.... Someone designed and built a new ship, and the driver claims it is backwards. This is simply human expectations and bias ... in space, any shape is fine, there are no aerodynamics or other reasons to build a ship that looks like an airplane or a boat or a car. It can be shaped like a T with the cross the front or a T with the cross the aft, it does not matter at all.
Most of the 'canon' ships were designed by third graders. The bridges are exposed to fire rather than buried deep in the ship under armor etc, because... starships use windows instead of cameras to look ahead? How many times we see the crew flopping around on the deck like fish from a single torpedo or something?
Practical design for warfare would frown on all these exposed bridges and thin connective points and wings and all. The borg have it down... a good sphere is the way to go, covered in layers of armor and weapons, with no obvious weak spots. And, given the solid-holo technology, It would be possible to just have an armored core that projected the ship, change the ship design on demand as needed...
Its good to see someone else say this The 1st time I saw a Sphere and heard their 'oh so familiar welcome' I remember thinking to myself 'oh ***t, these guys are bad news, really bad news!' Everything I ever needed to know about the Borg was shown in the Sphere and expressed in that 45secs. By all accounts, aside from supreme 'something' intervention, the only reason i can see that we don't all speak Borg, is because the writing has not allowed them to progress to their natural order.
Would not be ok with something like the Phantom escort or Eclipse moving the other way around.
Ferengi ships clearly have a design. People only seem to remember the D'kora. However there where a handful of other ferrengi ships on the show, granted a few of them where shuttles. Regardless they all shared a common design. None of them flew backwards.
The choice to backwards this one in some attempt to be edgy, is silly.
It is no different then taking the standard Fed Design, Paper plate and 2 Hot dogs. and Reversing it with a Hotdog paper plate design. (Yes Cryptic please do that... for the next fed ship give us a Pod Racer in space)
The Summer ship is NOT an alien ship it is a Ferengi ship, Ferengi ships have a canon style. Cryptic spat on it.
Perhaps saying it would be like flipping over a Fed desgin on purpose doesn't resonate with most people. Perhaps the better way to explain it would be to use another "alien" race. Lets say they decided to create a Rif on the games most beloved model. The B'Rel'. If they gave us a new T6 Brel and changed the nose a bit. perhaps funked up the nascels and gun wings. Then to try and be cool they flip the entire thing 180 and made it fly backewards. Cool right, we would love it. lol
Would not be ok with something like the Phantom escort or Eclipse moving the other way around.
Ferengi ships clearly have a design. People only seem to remember the D'kora. However there where a handful of other ferrengi ships on the show, granted a few of them where shuttles. Regardless they all shared a common design. None of them flew backwards.
The choice to backwards this one in some attempt to be edgy, is silly.
It is no different then taking the standard Fed Design, Paper plate and 2 Hot dogs. and Reversing it with a Hotdog paper plate design.
The Summer ship is NOT an alien ship it is a Ferengi ship, Ferengi ships have a canon style. Cryptic spat on it.
Perhaps saying it would be like flipping over a Fed desgin on purpose doesn't resonate with most people. Perhaps the better way to explain it would be to use another "alien" race. Lets say they decided to create a Rif on the games most beloved model. The B'Rel'. If they gave us a new T6 Brel and changed the nose a bit. perhaps funked up the nascels and gun wings. Then to try and be cool they flip the entire thing 180 and made it fly backewards. Cool right, we would love it. lol
It's not flying backwards...there are what...3 ferengi ships that I can recall in canon...two look somewhat alike and the Nandi follows the common point...which is the forward hull forms almost a crescent shape pattern...which the Nandi follows perfectly.
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The forward-swept curved hull appears only on a single Ferengi design. It's the D'kora, so it's very relevant, but it's not universal. The "horns" surrounding the bow are universal across all designs, including the Nandi.
Oh wow. The feeling that it is backwards is just uncanny. My rational brain agrees with all of the points raised about a (non-canon) ship's design elements being fairly consistent with canon Ferengi ships. Logically I can argue myself into believing its flight profile is consistent with canon Ferengi ships.
But the moment I actually see it, my brain screams BACKWARDS, BACKWARDS, BACKWARDS like a small child holding his hands over his ears and screaming...
Would not be ok with something like the Phantom escort or Eclipse moving the other way around.
Ferengi ships clearly have a design. People only seem to remember the D'kora. However there where a handful of other ferrengi ships on the show, granted a few of them where shuttles. Regardless they all shared a common design. None of them flew backwards.
The choice to backwards this one in some attempt to be edgy, is silly.
It is no different then taking the standard Fed Design, Paper plate and 2 Hot dogs. and Reversing it with a Hotdog paper plate design. (Yes Cryptic please do that... for the next fed ship give us a Pod Racer in space)
The Summer ship is NOT an alien ship it is a Ferengi ship, Ferengi ships have a canon style. Cryptic spat on it.
Perhaps saying it would be like flipping over a Fed desgin on purpose doesn't resonate with most people. Perhaps the better way to explain it would be to use another "alien" race. Lets say they decided to create a Rif on the games most beloved model. The B'Rel'. If they gave us a new T6 Brel and changed the nose a bit. perhaps funked up the nascels and gun wings. Then to try and be cool they flip the entire thing 180 and made it fly backewards. Cool right, we would love it. lol
It does not fly backwards. The bow is clearly the ferengi bow, the aft is clearly the ferengi aft.... the only thing different is the nacelles are mounted in wings sweeping back, rather than being integral to the aft. And frankly ,that is minor. It looks like it flies in the direction it looks like it should fly based upon overall ferengi design aesthetic.
Would not be ok with something like the Phantom escort or Eclipse moving the other way around.
Ferengi ships clearly have a design. People only seem to remember the D'kora. However there where a handful of other ferrengi ships on the show, granted a few of them where shuttles. Regardless they all shared a common design. None of them flew backwards.
The choice to backwards this one in some attempt to be edgy, is silly.
It is no different then taking the standard Fed Design, Paper plate and 2 Hot dogs. and Reversing it with a Hotdog paper plate design. (Yes Cryptic please do that... for the next fed ship give us a Pod Racer in space)
The Summer ship is NOT an alien ship it is a Ferengi ship, Ferengi ships have a canon style. Cryptic spat on it.
Perhaps saying it would be like flipping over a Fed desgin on purpose doesn't resonate with most people. Perhaps the better way to explain it would be to use another "alien" race. Lets say they decided to create a Rif on the games most beloved model. The B'Rel'. If they gave us a new T6 Brel and changed the nose a bit. perhaps funked up the nascels and gun wings. Then to try and be cool they flip the entire thing 180 and made it fly backewards. Cool right, we would love it. lol
i get that you don't like it, so i guess its really a good thing that they don't design to your specs, because there are plenty that do like it. comparing it to anything in federation terms for a design schedule makes no sense, nothing in the D'Kora is comparative to fed design, all the same important form factors exist in the Nandi as they do the D'Kora, all that has changed is rear sweeping wings/arms/pods whatever you want to classify them as.
there is mention of quark in the story line behind this ship, so while you can assume this ship is something created 'by' the Ferengi military, im more inclined to think it was probably created to 'sell' to the Ferengi military, and erm, the Risians we getting the surplus at twice the price.. you want to consider that?
quark has a long standing history with the Cardassians, he was on DS9 back during the occupation, well before the federation turned up, his sympathy may have sat with the Bajorans, but he did trade both sides.
inspiration comes from many places, in quarks case profits, and avoiding lost profits (see what i did there) im sure all that time spent with the Cardassians will have resulted in quark possessing certain specifications and documents, he may have even purchased Cardassian ship components at 'knock down prices' after the dominion war.
oh and FYI unless you are a Ferengi, then they are alien and that makes it an alien ship.
as for canon.. a single ship may be a canon ship, but that doesn't mean that all the ships that follow have to look exactly the same. there is a wealth of ship designs between the Federation, Klingon Empire and the Romulan Star Empire, different classes, different functions, different sizes, do they all look the same? do they all follow the same respective form factors? the Ferengi have the D'Kora, a standard Shuttle, a cargo shuttle and the captains 'escape' shuttle. the oldest rendered model is the original 22nd century shuttle, aside from the same nod to Crustacean inspiration and the pronged front facing, it looks nothing like the D'Kora. would that then mean the D'Kora was wrong? of course not. also worth noting that the D'Kora and the Nandi are different classes of ship.
nothing in the D'Kora is comparative to fed design, all the same important form factors exist in the Nandi as they do the D'Kora.
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as for canon.. a single ship may be a canon ship, but that doesn't mean that all the ships that follow have to look exactly the same. there is a wealth of ship designs between the Federation, Klingon Empire and the Romulan Star Empire, different classes, different functions, different sizes, do they all look the same? do they all follow the same respective form factors? the Ferengi have the D'Kora, a standard Shuttle, a cargo shuttle and the captains 'escape' shuttle. the oldest rendered model is the original 22nd century shuttle, aside from the same nod to Crustacean inspiration and the pronged front facing, it looks nothing like the D'Kora. would that then mean the D'Kora was wrong? of course not. also worth noting that the D'Kora and the Nandi are different classes of ship.
Sorry for the snips.
Your right the Nandi is clearly based off of the D'kora. Which is what we understand as Ferengi design. Everyone that loves Ferengi design thinks this is backwards. People that are indifferent think its backwards. Frankly from seeing convos in game and here... The people that think it is proper are the minority. Its backwards. You can like that its backwards, still its backwards.
Your right of course ships based on Canon design, don't have to follow everything to the letter. However they have to follow the design ques or they look wrong.
Which is why I mentioned some of Cryptics other riffs. The Phantom/Eclipse... pretty much all the newer Rom/KDF/Fed ships are not canon. However Cryptic stays true as they should to the design ques of those species ships. What I have said holds true. If the eclipse was exactly the same as it is now, and just traveled in the opposite dirrection. Perhaps that would be cool looking to someone, still it would be backwards compared to the canon fed ships. They wouldn't take a D'deridex, update the looks and then turn it around. As they wouldn't take a Bird of Prey and make the neck stick out the back.
I'm glad you like the nandi, your the one. Congrats.
Oh wow. The feeling that it is backwards is just uncanny. My rational brain agrees with all of the points raised about a (non-canon) ship's design elements being fairly consistent with canon Ferengi ships. Logically I can argue myself into believing its flight profile is consistent with canon Ferengi ships.
But the moment I actually see it, my brain screams BACKWARDS, BACKWARDS, BACKWARDS like a small child holding his hands over his ears and screaming...
Wow.
i'm going to make a calculated guess here, and suggest that most (maybe even all) of the folk saying it looks backwards don't pilot a D'Kora? as a D'Kora captain you are used to seeing the very flat geometric angles up front, with its triangular protrusions, and the wingtip weapon points that look like mini claws, and the very rounded rear section that sits up higher than the front of the ship, housing the retractable torpedo launcher. all those elements still remain exactly the same, it just has a swept back side sections now.
Your right the Nandi is clearly based off of the D'kora. Which is what we understand as Ferengi design. Everyone that loves Ferengi design thinks this is backwards. People that are indifferent think its backwards. Frankly from seeing convos in game and here... The people that think it is proper are the minority.
The only proper que that says it should travel the direction they choose is where they put the ports on the "back".
Really reskin the model put that in the back, increase the height on what is currently the front... and reduce the height of what is currently the back. Then flip it the proper way, and it would be a well done riff on the D'kora.
Sorry its backwards, yes they have gotten the visual ferengi ques right. Not denying that. Someone clearly just skinned this backwards and played with some height perspectives... and oriented it backwards to be edgy. It was a terrible choice. The design was good until they tried to be unique and hip or something. Its bad, its my opinion no doubt. I think most people agree with me though.
The only proper que that says it should travel the direction they choose is where they put the ports on the "back".
Really reskin the model put that in the back, increase the height on what is currently the front... and reduce the height of what is currently the back. Then flip it the proper way, and it would be a well done riff on the D'kora.
Sorry its backwards, yes they have gotten the visual ferengi ques right. Not denying that. Someone clearly just skinned this backwards and played with some height perspectives... and oriented it backwards to be edgy. It was a terrible choice. The design was good until they tried to be unique and hip or something. Its bad, its my opinion no doubt. I think most people agree with me though.
The only proper que that says it should travel the direction they choose is where they put the ports on the "back".
Really reskin the model put that in the back, increase the height on what is currently the front... and reduce the height of what is currently the back. Then flip it the proper way, and it would be a well done riff on the D'kora.
Sorry its backwards, yes they have gotten the visual ferengi ques right. Not denying that. Someone clearly just skinned this backwards and played with some height perspectives... and oriented it backwards to be edgy. It was a terrible choice. The design was good until they tried to be unique and hip or something. Its bad, its my opinion no doubt. I think most people agree with me though.
Actually there is far more than that. Frankly if the ports on the back are all you can see for design cues for its direction then you either have not looked at the ship or there is something wrong with your vision... the overall design aesthetic as it relates to other Ferengi vessels has it traveling the way they have it traveling. It has the front "horns" of a typical ferengi bow, and a rounded aft section typical of ferengi main rear sections...... the only thing that really differs is that it has nacellles housings on wings that sweep back mounted to the bow, rather than being completely integral in the aft as in the D'Kora.
The only proper que that says it should travel the direction they choose is where they put the ports on the "back".
Really reskin the model put that in the back, increase the height on what is currently the front... and reduce the height of what is currently the back. Then flip it the proper way, and it would be a well done riff on the D'kora.
Sorry its backwards, yes they have gotten the visual ferengi ques right. Not denying that. Someone clearly just skinned this backwards and played with some height perspectives... and oriented it backwards to be edgy. It was a terrible choice. The design was good until they tried to be unique and hip or something. Its bad, its my opinion no doubt. I think most people agree with me though.
you and some people think it looks backwards, me and some others dont. its clearly a subjective issue. having spoke to some players who own it, they can confirm it does actually fly forwards, not backwards. most of the comments about this ship have been very 'off the cuff' humorous little remarks, a few have gone into a little more detail, but still we form a very tiny minority.
i've had chats with quite a few players in Risa about the Nandi, its pretty cool we can fly out to get a good look at it. the only negative comment i have heard is 'not really sure about that colour dude'. in your opinion, you seem to be suggesting some kind of indifference in the design room.. yeah just bash it out.. or that they are unprofessional and just want to try something flash to impress the boss? have you even taken the time to find out who it is you are directing your condescension and arrogance towards?
so maybe its just my opinion, but i think others will agree, you really do have a very high opinion of yourself and are just rude and disrespectful. i have a lot of respect for the art team, they are hard working, extremely professional, and would never show the same discourtesy to you as you are showing to them. from a subjective point of view, there will always be things you like and things you don't, but, it is wrong for a person to judge the artist, on a subjective opinion about their work.. any decent person knows this.
pretty cool ship, i like how everything is tucked away underneath, once that thing is on the ground it is pretty well protected, i wonder if this is the original ship that was inspired by the horseshoe crab? going off of the D'Kora, you wouldn't really recognise this was a Ferengi ship straight off the bat, once you know it is though, that front end pops right out at you lol.
As you can see, it offers a different kind of similarity in design, where it is the side that matters.
[Matrix philosophy mode]
It's symbolic. It shows how efficient Ferengi get around a problem to keep the upper hand, how they fool gullible people into thinking they're dealing with a D'Kora, while in fact, they're dealing with a more powerful Nandi.
Besides, Nandi is an anagram of Dinna, which is also symbolic at how Ferengi can look weak, like a dinner or a "dinna, bro" to eat if you will, but they can, as the old book says "ruin your motherfreaking day" by turning things against you.
When you see the Nandi, the Dinna, it's not it that is the little treat to eat with ease, but a reflection of your potential situation, it's not the dinna, you are the dinna and everything to the sides of the ship is a potential dinna. When one looks deep into the Nandi, the reflection makes them become the Dinna.
Stop trying to interpret the Nandi as backwards, when in fact, the truth is it makes everything on its sides reflect their own backward-ism.
If you understood the purpose of the choice of these paragraphs, congratulations, because I definitely didn't even try to.
As you can see, it offers a different kind of similarity in design, where it is the side that matters.
[Matrix philosophy mode]
It's symbolic. It shows how efficient Ferengi get around a problem to keep the upper hand, how they fool gullible people into thinking they're dealing with a D'Kora, while in fact, they're dealing with a more powerful Nandi.
Besides, Nandi is an anagram of Dinna, which is also symbolic at how Ferengi can look weak, like a dinner or a "dinna, bro" to eat if you will, but they can, as the old book says "ruin your motherfreaking day" by turning things against you.
When you see the Nandi, the Dinna, it's not it that is the little treat to eat with ease, but a reflection of your potential situation, it's not the dinna, you are the dinna and everything to the sides of the ship is a potential dinna. When one looks deep into the Nandi, the reflection makes them become the Dinna.
Stop trying to interpret the Nandi as backwards, when in fact, the truth is it makes everything on its sides reflect their own backward-ism.
If you understood the purpose of the choice of these paragraphs, congratulations, because I definitely didn't even try to.
[/Matrix philosophy mode]
wow dude that amazeballs.. that is exactly similar to a dream i may have had last night.. its like the mist has risen and the veil dropped, my eyes couldn't feel what my heart couldn't see, but now, i think i remember it just how it might have been.. i am swimming through a sea of lazy caramel (you know the stuff with the little bits of soft nugget in, and perfect little hazelnuts) and the Nandi, she is, oh yeah in this dream the Nandi is like this 6 armed goddes with soft skin the colour of gold and wearing this really rocking Rich Corinthian leather outfit... wow she had 6 arms, and i only have 2 lobes w00t... anyway Nandi is waiting at the other side of this caramel ocean, stood next to this massive milk chocolate fountain with a dry towel and a smile
don't you think the similarity between your Nandi philosophy and my dream are so crazily similar? how saurial is that?
Snip... Everyone that loves Ferengi design thinks this is backwards. People that are indifferent think its backwards. Snip...
Well your argument falls apart right there. I love Ferengi designs, especially the D'Kora, and I don't think the Nandi is flying backwards.
I can clearly see where the D'Kora design cues flow through the Nandi, especially running down the middle of the hull from the pronged head, through the neck to the built up curved aft section.
The only major difference I can see is the designer moved the "wings" from the aft section to the front and swept them backwards.
As for the design of the ship itself, that's a matter of personal taste. For me, I'm not totally convinced by the looks of the ship, but I respect the ship artists enough to acknowledge that they tried to come up with something that was familiar yet, at the same time, different.
Well your argument falls apart right there. I love Ferengi designs, especially the D'Kora, and I don't think the Nandi is flying backwards.
I can clearly see where the D'Kora design cues flow through the Nandi, especially running down the middle of the hull from the pronged head, through the neck to the built up curved aft section.
The only major difference I can see is the designer moved the "wings" from the aft section to the front and swept them backwards.
As for the design of the ship itself, that's a matter of personal taste. For me, I'm not totally convinced by the looks of the ship, but I respect the ship artists enough to acknowledge that they tried to come up with something that was familiar yet, at the same time, different.
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This is exactly how I feel. This ship itself is not backwards. IMHO only the "wings" are. My Ferengi will use this as his primary ship for sure.
Your right the Nandi is clearly based off of the D'kora. Which is what we understand as Ferengi design. Everyone that loves Ferengi design thinks this is backwards. People that are indifferent think its backwards. Frankly from seeing convos in game and here... The people that think it is proper are the minority. Its backwards. You can like that its backwards, still its backwards.
A piece of advice: Never confuse your opinion with "the majority" or even "everybody". This doesn't end well
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If the D'Kora is based on a horseshoe crab, then it is flying backwards. Have you ever seen a horseshoe crab? Nandi got it right, D'Kora was the mistake.
It just feels very unbalanced. With that huge big end, you assume it should be the other way around, a bit like the Galor.
The ship just doesn't feel very fun for the Summer Event...the courvette and the cruiser are camp and that's great, but maybe Cryptic could have thought a little more out of the box.
The Botany Bay, the Raven, the leper's ship, etc...or a really amazing universal console, or a free holoemitter that can project a huge varied collection of ships.
OR, for once, giving us a ground reward...remember in Voyager when Janeway used the Nelix resort hologrammes to distraction the macroviruses? What about a Risian beach party that can beam in like a security escort, completely passive, but used as a distraction against enemies!
If the D'Kora is based on a horseshoe crab, then it is flying backwards. Have you ever seen a horseshoe crab? Nandi got it right, D'Kora was the mistake.
Well, yes and no.
A number of Star Trek ships are "based off an animal but backwards".
For example, the Klingon D7's and successor designs (K'tinga, Vor'Cha, et cetra), are all based off of manta rays, but flying tail-end's first.
My personal two cents on the Nanid? It's definitely a Ferengi ship. And while the D'Kora seems to be the general catch-all Ferengi design, built to do a little of everything, the Nandi has a specific design: it's a warship. As such, it has a much more aggressive design, as opposed to the passive-aggressiveness of the D'Kora.
If the D'Kora is based on a horseshoe crab, then it is flying backwards. Have you ever seen a horseshoe crab? Nandi got it right, D'Kora was the mistake.
Right cause the D'kora would look right flying the other way around.
What is silly is basing alien ships on Lifeforms found on EARTH.
Cool to get the inspiration from that as a designer. However clearly TNG guys took the inspiration and flipped it backwards on purpose.
Yeah, incredibly silly to base anything on the ONLY things humans know. I really wonder why we'd do such a thing.
Because some of us lack imagination I guess.
The real issue isn't basing things on earth based life.
The issue is the people involved in the show, took there ques from things we know all the time. In the case of star ships all the examples you can find that are based on life forms are turned around backwards on purpose. (ok perhaps not... the space jelly from far point didn't need to be lol) So in that regard Cryptic got it wrong.
I am not sure it's wise to troll the ship designers like that. They might TRIBBLE with your ship tailor the next time you play...
they already did
don't you recall the samsar & astika? flying space-TRIBBLE, we all had a good laugh about them when they came out. those might have better shapes for t6 carriers, like an aircraft carrier motif. but whatever. I'm sure it's difficult to come up with unique ideas.
yeah, the nandi looks a little odd. I can see the designers are bored. but you know, it has to look like a ship, and not just like a bunch of shapes put together that look genuinely interesting. it is nice looking. the problem comes when it moves. it's jarring.
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Its good to see someone else say this
Nope...forward pincers on both? Check! Almost Crescent shaped forward hull with points? Check!
I see no reason to logically think the Nandi is *backwards*...
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Again the people that are ok with this....
Would not be ok with something like the Phantom escort or Eclipse moving the other way around.
Ferengi ships clearly have a design. People only seem to remember the D'kora. However there where a handful of other ferrengi ships on the show, granted a few of them where shuttles. Regardless they all shared a common design. None of them flew backwards.
The choice to backwards this one in some attempt to be edgy, is silly.
It is no different then taking the standard Fed Design, Paper plate and 2 Hot dogs. and Reversing it with a Hotdog paper plate design. (Yes Cryptic please do that... for the next fed ship give us a Pod Racer in space)
The Summer ship is NOT an alien ship it is a Ferengi ship, Ferengi ships have a canon style. Cryptic spat on it.
Perhaps saying it would be like flipping over a Fed desgin on purpose doesn't resonate with most people. Perhaps the better way to explain it would be to use another "alien" race. Lets say they decided to create a Rif on the games most beloved model. The B'Rel'. If they gave us a new T6 Brel and changed the nose a bit. perhaps funked up the nascels and gun wings. Then to try and be cool they flip the entire thing 180 and made it fly backewards. Cool right, we would love it. lol
It's not flying backwards...there are what...3 ferengi ships that I can recall in canon...two look somewhat alike and the Nandi follows the common point...which is the forward hull forms almost a crescent shape pattern...which the Nandi follows perfectly.
But the moment I actually see it, my brain screams BACKWARDS, BACKWARDS, BACKWARDS like a small child holding his hands over his ears and screaming...
Wow.
It does not fly backwards. The bow is clearly the ferengi bow, the aft is clearly the ferengi aft.... the only thing different is the nacelles are mounted in wings sweeping back, rather than being integral to the aft. And frankly ,that is minor. It looks like it flies in the direction it looks like it should fly based upon overall ferengi design aesthetic.
i get that you don't like it, so i guess its really a good thing that they don't design to your specs, because there are plenty that do like it. comparing it to anything in federation terms for a design schedule makes no sense, nothing in the D'Kora is comparative to fed design, all the same important form factors exist in the Nandi as they do the D'Kora, all that has changed is rear sweeping wings/arms/pods whatever you want to classify them as.
there is mention of quark in the story line behind this ship, so while you can assume this ship is something created 'by' the Ferengi military, im more inclined to think it was probably created to 'sell' to the Ferengi military, and erm, the Risians we getting the surplus at twice the price.. you want to consider that?
quark has a long standing history with the Cardassians, he was on DS9 back during the occupation, well before the federation turned up, his sympathy may have sat with the Bajorans, but he did trade both sides.
inspiration comes from many places, in quarks case profits, and avoiding lost profits (see what i did there) im sure all that time spent with the Cardassians will have resulted in quark possessing certain specifications and documents, he may have even purchased Cardassian ship components at 'knock down prices' after the dominion war.
oh and FYI unless you are a Ferengi, then they are alien and that makes it an alien ship.
as for canon.. a single ship may be a canon ship, but that doesn't mean that all the ships that follow have to look exactly the same. there is a wealth of ship designs between the Federation, Klingon Empire and the Romulan Star Empire, different classes, different functions, different sizes, do they all look the same? do they all follow the same respective form factors? the Ferengi have the D'Kora, a standard Shuttle, a cargo shuttle and the captains 'escape' shuttle. the oldest rendered model is the original 22nd century shuttle, aside from the same nod to Crustacean inspiration and the pronged front facing, it looks nothing like the D'Kora. would that then mean the D'Kora was wrong? of course not. also worth noting that the D'Kora and the Nandi are different classes of ship.
Sorry for the snips.
Your right the Nandi is clearly based off of the D'kora. Which is what we understand as Ferengi design. Everyone that loves Ferengi design thinks this is backwards. People that are indifferent think its backwards. Frankly from seeing convos in game and here... The people that think it is proper are the minority. Its backwards. You can like that its backwards, still its backwards.
Your right of course ships based on Canon design, don't have to follow everything to the letter. However they have to follow the design ques or they look wrong.
Which is why I mentioned some of Cryptics other riffs. The Phantom/Eclipse... pretty much all the newer Rom/KDF/Fed ships are not canon. However Cryptic stays true as they should to the design ques of those species ships. What I have said holds true. If the eclipse was exactly the same as it is now, and just traveled in the opposite dirrection. Perhaps that would be cool looking to someone, still it would be backwards compared to the canon fed ships. They wouldn't take a D'deridex, update the looks and then turn it around. As they wouldn't take a Bird of Prey and make the neck stick out the back.
I'm glad you like the nandi, your the one. Congrats.
i'm going to make a calculated guess here, and suggest that most (maybe even all) of the folk saying it looks backwards don't pilot a D'Kora? as a D'Kora captain you are used to seeing the very flat geometric angles up front, with its triangular protrusions, and the wingtip weapon points that look like mini claws, and the very rounded rear section that sits up higher than the front of the ship, housing the retractable torpedo launcher. all those elements still remain exactly the same, it just has a swept back side sections now.
We D'Kora owners are in the minority.
I own 6 D'koras. Nandi just looks wrong.
The only proper que that says it should travel the direction they choose is where they put the ports on the "back".
Really reskin the model put that in the back, increase the height on what is currently the front... and reduce the height of what is currently the back. Then flip it the proper way, and it would be a well done riff on the D'kora.
Sorry its backwards, yes they have gotten the visual ferengi ques right. Not denying that. Someone clearly just skinned this backwards and played with some height perspectives... and oriented it backwards to be edgy. It was a terrible choice. The design was good until they tried to be unique and hip or something. Its bad, its my opinion no doubt. I think most people agree with me though.
http://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/38fxa4/now_i_know_where_the_ferengi_got_the_plans_for/crus5ux
Actually there is far more than that. Frankly if the ports on the back are all you can see for design cues for its direction then you either have not looked at the ship or there is something wrong with your vision... the overall design aesthetic as it relates to other Ferengi vessels has it traveling the way they have it traveling. It has the front "horns" of a typical ferengi bow, and a rounded aft section typical of ferengi main rear sections...... the only thing that really differs is that it has nacellles housings on wings that sweep back mounted to the bow, rather than being completely integral in the aft as in the D'Kora.
you and some people think it looks backwards, me and some others dont. its clearly a subjective issue. having spoke to some players who own it, they can confirm it does actually fly forwards, not backwards. most of the comments about this ship have been very 'off the cuff' humorous little remarks, a few have gone into a little more detail, but still we form a very tiny minority.
i've had chats with quite a few players in Risa about the Nandi, its pretty cool we can fly out to get a good look at it. the only negative comment i have heard is 'not really sure about that colour dude'. in your opinion, you seem to be suggesting some kind of indifference in the design room.. yeah just bash it out.. or that they are unprofessional and just want to try something flash to impress the boss? have you even taken the time to find out who it is you are directing your condescension and arrogance towards?
so maybe its just my opinion, but i think others will agree, you really do have a very high opinion of yourself and are just rude and disrespectful. i have a lot of respect for the art team, they are hard working, extremely professional, and would never show the same discourtesy to you as you are showing to them. from a subjective point of view, there will always be things you like and things you don't, but, it is wrong for a person to judge the artist, on a subjective opinion about their work.. any decent person knows this.
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Yarr, aside from the direct D'Kora model, and its various incarnations and renderings, the only other vessel with any real detail is..
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/drex/ferengi-early-views.jpg
pretty cool ship, i like how everything is tucked away underneath, once that thing is on the ground it is pretty well protected, i wonder if this is the original ship that was inspired by the horseshoe crab? going off of the D'Kora, you wouldn't really recognise this was a Ferengi ship straight off the bat, once you know it is though, that front end pops right out at you lol.
As for the so-called "obviously backwards, booo!", check the side render of the ship:
http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/arc/8d/74/8d7472ee0a7936067c8057ad6b8f49f91433355541.png
Now, the D'Kora side:
http://infothread.org/Science%20Fiction%20and%20Comics/Star%20Trek%20Universe/LCARS%20FA%20D%27Kora%20Class%20Marauder.jpg
As you can see, it offers a different kind of similarity in design, where it is the side that matters.
[Matrix philosophy mode]
It's symbolic. It shows how efficient Ferengi get around a problem to keep the upper hand, how they fool gullible people into thinking they're dealing with a D'Kora, while in fact, they're dealing with a more powerful Nandi.
Besides, Nandi is an anagram of Dinna, which is also symbolic at how Ferengi can look weak, like a dinner or a "dinna, bro" to eat if you will, but they can, as the old book says "ruin your motherfreaking day" by turning things against you.
When you see the Nandi, the Dinna, it's not it that is the little treat to eat with ease, but a reflection of your potential situation, it's not the dinna, you are the dinna and everything to the sides of the ship is a potential dinna. When one looks deep into the Nandi, the reflection makes them become the Dinna.
Stop trying to interpret the Nandi as backwards, when in fact, the truth is it makes everything on its sides reflect their own backward-ism.
If you understood the purpose of the choice of these paragraphs, congratulations, because I definitely didn't even try to.
[/Matrix philosophy mode]
wow dude that amazeballs.. that is exactly similar to a dream i may have had last night.. its like the mist has risen and the veil dropped, my eyes couldn't feel what my heart couldn't see, but now, i think i remember it just how it might have been.. i am swimming through a sea of lazy caramel (you know the stuff with the little bits of soft nugget in, and perfect little hazelnuts) and the Nandi, she is, oh yeah in this dream the Nandi is like this 6 armed goddes with soft skin the colour of gold and wearing this really rocking Rich Corinthian leather outfit... wow she had 6 arms, and i only have 2 lobes w00t... anyway Nandi is waiting at the other side of this caramel ocean, stood next to this massive milk chocolate fountain with a dry towel and a smile
don't you think the similarity between your Nandi philosophy and my dream are so crazily similar? how saurial is that?
Well your argument falls apart right there. I love Ferengi designs, especially the D'Kora, and I don't think the Nandi is flying backwards.
I can clearly see where the D'Kora design cues flow through the Nandi, especially running down the middle of the hull from the pronged head, through the neck to the built up curved aft section.
The only major difference I can see is the designer moved the "wings" from the aft section to the front and swept them backwards.
As for the design of the ship itself, that's a matter of personal taste. For me, I'm not totally convinced by the looks of the ship, but I respect the ship artists enough to acknowledge that they tried to come up with something that was familiar yet, at the same time, different.
^^QFT^^
This is exactly how I feel. This ship itself is not backwards. IMHO only the "wings" are. My Ferengi will use this as his primary ship for sure.
A piece of advice: Never confuse your opinion with "the majority" or even "everybody". This doesn't end well
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The ship just doesn't feel very fun for the Summer Event...the courvette and the cruiser are camp and that's great, but maybe Cryptic could have thought a little more out of the box.
The Botany Bay, the Raven, the leper's ship, etc...or a really amazing universal console, or a free holoemitter that can project a huge varied collection of ships.
OR, for once, giving us a ground reward...remember in Voyager when Janeway used the Nelix resort hologrammes to distraction the macroviruses? What about a Risian beach party that can beam in like a security escort, completely passive, but used as a distraction against enemies!
Well, yes and no.
A number of Star Trek ships are "based off an animal but backwards".
For example, the Klingon D7's and successor designs (K'tinga, Vor'Cha, et cetra), are all based off of manta rays, but flying tail-end's first.
My personal two cents on the Nanid? It's definitely a Ferengi ship. And while the D'Kora seems to be the general catch-all Ferengi design, built to do a little of everything, the Nandi has a specific design: it's a warship. As such, it has a much more aggressive design, as opposed to the passive-aggressiveness of the D'Kora.
Right cause the D'kora would look right flying the other way around.
What is silly is basing alien ships on Lifeforms found on EARTH.
Cool to get the inspiration from that as a designer. However clearly TNG guys took the inspiration and flipped it backwards on purpose.
SO the nandi and Cryptic has it wrong.
Yeah, incredibly silly to base anything on the ONLY things humans know. I really wonder why we'd do such a thing.
Because some of us lack imagination I guess.
The real issue isn't basing things on earth based life.
The issue is the people involved in the show, took there ques from things we know all the time. In the case of star ships all the examples you can find that are based on life forms are turned around backwards on purpose. (ok perhaps not... the space jelly from far point didn't need to be lol) So in that regard Cryptic got it wrong.
they already did
don't you recall the samsar & astika? flying space-TRIBBLE, we all had a good laugh about them when they came out. those might have better shapes for t6 carriers, like an aircraft carrier motif. but whatever. I'm sure it's difficult to come up with unique ideas.
yeah, the nandi looks a little odd. I can see the designers are bored. but you know, it has to look like a ship, and not just like a bunch of shapes put together that look genuinely interesting. it is nice looking. the problem comes when it moves. it's jarring.