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Whats with Backwards mode.

bobs1111bobs1111 Member Posts: 471 Arc User
edited June 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Who's Bright idea was it to make make the event ship go backwards ?

Its ugly and stupid... and not cool as someone must have thought it would be.

Oh look its counter intuitive it goes this way.

Its terrible.

Was it the same dev that flipped the beathan cruiser the wrong way ? lol
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    drakethewhitedrakethewhite Member Posts: 1,240 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I heard that the decidion on the beathan cruiser was to ignore what appeared on screen and go with what the designer intended from off screen.

    Which strikes me as... wrong unless you had on-screen conflicts. I always thought canon was first what appeared on screen. "If there's not a screen-shot, it never happened".

    But maybe that's just old school canon, or maybe it's just not Cryptic's canon. They've made many an odd decision IMO.


    And yes, I think the new ship is flying in the wrong direction too. They won't change it.
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    yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    drakethewhite wrote: »
    I heard that the decidion on the beathan cruiser was to ignore what appeared on screen and go with what the designer intended from off screen.

    Which strikes me as... wrong unless you had on-screen conflicts. I always thought canon was first what appeared on screen. "If there's not a screen-shot, it never happened".
    Since when do Cryptics devs care about canon? lol.

    About the new ferengi ship, my opinion is a bit divided.
    On one hand i think as a Ferengi ship it should have the "bow" in the rear section, like the marauder class ship.
    On the other hand having the model flying backwards looks interesting too, but it's just not like a ferengi ship.

    I just hope that there are other hull materials availlable for it, preferably a white and a green one (for each big faction). So there wouldn't be a big visual connection to ferengi at all. It would be more like a neutral (design) Science Destroyer for every faction. Similar like the Risian Corvette and Luxury Liner.
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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    bobs1111 wrote: »
    Who's Bright idea was it to make make the event ship go backwards ?

    Its ugly and stupid... and not cool as someone must have thought it would be.

    Oh look its counter intuitive it goes this way.

    Its terrible.

    Was it the same dev that flipped the beathan cruiser the wrong way ? lol


    Trendy tweeted them as 'space lobsters' (or, at least, I think she was referring to the new FE ship, LOL). But the point being: they're clearly properly faced forward. And just because the D'Kora had those 2 pointy thorns in the front, doesn't mean the Nandi is flying backwards.
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    bobs1111bobs1111 Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Trendy tweeted them as 'space lobsters' (or, at least, I think she was referring to the new FE ship, LOL). But the point being: they're clearly properly faced forward. And just because the D'Kora had those 2 pointy thorns in the front, doesn't mean the Nandi is flying backwards.

    Of Course its backwards... I think there just bored. It looks plain stupid.

    As a Ferengi I will be selling all my shares of Quark Industries. Although this blunder may increase the value of disk of vacuum desiccated Quark... I'll have to increase my futures on that.

    Seriously though its stupid.... I know its a game. Still its ugly and thy just did it to try and be edgy. Its annoying.
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    The Nandi doesn't fly backwards. It flies the exact same way as the D'Kora's design suggests (the round part is aft). It's not a canon ship, so it can't fly "backwards".

    If one doesn't like the visual design that's one thing. But please stop this "backwards" nonsense. It really starts to get on my nerves - and I don't even care XD
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    bobs1111bobs1111 Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The Nandi doesn't fly backwards. It flies the exact same way as the D'Kora's design suggests (the round part is aft). It's not a canon ship, so it can't fly "backwards".

    If one doesn't like the visual design that's one thing. But please stop this "backwards" nonsense. It really starts to get on my nerves - and I don't even care XD

    Oh come on you know what I typed is true.

    Had Cryptic decided to take the Phantom Escort and Turn it around the other way... Making a backwards flying rift on the defiant model. People would be birthing Cows, and the Cows would jump over the moon and marry candle sticks, and the wedding cakes would be bought in Indiana.
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    scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    The ship itself is not backwards, just the wings.... :P

    This ship really proves that you can't please everybody. So many people complain when a new ship comes out that "it is just a rehash of an older design." "I am tired of the same old design, so predictable." Here they push the envelope a little on a ship designed by a race that has had all of 3 ships total shown across 5 series and people complain. Sometimes I wonder If all of the devs are raging alcoholics having to deal with this bunch.
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    bobs1111 wrote: »
    Oh come on you know what I typed is true. (...)

    If so, I wouldn't have replied teh way I have :D

    It's an alien space ship. I like the different approach. Not backwards.
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,318 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I will admit i have participated in the backwards pun, but isn't the orientation a clever Ferengi defence mechanism?

    Who expects a Ferengi to fly towards a battle? Opponents get disoriented and the Ferengi can escape.
    Just because the crews will now not be Ferengi this ingenious design should be given credit.
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    lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Have a look at the orientation of the D'Kora. And now look at the orientation of the Nandi. The Nandi indeed is oriented backwards.
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    qziqzaqziqza Member Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    i love it.. as is! to say it doesnt look ferengi is to be blind or foolish, or blind and foolish, or foolish and untravelled. just because you cant see a thing does not mean the thing is not there to be seen.

    1. angular, flat surfaced, front end, at the front (and pointing forward)

    check

    2. curved and rounded rear section, curved, rounded and at the rear, (with a higher profile than 1. above)

    check

    3. trade marked deploy-able forward facing 'claw looking' weapon points x2, deploy-able, forward facing, looking like claws, and able to fire weapons x2. (either side of 1. separated by a distance > 1.)

    check

    4. expensive looking custom trimming in all natural real imitation materials including latinum, and no expense spared on the best imitation leather that can be bargained for?

    check

    ..forwards, backwards, sidewards, up and down.. side to side, up, down, side to side.. backwards, forwards, faster, slower, faster, more faster.. stop!

    its still a ferengi ship.. i've ordered more than 9, but less than 11.. Viva la Quark
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    staticharge5347staticharge5347 Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Looks legit to me.

    Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering, if it doesn't please you, why even bother with it? There are much better ships that are attainable. Just because it's free doesn't mean you absolutely "must have it or the universe will implode". Did you sign some kind of contract binding you to acquire this particular ship? Did the Ferengi threaten you with your life, and the lives of your entire family if you didn't?
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    boneshroudboneshroud Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    lindaleff wrote: »
    Have a look at the orientation of the D'Kora. And now look at the orientation of the Nandi. The Nandi indeed is oriented backwards.

    I' m just going to take a shot in the dark here: activating battle mode (from the d'kora console) will "reverse" the Nandi, similar to how that nauscian ship (the grumbada or whatever it's called) changes when in its special assault mode.

    Only reason I can come up with for it being designed this way.
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    eighrichteeighrichte Member Posts: 338 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    lindaleff wrote: »
    Have a look at the orientation of the D'Kora. And now look at the orientation of the Nandi. The Nandi indeed is oriented backwards.

    Don't focus on the wings. Focus on the twin-pointed bow and the rounded stern with the characteristic slotted Ferengi engine glow -- both design elements clearly shared with the D'kora.

    I like it. It won't replace my D'kora, because c'mon, it's a D'kora. But I think it's an interesting take on what qualities are essential to Ferengi ship design.
    boneshroud wrote: »
    I' m just going to take a shot in the dark here: activating battle mode (from the d'kora console) will "reverse" the Nandi, similar to how that nauscian ship (the grumbada or whatever it's called) changes when in its special assault mode.

    The Nandi parked in the bay is displaying the battle mode transformation (note the top missile pod has been deployed).
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    adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Actually I think it's the right way around, provided it can use dual cannons as the front of the ship suggests, otherwise I think it's just going to be another one like the Galaxy that can't fly the way the design says it should.
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    quintarisquintaris Member Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    The Nandi's look is based on a trilobite (as the D'Kora was based on a horseshoe crab).

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Trilobite_Ordovicien_8127.jpg

    Is the trilobite moving backwards?
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I am not sure it's wise to troll the ship designers like that. They might TRIBBLE with your ship tailor the next time you play... :D
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    lebtronlebtron Member Posts: 296 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    quintaris wrote: »
    The Nandi's look is based on a trilobite (as the D'Kora was based on a horseshoe crab).

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Trilobite_Ordovicien_8127.jpg

    Is the trilobite moving backwards?

    I am convinced now, pics from the D'kora absolutly prove that trilobites are moving in the wrong direction. We should write an article to Darwin, the inventor of evolution, that he clearly made a mistake.
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    norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    .... Someone designed and built a new ship, and the driver claims it is backwards. This is simply human expectations and bias ... in space, any shape is fine, there are no aerodynamics or other reasons to build a ship that looks like an airplane or a boat or a car. It can be shaped like a T with the cross the front or a T with the cross the aft, it does not matter at all.

    Most of the 'canon' ships were designed by third graders. The bridges are exposed to fire rather than buried deep in the ship under armor etc, because... starships use windows instead of cameras to look ahead? How many times we see the crew flopping around on the deck like fish from a single torpedo or something?

    Practical design for warfare would frown on all these exposed bridges and thin connective points and wings and all. The borg have it down... a good sphere is the way to go, covered in layers of armor and weapons, with no obvious weak spots. And, given the solid-holo technology, It would be possible to just have an armored core that projected the ship, change the ship design on demand as needed...
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    admrenlarreckadmrenlarreck Member Posts: 2,041 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The Nandi doesn't fly backwards. It flies the exact same way as the D'Kora's design suggests (the round part is aft). It's not a canon ship, so it can't fly "backwards".

    If one doesn't like the visual design that's one thing. But please stop this "backwards" nonsense. It really starts to get on my nerves - and I don't even care XD


    This one thousand times this.

    The ship comparison shows that the Nandi does fly forwards.

    http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w299/fishkeeperjim/Star%20Trek%20Online/dkoranandi_zpsl5kk6vpc.jpg

    So If the Nandi flys backwards then the D'kora does as well
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    lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Lol, it does look like it's flying backwards.
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    quintarisquintaris Member Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    noroblad wrote: »
    .... Someone designed and built a new ship, and the driver claims it is backwards. This is simply human expectations and bias ... in space, any shape is fine, there are no aerodynamics or other reasons to build a ship that looks like an airplane or a boat or a car. It can be shaped like a T with the cross the front or a T with the cross the aft, it does not matter at all.

    Most of the 'canon' ships were designed by third graders. The bridges are exposed to fire rather than buried deep in the ship under armor etc, because... starships use windows instead of cameras to look ahead? How many times we see the crew flopping around on the deck like fish from a single torpedo or something?

    Practical design for warfare would frown on all these exposed bridges and thin connective points and wings and all. The borg have it down... a good sphere is the way to go, covered in layers of armor and weapons, with no obvious weak spots. And, given the solid-holo technology, It would be possible to just have an armored core that projected the ship, change the ship design on demand as needed...

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    bryanusbryanus Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Every ship isn't going to look great to everyone. If you don't like the ship, skip it. The game is full of ugly ships i.e. Pretty much every KDF ship larger than a BoP
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    tekehdtekehd Member Posts: 2,032 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    lindaleff wrote: »
    Have a look at the orientation of the D'Kora. And now look at the orientation of the Nandi. The Nandi indeed is oriented backwards.

    Not really, the bow design on both are forward, the aft design on both are aft, the only difference is the "wing" design is affixed to the bow and sweeping backwards with defined nacelles whereas on the D'Kora the "Wings" are an integral part of the aft with hidden nacelles.

    I think too many people are affixing on the "wings" on this.... what direction the wings are swept does not have a bearing on direction,.... here the bow and aft are define direction.
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    drogyn1701drogyn1701 Member Posts: 3,606 Media Corps
    edited June 2015
    admrenlarreck wrote: »
    This one thousand times this.

    The ship comparison shows that the Nandi does fly forwards.

    http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w299/fishkeeperjim/Star%20Trek%20Online/dkoranandi_zpsl5kk6vpc.jpg

    So If the Nandi flys backwards then the D'kora does as well

    There's a problem with that logic: The Nandi is NOT the D'kora. One class of ship flying a certain way does not mean that a completely different class of ship built 40 years later has to fly the same way, even if it is built by the same culture.

    There's a good argument that the Benthan ship is backward. It was seen moving the other way in canon (but who is to say they weren't going in reverse). The Nandi isn't canon, it's an original design and can fly whatever way the devs want it to.
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    eighrichteeighrichte Member Posts: 338 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    You know, the more I look at it, the more I like it. I think people get the idea that the forward-swept hull curve is essential because, well, the D'kora is awesome, and the shuttlecraft appears to emulate it. But look back at the 22nd century Ferengi ship from Enterprise; that feature isn't present at all. What it does share with the later designs is "horns" on either side of the bow, and I think it could reasonably be argued that that's the feature the shuttlecraft shares as well, rather than a hull curve.

    The older ship also shares an engine designed with part of the propulsion system on the back of the D'kora, but is missing the slotted glowies along the aft curve.

    So lore establishes that the aft propulsion design and the overall hull design are both evolving over time, with really only a general curviness being consistent. And these are the places that the artist took the greatest liberties. The propulsion section is smaller, presumably more advanced and efficient. The overall hull captures a general sense of Ferengi design aesthetic but is otherwise brand new. The bow is consistent with every design seen to date.

    Perhaps most interest to me is that, despite these major differences, the Nandi and the D'kora are extremely similar in profile.
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    buccaneerdtbbuccaneerdtb Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    So, which direction does it fly? The picture doesn't say.
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    buccaneerdtb wrote: »
    So, which direction does it fly? The picture doesn't say.

    Sideways...
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    qziqzaqziqza Member Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    quintaris wrote: »
    The Nandi's look is based on a trilobite (as the D'Kora was based on a horseshoe crab).

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Trilobite_Ordovicien_8127.jpg

    Is the trilobite moving backwards?

    not sure, cant see any warp trails.. :D

    they were amazing.. i wonder if they are in any way a distant ancestor to our friendly neighborhood Undine?
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    hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The Nandi doesn't fly backwards. It flies the exact same way as the D'Kora's design suggests (the round part is aft). It's not a canon ship, so it can't fly "backwards".

    This! Seriously!

    My head is just shaking in disbelief. :confused:
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