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crypticjoejing
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After all the years of assets in STO, you may have noticed issues with organization, clipping, assets almost randomly working for one species, but not another, and so on...
There are easily 100+ clipping bugs alone. We've done some work to improve issues by adjusting the geometry of many assets. But a big chunk of the problem is due to improper categorization.
So coming soon you'll start seeing our efforts to continually improve not only the way the game looks, but also how you as players interact and use it.
First is a big pass on the footwear and belts with many revised names and alphabetical sorting, and proper category and faction settings. A similar pass is getting addressed for the uniform lower (pants, skirts, etc)
This *might* cause some existing costumes to need a "refresh" to re-validate assets. For example, you may find that any puffy, tucked pants will no longer also be found in the "Pants - Tight" category. Makes sense, right?
We're trying really hard to make sure you can still make the costumes you want though - again, the categories should just be more logical.
Annnnnddd....we're also trying really hard to address the many requests we've had to actually unlock certain parts to species/factions as appropriate as well as free up more items between uniform and off-duty.
There might be a hiccup or two because this is such a big undertaking with so many linked parts, but we think the end result will be worth it for everyone.
So as it comes in - keep your eyes open and let us know (constructively, please) if you spot major issues. We're excited about this "little" clean-up and we hope it makes you guys happy too.
There are easily 100+ clipping bugs alone. We've done some work to improve issues by adjusting the geometry of many assets. But a big chunk of the problem is due to improper categorization.
So coming soon you'll start seeing our efforts to continually improve not only the way the game looks, but also how you as players interact and use it.
First is a big pass on the footwear and belts with many revised names and alphabetical sorting, and proper category and faction settings. A similar pass is getting addressed for the uniform lower (pants, skirts, etc)
This *might* cause some existing costumes to need a "refresh" to re-validate assets. For example, you may find that any puffy, tucked pants will no longer also be found in the "Pants - Tight" category. Makes sense, right?
We're trying really hard to make sure you can still make the costumes you want though - again, the categories should just be more logical.
Annnnnddd....we're also trying really hard to address the many requests we've had to actually unlock certain parts to species/factions as appropriate as well as free up more items between uniform and off-duty.
There might be a hiccup or two because this is such a big undertaking with so many linked parts, but we think the end result will be worth it for everyone.
So as it comes in - keep your eyes open and let us know (constructively, please) if you spot major issues. We're excited about this "little" clean-up and we hope it makes you guys happy too.
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If this means that Romulan characters will have fuller access to the Tal Shiar uniform set (even just giving the belt to the males, and the chest piece to the females)... oh, man!
Space Barbie!
You know I'll be watching!
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CrypticJoeJing,
No pressure, but do you have any idea when the Klingon Revamp you posted about will go live?
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1445201
(I'm still looking forward to my sheathed Dk Tahg.)
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
will this cause existing, unedited outfits to break, requiring them to be edited?
i hope not, because 'legacy outfits' (old-school gorn, edited potatoman boffs, etc) cannot be edited without breaking them.
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I hope you introduce a freebie Admiral Jacket like the one the vets get and you have dressed every Admiral Npc in as I would love to be able to dress my Admirals in there correct uniforms.
You shouldn't see things unlocked that don't seem appropriate for Star Trek species/factions. Like "bare legs w/ loincloth" will only be for Orion females.
But I do hope we managed to unlock a few things (maybe quite a few) that make sense and offer you guys more options. It's hard to tell as it was little tweak after little tweak and there are so many species/factions and item unlocks. Ultimately, it will probably depend player to player - which species, which faction, and how much you've unlocked and bought.
This pass is only focused on the lower uniform components atm.
that's a shame but that's cool also mainly down to things like TNG bottoms not matching or fitting with the First Contact/DS9 (season 5 onwards) uniforms which drive me nuts trying to blend them to the tops.
and tbh any touch ups etc are so welcome it's a nice thing to see. :-)
Thank you
Thank you also for communicating this on these forums. I sometimes think the forums get treated like an illegitimate red headed stepchild when it comes to game announcements. Some of us are not Twitter or Reddit compatible.
Thank you also for noticing this stuff and just fixing it. Without fanfare or drama or hype. Keep it up. The biggest drawback to this game are all the Quality of Life issues which appear and seem to hang around forever. One or two of them appearing is an irritant. The Golden Horde of QofA issues now affecting game play is nearly fatal when it comes to whether or not i want to log in and play.
You can't fix everything all at once. I get that. But doing thing like you've just posted about goes a long way towards indicating to me some of the Dev Team shares the passion and enthusiasm I have had my whole life about all things Star Trek.
At the time when the TMP outfits were first introduced (and I bought the set), I could use the TMP footwear on Females (in this case, Betazoid (F, Main) and Pakled (F, BOffs)) in the Skirts option. After a certain amount of time, I found that using the TMP footwear /Skirts wasn't allowed. Is this something that can be looked at?
Thank you for the time...
Cryptic, would you actulaly like me to spend actual Money? It's Simple:
Like...
YES!
I know it'll uncover other bugs. Shag 'em Shoot 'em. Edit 'em into non entities. Do rude things to this bad naughty code.
And thing to add to the todo list.. Baseball caps.. Honestly should have a new category, wearable with other head ornament items, and a dealers/golf/tennis brim for those with extensive cranial regions,,I do not want to be fitting Jem Hadar for hats...
Thanks for the word. And I am so sure that you gonna be busy for awhile! A really long while on this one. 5 plus years of accumulated code. More like 6.5-7 I'm guessing. I know its going to take a bit of time plowing through it all, sorting out, etc. It'll work so much faster when its done on both ends.
And I wonder... Could this data shuffling on the part of client perhaps the "Risa Lag Bug" bandit?
Need a hammer?
When you get to the uppers... it would be great to see comm-badges available in Off-Duty as has been seen numerous times in canon.
Probably my one and only "dearest wish" is for a "Unified Colour Palette".
It really annoys me that I cannot for instance use "green" on any of my KDF toons. Or for that matter, on most of my "Romklink" clothing.
Or the fact that I cannot have the gorgeous Bright Scarlet shoulder pads, like the "costume dummy" wears on Qo'noS ... I'm not expecting that Fluorescent Green and Hot Pink like we have with the Swimsuit palette be added, but at least a full colour palette would be nice.
the palette we can use on the voth uniform would be great. its similar to the typical kdf palette, but also has less muted variations on the usual colours... and includes green and purple!
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While not a lower uniform component, I request female Slicked Back 5 hairstyle be accessible to aliens (and not just tellarites as it is currently).
On topic of lower uniform components, thigh-high boots for Orions in the bare legs category, as a notable dancing Orion NPC in DS9 seems to have it.
I'd actually like to see the thigh-high boots available for all KDF female characters, seeing as they're available for all Fed and Romulan faction female characters, as it is.
Additionally, I'd love to see the Seven of Nine boots, both variations, available for KDF and Romulan female characters (after being unlocked via purchase, presumably), as KDF female characters don't have that many variations of boots to work with that aren't all spikes and steel toes. My more fully-clothed Orion pirate would especially appreciate this.
Would like to see the Seven boots for Off-Duty as well.
Actually wouldn't mind seeing entire non-uniform-specific outfits we unlock/buy being available for KDF/Romulans on the whole, to help fill out the potential wardrobe, but those two sets of boots, Seven and the thigh-highs, should really see use on the KDF (and Romulan) faction.
I agree. Or at least let some of the off-duty options be used with uniforms, like mercenary pieces as mentioned above by ursusmorologus. Those may not be "regulation," but at least some pieces certainly would fit with uniforms.
This may require some upper uniform component tweaking as well, in order to fix clipping issues. For example, a friend last night was working on a new uniform, and she chose the Yesterday's Enterprise belt, which clipped in the back with her top. That clipping issue may have more to do with the top than the belt, since it doesn't occur with every top.
So much this.
I'm all for more long hairstyle options for women; they are currently rather limited.
There are also Orions in "Night of the Comet" who wear thigh boots, and the Orion Admiral in the Captain's Table is certainly wearing thigh boots. I don't understand why they haven't been available for Orions all along.
Thigh boots are only available to Feds who have bought the TOS Mirror Uniform, and to Romulans who have the TOS Romulan uniform (or the Vet boots, which are also thigh boots, but a different style, available to Veterans and LTS). That said, I would absolutely pay for a new costume style for my Orions (and if I had any other KDF toons, for them as well) which allowed the use of those TOS Mirror/Romulan thigh boots.
And yes, I absolutely love the Seven of Nine Tall Boots, which are one of the very few styles of footwear in-game that have any sort of heel. I would love to be able to use these not only on my Vulcan and Fed Alien, but also on my Romulans and Orions.
The TOS Romulan/Mirror thigh boots and both styles of 7 of 9 boots would be welcome additions for all factions that do not currently have access to them, and yes, they're C-store purchases for those who can use them (*cough Feds cough*), so I would not object to their being C-store purchases for RRF and KDF as well. And I agree that these could and should be made available for off-duty wear as well.
(For that matter, when you get around to working on accessories, the creole [hoop] earrings would be a nice addition to RRF, who are currently the only people who can't use them. But what I really want, like REALLY CRAVE, is the ring and earrings worn by the Romulan Commander in "The Enterprise Incident," as well as, for that matter, her off-duty gown, her hairstyle, and her eyebrow shape.)
Is there a way to gain a costume DELETE button in character creator to make it much easier for us players who have so many costume slots. This is not deleting the slots but only the costume in those slots . I relize that we can modify which is good if changing small things but if large amount of options are to be changed a DELETE button would be so much easier . If u can please and Thank You.
Can we get a detailed list of the changes, or will the details be in the patch notes?
Also, about one and a half years ago, the textures of several pants were inexplicably changed from matte to glossy. I don't know whether this change was intentional or not, but it was never announced or mentioned in the patch notes. I'm also not sure why you didn't provide both a matte and a glossy option like some other outfit pieces have.
Holodeck ticket #2,146,791: Texture changes to pants
Also noted in the above bug report: Females no longer have a mid-ankle version of the pants "Panels and Pockets".
Lastly, I've always found it odd that female soft boots are called "Boots Soft", while male soft boots are called "Soft Boots". Is this inconsistent naming one of the things that will be addressed?
And (for the Orions) since they basically can wear a bikini without the loincloth please don't "censor" it by removing that option.
Any chance that Lobi Uniforms would be accountwide too in the future (probably not because of some "metrics") I would buy more of them in the future then
I also think there should be no restrictions between BOffs and Captains. formal Wear, Off-duty and all uniforms should be available for Boffs too.
And (sorry tbut i have to ask) if some parts are not suitable for Feds (given example. Loincloth) what should i do if i have some Traditional Ferengi Women on Board? You know what i mean.
But what if someone's Greek
Good to see, though one thing I'd like to add is that the Armour components, would it be possible to make them mix and match a bit more? For instance I like the webbing and grenades from the Omega set, but want to use them on the Kobali set for a combat Samurai look! That kind of thing
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
KDF females don't have access to thigh high boots. What you saw was a user that had used a bug/glitch to outfit their character in pieces they weren't suppose to have. (I've actually seen a Federation Alien on Drozana once that was wearing the Orion bikini parts)
There are only 2 versions of thigh high boots available to female players currently:
Fed ToS mirror uniform boots
Romulan ToS boots
Though it would be nice to open up these thigh high boots to KDF females, or at least give them a new version.
Edit: Forgot about the Dyson boots from the uniform you buy at your fleet spire that is available for both genders of all factions. There is also a female thigh high veteran boots for Romulan Republic characters.