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- So, the events of Contagion never happened (gee thanks for erasing one of the best episodes of early TNG, devs). So, where is the Yamato? Why do you deny us Donald Varley's epic mustache?
- By extension, what happened to Taris? She never encountered Iconian technology in this timeline either. Is she still alive?
- Will the random thing that the Borg found in the alternate timeline that made them so much stronger ever be explained?
- Are we just letting the Krenim keep their highly dangerous and despicable time altering doom ship?
- So we're just letting the Preservers stay dead and never explaining their role in all this and what they had to say?
- Are we declaring keepsies on the two Dyson Spheres and their associated gates? I suppose that's the least the Iconians could do to apologise for their impolite behaviour, but it'd be nice if they said so.
- Will Kagran return to the brain slug planet?
Feel free to add your own, I've probably forgot some.
- By extension, what happened to Taris? She never encountered Iconian technology in this timeline either. Is she still alive?
- Will the random thing that the Borg found in the alternate timeline that made them so much stronger ever be explained?
- Are we just letting the Krenim keep their highly dangerous and despicable time altering doom ship?
- So we're just letting the Preservers stay dead and never explaining their role in all this and what they had to say?
- Are we declaring keepsies on the two Dyson Spheres and their associated gates? I suppose that's the least the Iconians could do to apologise for their impolite behaviour, but it'd be nice if they said so.
- Will Kagran return to the brain slug planet?
Feel free to add your own, I've probably forgot some.
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- why the iconian left our galaxy for Andromeda?
- what is the purpose of the experiments done by the solanae/elachi? (bring back the solanae?)
This. I'm very interested in knowing the answer.
The solanae and elachi are servitor races. The solanae are the scientists, the elachi the soldiers (used to hide the real power behind the attacks against alpha / beta quadrant races).
To clarify on TNG Contagion, Butterfly alters events so that Contagion never happens.
Regardless of how timey wimey restored everything to close to how it was, this was not done by restoring the event that led the Yamato to Iconia and made Taris follow them.
Therefore, both should still logically be alive.
yes, i know
For the same reason as the vaadwaur : to have access to technologies centuries ahead of their own.
As Annorax said: He changed the events of time back and forth, up to the point where he often deleted species and brought them back...
Clearly this particular event was restored, since romulus is still destroyed, and we know the location of the Iconian homeworld.
Really simple to grasp.
Cardassians
Breen
Tholians
Deferi
Talarians
Borg
Borg Cooperative
Undine
Voth
Benthans
Zahl
1b: Where were the...
Elachi (Blogs don't count)
Solanae (Granted. Delta Flight explained why they never made an appearence but... maybe they're still abducting people?)
Bluegills
2: The feck is the "Alpha Predator" of New Romulus... I want to know!
3: When the war started and it became obvious we took a beating the first day... why didn't we go all trek, trying to form alliances with... anyone? (See #1)
4: What caused the Solanae Dyson Sphere to break?
5: How many Spheres were there? (While in Broken Circle there's a line like "This Sphere is one of many the Alliance has been attacking." Implying there is more than one being used by the Iconians.)
6: Why only 8 episodes?
7: Why bring the Krenim into this war?
8: Where was the "war" ?
No it isn't, unless you can specifically point to how deleting the Borg transwarp hub would lead the Yamato back to Iconia.
Everything in Year of Hell had a suitable expalanation and the writers didn't just hide behind timey wimey. Deleting one species removed a crucial antibody from the Krenim. Deleting another removed their competition. Deleting a comet would erase several species, and deleting the time ship itself reverted everything it did.
In Butterfly, deleting the element that led to the Yamato finding Iconia caused the Borg to expand because BLANK.
Deleting the transwarp hub restored everything to an approximation of how it was because BLANK.
These are therefore unanswered questions, as is the fate of the Yamato.
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I'm not sure why most people seem to assume that Taris is dead. See: "Leap of Faith" accolade or just take a running leap off the open balcony thingy of your fleet spire. For all we know, that's some kind of built-in safety feature of all the spheres. Heck, for all we know, that Herald ship that rose up and announced "I see you" grabbed her and farmed her out to an Elachi spore incubator.
It's their ship. Are you going to try take something away from the owners who can erase you from time?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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They still found it in this timeline - it's tied to Noye's wife's race. Her race fought off the Borg with it in the original timeline but in this timeline they assimilated her race and acquired whatever it was.
In this timeline we just removed a Transwarp conduit that prevented them from reaching our part of the galaxy so easy. They are still super-powerful in this timeline.
I for one, am looking forward to new a Borg story in the future. It's not right to buff them up like this and then just sweep them under a carpet like it never happened.
I strongly disagree. Enough with the borg ! How many times are we going to have to beat this species ? Furthermore, there are plenty of other enemies in the TV series or movies that did not yet appeared in the game and that deserves to be present, the Son'a, The sphere builders or the Na'kuhl for example.
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It would not be logic for the Alliance, so soon after the bloody Iconian war, to launch a new war. If the Alliance is under attack, she has no choice but to fight, but this is a somewhat different case.
The alliance is in no condition to wage war... Alone or in a group...
EVERY major power in the galaxy has been decimated by the Iconians... Federation, Klingon, 8472, Dominion, Benthans, Kazon, Romulans... All of them
Why do you say that? What part of this season erases that?
Which causes more direct damage than Sela ever did.
Don't care about the alternate timeline, it was erased.
Who is to say that was the only out post they built. If they were as powerful and expansive across the Galaxy as it seems, there should be many places like that planet.
Interesting question for the truce talks after the war. Another elephant in the Alpha Quadrant is the Iconians themselves now living with us on Iconia again, with their huge gate network. Does the new peace mean we'll get to use that, or are they still going to hold to their Iconian Prime Directive?
I have my own ideas on this but the gist of what I'd say is: Let's have a Borg-created threat that eclipses the Borg. Something the Collective creates that surpasses them. And then write the Collective out of STO. And whoever wants the Borg gets the new threat and whoever is sick of the Borg gets the new threat.
Nope. Borgs are fine. They are just misunderstood. Proof: Seven of Nine, Hugh, The Cooperative.
The real enemy is Janeway lol.
Contagion still happened.
Taris got 300'd by Sela, and doubt she survived the fall.
Probably.
I'm sure that will be answered in "soon".
Unless specified differently, the Preservers are still dead (at least the ones in Deferi Territory). Though given this storyline, I now question why the Iconians murdered the Preservers when they were neutral.
Dyson Spheres, likely that the Herald Sphere will remain off limits. But the other two spheres, we can keep.
Only Taco's know.
-Cardassians have military (and so does Japan BTW), the Cardassian Union is back to its former glory by 2392, the True Way stole 75 ships from the Cardassian Union circa 2400, Cardassians appear in several alliance meetings and there are a couple of Cardassian ships defending Earth.
-Breen are no longer hostile to the federation and they are not at war, they are however at war with the Klingons, but I'm pretty sure the federation would make an exception and let them cross their territory to participate in the war as long as they remain neutral to the alliance, after all, they did this with the Dominion taskforce, they let them cross the wormhole to help against the Iconians, I really was expecting the Breen to show up in the battle for Earth.
-Tholians can attack the Iconians head on via Azure nebula, they have subspace corridors (like those encountered by the Voyager when they met the Turei) leading there.
-Talarians, you are right, plus they don't have advanced technology.
-Deferi are peaceful and won't attack at all.
-Delta alliance ships did participate in the defense of Earth, including a Kobali cruiser and a Zhal ship, an expeditionary force maintained by us is a possibility and it's on their best interest.
-Borg and Undine can appear wherever the hell they want thanks to fluidic space and tranwarp network, Voth have advanced transwarp, I was expecting the Undine to be the cavalry in the defense of Earth instead of the Dominion, since they owe us one and they hate Iconians.
-About the Elachi and the Bluegill, it makes no sense for those 2 to leave the war, they are servitor races, even if they got their asses kicked they can still be used as cannon fodder and they cannot refuse to participate.
Yes it did. We tried to stop the Iconians from arriving in the 25th century which, as you probably notice, left the sector open to a massive borg invasion. Romulus got assimilated, we fired the weapon again in a wild attempt to fix things, and that nearly restored the original timeline save for the Scientist Wife's species (they got destroyed.)
Where we ended up was almost exactly where we started out, only with more data. That means that nothing about TNG was altered, the episode "Contagion" still happens exactly as it did before including the destruction of one epic mustache (see. Romulus still being destroyed, not being assimilated by borg, and most notably of all the iconian war still happening in this era.)
That also covers a lot of the other "hanging" points (we didn't change any major events, we only fulfilled it them in the last episode) except for those that deal with "what happens next" and it's probably worth remembering that a good series doesn't resolve absolutely EVERY SINGLE detail in one go. Sometimes they take care of things later (see. developing the universe. Dealing with the Krenim sometime soon is probably a significant step along the long road to the temporal cold war.) :P
(and btw, you can damn well be we've got keepsies on the two dyson spheres. We'd lose four content-rich zones otherwise. And it's not like it changes much for the FED/KDF/ROM because for the entire run of DS9, Voy, and all of the next gen movies the FED had the Jeynolan sphere to play with. Interesting but largely inconsequential thing x2 still results in interesting but largely inconsequential plot developments.)
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-A "self defense force" is still a military force, lets not argue semantics here, the Cardassians have ships, many ships and a fully functional armada, they are part of the alliance and they've sent ships to help us defend Earth, including their flagship.
-The Breen are not hostile to the federation, they are hostile to the Deferi and just because they wanted a piece of information from their planet, they were not interested in a conflict with us, in most missions we attack them, not the other way around, they were just looking for the preservers, hell there is a chance we were just picking on a team of archaeologists, replay the Breen arc.
-The Azure nebula is a huge nebula, way bigger than several solar systems and space is a 3D envinornment, so it's not a bottleneck, also: "Recent Tholian activity in the region has uncovered a series of subspace corridors throughout the nebula. These corridors may lead to other regions of space or even other dimensions." I never said they could appear anywhere, I said they can appear in the Nebula, which is located near New Romulus where most of the action is happening.
-You replay Borg Disconnected, and this time make sure you complete all objectives.
-Replay Borg disconnected (again), pay attention and read the information, Borg Disconnected happens in 2410, the Voth appear there with a brand new fortress ship after we blew up their other fortress a mere year ago, now keep telling me they have nothing left when they have a 134.5 km long ship and fleet big enough to attack 4 mayor galactic superpowers at the same time, either they have ships to spare or they are just plain stupid.
-You re-watch Voyager and replay fluidic dynamics and mindscape.
Why do the undine came to our galaxy to attack the borg? because the Borg entered fluidic space with hostile intentions; Why do the undine came to our galaxy to attack us? because they though we entered fluidic space with hostile intentions.
Then in mindscape we proved to them it was the Iconians and that they were being used, thus ending our conflict with them, so they owe us that, and knowing they hate everyone that enters fluidic space they should be really really mad at the Iconians.
-It doesn't matter, tactically it makes no sense, servitor races mean nothing to the Iconians, even if the Elachi have a single shuttle left, it would make more sense for the Iconians to send that ship on a suicide mission than risking their beloved heralds, no Elachi in the war --> plot hole.
-Bluegills make for excellent shocktroopers, they are disposable easy to breed warrior and we know the Iconians send ground forces to the planets they invade (replay Blood of Ancients and Brotherhood of the Sword), again it makes more sense to send bluegills first and then send their valuable heralds to defeat whatever weakened forces remain, no bluegills in the war--> another plot hole.
Once again, you've shown a critical lack of understand basic plot points made throughout the game's incredibly simple narrative.
If you take the example of the japanese self-defense force, it is indeed a military force, but lacking three of the main assets of a full military force : aircraft carriers, nuclear weapons and force-projection airplanes / ships, since she is forbidden by treaty to build them. So in the ST universe, a self-defense force could suffer the same kind of restrictions, like a limitation of ship mass, class (no battlecruisers, no escorts, and so on) or weaponry.