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So a T-6 Galaxy Dreadnought is coming. Can Cryptic please listen to Andrew Probert's opinion?

Because it's pretty clear.

Can we have the visual option to remove all the fins, cannon mounts, extra torpedo launchers and 3rd nacelle? Can we please strip the damn thing down to just having the lance attached? The extra bits are worthless and fugly.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Then it wouldn't be a Gal-X.....
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    I knew I saved this for a reason...
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  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    Because it's pretty clear.

    Can we have the visual option to remove all the fins, cannon mounts, extra torpedo launchers and 3rd nacelle? Can we please strip the damn thing down to just having the lance attached? The extra bits are worthless and fugly.

    Canon Ship. You want it all stripped off? Go talk to CBS. They own the Design, they make the rules.
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  • f9thretxcf9thretxc Member Posts: 505 Arc User
    Ya know, I kind of agree with Andy in the video. It worked for the non canon (ie Dreadnought novel and earlier designs) NCC-1701, But I just didn't care for the over all look on the big D. Then again, I thought the big D was not that impressive.

    Not trying to flame, as I know a lot of people like it, heck I even fly one on one of my toons, and I would never want to take anything away from someone. It's just not what I grew up with.

    As for the TNG episode itself, I always did like that one.
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  • zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    As long as they give the Gal-X Access to a 3 nacel version of the andromeda skin as well as the andromedas Boff layout with the Gal-X con layout I dont much care what they do with the rest of the ship. That is as long as the lance remains part of the ship and not a con
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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    I agree, two would be better than 3, although I'd also take a quad-nacelle configuration (double the middle pylon+nacelle and just move one to the left where the aft hull meets one pylon and the other to the right side to match) on the Andromeda-X as well.

    It'd be nice if they allow for removal of the 3rd nacelle+pylon, or at least allow subbing of a mission pod from the Nebula in its place (would look less silly than the 3rd nacelle, IMO).
  • thescottybthescottyb Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    Take the Excelsior. You can remove the extra impulse engines, the nacelle fins and the chunky things that stick out either side of the deflector. You can even mix and match them.

    Did CBS have to be consulted for that? Do you need me to get some crayons to explain this basic point to you, or will you just eat them if I try?
    Those are both canon variants of the Excelsior. In fact, if you only own the T3 Advanced Heavy Cruiser then you only have the pre-refit Excelsior (without the nacelle fins, larger saucer engines, or hull bulges).

    While there is a Cryptic-original design in the T6 Excelsior, all of its parts fit into the existing customization categories.

    As for the Galaxy-X third nacelle, not only is it a defining characteristic of the ship but adding a null option would run into problems for any VFX hard points that are tied to the space it occupies (this has even accidentally happened with some ships, the Constellation for example seems to have torpedo hard points floating behind it where all of the other Stargazer/Dakota/Cheyenne models have rear launchers) (neat idea about having a "mission pod" in its place, though, from an above reply). I also think the nacelle model is separate from the pylon, meaning that customization would allow the ship to have some weird fin; or if either can be null, a floating nacelle. Thus cleaning up the customization options for that would require more dev time.

    Instead, the Galaxy-X already exists. They adapted the Andromeda model parts to fit into the existing categories, and added dressing to match the theme of the existing models. And bam! it's done.

    More customization would be nice. It would always be nice. As players we see countless opportunities for more customization. But I doubt there's enough of a demand for a doubling of the number of saucers on the Gal-X (with/without bridge wings variants) and certainly not enough demand for sans-third-nacelle, to justify going back to do more work on it.

    Edit: Well, it looks like they did add a Galaxy Beta saucer (and struts) to the Dreadnaught. No idea if there's a Monarch, Venture, or Andromeda Beta that's sans bridge fins, though. So that's something!
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    I think you could argue for a Galaxy-X where the third nacelle looks more organic and where the lance is more organic.

    So far, the Galaxy-Xes in STO build on Galaxy variants and appear to continue to do with with T6.

    It would be really interesting if they reversed that for a future variant, designed G-X variant FIRST and then adapted it to a two nacelle design.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,901 Arc User
    Because it's pretty clear.

    Can we have the visual option to remove all the fins, cannon mounts, extra torpedo launchers and 3rd nacelle? Can we please strip the damn thing down to just having the lance attached? The extra bits are worthless and fugly.

    So basically just want it to look like a Galaxy class? So this topic again...
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    I knew I saved this for a reason...
    It's a pity you don't know when a "you serious?" reaction video is an appropriate response.
    It doesn't look like a Gal-X without the center nacelle. So a proposal to remove the most significant feature? Seems like the right time to me.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,901 Arc User
    I knew I saved this for a reason...
    It's a pity you don't know when a "you serious?" reaction video is an appropriate response.
    It doesn't look like a Gal-X without the center nacelle. So a proposal to remove the most significant feature? Seems like the right time to me.

    I gotta agree...I'm sorry but I think it's silly that people just want it to basically look like a Galaxy class and the only thing they're willing to even keep you can't even see from behind your ship.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    Because it's pretty clear.

    Can we have the visual option to remove all the fins, cannon mounts, extra torpedo launchers and 3rd nacelle? Can we please strip the damn thing down to just having the lance attached? The extra bits are worthless and fugly.

    Andrew Probert's opinion on warp physics was invalidated the moment Tholian ships turned up in "The Tholian Web".
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  • comrademococomrademoco Member Posts: 1,694 Bug Hunter
    It always... interesting... when players take a 'sample' image as a 'confirmation' of game updates.

    Has it been confirmed that the T6 G-X will be here?
    As far as I know, I've not found a single dev response stating that they'll be releasing it...

    Now, don't take what I just said as... saying that it wont happen, I don't know. But I just wonder why players take sample images are confirmation of updates... Something that has always made me ponder.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    It always... interesting... when players take a 'sample' image as a 'confirmation' of game updates.

    Has it been confirmed that the T6 G-X will be here?
    As far as I know, I've not found a single dev response stating that they'll be releasing it...

    Now, don't take what I just said as... saying that it wont happen, I don't know. But I just wonder why players take sample images are confirmation of updates... Something that has always made me ponder.
    It was a dev blog about the Admiralty system. IF it had been a regular Gal-X picture people would have questioned it, but it was a picture of a new never-before seen variant. That seems like overkill for something that's just a mock-up. Especially given that the image apparently isn't a mock-up at all, but an actual screenshot of the system.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Just the option to remove the third nacelle would be fine. And to have those phaser strip nacelles on the normal Galaxy.​​
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  • sqwishedsqwished Member Posts: 1,475 Bug Hunter
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I gotta agree...I'm sorry but I think it's silly that people just want it to basically look like a Galaxy class and the only thing they're willing to even keep you can't even see from behind your ship.

    I'm forced to agree with both yourself and Markhawkman in this thread. If you want to fly a ship that looks for all intents and purpose like a regular Galaxy class, then the simple option would be to go fly a regular Galaxy class. And before anyone mentions the spinal lance, especially from the T5/U version, well it was never that good in the first place even if you spec'd into phasers to buff the hell out of it. The logical argument here would have been to have the position of the firing chamber adjusted so it, doesn't sit off center like it currently does. Or more to the point if you dont like the design, then simply don't purchase it.​​
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    I think if you want a cannon-equipping Galaxy with some kind of lance, the stronger pitch would be for the New Orleans class.

    Nobody knows what the paint markers attached to the hull are but they look like a triple lance to me and the proportions of the ship make it look higher turnrate.

    It's probably the kitbash ship with the biggest fan support to include in game.

    Just make it a Tactical Galaxy variant that goes the other direction with Tac-orientation than the G-X.

    New Orleans Class Exploration Destroyer. Saucer sep and alternate Venture/Monarch-derived skins.

    Maybe along with a new Nebula T6.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    I think if you want a cannon-equipping Galaxy with some kind of lance, the stronger pitch would be for the New Orleans class.

    Nobody knows what the paint markers attached to the hull are but they look like a triple lance to me and the proportions of the ship make it look higher turnrate.

    It's probably the kitbash ship with the biggest fan support to include in game.

    Just make it a Tactical Galaxy variant that goes the other direction with Tac-orientation than the G-X.

    New Orleans Class Exploration Destroyer. Saucer sep and alternate Venture/Monarch-derived skins.

    Maybe along with a new Nebula T6.
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  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edalgo wrote: »
    Andrew Probert sounds like a bitter old man bc his creation was changed without his opinion or consent. He didn't seem to understand it was an alternate future timeline where there was more conflict.

    Roddenberry has been quoted saying what happens on screen is canon! And many alien ships don't follow the 2 nacelle rule. Even during TOS and early TNG while Roddenberry was in charge.
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  • storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,286 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    Because it's pretty clear.

    Can we have the visual option to remove all the fins, cannon mounts, extra torpedo launchers and 3rd nacelle? Can we please strip the damn thing down to just having the lance attached? The extra bits are worthless and fugly.

    Who the heck is Andrew Probert? Opinions are like b##s...everyone's got one. I could care less for any divergent opinions and like the ship as is...just another insignificant opinion dino5-22.gif​​
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  • sorceror01sorceror01 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    I am still flabbergasted to this day by people who demand to have their Gal-X be stripped down to essentially be a Galaxy with a phaser lance.
    Guys, you are missing the point of the Gal-X.
    It was intentionally designed to be a big, obtuse-looking monster. Just the cheesiest, most counter-intuitive additions to an elegant and subdued starship. You're supposed to have a kind of "What The" reaction when you see it.
    You guys want to fly a Gal-X without actually having to digest the look of the thing, and that's silly. You need to make peace with what it is and just kinda revel in that.
    To fly a Galaxy-X, and not complain about its looks, is to admit that you have just the slightest sense of humor about you.
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  • teluasteluas Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    I personally think that the Gal-X NEEDS to have some of the attachments (fins, lance, etc.) to set it apart - I just really dislike the 3rd nacelle. It just looks out of place on a Federation starship, IMO. Having the ability to remove the 3rd nacelle would be a good thing, just not all the other stuff. Maybe they (the devs/artists) could design a "modernized" set of nacelles that are unique to the Gal-X that would help set it apart without needing the 3rd one?

    Just my 2 EC...
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    Incidentally, I agree totally that the Galaxy-X is inorganic as a design.

    But I also think that it was deliberately presented as an obsolete ship MacGyvered into continued service and that continued use of some of those elements in DS9 really suggested that the Galaxy was being adapted to purposes it wasn't suited to.

    That's why I think the design works.

    A Galaxy that has been adapted into a warship and looks beautiful would be an even bigger contradiction than a Galaxy adapted into a warship that looks ill-suited to the task. I think it should look a bit clunky.

    Incidentally, I watched more videos and I liked Drexler's thoughts on the Enterprise-J. Very entertaining. He's definitely a proponent of a less grounded, more alien and absurdist Star Trek and I can dig that.
  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    Because it's pretty clear.

    Can we have the visual option to remove all the fins, cannon mounts, extra torpedo launchers and 3rd nacelle? Can we please strip the damn thing down to just having the lance attached? The extra bits are worthless and fugly.

    Then it wouldn't be a Gal-X.....

    All it needs to be a Gal-X is the lance.


    Did you actually listen to him? The first thing he said was that it's got a "cannon," clearly, if you're going by the gospel of Probert, you would have to lose the lance as well.

    So. . . you want a T-6 Galaxy (-X) . . . which we already have . . . ? So. . . . ???
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  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    storules wrote: »
    Because it's pretty clear.

    Can we have the visual option to remove all the fins, cannon mounts, extra torpedo launchers and 3rd nacelle? Can we please strip the damn thing down to just having the lance attached? The extra bits are worthless and fugly.

    Who the heck is Andrew Probert? Opinions are like b##s...everyone's got one. I could care less for any divergent opinions and like the ship as is...just another insignificant opinion dino5-22.gif​​

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