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deaftravis05
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A theory I would like to propose about the "Other"...
it has been removed from time, and the Iconians can't find the Other because the other exists outside of time!
it has been removed from time, and the Iconians can't find the Other because the other exists outside of time!
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They said that they were saved by the Other, that it took centuries to rebuild their bonds and some other things. But I didn't get the impression that they're actively looking for this 'Other' and that they're unable to find him.
I'm referring to Broken Circle btw... I may have forgotten about some other lore.
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I think the "other" will turn out to be us, the player.
The Other as the Sphere Builders, creating themselves.
The Other as a Temporal Cold War Faction. I really expect TCW Guy to become a major player in STO. And, yes, he's Romulan. Maybe he's someone familiar. Maybe he's D'Tan in his casual Friday form.
The Other as Dukat. Because, really, I don't care if it makes sense. He's Dukat. He's crazy, evil, brilliant, and resourceful.
The Other as Male Iconians. Because we haven't seen any.
The Other as Mirror Iconians.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Plus finding who the other is (after another one of their probes does something to end the current war) would make for a great premise for an "explore strange new worlds" S11.
But because that would be too interesting I've got to put my official guess as Q (de Lancie). Q's got his hand in the development of galactic civilization already (see. TNG) and is probably the only popular force in ST lore that could step in to save a galactic super-power from total annihilation (when they couldn't do it themselves.)
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the Others are the wormhole aliens, indifferent to the petty circumstances of corporeal life (what the iconians would have been when they were saved in this theory) until the sisko introduced to them time and human ways, who is now a wormhole alien (or at least has their ear and exists out of time). we go back to ds9 in new dawn where the sisko will assist in making everything as it should be with a little wormhole plot magic
As the "Other" conversation goes... at this point i wouldn't be surprised if Armus was involved....
They also used to talk pretty weird about the emissary, future, past present and everything else in general.
My best bet is also on the Prophets and STO’s coming story shift to DS9 related stuff.
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Ok that made me chuckle. I can just imagine him explaining it.."Well....everyone has to have a hobby!"
I would love it to be Dukat, especially if they were able to get Marc Alaimo to do the voice acting. Thinking on, that would tie in with the promised Cardassian revamp?
That could even still tie into my wormhole alien idea, but now making the pa wraiths the others. Hmm, another Sisko/Dukat showdown preceded by some witty banter? yes please.
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And now you know WHY Iconians are all females, but Heralds are all males.
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Who has been in the background since day one, subtly manipulating/ordering our Federation character into key events, has been solely responsible for promoting us from an Ensign to a Fleet Admiral within a matter of months, somehow manages to avoid being replaced by an Undine for lord alone knows how long, especially when said Undine had a major chance to do so during the attack on ESD AND is oh so conveniently not killed when the Iconian appears in the Great Hall for the first time and takes out the Klingon High Council with just a wave of her hand?
The Other is Admiral Quinn.
Either that or the entire thing is a Red Herring by Cryptic to get me to come up with a random and completely off the wall speculation like this one...
I think by Q2 we're talking about Psych TV dad/L.A. Lawyer/Lawyer in half the Christian courtroom dramas about the devil/Q2 Corbin Bernsen.
Maybe he's had time to think about what he did outside time and space. Keep the grandeur of the evil version. Throw in a bit of Flash's Zoom: "I'm subjecting the galaxy to adversity to make it better. A diamond is only formed by heat and pressure. I can see across time and space and I know that these wars will bring you all together, unite you over your petty differences. I'm not taking the deaths of billions casually. I'm trying to make a better world by subjecting the galaxy to war and strife until the galaxy grows sick of war and strife. A galaxy divided over petty cultural differences doesn't deserve to exist. But by hastening your conflicts from my place outside of time and space, I'm bringing you all together. I made my mistakes, to be sure, but here outside time with the Pagh Wraiths, I saw them for what they were: petty and hateful. I decided to embrace love instead. WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THAT? I'm only killing your people because I love you all so much."
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1. Sphere Builders.
-Obvious hint at their involvement in this story was obvious in butterfly. Both bent on galactic domination. Both use technology to distort space so that it would become habitable for other dimensional species. Both consist of female only leadership councils. Not sure how it would work, but indeed the similarities between the Iconians and Sphere Builders are striking.
2. Mirror Iconians.
-We know based on teasers and interviews that MU is an upcoming focus, and that MU will have dealt with their own Iconians.
3. Hur'q.
-Outside chance, but we know that the founders are familiar with the Other, which would make sense if they came from the delta quadrant. Butterfly also brought up them as having been integral to the timeline and being influenced by Iconian events. One last notable is that an Ionian was injured by the sword of Kahless, an artifact that has been of Hur'q interest in the past. Though the timeline doesn't quite match up though, we know just how fluid time can be.
2. Why does everyone keep insisting that "the other" is the "others?" Every instance of this dialog has been singular in nature, not plural... not races but A being, The other.
Thanks to those Solane experiments her species did, she was not completely erased from the timeline, she just disappeared from the point of view of everyone else. She returns to her former lover and husband and he doesn't recognize her - worse, being his abrasive self he completely alienates her. And she gets furious, and so angry that she sets all the events in motion - she travels back in time to save 12 Iconians from the destruction of their species, and sets them on their course of conquest. And she kicks off the Temporal Cold War...
.... You wouldn't happen to be the person who wrote Oz the Great and Powerful are you?
I think even Cryptic aren't stupid enough to do the spurned lover storyline, but just to be safe let's not give them ideas.
Nevermind that, again, you can't make a predestination paradox with the Sphere Builders in this fashion.
How do you know there are only two sexes? The Undine has as many as five sexes...
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Maybe.... we saw him kind of explode though... There's a Extended Universe book that has both "god" and another beign like him, 0(Zero) roaming the Milky Way causing all sorts of trouble untill the Q Continuum locked them up... God in the center of the universe behind the Great Barrier and 0 exiled outside the Galaxy by the Galactic Barrier...
Personally I STILL think it's Armas from Skin of Evil though....
"I am a skin of evil, left here by a race of titans who believed if they rid themselves of me they would free the bonds of destructiveness."
That's how. The Prophets said "The other saved them, the other shall save them again"
Armas was believed to be the amalgamation of all the "evil" cast aside by titans... but in Skin of Evil it's made very clear that Armas is more than just another villain... he's as close to an Iconain as you can get without being one.("And still you die from a flick of my power.") Not only this but he's the sum of not only the "loneliness" but also the doubt and depression of those Titans... loathing which became deceit and anger over the millennia of being alone.
What we know of the Iconains is that they're Energy beings.... and here is Armas.... The Physical remains of what was once "titans."