Might just as well incorporate them some how into your own head-canon, cause it's more than likely if STO lasts long enough they will appear in the game.
This is actually a interesting point. I actually don'T feel the inclusion of every possible thing ever mentioned in canon is a good thing for STO. Because most of the time the obvious name-dropping for recognition doesn't feel as if it would add something. I'd rather see truly original Cryptic creations, like Defera, make it into the game and integrate themselves into the known lore instead of forcefully throwing canon occurences together which didn't even have a connection in the first place.
Trying to include every possible thing that ever occured in canon would probably be a bit of a stretch. But I do like how STO has been able to take so many disparate elements of Star Trek and creatively make connections between them.
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The story of Insurrection sucked. The Son'a had cool ships though.
I don't want the entirety of Insurrection brought to STO, but the dev team cherry picks which parts of Star Trek to include (which I think is the best strategy). I think it would be cool for Cryptic to bring the Son'a into the game as an NPC faction and to add in a Son'a lockbox since the ships are pretty cool.
Tacofangs might barf at the idea, but at least we aren't asking for the Monean "World Ocean" from the Voyager episode "Thirty Days". I'm sure he'd love the idea of creating Lemuria 2.0.
There is a "fan believe" that resides within the "trekdom" that the probe from TMP is somehow supposed to be Borg or send by the Borg or be the founder of the Borg. Of course it isn't and people who still cling to this theory obviously didn't understand the basic in-lore concept of either of those beings AND disregard the out-of-universe reasons the two cannot be related. Cryptic however paid tribute to the matter by modelling their "Borg command ships" after the machine being V'Ger in TMP.
That fan belief is based on the game Star Trek : Legacy, and its one of the least obnoxious of the conflicting Borg Origin theories/stories that have been thrown out over the years. Here right from Memory Beta:
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A later origin was discovered by the Vulcan scientist T'Uerell during her attempt to become the new controlling entity within the Collective in order to mold the galaxy into a realm of pure logic. After entering a deep meditative state, she mind melded with the Borg Collective consciousness and discovered that the origin of the Collective lies with the human-built machine probe that would be known as "V'Ger." The probe fell into a black hole where space and even time are bent. Through whatever providence, this machine survived. Living machines found the probe and altered it. Its programming was a mystery to them, but they interpreted it as best they could. They returned it to the creator, but it could find nothing. No others like it and none that could have created it. In that moment, the probe decided all carbon-based life was an infestation of the creator's universe. That assimilation was their only useful purpose...as tools for it to learn and grow. It catalogued all carbon-based life and their technology. It created drones in their image and merged them into a collective consciousness. This is where the Borg began, sent out as heralds to find its creator and to learn all that is learnable and return that information to V'Ger for assimilation. As the collective grew the necessity for a single voice became the only logical recourse. The Collective found the females of certain species displayed a mental prowess, enabling them to sift through thousands of thoughts and bring order to chaos. Installing these females as the Collective's processors of information, they became much more efficient. With thoughts and desires of her own, she was no longer bound to serve V'Ger. But the destruction of the Queen put a limit on the life of the Collective. With its size and power unregulated it would become chaos.(ST video game: Legacy)
Will have to check again myself, but I believe in the XBOX 360' game Star Trek Legacy, there is some mention of this.
Don't think its considered canon as it's only a game.
I've got it for PC, and yea it is a pretty good theory on the origins of the Borg.
On Topic: I don't think they got Insurrection wrong. It was a moral question, and IMO pretty deep. Picard put it rather well when he confronted the Admiral over how many people were being moved.
Admiral: We're only moving 300 people.
Picard: How many people does it take Admiral?
The point was it was a forced relocation, against their will. Picard even stated that history shows that forced relocations lead to destruction of cultures. The Ba'ku chose to live there. What right does anyone have to force them out only for resources or determine their next course of their evolution?
Not only was the Holoship a violation of the Treaty of Algeron, which by all rights Picard is justified in enforcing, the order to allow a forced relocation could be considered an illegal order and therefor Picard is not obligated to follow it.
The Federation has always upheld high morals. What Picard faced in Insurrection was, as he put it, an attack on its very soul. He chose to uphold the ideals of the Federation, even if it meant defying a superior officer to do it.
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Picard forgot that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. He also forgot "Journey's End" as well, apparently. Why should 300 Baku enjoy the planet when it could save billions? I'd TRIBBLE over the Baku myself if that was the case.
"The Federation has always upheld high morals."
Yes. And with an impressively high body count at that.
I also recommend watching SFDebris' review of Insurrection. You will find it enlightening. Chuck breaks down Picard's logic into splinters
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The method used by the Son'a would have rendered the planet uninhabitable. A valuable M class planet.
Starfleet wants to study the concentration of Metaphasic particles in the rings? Fine! Set up a science facility now that we know the Ba'ku are actually a Warp Capable species. Don't drag them off a world they chose to live on and pretty much nuke the planet for a finite supply of particles.
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Picard forgot that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. He also forgot "Journey's End" as well, apparently. Why should 300 Baku enjoy the planet when it could save billions? I'd TRIBBLE over the Baku myself if that was the case.
"The Federation has always upheld high morals."
Yes. And with an impressively high body count at that.
Pretty much this. Wesley Crusher was in Picard's same exact shoes in "Journey's End". Insurrection, honestly, was just a remake of "Journey's End" from a story perspective and another reason why Star Trek was suffering from franchise fatigue.
Picard treated Wesley the same way Doughtery treated Picard. Same moral equivelants, but only now Picard has completely reversed his position of "not caring" about Wesley's emotional feelings on the 'native americans' that were to be relocated from a Cardassian territory, to caring about the Ba'ku being forcibly relocated.
Picard reached peak hypocrisy in Insurrection.
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Pretty much this. Wesley Crusher was in Picard's same exact shoes in "Journey's End". Insurrection, honestly, was just a remake of "Journey's End" from a story perspective and another reason why Star Trek was suffering from franchise fatigue.
Picard treated Wesley the same way Doughtery treated Picard. Same moral equivelants, but only now Picard has completely reversed his position of "not caring" about Wesley's emotional feelings on the 'native americans' that were to be relocated from a Cardassian territory, to caring about the Ba'ku being forcibly relocated.
Picard reached peak hypocrisy in Insurrection.
Wouldn't be the first time a movie ignored something from the series. Same movie, Dianna said she never kissed Riker with a beard before. Yet in the series she actually did kiss Beard Riker.
I would rationalize Picard changing his stance to the fact that by the time of Insurrection, Picard is a bit older and more exprienced than he was in Journey's End. A lot has happened between them.
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Will have to check again myself, but I believe in the XBOX 360' game Star Trek Legacy, there is some mention of this.
Don't think its considered canon as it's only a game.
I've got it for PC, and yea it is a pretty good theory on the origins of the Borg.
On Topic: I don't think they got Insurrection wrong. It was a moral question, and IMO pretty deep. Picard put it rather well when he confronted the Admiral over how many people were being moved.
Admiral: We're only moving 300 people.
Picard: How many people does it take Admiral?
The point was it was a forced relocation, against their will. Picard even stated that history shows that forced relocations lead to destruction of cultures. The Ba'ku chose to live there. What right does anyone have to force them out only for resources or determine their next course of their evolution?
Not only was the Holoship a violation of the Treaty of Algeron, which by all rights Picard is justified in enforcing, the order to allow a forced relocation could be considered an illegal order and therefor Picard is not obligated to follow it.
The Federation has always upheld high morals. What Picard faced in Insurrection was, as he put it, an attack on its very soul. He chose to uphold the ideals of the Federation, even if it meant defying a superior officer to do it.
You left out WHY Picard felt relocating the Ba'ku was wrong. The relocation essentially meant stealing the Ba'ku's planet. Even Dougherty implied that the Federation claim to the planet was invalid. This is due to the Ba'ku's presence on the planet pre-dating the Federation itself.
Picard forgot that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. He also forgot "Journey's End" as well, apparently. Why should 300 Baku enjoy the planet when it could save billions? I'd TRIBBLE over the Baku myself if that was the case.
"The Federation has always upheld high morals."
Yes. And with an impressively high body count at that.
I think there is a big difference between asking your own citizens to relocate and secretly kidnapping an alien species you've never made contact with in their sleep and moving them someplace else without their knowledge. Moving a primitive species, (they weren't actually primitive but they appeared to be), in order to exploit their resources is not a good thing. Remember in "Mirror, Mirror" when Kirk refused to strong arm the Halkans into giving them Dilithium because it wasn't right? This was in direct contrast to the Evil Terran Empire who would kill and take whatever they pleased. The Federation was basically acting like the Terran Empire in Insurrection.
I would also like to make a quick note pointing out that Insurrection took place during the Dominion War, not after. People like to use the line about the Diplomatic Corps being busy with Dominion negotiations as proof that it takes place after or during the signing of the treaty, however the Federation and the Dominion did in fact negociate during the war. See: "Statistical Probabilities"
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I honestly forgot about that detail markhawkman. Insurrection is one of my favorites, and it has been a while since I last saw it. Unlike First Contact, Insurrection isn't so black and white. Also... had some lighthearted moments that were missing from FC.
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Maybe they will, maybe they won't. If you ask me, however, "Insurrection" and it's story is almost as bad as Enterprise and certainly worse than Voyager's best moments.
Each to their own, but I happened to like Insurrection, and to this day, I prefer ST: Enterprise over TOS & VOY.
...the next things you'll ask for are elements from Star Trek The Motion Picture...
We already have them. They are called the Borg.
Also, although you are obviously either a Star Trek hater or completely ignorant this franchise, Star Trek The Motion Picture was the one and only actual Star Trek movie ever made. Any disagreement with that statement is founded entirely on Star Trek hate and ignorance.
What!?
Ok so I had to look up both The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier plots to make sure I'm not going crazy and they both have nothing to do with the Borg what-so-ever.
Secondly I was half joking as others have pointed out, elements from them are already in the game. I used both of those movies because they were both one of the weakest of the bunch in Star Trek films based off of metrics & box office success. Myself I think they are the worst.
Thirdly and I'm just dying to know now...what makes the Motion Picture the "only actual Star Trek Movie ever made"?
You are very, very sadly misinformed. In adjusted dollars, The Motion Picture was the biggest Star Trek movie at the box office until JJ Trek. Unfotunately, it was so expensive to make that Paramount was not pleased with the profit margin.
What makes The Motion Picture the only actual Star Trek movie? Seriously, go watch it. If you do and still don't understand, well, you're simply not a Trekkie.
Extract yourself from that mess that was Picard Trek, and learn something about the history of the franchise, what were the politics involved in getting the different movies and TV series made, and look at what motivated the producers and directors to do the things they did.
Will have to check again myself, but I believe in the XBOX 360' game Star Trek Legacy, there is some mention of this.
Don't think its considered canon as it's only a game.
I've got it for PC, and yea it is a pretty good theory on the origins of the Borg.
On Topic: I don't think they got Insurrection wrong. It was a moral question, and IMO pretty deep. Picard put it rather well when he confronted the Admiral over how many people were being moved.
Admiral: We're only moving 300 people.
Picard: How many people does it take Admiral?
The point was it was a forced relocation, against their will. Picard even stated that history shows that forced relocations lead to destruction of cultures. The Ba'ku chose to live there. What right does anyone have to force them out only for resources or determine their next course of their evolution?
Not only was the Holoship a violation of the Treaty of Algeron, which by all rights Picard is justified in enforcing, the order to allow a forced relocation could be considered an illegal order and therefor Picard is not obligated to follow it.
The Federation has always upheld high morals. What Picard faced in Insurrection was, as he put it, an attack on its very soul. He chose to uphold the ideals of the Federation, even if it meant defying a superior officer to do it.
You left out WHY Picard felt relocating the Ba'ku was wrong. The relocation essentially meant stealing the Ba'ku's planet. Even Dougherty implied that the Federation claim to the planet was invalid. This is due to the Ba'ku's presence on the planet pre-dating the Federation itself.
Two words. Eminent Domain. The Baku were not natives to the planet and they had less than 300 people. prime directive aside the Federation could have annexed the planet outright. But they did not have the time to figure out how the planet worked and the So'na offered them the means.
We aren't talking about gold or dilithium taken for greed. We are talking about a resource that can save countless lives in desperate times that is being hoarded by space Amish squatters.
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Two words. Eminent Domain. The Baku were not natives to the planet and they had less than 300 people. prime directive aside the Federation could have annexed the planet outright. But they did not have the time to figure out how the planet worked and the So'na offered them the means.
We aren't talking about gold or dilithium taken for greed. We are talking about a resource that can save countless lives in desperate times that is being hoarded by space Amish squatters.
The Ba'ku claim goes back before the Federation was established, and the Federation tends to respect other races territorial claims. The minute it was revealed that they are Warp Capable, the Eminent Domain card goes out the window. They are no different from the Federation or its neighbors. The fact they choose to not use their technology doesn't factor into it. The planet belongs to the Ba'ku, even though its within Federation borders.
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Two words. Eminent Domain. The Baku were not natives to the planet and they had less than 300 people. prime directive aside the Federation could have annexed the planet outright. But they did not have the time to figure out how the planet worked and the So'na offered them the means.
We aren't talking about gold or dilithium taken for greed. We are talking about a resource that can save countless lives in desperate times that is being hoarded by space Amish squatters.
The Ba'ku claim goes back before the Federation was established, and the Federation tends to respect other races territorial claims. The minute it was revealed that they are Warp Capable, the Eminent Domain card goes out the window. They are no different from the Federation or its neighbors. The fact they choose to not use their technology doesn't factor into it. The planet belongs to the Ba'ku, even though its within Federation borders.
Actually, due to the way the Federation usually handles such things, I would guess that the map was redrawn after Insurrection to show the entire Briar Patch as Ba'ku territory.
Also, the Ba'ku were willing to let other people come to the planet and benefit from the radiation. It's not like they told the Feds they couldn't have it. It's just that the only known method of collecting the energy was highly destructive and might have destroyed the source of the radiation. Actually.... the Federation never properly studied it, so we don't know what might have happened if they had. in the long run the best way to understand a phenomenon like this is to watch how it forms in nature. Hauling it off to a laboratory taints any results you might get.
At the time, the Federation was led to believe that harvesting was the only way. I'm playing Devils advocate here. But personally I wouldnt have lost any sleep over this and am curious how well Picard slept knowing he took a moral high road paved with ashes.
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Actually, due to the way the Federation usually handles such things, I would guess that the map was redrawn after Insurrection to show the entire Briar Patch as Ba'ku territory.
Also, the Ba'ku were willing to let other people come to the planet and benefit from the radiation. It's not like they told the Feds they couldn't have it. It's just that the only known method of collecting the energy was highly destructive and might have destroyed the source of the radiation. Actually.... the Federation never properly studied it, so we don't know what might have happened if they had. in the long run the best way to understand a phenomenon like this is to watch how it forms in nature. Hauling it off to a laboratory taints any results you might get.
I'd say the Ba'ku are probably being protected by the Federation now rather than redraw borders.
And you're right. The Federation never actually studied the Son'a tech. It was just a means to an end... makes me wonder if Section 31 had a hand in it.
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Actually, due to the way the Federation usually handles such things, I would guess that the map was redrawn after Insurrection to show the entire Briar Patch as Ba'ku territory.
Also, the Ba'ku were willing to let other people come to the planet and benefit from the radiation. It's not like they told the Feds they couldn't have it. It's just that the only known method of collecting the energy was highly destructive and might have destroyed the source of the radiation. Actually.... the Federation never properly studied it, so we don't know what might have happened if they had. in the long run the best way to understand a phenomenon like this is to watch how it forms in nature. Hauling it off to a laboratory taints any results you might get.
I'd say the Ba'ku are probably being protected by the Federation now rather than redraw borders.
And you're right. The Federation never actually studied the Son'a tech. It was just a means to an end... makes me wonder if Section 31 had a hand in it.
Yeesh, hard to say, Section 31 would be willing to work with the Son'a but I doubt even they would have allowed Ru'afo to carry out his plan.
Anyways, my comment about borders was for the immediate future(2375-2376). According to the Star Charts book the Ba'ku joined the Federation in 2378.
Actually, due to the way the Federation usually handles such things, I would guess that the map was redrawn after Insurrection to show the entire Briar Patch as Ba'ku territory.
Also, the Ba'ku were willing to let other people come to the planet and benefit from the radiation. It's not like they told the Feds they couldn't have it. It's just that the only known method of collecting the energy was highly destructive and might have destroyed the source of the radiation. Actually.... the Federation never properly studied it, so we don't know what might have happened if they had. in the long run the best way to understand a phenomenon like this is to watch how it forms in nature. Hauling it off to a laboratory taints any results you might get.
I'd say the Ba'ku are probably being protected by the Federation now rather than redraw borders.
And you're right. The Federation never actually studied the Son'a tech. It was just a means to an end... makes me wonder if Section 31 had a hand in it.
Yeesh, hard to say, Section 31 would be willing to work with the Son'a but I doubt even they would have allowed Ru'afo to carry out his plan.
Anyways, my comment about borders was for the immediate future(2375-2376). According to the Star Charts book the Ba'ku joined the Federation in 2378.
I want to say in one of the books it was established Admiral Doughtery was part of the Section 31 Old Boys' Club, along with that Admiral who was responsible for the Pegasus, and Admiral Cartwright from Star Trek VI.
Which, of course, is not necessarily canon for STO. But I do believe an author somewhere decided to 'make it so'.
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Yea... I kinda felt that the whole thing in ST6 might have been behind the scenes S31, and the Pegasus incident does kinda scream S31, especially that whole shpiel about how the Federation is gimping itself by NOT developing Cloak tech thanks to the Treaty with a hostile power.
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Books are not canon. Some random author decided to justify Federation policies that conflicted with the author's sense of what Trek was supposed to be so he lumped them in with the bad guys.
Dougherty straight up said that the Federation Council approved the plan. They were desperate.
Books are not canon. Some random author decided to justify Federation policies that conflicted with the author's sense of what Trek was supposed to be so he lumped them in with the bad guys.
Dougherty straight up said that the Federation Council approved the plan. They were desperate.
Books are not canon. Some random author decided to justify Federation policies that conflicted with the author's sense of what Trek was supposed to be so he lumped them in with the bad guys.
Dougherty straight up said that the Federation Council approved the plan. They were desperate.
Actually... given that that was based on a pack of lies fed to them by Ru'afo.... It's probable that the council approved something far less heinous.
Yeah. Unlike in STO or DS9, Doughtery doesn't openly admit anything involving Section 31. Why would he? If he says the Federation Council approved the plans, it's highly doubtful he was being truthful about that. He already has skin in the game, and is willing to lie about all this other things... why would he suddenly start telling the truth about who authorized what?
Books are not canon. Some random author decided to justify Federation policies that conflicted with the author's sense of what Trek was supposed to be so he lumped them in with the bad guys.
Dougherty straight up said that the Federation Council approved the plan. They were desperate.
That doesn't mean that Dougherty wasn't somehow connected with Section 31. We learned in "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" that Admirals like William Ross would look the other way while Section 31 conducted its business. If they were desperate enough the Federation council could look away too.
That fan belief is based on the game Star Trek : Legacy, and its one of the least obnoxious of the conflicting Borg Origin theories/stories that have been thrown out over the years. Here right from Memory Beta:
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Trying to include every possible thing that ever occured in canon would probably be a bit of a stretch. But I do like how STO has been able to take so many disparate elements of Star Trek and creatively make connections between them.
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I don't want the entirety of Insurrection brought to STO, but the dev team cherry picks which parts of Star Trek to include (which I think is the best strategy). I think it would be cool for Cryptic to bring the Son'a into the game as an NPC faction and to add in a Son'a lockbox since the ships are pretty cool.
Tacofangs might barf at the idea, but at least we aren't asking for the Monean "World Ocean" from the Voyager episode "Thirty Days". I'm sure he'd love the idea of creating Lemuria 2.0.
I've got it for PC, and yea it is a pretty good theory on the origins of the Borg.
On Topic: I don't think they got Insurrection wrong. It was a moral question, and IMO pretty deep. Picard put it rather well when he confronted the Admiral over how many people were being moved.
Admiral: We're only moving 300 people.
Picard: How many people does it take Admiral?
The point was it was a forced relocation, against their will. Picard even stated that history shows that forced relocations lead to destruction of cultures. The Ba'ku chose to live there. What right does anyone have to force them out only for resources or determine their next course of their evolution?
Not only was the Holoship a violation of the Treaty of Algeron, which by all rights Picard is justified in enforcing, the order to allow a forced relocation could be considered an illegal order and therefor Picard is not obligated to follow it.
The Federation has always upheld high morals. What Picard faced in Insurrection was, as he put it, an attack on its very soul. He chose to uphold the ideals of the Federation, even if it meant defying a superior officer to do it.
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"The Federation has always upheld high morals."
Yes. And with an impressively high body count at that.
Starfleet wants to study the concentration of Metaphasic particles in the rings? Fine! Set up a science facility now that we know the Ba'ku are actually a Warp Capable species. Don't drag them off a world they chose to live on and pretty much nuke the planet for a finite supply of particles.
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Pretty much this. Wesley Crusher was in Picard's same exact shoes in "Journey's End". Insurrection, honestly, was just a remake of "Journey's End" from a story perspective and another reason why Star Trek was suffering from franchise fatigue.
Picard treated Wesley the same way Doughtery treated Picard. Same moral equivelants, but only now Picard has completely reversed his position of "not caring" about Wesley's emotional feelings on the 'native americans' that were to be relocated from a Cardassian territory, to caring about the Ba'ku being forcibly relocated.
Picard reached peak hypocrisy in Insurrection.
Wouldn't be the first time a movie ignored something from the series. Same movie, Dianna said she never kissed Riker with a beard before. Yet in the series she actually did kiss Beard Riker.
I would rationalize Picard changing his stance to the fact that by the time of Insurrection, Picard is a bit older and more exprienced than he was in Journey's End. A lot has happened between them.
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I think there is a big difference between asking your own citizens to relocate and secretly kidnapping an alien species you've never made contact with in their sleep and moving them someplace else without their knowledge. Moving a primitive species, (they weren't actually primitive but they appeared to be), in order to exploit their resources is not a good thing. Remember in "Mirror, Mirror" when Kirk refused to strong arm the Halkans into giving them Dilithium because it wasn't right? This was in direct contrast to the Evil Terran Empire who would kill and take whatever they pleased. The Federation was basically acting like the Terran Empire in Insurrection.
I would also like to make a quick note pointing out that Insurrection took place during the Dominion War, not after. People like to use the line about the Diplomatic Corps being busy with Dominion negotiations as proof that it takes place after or during the signing of the treaty, however the Federation and the Dominion did in fact negociate during the war. See: "Statistical Probabilities"
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Because omnipotent beings (Q), time travel, and mirror universes do make complete sense.....
Needless to say, a Son'a Lock Box is well overdue.
You are very, very sadly misinformed. In adjusted dollars, The Motion Picture was the biggest Star Trek movie at the box office until JJ Trek. Unfotunately, it was so expensive to make that Paramount was not pleased with the profit margin.
What makes The Motion Picture the only actual Star Trek movie? Seriously, go watch it. If you do and still don't understand, well, you're simply not a Trekkie.
Extract yourself from that mess that was Picard Trek, and learn something about the history of the franchise, what were the politics involved in getting the different movies and TV series made, and look at what motivated the producers and directors to do the things they did.
Two words. Eminent Domain. The Baku were not natives to the planet and they had less than 300 people. prime directive aside the Federation could have annexed the planet outright. But they did not have the time to figure out how the planet worked and the So'na offered them the means.
We aren't talking about gold or dilithium taken for greed. We are talking about a resource that can save countless lives in desperate times that is being hoarded by space Amish squatters.
The Ba'ku claim goes back before the Federation was established, and the Federation tends to respect other races territorial claims. The minute it was revealed that they are Warp Capable, the Eminent Domain card goes out the window. They are no different from the Federation or its neighbors. The fact they choose to not use their technology doesn't factor into it. The planet belongs to the Ba'ku, even though its within Federation borders.
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Also, the Ba'ku were willing to let other people come to the planet and benefit from the radiation. It's not like they told the Feds they couldn't have it. It's just that the only known method of collecting the energy was highly destructive and might have destroyed the source of the radiation. Actually.... the Federation never properly studied it, so we don't know what might have happened if they had. in the long run the best way to understand a phenomenon like this is to watch how it forms in nature. Hauling it off to a laboratory taints any results you might get.
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I'd say the Ba'ku are probably being protected by the Federation now rather than redraw borders.
And you're right. The Federation never actually studied the Son'a tech. It was just a means to an end... makes me wonder if Section 31 had a hand in it.
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Anyways, my comment about borders was for the immediate future(2375-2376). According to the Star Charts book the Ba'ku joined the Federation in 2378.
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I want to say in one of the books it was established Admiral Doughtery was part of the Section 31 Old Boys' Club, along with that Admiral who was responsible for the Pegasus, and Admiral Cartwright from Star Trek VI.
Which, of course, is not necessarily canon for STO. But I do believe an author somewhere decided to 'make it so'.
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Dougherty straight up said that the Federation Council approved the plan. They were desperate.
As for Insurrection, this is worth a good watch.
http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/film9.php
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Yeah. Unlike in STO or DS9, Doughtery doesn't openly admit anything involving Section 31. Why would he? If he says the Federation Council approved the plans, it's highly doubtful he was being truthful about that. He already has skin in the game, and is willing to lie about all this other things... why would he suddenly start telling the truth about who authorized what?
That doesn't mean that Dougherty wasn't somehow connected with Section 31. We learned in "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" that Admirals like William Ross would look the other way while Section 31 conducted its business. If they were desperate enough the Federation council could look away too.