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A T6 Sovereign Request
warmaker001b
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So. Canon ship-wise, the Galaxy, Intrepid, now Excelsior has made it to T6. It's been months since I put a ship request thread up, even for the KDF. Well, okay, that's probably a lie (BOPs, anyone?).
It's high time however to put up a request for a T6 Sovereign with a few extras.
- Increase Lt ENG to LtCdr ENG with a Hybrid Station update. It would be nice if you made the Lt Universal a LtCdr Universal/Hybrid but I think I'm reaching a bit far in the bag for that.
- New Console to go with the old T5 Regent stuff: The Metreon Gas Canister Console and Wide Angle Quantum Torp Launcher, making a new 3 piece set with 2 and 3 piece bonuses.
I also ask this:
Redo the standard Sovereign-class skin. It's one of the original STO models and I'll be honest. It looks heinous now. It just doesn't stack up anymore, like a lot of the original STO ship models (Link).
Give it "The Galaxy-class Treatment" that was so well done with the T6 version of that ship. Also enable fans of the Sovereign to replicate the 2 general movie appearance types of the Enterprise-E. Generally shown as is in "First Contact" as well as "Nemesis."
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/File:ENT-E_ILM1.jpg
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/sovereign1.htm
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/sovereign.htm
The game can somewhat replicate the general white & black pattern from First Contact with the Type 6. It can use some tweaking in that pattern still. Also, it would be nice if the Escape Pods are replicated. It would also be nice if the decals on the fuselage sides and nacelles were in also. The STO Sovereign model lacks these.
A Sovereign model with the Nemesis look would be very nice also. As a person that's built plastic models, that pattern looks like hell to replicate. But it's a striking contrast to the clean-looking white & black of the First Contact ENT-E. Clean, large screenshots of the ENT-E in Nemesis is kind of hard to come by but here's an example someone made of a 1:650 scale model of that version.
http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=8920
Some Nemesis pics are also with the previous links.
It's by far the most complicated looking pattern on any Starfleet vessel shown in any TV show, movie of the franchise. Not even the Constitution-class Refit with its fancy Aztec pattern looks as sophisticated to make (at least physically). This version is just not anywhere possible with the current model and textures that are in STO.
Last thing is one of the original issues of STO's Sovereign model. Registry numbering and name is wrong compared to the canon sources. It's lined up differently and on a much smaller scale on the canon Enterprise-E. Here's John Eaves' drawing on the Enterprise-E, the guy who designed the ship for the franchise.
https://johneaves.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/the-enterprise-e-and-the-aztec-paint-job/
In contrast is the default Sovereign version (Link again).
It's high time however to put up a request for a T6 Sovereign with a few extras.
- Increase Lt ENG to LtCdr ENG with a Hybrid Station update. It would be nice if you made the Lt Universal a LtCdr Universal/Hybrid but I think I'm reaching a bit far in the bag for that.
- New Console to go with the old T5 Regent stuff: The Metreon Gas Canister Console and Wide Angle Quantum Torp Launcher, making a new 3 piece set with 2 and 3 piece bonuses.
I also ask this:
Redo the standard Sovereign-class skin. It's one of the original STO models and I'll be honest. It looks heinous now. It just doesn't stack up anymore, like a lot of the original STO ship models (Link).
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Give it "The Galaxy-class Treatment" that was so well done with the T6 version of that ship. Also enable fans of the Sovereign to replicate the 2 general movie appearance types of the Enterprise-E. Generally shown as is in "First Contact" as well as "Nemesis."
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/File:ENT-E_ILM1.jpg
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/sovereign1.htm
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/sovereign.htm
The game can somewhat replicate the general white & black pattern from First Contact with the Type 6. It can use some tweaking in that pattern still. Also, it would be nice if the Escape Pods are replicated. It would also be nice if the decals on the fuselage sides and nacelles were in also. The STO Sovereign model lacks these.
A Sovereign model with the Nemesis look would be very nice also. As a person that's built plastic models, that pattern looks like hell to replicate. But it's a striking contrast to the clean-looking white & black of the First Contact ENT-E. Clean, large screenshots of the ENT-E in Nemesis is kind of hard to come by but here's an example someone made of a 1:650 scale model of that version.
http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=8920
Some Nemesis pics are also with the previous links.
It's by far the most complicated looking pattern on any Starfleet vessel shown in any TV show, movie of the franchise. Not even the Constitution-class Refit with its fancy Aztec pattern looks as sophisticated to make (at least physically). This version is just not anywhere possible with the current model and textures that are in STO.
Last thing is one of the original issues of STO's Sovereign model. Registry numbering and name is wrong compared to the canon sources. It's lined up differently and on a much smaller scale on the canon Enterprise-E. Here's John Eaves' drawing on the Enterprise-E, the guy who designed the ship for the franchise.
https://johneaves.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/the-enterprise-e-and-the-aztec-paint-job/
In contrast is the default Sovereign version (Link again).
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There is no Fed ship in this game that needs an update more then the Sovereign. Not to mention, it would probably sell pretty well.. I know I would have to give it some serious consideration.
The Connie-Refit is my all time favorite Star Trek ship. But the Sovereign-class is a very close second by a few hairs.
People have pretty much settled into their T6 ships at this point, and the game doesn't seem to be a magnet to new players right now. The big challenge in making a T6 Sovereign will be making it worth while for people to buy it and change over from their current ship.
Ultimately, I believe that will be the problem with the 'Resolute' (T6 Excelsior.) The trait is terrible, and there isn't much there to convince people flying a T5U Excelsior or another T6 ship to jump into this new ship. The T6 Sovereign will have the same problem if they don't come up with a useful ship trait.
My suggestion would be a trait that adds a small buff on activation of attack patterns. Maybe something that reduces weapon power drain and gives a small chance for a subsystem power boost. Something like that would appeal to the DPS crowds and help push sales. I just hope they don't repeat the mistakes made on the Resolute.
Not too sure on what special console or trait it'll have though. The Ent-E shooting 360° to find cloaked ships was nice but it's too similar to FAW.
I don't know but a T6 Sovereign or at the very least a Sovereign visual update would definitely be nice.
It already is a shuttle, its either lifetime perk or one of the veteran milestones, I don't recall which. But is been in the game since the first shuttles were released.
Correct, the Captain's Yacht is already in the game as a LTS perk.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Captain's_Yacht
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Cousteau_(yacht)
Here are my thoughts on her T6 version(s):
Sovereign class T6 command assault cruiser:
- type: cruiser (tier 6)
- hull: 46547 at lvl 50, 56000 at lvl 60
- shield modifier: 1.12 at lvl 50 and 1.13 at lvl 60
- turn rate: 8
- crew: 800
- 4 fore weapons slots and 4 aft weapon slots
- 4 eng, 4 tac and 3 sci consoles
- saucer separation ability
- captain's yacht
- hangar bay - argo or type 11 shuttles (argo shuttles would fit better for this variant)
- a special slot for point-defense phaser turret
- universal console: metreon gas canisters
Boff slots: commander eng/command, lieutenant commander tac, lieutenant sci/command, lieutenant eng and ensign universal
Sovereign class T6 intelligence assault cruiser:
- type: cruiser (tier 6)
- hull: 46547 at lvl 50, 56000 at lvl 60
- shield modifier: 1.12 at lvl 50 and 1.13 at lvl 60
- turn rate: 8
- crew: 800
- 4 fore weapons slots and 4 aft weapon slots
- 3 eng, 4 tac and 4 sci consoles
- saucer separation ability
- captain's yacht
- hangar bay - argo or type 11 shuttles (type 11 shuttles would be better suited for this variant)
- a special slot for secondary deflector dish
- universal console: cloaking device
Boff slots: commander eng/intel, lieutenant command tac, lieutenant sci/intel, lieutenant eng and ensign universal
Sovereign class T6 pilot assault cruiser:
- type: cruiser (tier 6)
- hull: 46547 at lvl 50, 56000 at lvl 60
- shield modifier: 1.12 at lvl 50 and 1.13 at lvl 60
- turn rate: 8
- crew: 800
- 4 fore weapons slots and 4 aft weapon slots
- 5 eng, 3 tac and 3 sci consoles
- saucer separation ability
- captain's yacht
- hangar bay - Federation mission scoutships (Venture class scoutship)
- universal console: I don't know, maybe something that would improve maneuverability and impulse engines even more
Boff slots: commander eng/pilot, lieutenant command tac, lieutenant sci/pilot, lieutenant eng and ensign universal
As for fleet version it should have an additional console slot (additional eng console for command variant, additional sci console for intelligence variant or additional tac console for pilot variant), increased max. hull points, shield modifier and shield for 10 percent, and ensign universal boff slot replaced with lieutenant universal boff slot.
SUPPORTING PLAYABLE CARDASSIAN AND DOMINION FACTIONS!
This is seriously the only other ship I would consider buying at this point, and I'm sure it'll happen someday. However, we'll likely have to wade through about a year of other ships, maybe longer, before we see it. Which is a real drag..
That's what was said about the Excelsior. Dreams can come true faster than you think.
Also, I'm sure the sales for this ship (even the Regent) is strong enough to tell them the Sovy has got to get some T6 love pronto.
Hmmm...I do hope you are right Scarlet.
I'm going to try my hand at a deduction here in the meantime. Let's look at the release pattern so far:
Intel Ships (Cryptic original)
T6 Intrepid
Command Ships (Cryptic original)
T6 Galaxy
Pilot Ships (Cryptic original)
T6 Veteran (Cryptic original)
T6 Avenger (Cryptic original)
T6 Excelsior (canon, but not featured)
Don't think I forgot anything there. What this seems to indicate is that Cryptic is trying to space out "canon & featured" cash cow ships with their own original designs...and that big ship releases coincide with specializations. So we'll probably see another new set of Cryptic specialization ships before the T6 Sov. Which also means a new specialization, which likely means season 11. We're also probably due to see a T6 Defiant before the T6 Sov, though I don't think the Defiant will pull in as much as the Sov (FYI, DS9's my favorite Trek...just don't see it being as in demand.) So here's my best guess...
T6 Defiant (August)
T6 canon but not featured ship(s) (Best guess...2 of these, one for September and one for October)
Season 11& new specialization ships (November)
T6 Sovereign (December)
The T6 Sov will possibly release about Christmas at the earliest then. Maybe November if it shares a specialization with the Season 11 ships, but I'm not going to hold my breath there...Sov screams Pilot or Command.
On the bright side, I usually can justify a ship purchase for myself that time of year, so maybe the wait won't be so bad.
Of course, if a Dev would come to this thread and contradict me, I totally wouldn't mind.
If Cryptic puts the Defiant out first, then they are appealing to a reasonably small player-base. Then again, they did it for the Galaxy-lovers (but that had a very actively vocal minority to help).
There's also the matter that in my experience the Defiant community are absolute perfectionists and will complain if even one thing is slightly out of place. Then again, they gave us a T6 Excel so...
I may be over/under-stating things but that's been my perception.
SO - it would seem to me that the Sovereign deserves attention commiserate to the player-base that not only vocally appreciates the ship, but also proves it with their wallets.
Well, Cryptic DID convert the Negh'Var, D'Deridex, Mogai for the KDF & Roms, and from "the source" the T'Varo and B'Rel will get the treatment also, and the KDF & Roms are decidedly small in comparison to the Feds, even if we're talking specific ships. I think it's just Cryptic knowing they can make some easy money with canon ships being put out for T6.
That's the thing about a T6 Defiant, isn't it? Even sticking to Fed Escorts alone, there are fabulous options. The Pilot Ships are very hard to top and make survival in an Escort almost trivially easy yet still retain the punch needed. The Fleet T5U Tempest is still a rock solid, flexible performer. The T6 Phantom, which I've long called the unofficial T6 Defiant, fixes the old complaints of the T5 Defiant and has the built in cloak. Not only that, but has Full Intel Access.
We can predict with fair certainty what the BOFF layout for a T6 Defiant will have. The Console layout and the rest of the stats will be guaranteed to get right. But what the T6 Defiant will never have is Full Specialization Access. Not like the Phantom with its powerful Full Intel Access (especially for single target focus), the Pilot Ships with Pilot Spec, etc. No lower tier ship converted to T6 has ever gotten Full Specialization Access (Cmdr BOFF slot level for those unaware).
The Specialization ships basically have all the perks of a "regular" Tier 6 ship, but also get a specialization extra ability.
That means every non-Spec ship has to compete with these ships.
Worse - the Pilot Specialization is pretty much the perfect fit for Escorts. Mechanically, there seems to be no need for another Escort after them. They even got a 5/2 layout, which most Tier 6 Escorts probably will not get.
Distribution of 5/2 loadouts for Escorts is a bit more even at T6. Not like T5 where the history of ships is much longer, stretching back to a time when 5/2 Escorts didn't exist. As OP as the JHAS was years ago, it was "only" a 4/3 Escort but it had 5 TAC as well as other nice factors compared to other ships.
When the Pilot Ships came out, reading the stats alone made them instantly among the top-tier Escorts of the game. Their mechanics, firepower, handling is an unsurpassed combo. The lower hull issue isn't an issue when a player knows when to use Pilot Maneuvers and grant Immunity after barely a handful of seconds to recharge. That's a powerful tool and gimmick. Nothing else in the game is like that and it's built into the ships with zero console slot sacrificing. Better yet, they're not a Lockbox / Promo ship that a player may gamble for. When I started flying them, I had a hard time justifying a switch to another Escort other than for Starship Mastery Collecting.
If Cryptic isn't going to grant Full Spec Access to all the T6 ships, they could at least do Dual Spec Access like the JHSS. But Dual Spec you'll see is only on Lobi/Lockbox/Promo ships. The "Premium Ships."
For the Sovereign, it's going to get Command seating. I'll buy a LTS if it doesn't get a Command seat.
I pray that it's not Command. Please, anything but Command LOL!
Haha! I understand that sentiment. After I posted above I started thinking about the Sovereign as portrayed in the movies.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Ent-E was actually pretty nimbly-pimbly. Ever since the Pilot Spec was introduced, I 've never imagined it fitting on a Cruiser. Ever. So if the Sovi were to get it, then it should not go into LtC or higher. Thus, it would not get Full Access. Now, if they gave it ... Pilot and Intel ... *that* would be nuts.
Yes. Even the Galaxy could put a bit of "pep" in its step in some situations. The D'Deridex on the other hand, LOL! There has never been any instance of that ship maneuvering decently under its own power.
SUPPORTING PLAYABLE CARDASSIAN AND DOMINION FACTIONS!
As for specs, no, you can't have all three.