7. The quadrants may only be how the federation divides the galaxy. The Klingons, Romulans and Dominion may have their own conventions, but it's easier to speak is terms everyone understands.
Quite likely. We do know the Borg have their own weird way of dividing the galaxy.
Just wondering... wouldn't it be possible to have a Sol System in both the Alpha and Beta Quadrants if it's supposed to be right on the border of each? And maybe an option of which quadrant you want to go to when warping out, or something similar?
Yes, possible, and was discussed at several points in development, but dismissed as confusing and awkward.
The warping out thing is tech we don't have (tech to offer an option of where to go).
Bottom line, there is simply no single, elegant solution to reconcile all of this. There is 50 years of canon which all contradicts itself, and without being able to merge the alpha and beta quadrant maps (which we can't because math), we can't put sol on the border.
I have explained this countless times. My stance has not changed. Argue all you want, I don't feel that adding a SECOND sol to the Alpha quadrant would make anything better.
I was thinking something similiar, like putting Sol on the edge of the Alpha quadrant and implementing a "warp to" location in the beta quadrant, so you effectively have it in both quadrants. Again, just musing, not demanding or anything, finished assets in STO rarely change
Then you should read again. You misunderstood the OP entirely, there's not a single word about "the destruction of everything". He/She states that he/she is disappointed because having Sol in the Beta Quadrant feels unintuitive and goes against established canon. And while I disagree with the notion that everything needs to be in the Alpha Quadrant, as Okuda et al.'s maps clearly show, I am with him in the question wether or not Sol is located in the Alpha or Beta quadrant - it's on the edge, but has always been referred to as "Alpha". This doesn't break anything, but it feels odd to some people, that is all.
Don't mmedeatly reject a fellow player that has some kind of concern as a "doomsayer", please.
People need to stop being so literal is what Im taking away from this.
Ill give you an example of people claiming to be from one area when in reality are geographically are from another.
I was born and raised in Southern New Jersey. Well below the Mason-Dixon Line that establishes the North from the South. But when ever I spoke or others spoke of where New Jersey was in relation to the North or South. There was no mistaken when we spoke of being a Northern State. We were speaking of the state in general and the majority of its territory being North of the Mason-Dixon Line and hence, regardless of it straddling the Line. Was not a Southern State. If people felt the need to be so literal. Those of us born and raised below that line would of spoke differently of it. But we didnt, we all accepted that the majority of New Jersey was in the North and, regardless of where we were geographically, accepted that as it was.
The majority of the Federation, sits in the Alpha Quadrant. While Earth straddles the line between the two. Only a small portion of the Federation sits in the Beta Quadrant. So is it really that hard to believe that when Characters speak of going home to the Alpha Quadrant. Theyre speaking in a general sense. That the Federation itself, mostly sitting in the Alpha Quadrant, is a Alpha Power. This doesnt take away from the fact that the Earth is still going to sit on the Alpha-Beta Line and planets belonging to the Federation is going to be well into the Beta Quadrant.
Last time I was in New Jersey it smelled like the outskirts had these rolling fields of diapers and porta potties. My daughter still talks about it 10 years later.
That is all I have to add about not having earth in the delta quadrant
BTW, Taco, an extremely simple solution to satisfy all parties (or at least make complaints look sillier ) would be to alter the Sol System description you see when you fly up to the system thus: "Located directly on the Prime Meridian between the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, the Sol System [old description blah blah blah ]."
Any further complaints could therefore be directed to "Read the system notes." This, I think, is by far the most minimally invasive resolution possible.
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I have been a Star Trek fan for years. I have never had a hard time accepting that things will occasionally contradict what I have seen or heard before (Picard is the first starfleet captain to face the ferengi yet Archer has a bunch of them try to loot his ship; Q sends the big D to meet the 'borg for the first time yet no-one remembers Archer's encounter with cybernetic oragnisms trying to assimilate his ship and doctor; most of Enterprise, actually ).
I can honestly say this particular "issue" has never been an issue for me. Sol's location, not gonna put a dent in my enjoymeny of the game.
Plus, using Voyager crew stating Alpha Quadrant was home as a reason for Sol being located there... not all the crew were from Sol. Vulcans, Bajorans, people from the demilitarized zone near Cardassian space and any other race not listed here (Bolian, just remembered Chel) would not be referring to Sol but their own slice of home.
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It's seems with Season 10 they've replaced the STO "Where's Sulu" meme with "Where's SOL".:eek::D;) (Well played.)
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Last time I was in New Jersey it smelled like the outskirts had these rolling fields of diapers and porta potties. My daughter still talks about it 10 years later.
That is all I have to add about not having earth in the delta quadrant
Lol....the worst part of my 23 year military career was being stationed in New Jersey as a recruiter. If the world needed an TRIBBLE they'd have to stick it in New Jersey.
Names are just abstract manipulations made up by the human mind. IMO dont care if you call it Quadrant 1, X or A for all it matters. I'm sure that the real aliens in outer space could care less for nomenclature since they might have their made up names anyways...and space is as big as you think it is without BOUNDS. Taco explained well in advanced his reasoning...been here since beta and never had an issue on that level. There are more critical items that DEVs should attend to.
For what it's worth, I agree with the OP. All the original Federation members belong in the Alpha Quadrant, as does the Romulans and the Klingons.
TOS didn't use the term Quadrant to mean 1/4 of the Galaxy at all. It was in fact but a quarter of a Sector, and Sector wasn't defined at all. And for myself, TOS definitions are the only valid definitions.
If however one does decide to define quadrants of the Galaxy as 1/4 thereof, it makes no sense for the ones defining it (i.e. the Federation in this case) to split their area of space between two of them. The definition is by nature not one of physical characteristics as much as it is of convenience- the boarders could be stated to be anywhere for the Galaxy doesn't come with lines drawn on it.
As it result, few would decide to run one of those boards right through the member worlds who defined them in the first place. It would be far more nature to define alpha Quadrant with Earth and the founding worlds at the center.
Now does this matter in STO?
Not to me, this game is a light star trek skin on a stock MMO at best. It's so screwed up as a simulation that this foolishness doesn't even stand out.
Yes, possible, and was discussed at several points in development, but dismissed as confusing and awkward.
The warping out thing is tech we don't have (tech to offer an option of where to go).
Bottom line, there is simply no single, elegant solution to reconcile all of this. There is 50 years of canon which all contradicts itself, and without being able to merge the alpha and beta quadrant maps (which we can't because math), we can't put sol on the border.
I have explained this countless times. My stance has not changed. Argue all you want, I don't feel that adding a SECOND sol to the Alpha quadrant would make anything better.
MATH! :mad:
:: shakes fist at nothing ::
My old nemesis. I should have known YOU were behind this.
Hmm, I have come up with a way to explain how the Quadrant line could run through Earth after all...
If the Quadrant wasn't defined for the Galaxy, but instead defined for the Spiral Arm (in this specific case the Orion-Cygnus Arm you could *almost* define split in four parts with Earth in the middle of Alpha and Beta and Gamma and Delta between the outside quarter...
...almost. Depends on where you want to say the 'Center' is, i.e. the root of the arm.
BTW, Taco, an extremely simple solution to satisfy all parties (or at least make complaints look sillier ) would be to alter the Sol System description you see when you fly up to the system thus: "Located directly on the Prime Meridian between the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, the Sol System [old description blah blah blah ]."
Any further complaints could therefore be directed to "Read the system notes." This, I think, is by far the most minimally invasive resolution possible.
Or just ignore it as a completely stupid complaint?
If people really need such an inane reference to make them 'feel better' about the situation, they need to revisit what they hold dear in their life.
How about a message stating "For anal retentive people, there is a slight discrepancy with the location of the sol system. In addition to this, Earth is now more than 1 light year away from the sun. We hope this does not cause you to spontaneously combust out of outrage, but hey, its ALL MADE UP ANYWAY."
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Yes, but we all know that the way Earth does it is the right way.
Game catches wind for countering the show's laziness sometimes
Yes, possible, and was discussed at several points in development, but dismissed as confusing and awkward.
The warping out thing is tech we don't have (tech to offer an option of where to go).
Bottom line, there is simply no single, elegant solution to reconcile all of this. There is 50 years of canon which all contradicts itself, and without being able to merge the alpha and beta quadrant maps (which we can't because math), we can't put sol on the border.
I have explained this countless times. My stance has not changed. Argue all you want, I don't feel that adding a SECOND sol to the Alpha quadrant would make anything better.
People need to stop being so literal is what Im taking away from this.
Ill give you an example of people claiming to be from one area when in reality are geographically are from another.
I was born and raised in Southern New Jersey. Well below the Mason-Dixon Line that establishes the North from the South. But when ever I spoke or others spoke of where New Jersey was in relation to the North or South. There was no mistaken when we spoke of being a Northern State. We were speaking of the state in general and the majority of its territory being North of the Mason-Dixon Line and hence, regardless of it straddling the Line. Was not a Southern State. If people felt the need to be so literal. Those of us born and raised below that line would of spoke differently of it. But we didnt, we all accepted that the majority of New Jersey was in the North and, regardless of where we were geographically, accepted that as it was.
The majority of the Federation, sits in the Alpha Quadrant. While Earth straddles the line between the two. Only a small portion of the Federation sits in the Beta Quadrant. So is it really that hard to believe that when Characters speak of going home to the Alpha Quadrant. Theyre speaking in a general sense. That the Federation itself, mostly sitting in the Alpha Quadrant, is a Alpha Power. This doesnt take away from the fact that the Earth is still going to sit on the Alpha-Beta Line and planets belonging to the Federation is going to be well into the Beta Quadrant.
That is all I have to add about not having earth in the delta quadrant
Oh wow.
BTW, Taco, an extremely simple solution to satisfy all parties (or at least make complaints look sillier
Any further complaints could therefore be directed to "Read the system notes." This, I think, is by far the most minimally invasive resolution possible.
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I can honestly say this particular "issue" has never been an issue for me. Sol's location, not gonna put a dent in my enjoymeny of the game.
Plus, using Voyager crew stating Alpha Quadrant was home as a reason for Sol being located there... not all the crew were from Sol. Vulcans, Bajorans, people from the demilitarized zone near Cardassian space and any other race not listed here (Bolian, just remembered Chel) would not be referring to Sol but their own slice of home.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Lol....the worst part of my 23 year military career was being stationed in New Jersey as a recruiter. If the world needed an TRIBBLE they'd have to stick it in New Jersey.
Names are just abstract manipulations made up by the human mind. IMO dont care if you call it Quadrant 1, X or A for all it matters. I'm sure that the real aliens in outer space could care less for nomenclature since they might have their made up names anyways...and space is as big as you think it is without BOUNDS. Taco explained well in advanced his reasoning...been here since beta and never had an issue on that level. There are more critical items that DEVs should attend to.
Yes. I always summer in the Beta Quadrant. How about you?
TOS didn't use the term Quadrant to mean 1/4 of the Galaxy at all. It was in fact but a quarter of a Sector, and Sector wasn't defined at all. And for myself, TOS definitions are the only valid definitions.
If however one does decide to define quadrants of the Galaxy as 1/4 thereof, it makes no sense for the ones defining it (i.e. the Federation in this case) to split their area of space between two of them. The definition is by nature not one of physical characteristics as much as it is of convenience- the boarders could be stated to be anywhere for the Galaxy doesn't come with lines drawn on it.
As it result, few would decide to run one of those boards right through the member worlds who defined them in the first place. It would be far more nature to define alpha Quadrant with Earth and the founding worlds at the center.
Now does this matter in STO?
Not to me, this game is a light star trek skin on a stock MMO at best. It's so screwed up as a simulation that this foolishness doesn't even stand out.
My memory goes back further it seems. To me, Quadrants don't even exist in such terms.
MATH! :mad:
:: shakes fist at nothing ::
My old nemesis. I should have known YOU were behind this.
Math ruins EVERYTHING!!! GRRRR!
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If the Quadrant wasn't defined for the Galaxy, but instead defined for the Spiral Arm (in this specific case the Orion-Cygnus Arm you could *almost* define split in four parts with Earth in the middle of Alpha and Beta and Gamma and Delta between the outside quarter...
...almost. Depends on where you want to say the 'Center' is, i.e. the root of the arm.
Or just ignore it as a completely stupid complaint?
If people really need such an inane reference to make them 'feel better' about the situation, they need to revisit what they hold dear in their life.
How about a message stating "For anal retentive people, there is a slight discrepancy with the location of the sol system. In addition to this, Earth is now more than 1 light year away from the sun. We hope this does not cause you to spontaneously combust out of outrage, but hey, its ALL MADE UP ANYWAY."
I like the sound of that.
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