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Guys should add Ba'ku planet, village, and the So'na into the game. Or at least the foundry. I can come up with several stories you can add to the Iconian storyline. Like the Iconians can't jump into the Brier Patch do to the radiation. A story idea is that the player ships gets badly damaged and flee into the Brier Patch to hide. Just an idea.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    Maybe they will, maybe they won't. If you ask me, however, "Insurrection" and it's story is almost as bad as Enterprise and certainly worse than Voyager's best moments. The Ba'ku and So'na don't make any sense and the magical planet of eternal life doesn't as well. It's one of those things in Star Trek better stay forgotten and unmentioned, like that one planet with the water that will shift you into another time dimension (TOS) and make you de facto invincible. With that, the war had been won already.​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • hunteralpha84hunteralpha84 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    What was wrong with enterprise? The last couple seasons were top notch!

    Insurrection was not great however. But maybe a so'na lock box? Their ships were interesting at least.
  • kavasekavase Member Posts: 771 Arc User
    Insurrection? Really? Are the next things you'll ask for are elements from Star Trek The Motion Picture or Star Trek 5?

    I agree with Angrytarg, best forgotten and unmentioned. :)

    Retired. I'm now in search for that perfect space anomaly.
  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    What was wrong with enterprise? The last couple seasons were top notch!

    Insurrection was not great however. But maybe a so'na lock box? Their ships were interesting at least.

    Agreed the Xindi-arc was brilliant and Voyager had the most interesting characters and stories in the entire franchise! At least it didn't have that idiot man-TRIBBLE Riker and irritating Jar Jar Binks prototype Wesley Crusher.
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  • tinkerstormtinkerstorm Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    kavase wrote: »
    ...the next things you'll ask for are elements from Star Trek The Motion Picture...
    We already have them. They are called the Borg.

    Also, although you are obviously either a Star Trek hater or completely ignorant this franchise, Star Trek The Motion Picture was the one and only actual Star Trek movie ever made. Any disagreement with that statement is founded entirely on Star Trek hate and ignorance.
  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    :::barf:::
    Only YOU can prevent forum fires!
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  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    tacofangs wrote: »
    :::barf:::

    Point made let's move on people. LOL
  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    kavase wrote: »
    ...the next things you'll ask for are elements from Star Trek The Motion Picture...
    We already have them. They are called the Borg.

    Also, although you are obviously either a Star Trek hater or completely ignorant this franchise, Star Trek The Motion Picture was the one and only actual Star Trek movie ever made. Any disagreement with that statement is founded entirely on Star Trek hate and ignorance.

    Either your making a joke or your extremely self absorbed in your own opinions, neither of which I'm going to answer.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,019 Community Moderator
    edited July 2015
    kavase wrote: »
    Insurrection? Really? Are the next things you'll ask for are elements from Star Trek The Motion Picture or Star Trek 5?

    Well, we do have the Briar Patch in Sector Space, along with a FED mission there already. So, technically, "Insurrection" gets a nod there. Star Trek: The Motion Picture gets a nod in the Borg Red Alerts with the Borg boss ships that resemble the V'Ger ship. I wouldn't mind a nod to Star Trek 5. In fact, I think it would be cool to find out that "The Other" is the Sha-ka-ree entity at the center of the Galaxy. Perhaps he was imprisoned there after helping the Iconians.
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    I dunno the whole idea of using the ridiculous dangerous krenim weapon is coming dangerously close to causing some captains to have an "insurrection" pip ripping moment.

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    (...)I wouldn't mind a nod to Star Trek 5. (...)

    We have an entire adventure zone nodding at ST V pig-3.gif​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,019 Community Moderator
    angrytarg wrote: »
    (...)I wouldn't mind a nod to Star Trek 5. (...)

    We have an entire adventure zone nodding at ST V pig-3.gif​​

    You're right! I completely blanked on Nimbus. LOL
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    (...)I wouldn't mind a nod to Star Trek 5. (...)

    We have an entire adventure zone nodding at ST V pig-3.gif​​

    You're right! I completely blanked on Nimbus. LOL

    Wish they'd add a bit more high level content to nimbus, maybe some extra missions where you return there for some reason.

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    You're right! I completely blanked on Nimbus. LOL

    Don't worry, I know the feeling pig-2.gif
    gradii wrote: »
    Wish they'd add a bit more high level content to nimbus, maybe some extra missions where you return there for some reason.

    It would already help if there wouldn't be mk VI drops for your lvl 60 chars pig-17.gif (at least I think those drop, I haven't been there in a long time. But it's like joining those deep space encounters in high levels, you always get the mark drops of the "level region" you are in)
    ​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    tacofangs wrote: »
    :::barf:::

    Here you go bro; *Hands Taco a Perrier, and a couple pepto tablets*




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  • vladdievladdie Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    Oh god, don't get me started. Just after the Dominion War the Federation is in crisis. Millions without access to medical care due to massive infrastructure damage. So Starfleet gets wind of a planet with a resource that can be harvested to aid in healing. The only problem? A group of 300 non native squatters who would rather enjoy eternal life than help billions. And Starfleet and the So'na a e the bad guys because they want to remove the squatters for a few days to mine the planet rings. Buy God help us because Pickard would rather sleep a little more soundly at night that his one night stand space elf girlfriend isn't I convenience.


    And that's what effing Paramount said about the movie...
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    vladdie wrote: »
    Oh god, don't get me started. Just after the Dominion War the Federation is in crisis. Millions without access to medical care due to massive infrastructure damage. So Starfleet gets wind of a planet with a resource that can be harvested to aid in healing. The only problem? A group of 300 non native squatters who would rather enjoy eternal life than help billions. And Starfleet and the So'na a e the bad guys because they want to remove the squatters for a few days to mine the planet rings. Buy God help us because Pickard would rather sleep a little more soundly at night that his one night stand space elf girlfriend isn't I convenience.


    And that's what effing Paramount said about the movie...

    That movie got everything wrong. Picard's action are supposed to be the heroic part but they got it all backwards. When in TNG: "Journey's End" Picard spouts the line "But I will tell you this: while you wear that uniform, you will obey every order you are given, and you will conform to Starfleet regulations and rules of conduct. Is that clear?!" like a carricature of a drill sergeant when Wesley openly disregards orders he considers wrong go directly against the ideals of self-determination he usually supports. Now, in Insurrection, Picard should be the one doing the "right thing" but the plot is set up in such a onsensical way that he makes it even worse. The whole piece just hurts... I think they try to save it by making the So'na cartoonishly evil and let them pull the "kill them all" card from some deep back pocket but as I said, every plot development makes it only worse.

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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • kavasekavase Member Posts: 771 Arc User
    kavase wrote: »
    ...the next things you'll ask for are elements from Star Trek The Motion Picture...
    We already have them. They are called the Borg.

    Also, although you are obviously either a Star Trek hater or completely ignorant this franchise, Star Trek The Motion Picture was the one and only actual Star Trek movie ever made. Any disagreement with that statement is founded entirely on Star Trek hate and ignorance.

    What!?

    Ok so I had to look up both The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier plots to make sure I'm not going crazy and they both have nothing to do with the Borg what-so-ever.

    Secondly I was half joking as others have pointed out, elements from them are already in the game. I used both of those movies because they were both one of the weakest of the bunch in Star Trek films based off of metrics & box office success. Myself I think they are the worst.

    Thirdly and I'm just dying to know now...what makes the Motion Picture the "only actual Star Trek Movie ever made"?
    Retired. I'm now in search for that perfect space anomaly.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    kavase wrote: »
    (...)

    Ok so I had to look up both The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier plots to make sure I'm not going crazy and they both have nothing to do with the Borg what-so-ever.
    (...)

    There is a "fan believe" that resides within the "trekdom" that the probe from TMP is somehow supposed to be Borg or send by the Borg or be the founder of the Borg. Of course it isn't and people who still cling to this theory obviously didn't understand the basic in-lore concept of either of those beings AND disregard the out-of-universe reasons the two cannot be related. Cryptic however paid tribute to the matter by modelling their "Borg command ships" after the machine being V'Ger in TMP.

    ​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • kavasekavase Member Posts: 771 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    kavase wrote: »
    (...)

    Ok so I had to look up both The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier plots to make sure I'm not going crazy and they both have nothing to do with the Borg what-so-ever.
    (...)

    There is a "fan believe" that resides within the "trekdom" that the probe from TMP is somehow supposed to be Borg or send by the Borg or be the founder of the Borg. Of course it isn't and people who still cling to this theory obviously didn't understand the basic in-lore concept of either of those beings AND disregard the out-of-universe reasons the two cannot be related. Cryptic however paid tribute to the matter by modelling their "Borg command ships" after the machine being V'Ger in TMP.

    ​​

    I had no idea about that, thanks for explaining that.

    There is no way it makes any sense, but still interesting.
    Retired. I'm now in search for that perfect space anomaly.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,019 Community Moderator
    angrytarg wrote: »
    kavase wrote: »
    (...)

    Ok so I had to look up both The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier plots to make sure I'm not going crazy and they both have nothing to do with the Borg what-so-ever.
    (...)

    There is a "fan believe" that resides within the "trekdom" that the probe from TMP is somehow supposed to be Borg or send by the Borg or be the founder of the Borg. Of course it isn't and people who still cling to this theory obviously didn't understand the basic in-lore concept of either of those beings AND disregard the out-of-universe reasons the two cannot be related. Cryptic however paid tribute to the matter by modelling their "Borg command ships" after the machine being V'Ger in TMP.

    ​​

    Roddenberry himself speculated that the Machine Planet that V'Ger (Voyager probe) encountered and that repaired it, might've been the Borg or in some way connected to them. This is neither confirmed, denied, nor canonized officially anywhere, though.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Roddenberry himself speculated that the Machine Planet that V'Ger (Voyager probe) encountered and that repaired it, might've been the Borg or in some way connected to them. This is neither confirmed, denied, nor canonized officially anywhere, though.

    Rodenberry had nothing to do with the creation of the Borg though. So it is likely that he himself did not grasp the concept of the Borg we saw in TNG (originally they were even meant to be insectoids which is closer to the nu-borg we got with FC and VOY). While V'Ger was a machine and he visited a machine planet, the Borg is the ultimate user as introduced by Q. Borg isn't/aren't machine/s, it/they is/are humanoid being/s that grew dependant on cybernetics in a strife for perfection. The two things are not compatible as long as you don't go out of your way to wildly speculate and as you said yourself, non of that is canon. It would just be a huge leap to connect the two in any way.

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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    I enjoyed Picard's romance in the movie. I always thought the villains should have been the Vidiians.

    I also enjoyed every season of Enterprise. Much better than Voyager and Original Series.
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    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,019 Community Moderator
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Roddenberry himself speculated that the Machine Planet that V'Ger (Voyager probe) encountered and that repaired it, might've been the Borg or in some way connected to them. This is neither confirmed, denied, nor canonized officially anywhere, though.

    Rodenberry had nothing to do with the creation of the Borg though. So it is likely that he himself did not grasp the concept of the Borg we saw in TNG (originally they were even meant to be insectoids which is closer to the nu-borg we got with FC and VOY). While V'Ger was a machine and he visited a machine planet, the Borg is the ultimate user as introduced by Q. Borg isn't/aren't machine/s, it/they is/are humanoid being/s that grew dependant on cybernetics in a strife for perfection. The two things are not compatible as long as you don't go out of your way to wildly speculate and as you said yourself, non of that is canon. It would just be a huge leap to connect the two in any way.

    ​​

    True, Roddenberry didn't create the Borg, and yes, as originally conceived they were to be an insectoid race as opposed to the cyborgs we eventually got. But I disagree with your assertion that they are incompatible. Nor do I believe that one need to wildly speculate or make huge leaps to connect the two. But as a connection is not canon, I will agree to disagree on those points, and offer that such musings should be considered purely theoretical anyway.
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    I said elsewhere that if we're gonna break treaties and directives we might as well go for it. Bring on the Son'a and their subspace weaponry says I.

    Don't care what you people think. Son'a ships are purdy. And yes, I enjoy all the movies too!​​
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    True, Roddenberry didn't create the Borg, and yes, as originally conceived they were to be an insectoid race as opposed to the cyborgs we eventually got. But I disagree with your assertion that they are incompatible. Nor do I believe that one need to wildly speculate or make huge leaps to connect the two. But as a connection is not canon, I will agree to disagree on those points, and offer that such musings should be considered purely theoretical anyway.

    Well, I have dwelved deeply into the matter at hand because I never forgave the change the Borg got during Star Trek. It's of course a purely theoretical discussion but an interesting one never the less. But that is not the thread's topic anyway so maybe this should take place elsewhere pig-2.gif​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,019 Community Moderator
    angrytarg wrote: »
    True, Roddenberry didn't create the Borg, and yes, as originally conceived they were to be an insectoid race as opposed to the cyborgs we eventually got. But I disagree with your assertion that they are incompatible. Nor do I believe that one need to wildly speculate or make huge leaps to connect the two. But as a connection is not canon, I will agree to disagree on those points, and offer that such musings should be considered purely theoretical anyway.

    Well, I have dwelved deeply into the matter at hand because I never forgave the change the Borg got during Star Trek. It's of course a purely theoretical discussion but an interesting one never the less. But that is not the thread's topic anyway so maybe this should take place elsewhere pig-2.gif​​

    Agreed.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Like it or not, all those parts of Trek that some folks "hate" are still part of the canon/lore.
    Ignoring them isn't going to make them go away.
    Might just as well incorporate them some how into your own head-canon, cause it's more than likely if STO lasts long enough they will appear in the game.
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  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    kavase wrote: »
    (...)

    Ok so I had to look up both The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier plots to make sure I'm not going crazy and they both have nothing to do with the Borg what-so-ever.
    (...)

    There is a "fan believe" that resides within the "trekdom" that the probe from TMP is somehow supposed to be Borg or send by the Borg or be the founder of the Borg. Of course it isn't and people who still cling to this theory obviously didn't understand the basic in-lore concept of either of those beings AND disregard the out-of-universe reasons the two cannot be related. Cryptic however paid tribute to the matter by modelling their "Borg command ships" after the machine being V'Ger in TMP.

    ​​

    Roddenberry himself speculated that the Machine Planet that V'Ger (Voyager probe) encountered and that repaired it, might've been the Borg or in some way connected to them. This is neither confirmed, denied, nor canonized officially anywhere, though.

    Will have to check again myself, but I believe in the XBOX 360' game Star Trek Legacy, there is some mention of this.
    Don't think its considered canon as it's only a game.
    But the cut scenes are pretty well done with good VO work, if you can find them on youtube, they're worth a watch.
    I may actually load up the game tonight an re-watch them, as my memory is not what it used to be.


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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    Might just as well incorporate them some how into your own head-canon, cause it's more than likely if STO lasts long enough they will appear in the game.
    B)

    This is actually a interesting point. I actually don'T feel the inclusion of every possible thing ever mentioned in canon is a good thing for STO. Because most of the time the obvious name-dropping for recognition doesn't feel as if it would add something. I'd rather see truly original Cryptic creations, like Defera, make it into the game and integrate themselves into the known lore instead of forcefully throwing canon occurences together which didn't even have a connection in the first place.
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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