s movies were purposely addressed to a wider audience than just Trekers/Trekkies or your average Star Trek fan. That's why they were blockbusters, that's why they were hits in theaters and that's why they made the amount of money they made. More than half of the people, if not more, that went to theaters around the world to see ST:2009 and ST:ID just went there to watch an action packed sci-fi flick by J.J.Abrams based on a popular franchise. They won't dig into the movie staff's background notes, they won't watch interviews with Kurtzman, Orci or whoever, they won't read Star Trek books or the comics related to the Abramsverse and they probably won't even play the games that someone else suggested can be "fillers" for the gaps missing in the movies.
You're telling me that the people making the movies expected the general audience to pick up off screen clues in order to fill in the "explanation gaps"? Yeah......nope, they didn't expect this, they didn't even expect that someone will have debates over this. It's a movie, they expected the audience to watch it and take it at face value - what you see is what you get. Something is bigger compared to sth. else, something is smaller, so what?
But this is fun, please share with me the explanation as to why the Klingons and Caitians look the way they do in J.J.'s movies and how did the Narada and Jellyfish's temporal incursions influenced such a radical change in genetics of two species that were supposed to look vastly different in the prime timeline over a period of just 30 years? *opens popcorn*
Okay then.
The Klingons look like that for the same reason the TMP Klingons look as they do. And why the TUC Klingons look as they do, and the TNG ones, and the DS9 ones. They have considerable variation in their species.
Is this really so different from this or this? I don't see people moaning endlessly about Chang and how he looks nothing like Martok. Klingons have different ridges get over it.
As for the second. They are not Caitians. If it's not onscreen it's not canon. They are simply catgirls of some sort. If the writers wanted them to be Caitians they should have made the effort to mention it onscreen or make them look like caitians.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Because "bling" on the one hoof and irrational fear of "bestiality" on the other?
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For shame.
Go fly one of the other dozen fed cruisers if you don't like it.