I didn't take anything personally, I was just expressing my exasperation at the doom surrounding the Recruitment Event.
Everyone has their own reasons for how they feel and, while I personally an excited, I'm also nervous, and here's why.
The first MMO I ever played was very unique, in fact I've never seen anything else like it. There were a few hiccups, but in general the players were happy, and the third expansion had just been released. Then out of the blue, about two weeks after said expansion, there was a surprise announcement that went something like this:
"Hello players! Just wanted to let you know that within just a couple days (or was it the very next day?), we will be removing our unique, entertaining, sand box style profession system and replacing it with a generic, linear progression class system! Oh and that super rare profession you had to grind months and months for? That's going to be available to everyone right out of the gate! Isn't this exciting?"
-crickets-
"Wait, where did all the players go?"
For those that don't know, that was Star Wars Galaxies and it's super secretive New Game Experience patch ... so yeah, MMO development secrets scare me nowadays
If having a Delta Recruit is going to be a fun and enjoyable experience, then I will make one. And then I will go and have fun with it. Because I play this game for fun. It has been a very long time since I played any of the missions. It should be entertaining to revisit them. I fully intend to maximize the enjoyment factor of the Delta Recruit.
Does this mean my other five chars, on whom I have lavished so much time and money and attention, are suddenly less valuable or less powerful? Only if I wish it to be so. Only if I listen to the naysayers and people who are viewing the Delta Recruitment chars in the most negative light possible.
What I find most amusing about all this negativity displayed in the forums? The louder they shriek and bleat about Delta Recruitment here, in from of an audience composed of all too willing sycophants, the more likely it is they'll be first in line to roll a Delta Recruit. They'll deny it, because they have to in order maintain the disdainful hipster image they've worked so hard to create for their tens of adoring fans of course. However, watch carefully in the weeks to come.
The same names you see here indignantly disparaging the Delta Recruits will also be found on Tribble testing Delta Recruits for all they're worth. The Bug Reports threads will be flooded by them. I'd bet a week's pay on this.
Tacofangs, you keep doin' what you're doin'. And if saying this makes me a white knight or A cryptic defender or any of the other names the hipsters call me, all I can say is -
At least I am honest about it. :P
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
If a player values the bonuses that come with a Delta Recruit more than all the time and effort the player already invested in a main toon, then that is the player's choice and no one else's. It's been said already but it bears saying again: No one can make your main toon obsolete except YOU! No one can make your main toon obsolete except YOU! (Sorry for repeating myself, but it'll help you remember .)
For example, even if my Delta Recruit continues to get the dilithium-for-kills bonus after the recruitment event, he will still just be a dilithium farmer to me and he won't supplant my main toon for gameplay or roleplay reasons at all.
All these cries of new Delta Recruits making older characters obsolete are nothing but thinly veiled demands to have the Delta Recruit bonuses extended to all characters on an account.
Go back to school and learn there is nothing good about killing VET toons.
Unless you dont like the game; because people will walk away if they ruin their investment.
I'm looking forward to this event. I regularly play multiple characters and love account wide rewards. This event caters perfectly to my style of play style.
Go back to school and learn there is nothing good about killing VET toons.
Unless you dont like the game; because people will walk away if they ruin their investment.
It's not killing VET Toons
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
If a player values the bonuses that come with a Delta Recruit more than all the time and effort the player already invested in a main toon, then that is the player's choice and no one else's. It's been said already but it bears saying again: No one can make your main toon obsolete except YOU! No one can make your main toon obsolete except YOU! (Sorry for repeating myself, but it'll help you remember .)
For example, even if my Delta Recruit continues to get the dilithium-for-kills bonus after the recruitment event, he will still just be a dilithium farmer to me and he won't supplant my main toon for gameplay or roleplay reasons at all.
All these cries of new Delta Recruits making older characters obsolete are nothing but thinly veiled demands to have the Delta Recruit bonuses extended to all characters on an account.
Recruits are not going to continue getting dilithium after the event. They mentioned that in the first new article on them.
There is one thing that will never go away, players who love to go the extreme negative. one, for one, will resurrect an old character, a Bajoran Male TAC, for this event. There are events that STO runs, that I detest and bored to tears with, and then there are others, I don't suffer the event fatigue. I am looking forward to this event.
Then don't spend any money on the new toon. Just level the toon for the rewards during the event, and play it as a casual alt afterwards. Or play it as another main. Either way, spending real money is your choice - no one's demanding you spend real money on these new toons.
And I didn't say anyone is making me; just that I won't. Can't, really, even if I wanted to: it's just too cost prohibitive for me. I will train one up, and enjoy the new content, but I just can't be spending that kind of cash on a new toon any more.
I can see exactly why he takes it personally. Scroll through a couple of the other recent threads, and you'll see a lot of other players calling for dev firings and management firings, claiming that Cryptic is somehow incompetent, etc. It's be hard to not take that personally.
Haven't read it all, I must admit. But I know Tactofangs is basically always caught between a rock and a hard place. Which is sad, as he's not responsible for any decisions at Cryptic people may deem bad: he just makes pretty designs. Which, by all means, I hope he keeps doing.
Nothing is being threatened. Everything you bought on your main will still be there. There will be no transporter accident and your main is gone. They will still be there. There are no T5 or T6 characters.
They will not be a superior character...no more than my Andorian Tac will be superior to my Human Tac.
Seriously it's almost like you are looking for minor things to be upset about. You don't even know what bonus the DR will get and you are already assuming it's going to be superior to your main character. It's whining for the same of whining.
The Delta toon will grant bonuses to your main.The Delta toon will grant bonuses to your main.The Delta toon will grant bonuses to your main.The Delta toon will grant bonuses to your main. The Delta toon will grant bonuses to your main.
lol you sound JUST LIKE the guys saying T5 ships weren't getting deleted and could still run the same content and therefore were not being devalued in any way
lol you sound JUST LIKE the guys saying T5 ships weren't getting deleted and could still run the same content and therefore were not being devalued in any way
were T5 ships deleted?
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Recruits are not going to continue getting dilithium after the event. They mentioned that in the first new article on them.
The talk of the town is they will get to keep some super uber trait.
I hope they just get some bonus DIL and XP, because it will be the death of STO if they do.
lol you sound JUST LIKE the guys saying T5 ships weren't getting deleted and could still run the same content and therefore were not being devalued in any way
Tbh at first i hated the idea and thought that my old toons would go the same way as my ships T5U and all.
(Lost count of how many times I've said this now...)
If you can't run a T5 ship at the end-game anymore, that's all on the player. T5 ships are still some of the best ships in the game.
What's a T6 ship? Main differences are:
- starship trait (which is captain-specific, so benefits all ships)
- 1 extra boff ability, which is a nice thing but not totally OP. And it's mainly there for the spec abilities anyways
- access to the fun new specialization stuff, none of which is game-breaking OP
A T5-U ship gets all the main benefits - hull and shield boosts, an extra console slot, and the 4 ship-specific mastery boosts.
T5 ships were never made obsolete. And T6 ships aren't instant-win boats. If you can't run your old T5 ships at the new end-game, then you as a player at the keyboard need to up your skills, because a T6 ship will benefit you in no way.
Go back to school and learn there is nothing good about killing VET toons.
Unless you dont like the game; because people will walk away if they ruin their investment.
I want to know where this school is where you apparently learn about MMOs. :eek: Where is it?
And the whole point, if you had bothered to read, was that no one can ruin your investment except YOU! No one can ruin your investment except YOU! (Sorry for repeating myself but it'll help you remember .)
After only 4 months, 19 weeks, 134 days, it's here. It's real! U.S.S. Tempest
I didn't take anything personally, I was just expressing my exasperation at the doom surrounding the Recruitment Event.
Thx for the clarification. Personally, I see no reason for doom, though. Just perhaps a sigh, here and there, on how to (financially) manage yet another toon. But, all-in-all, I myself am looking rather forward to the new Herald sphere! Bring it on!
are they usable for end-game? they don't do enough DPS to farm BNPs and they don't compete in PVP either. they are functionally obsolete. Deleted never mattered, doesn't matter here either.
(Lost count of how many times I've said this now...)
If you can't run a T5 ship at the end-game anymore, that's all on the player. T5 ships are still some of the best ships in the game.
What's a T6 ship? Main differences are:
- starship trait (which is captain-specific, so benefits all ships)
- 1 extra boff ability, which is a nice thing but not totally OP. And it's mainly there for the spec abilities anyways
- access to the fun new specialization stuff, none of which is game-breaking OP
A T5-U ship gets all the main benefits - hull and shield boosts, an extra console slot, and the 4 ship-specific mastery boosts.
T5 ships were never made obsolete. And T6 ships aren't instant-win boats. If you can't run your old T5 ships at the new end-game, then you as a player at the keyboard need to up your skills, because a T6 ship will benefit you in no way.
did you even pay attention to what i said?
i made the jump from my views of both T5Us and Delta recruitment as to say i felt the same way but have noticed its not the case.
I run a T5U Fleet D'eridex and T5U scimitar and the list goes on i use T5Us extensivley as in some cases they can outclass t-6s ships.
I came here to give support to delta recruitment not be trolled by some incompetent fool.
(Lost count of how many times I've said this now...)
If you can't run a T5 ship at the end-game anymore, that's all on the player. T5 ships are still some of the best ships in the game.
What's a T6 ship? Main differences are:
- starship trait (which is captain-specific, so benefits all ships)
- 1 extra boff ability, which is a nice thing but not totally OP. And it's mainly there for the spec abilities anyways
- access to the fun new specialization stuff, none of which is game-breaking OP
A T5-U ship gets all the main benefits - hull and shield boosts, an extra console slot, and the 4 ship-specific mastery boosts.
T5 ships were never made obsolete. And T6 ships aren't instant-win boats. If you can't run your old T5 ships at the new end-game, then you as a player at the keyboard need to up your skills, because a T6 ship will benefit you in no way.
nice job conflating T5 with T5-U for comparison to T6
T5 is functionally obsolete for farming high-end rewards or competing in true end-game activities
will our old alts have to buy upgrade token to compete akin to T5-U
are they usable for end-game? they don't do enough DPS to farm BNPs and they don't compete in PVP either. they are functionally obsolete. Deleted never mattered, doesn't matter here either.
Ive seen videos of people doing the STFs in T5s...not T5Us...T5s
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I think its a nice idea there is no obligation for anyone to partake in it. Its for fun if its not fun then do something fun. I am gonna make a new guy for this thing. I see no reason why people should find this a bad thing lol.
I think people need to "chillax" and just have fun life is hard enough as it is.
To Tacofangs and the Devs; don't listen to the whining on this one.
I'd like to add to that that he and the other developers should just ignore 90% of what's said on these boards. There are a few legitimate reports of issues, but most posts are just pure unadulterated whine-fests.
As such, my advice to them is to just continue on tackling those little niggling issues that are present as they find them and have the time and capability to take care of them. If it takes a while, oh well.
I want to know where this school is where you apparently learn about MMOs. :eek: Where is it?
And the whole point, if you had bothered to read, was that no one can ruin your investment except YOU! No one can ruin your investment except YOU! (Sorry for repeating myself but it'll help you remember .)
The beginning class in your schooling is look up the history of
Star Wars Galaxys
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
nice job conflating T5 with T5-U for comparison to T6
T5 or T5-U, both at still just fine at end game - T5-U obviously being the preferred. I have the T5 freebie Ambassador that I can run just fine with.
And if we do need to buy an upgrade token, or somehow upgrade our toons (which, for the record, does not appear to be the case), at the risk of getting flamed something fierce... is that a problem? The game is 5 years old. Things change, new systems are introduced, nww options made available, etc. I do not expect Triana, in her current state, to be top-dog from now onwards unless I continue to work on her. That's the nature of MMOs - constant progression.
Ive seen videos of people doing the STFs in T5s...not T5Us...T5s
Lol, very true. I ran the freebie T2 Nova in ISA a few weeks ago... and out-DPS'd other players :rolleyes: It's not just about the ship. The captain character, the gear, the player themself... it all adds up.
Lol, very true. I ran the freebie T2 Nova in ISA a few weeks ago... and out-DPS'd other players :rolleyes: It's not just about the ship. The captain character, the gear, the player themself... it all adds up.
... and then, the Mission failed ... The End ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
Ah, sorry. Didn't look like you'd also changed your opinion on T5 ships, the way you worded it.
T5 or T5-U, both at still just fine at end game - T5-U obviously being the preferred. I have the T5 freebie Ambassador that I can run just fine with.
And if we do need to buy an upgrade token, or somehow upgrade our toons (which, for the record, does not appear to be the case), at the risk of getting flamed something fierce... is that a problem? The game is 5 years old. Things change, new systems are introduced, nww options made available, etc. I do not expect Triana, in her current state, to be top-dog from now onwards unless I continue to work on her. That's the nature of MMOs - constant progression.
Lol, very true. I ran the freebie T2 Nova in ISA a few weeks ago... and out-DPS'd other players :rolleyes: It's not just about the ship. The captain character, the gear, the player themself... it all adds up.
t5 and t5u are both servicable if you dont want to worry about making it your main then fine stick to normal STF's but t5u work fine in advanced, but STF's is not the entire game and people do need to stop fixating on them.
that being said if your low on cash the summer event will be along soon giving your new delta recruit an opportunity to get a t6 ship. Or work with the t6 ships you have already purchased as they are unlocked accountwide are they not? LOL
I truly dont understand what the big deal is if you dont want to participate then dont bother just do your usual thing and ignore the event.
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Everyone has their own reasons for how they feel and, while I personally an excited, I'm also nervous, and here's why.
The first MMO I ever played was very unique, in fact I've never seen anything else like it. There were a few hiccups, but in general the players were happy, and the third expansion had just been released. Then out of the blue, about two weeks after said expansion, there was a surprise announcement that went something like this:
"Hello players! Just wanted to let you know that within just a couple days (or was it the very next day?), we will be removing our unique, entertaining, sand box style profession system and replacing it with a generic, linear progression class system! Oh and that super rare profession you had to grind months and months for? That's going to be available to everyone right out of the gate! Isn't this exciting?"
-crickets-
"Wait, where did all the players go?"
For those that don't know, that was Star Wars Galaxies and it's super secretive New Game Experience patch ... so yeah, MMO development secrets scare me nowadays
Does this mean my other five chars, on whom I have lavished so much time and money and attention, are suddenly less valuable or less powerful? Only if I wish it to be so. Only if I listen to the naysayers and people who are viewing the Delta Recruitment chars in the most negative light possible.
What I find most amusing about all this negativity displayed in the forums? The louder they shriek and bleat about Delta Recruitment here, in from of an audience composed of all too willing sycophants, the more likely it is they'll be first in line to roll a Delta Recruit. They'll deny it, because they have to in order maintain the disdainful hipster image they've worked so hard to create for their tens of adoring fans of course. However, watch carefully in the weeks to come.
The same names you see here indignantly disparaging the Delta Recruits will also be found on Tribble testing Delta Recruits for all they're worth. The Bug Reports threads will be flooded by them. I'd bet a week's pay on this.
Tacofangs, you keep doin' what you're doin'. And if saying this makes me a white knight or A cryptic defender or any of the other names the hipsters call me, all I can say is -
At least I am honest about it. :P
Go back to school and learn there is nothing good about killing VET toons.
Unless you dont like the game; because people will walk away if they ruin their investment.
It's not killing VET Toons
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
And I didn't say anyone is making me; just that I won't. Can't, really, even if I wanted to: it's just too cost prohibitive for me. I will train one up, and enjoy the new content, but I just can't be spending that kind of cash on a new toon any more.
Haven't read it all, I must admit. But I know Tactofangs is basically always caught between a rock and a hard place. Which is sad, as he's not responsible for any decisions at Cryptic people may deem bad: he just makes pretty designs.
lol you sound JUST LIKE the guys saying T5 ships weren't getting deleted and could still run the same content and therefore were not being devalued in any way
were T5 ships deleted?
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
The talk of the town is they will get to keep some super uber trait.
I hope they just get some bonus DIL and XP, because it will be the death of STO if they do.
But i see now its not goig to be the case and i for one think this could turn out to be something very good for STO going forward.
I have 3-4 old low level toons at the ready for deletion so i can turn them into delta recruits im ready for this to happen..
Now ...when we getting delta recruits?...i can hardly wait
(Lost count of how many times I've said this now...)
If you can't run a T5 ship at the end-game anymore, that's all on the player. T5 ships are still some of the best ships in the game.
What's a T6 ship? Main differences are:
- starship trait (which is captain-specific, so benefits all ships)
- 1 extra boff ability, which is a nice thing but not totally OP. And it's mainly there for the spec abilities anyways
- access to the fun new specialization stuff, none of which is game-breaking OP
A T5-U ship gets all the main benefits - hull and shield boosts, an extra console slot, and the 4 ship-specific mastery boosts.
T5 ships were never made obsolete. And T6 ships aren't instant-win boats. If you can't run your old T5 ships at the new end-game, then you as a player at the keyboard need to up your skills, because a T6 ship will benefit you in no way.
I want to know where this school is where you apparently learn about MMOs. :eek: Where is it?
And the whole point, if you had bothered to read, was that no one can ruin your investment except YOU! No one can ruin your investment except YOU! (Sorry for repeating myself but it'll help you remember
U.S.S. Tempest
Thx for the clarification. Personally, I see no reason for doom, though. Just perhaps a sigh, here and there, on how to (financially) manage yet another toon. But, all-in-all, I myself am looking rather forward to the new Herald sphere! Bring it on!
did you even pay attention to what i said?
i made the jump from my views of both T5Us and Delta recruitment as to say i felt the same way but have noticed its not the case.
I run a T5U Fleet D'eridex and T5U scimitar and the list goes on i use T5Us extensivley as in some cases they can outclass t-6s ships.
I came here to give support to delta recruitment not be trolled by some incompetent fool.
nice job conflating T5 with T5-U for comparison to T6
T5 is functionally obsolete for farming high-end rewards or competing in true end-game activities
will our old alts have to buy upgrade token to compete akin to T5-U
^^ that is a legitimate concern after DR
Ive seen videos of people doing the STFs in T5s...not T5Us...T5s
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I think people need to "chillax" and just have fun life is hard enough as it is.
Thank you for creating such an event I enjoy taking part in these types of things!
I'd like to add to that that he and the other developers should just ignore 90% of what's said on these boards. There are a few legitimate reports of issues, but most posts are just pure unadulterated whine-fests.
As such, my advice to them is to just continue on tackling those little niggling issues that are present as they find them and have the time and capability to take care of them. If it takes a while, oh well.
The beginning class in your schooling is look up the history of
Star Wars Galaxys
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Ah, sorry. Didn't look like you'd also changed your opinion on T5 ships, the way you worded it.
T5 or T5-U, both at still just fine at end game - T5-U obviously being the preferred. I have the T5 freebie Ambassador that I can run just fine with.
And if we do need to buy an upgrade token, or somehow upgrade our toons (which, for the record, does not appear to be the case), at the risk of getting flamed something fierce... is that a problem? The game is 5 years old. Things change, new systems are introduced, nww options made available, etc. I do not expect Triana, in her current state, to be top-dog from now onwards unless I continue to work on her. That's the nature of MMOs - constant progression.
Lol, very true. I ran the freebie T2 Nova in ISA a few weeks ago... and out-DPS'd other players :rolleyes: It's not just about the ship. The captain character, the gear, the player themself... it all adds up.
Yep, i made a post about this on page 13, text book example of a great MMO being ran into the ground by a secretive project.
I said I wanted to know where the school is, not that I wanted to take classes. :P
U.S.S. Tempest
... and then, the Mission failed ... The End ...
My own apologies aswell
t5 and t5u are both servicable if you dont want to worry about making it your main then fine stick to normal STF's but t5u work fine in advanced, but STF's is not the entire game and people do need to stop fixating on them.
that being said if your low on cash the summer event will be along soon giving your new delta recruit an opportunity to get a t6 ship. Or work with the t6 ships you have already purchased as they are unlocked accountwide are they not? LOL
I truly dont understand what the big deal is if you dont want to participate then dont bother just do your usual thing and ignore the event.
No worries.
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