So, if someone asked you to write an article or series of advice on maximizing DPS for a STO blog, would you do it?
I mean, as an experienced DPS'er who clearly had issues with the last batch that tried to run a Bootcamp.
This isn't mockery-would you step up to the plate and do an advice column if someone offered you the space to do it?
Ryan, Hellspawny, Sarcasm, me and some others already did to a smaller or greater amount. Why wouldnt we repeat that?
Though in honesty, I wouldnt write on about maximizing dps. This would be the "advanced" or second blog. The first blog would be on how to build a balanced ship and were to get things for it. Basically how to build an island with decent dps.
That was always my style (at least inside the fleet), because having a high-dps-build without the knowledge to stay alive wont really benefit anyone.
Ryan, Hellspawny, Sarcasm, me and some others already did to a smaller or greater amount. Why wouldnt we repeat that?
Though in honesty, I wouldnt write on about maximizing dps. This would be the "advanced" or second blog. The first blog would be on how to build a balanced ship and were to get things for it. Basically how to build an island with decent dps.
That was always my style (at least inside the fleet), because having a high-dps-build without the knowledge to stay alive wont really benefit anyone.
Got links to those articles? Would like to read them
Ignorance is an obstacle not an excuse
Let the stupid suffer
Well I am convinced that I was right regarding using normals as "training" for advanced it simply does't work I just did CC 3 times in a row advanced each time everyone remained in the blast radius and I was the only one who ran and survived and it failed 3 times on an epic level lol. So I jumped into normal cause I just wanted my stupid shard and of course would instinctively run away as the energy was building up while every single person in the group stayed put.
So people are not learning how to do these STF q's and that is why they are failing. In fact since last I tried some (back when they just added the fail conditions) and they were so high on HP that is about the last time I tried these .. I would be more successful then I am now so I believe the problem has in fact gotten worse that people are learning bad habits in the normals and dragging them into the advanced.
So there is no cure for this LOL .. I can't help but chuckle I have never ever been in a situation where literally everyone BUT ME died in an energy blast in CC and it happened not once, not twice but THREE TIME lol.
So I am starting to believe these posts where they say 150 times all fails. I can't stop laughing
Got links to those articles? Would like to read them
Hellspawny's is in the germans forum (search for Eskorten Kompendium), pretty excessive review of mechanics, though I am not up-to-date wether or not it is up-to-date (updating it surely would be exhausting). Sarcasm and Ryan have youtube-tutorials -though I would have to search the links myself, I didnt really need them when we first met.
As for mine, as you can fathom it is in our fleets forum and in german too. I did some in the buildsections of this forum in my earlier days, before realizing that good advice always goes down the drain between all the bad advice surrounding it.
P.S.: Well, a small one might be my tank (pls note that it is pre-DR, so some traits and adaptions are not in place yet), though I didnt really get into detail on how to build it. Just explained some things I thought might pop into the mind of someone reading it. And obviously, this isnt a beginners build, as I would build that one differently and cheaper.
So there is no cure for this LOL .. I can't help but chuckle I have never ever been in a situation where literally everyone BUT ME died in an energy blast in CC and it happened not once, not twice but THREE TIME lol.
Well, folks might just be running DOFF alts or the like through the event - so they might just have whatever gear came on the ship and not a skillpoint spent nor BOFF trained.
Well, folks might just be running DOFF alts or the like through the event - so they might just have whatever gear came on the ship and not a skillpoint spent nor BOFF trained.
well they would know to run or something they just sit there and shoot surely if your gimped that is a reason to go into normal and not an advanced and run like hell so that makes no sense at all.
well they would know to run or something they just sit there and shoot surely if your gimped that is a reason to go into normal and not an advanced and run like hell so that makes no sense at all.
They're on toon #34 of 40+...they probably don't care and are just leeching it.
It was funny, kind of, until a run last week I think it was - I didn't even know that it could fail...was there, going through the mind-numbing motions like every other time...bam, pops up...failed...lolwut? Queued another one, did the same park 'n shoot is this done yet and it was over wham-bam like usual.
I'd just figured/assumed that it was probably somebody that set course in the general direction of the Entity and watched TV until it was done...cause outside of the sheer awesomesauce it was after DR before they nerfed it into the ground...just can't picture how somebody could die in there. Tripping over a Tribble in the starbase is more dangerous.
They're on toon #34 of 40+...they probably don't care and are just leeching it.
It was funny, kind of, until a run last week I think it was - I didn't even know that it could fail...was there, going through the mind-numbing motions like every other time...bam, pops up...failed...lolwut? Queued another one, did the same park 'n shoot is this done yet and it was over wham-bam like usual.
I'd just figured/assumed that it was probably somebody that set course in the general direction of the Entity and watched TV until it was done...cause outside of the sheer awesomesauce it was after DR before they nerfed it into the ground...just can't picture how somebody could die in there. Tripping over a Tribble in the starbase is more dangerous.
oh maybe i dunno but today was epic.
Anyhow I do feel stupid going into normal with some of my guys but i gave up and went in anyhow today with my guys. I was kinda wanting the fleet marks and a little bit extra dilithium, but I have to give up today. I dont think I have seen anything like it LoL. Seems to me they are kinda defeating the purpose of getitng it over quickly if they can't push buttons and drive for 5 minutes
Even at this point, very average player's could probably help improve the worst of the worst, that keep popping into Advanced missions ruining more experienced player(s) victory chances.
But, than again some of these bad player's, I am beginning to believe they are deliberate sabotage trolls, instead of really horrid player's.
I mean, how else can one explain the vast # of them, that keep showing up?
I have so far written it off as having stupidly amount of bad luck getting them on my random teams. :P
A test server is supposed to be used to properly test patches before patching anything....
I have so far written it off as having stupidly amount of bad luck getting them on my random teams. :P
Heh, could be. I was bored and decided to run three ISAs tonight. The last one saw somebody get a 30k invite and somebody a 10k. Two of the three runs actually resulted in faster runs for me. I was like, where did all these 20k and nearly 40k folks come from, doh - I can't tank for that kind of DPS in my goofball torp Geneva...so I went FAWrays for the third, and ended up with somebody doing higher DPS than any of the other two...so I couldn't steal his aggro either; just had to settle doing the healing bit.
I feel kind of nostalgic to the old times when one did the cure, and the important part was to have two goal keeper that stopped ships from two ship yards while last three members dealer with last shipyard.
Whenever I try this today there is always people from normal that tries to do the DPS run and ignore all ships spawned. Then they get surprised that Kangs ship get blown up. :rolleyes:
They really should remove all time limits on advanced so people get to learn tactics. The goal should be to finish scenario and not to do it in as low time as possible.
A test server is supposed to be used to properly test patches before patching anything....
So, after a few days of reading this thread I thought, what the heck, let me update my Engineer ISA A2B FAW boat and see what's what in some PUGs. Loadout is 5 CrtDx4 AP Beam Arrays, 2 Omni APs and a Cutting Beam, all sitting at XIV. 4 XIV UR VLs and a Plasmonic Leech. Everything else is just what's laying around. Three purple techs, Marion and a transporter dude. Set is the Mk XI (yep still have one) Assimilated.
Have run it eight times in the last two days. Two failed. One failure was someone going right by themselves... eh whatcha gonna do. The other one today was an epic smackdown. We had the first transformer down low and something laid four of us out at once. Was sitting there spamming my engineer heal powers, sitting at 90% health and 100% shields, then boom! everyone dies. Except for the dude sitting 12k out. Thing was we were taking it down so fast that even after waiting to respawn the Nanites still hadn't refreshed it. I was the first back in and had it down to 5% when the fail came up.
Anyway, the other 6 times were pretty much standard.. kill kill kill like ISE was. I parsed top runs of 24k DPS in a Fleet Avenger and 21k in a Presidio (pretty close to the same A2B build on both). Both were in the high teens on average.
So my take away from this thread is. If you are whining about Advanced queues failing constantly, look at yourself. Cause other than a random "d'oh" or some out of left field ninja-borg move, they haven't changed that much.
So, after a few days of reading this thread I thought, what the heck, let me update my Engineer ISA A2B FAW boat and see what's what in some PUGs. Loadout is 5 CrtDx4 AP Beam Arrays, 2 Omni APs and a Cutting Beam, all sitting at XIV. 4 XIV UR VLs and a Plasmonic Leech. Everything else is just what's laying around. Three purple techs, Marion and a transporter dude. Set is the Mk XI (yep still have one) Assimilated.
Have run it eight times in the last two days. Two failed. One failure was someone going right by themselves... eh whatcha gonna do. The other one today was an epic smackdown. We had the first transformer down low and something laid four of us out at once. Was sitting there spamming my engineer heal powers, sitting at 90% health and 100% shields, then boom! everyone dies. Except for the dude sitting 12k out. Thing was we were taking it down so fast that even after waiting to respawn the Nanites still hadn't refreshed it. I was the first back in and had it down to 5% when the fail came up.
Anyway, the other 6 times were pretty much standard.. kill kill kill like ISE was. I parsed top runs of 24k DPS in a Fleet Avenger and 21k in a Presidio (pretty close to the same A2B build on both). Both were in the high teens on average.
So my take away from this thread is. If you are whining about Advanced queues failing constantly, look at yourself. Cause other than a random "d'oh" or some out of left field ninja-borg move, they haven't changed that much.
Seems you got some lucky runs in, as I see more like a 25%-40% fail rate on average with pugs, while I am either always 1st or, 2nd usually in dps during these runs.
8 runs and, 2 failed, that's a 12.5% failure rate!
Seems you got some lucky runs in, as I see more like a 25%-40% fail rate on average with pugs, while I am either always 1st or, 2nd usually in dps during these runs.
Two failures out of eight runs is a 25% failure rate.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Seems you got some lucky runs in, as I see more like a 25%-40% fail rate on average with pugs, while I am either always 1st or, 2nd usually in dps during these runs.
I think a lot of it is certainly luck... had he got a lot more pugs with those 8k and below numbers and those higher dps been spread out a bit more.
But what's interesting is that the numbers kind of prove that to do this particular show you need to be doing 10k dps + at a minimum. 8k just doesn't cut it anymore, which for the longest time had been what's concidered the "minimum". A pug of 5-8k players would probably fail.
What's also interesting is the couple of 2k & 3k dpsers... I mean honestly I get the idea of "play how you want"... I'm a big supporter of this... but 2k& 3k... those HAVE To be trolls... have to be... which now proves a lot of our points that there are people who are purposely coming into missions to cause them to fail.
Okay maybe it's not proof positive... but it's interesting.
What's also interesting is the couple of 2k & 3k dpsers... I mean honestly I get the idea of "play how you want"... I'm a big supporter of this... but 2k& 3k... those HAVE To be trolls... have to be... which now proves a lot of our points that there are people who are purposely coming into missions to cause them to fail.
Nope. Believe it or not, I used to be in the 2-3k range, as did Bagel (if you don't know, his PR is 90k). That was back pre-DR when bringing that into advanced wasn't terrible, but man, I know I thought I was hot stuff back then, with my CSV avenger. It was just a few fundamental issues with my build and how to fly it that was holding me back. Most people in the 2-3k range are probably trying. If I was trolling, I'd warp in, hit fleet support, and then AFK, letting FS3 do my 1% for me. (note - I have never done so, but it's a heck of a lot easier than trying for 3k).
SCM - Crystal C. (S) - [00:12] DMG(DPS) - @jarvisandalfred: 8.63M(713.16K) - Fed Sci
I don't think we were trolled... maybe the guy who went right. I was more thinking he probably read something about 3/2 splits and figured someone was going with him, like we were a bunch of 50k guys.
The guy who didn't engage in the second one... I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he might have tossed a GW at the gate since the Nanites didn't make it there until after a respawn.
While I have not had as difficult of a time with Advanced Borg STFs as the OP, I will say this in support of his position:
When I am in combat with the Borg, seeing a sphere concerns me more than seeing a cube.
A cube is easy to deal with. It's so slow that you can hit and run it to death with little danger to yourself.
A sphere, though, is a horse of a different color, and while it doesn't have as many hitpoints as a cube, it's shield drain ability is nasty and its mobility/speed make it more of a danger (at least to me, anyways).
When it comes to multiple spheres, there is no question, the spheres are far more dangerous than a single cube.
Oh, and one more thing, for the people that came on here and started ripping on the OP for having a "bad build": please have some tact, people.
It's one thing to point out to someone problems with their build and then maybe offer some helpful advice, it's a whole other (unacceptable) thing to start bashing the OP with "OMG you are teh sux0rz NOOOOOOOOB get sum skillz!!! LOLOLOL"
I'm not a moderator, but I ask all of you to please control your emotions and refrain from insulting people. There is no reason to get nasty with people.
Oh, and one more thing, for the people that came on here and started ripping on the OP for having a "bad build": please have some tact, people.
It's one thing to point out to someone problems with their build and then maybe offer some helpful advice, it's a whole other (unacceptable) thing to start bashing the OP with "OMG you are teh sux0rz NOOOOOOOOB get sum skillz!!! LOLOLOL"
I'm not a moderator, but I ask all of you to please control your emotions and refrain from insulting people. There is no reason to get nasty with people.
This is a complete different scenario had he posted at builds. Posted his build at the Build section and asked advice why the best ship for DPS under his piloting isnt able to kill a single sphere(not multiple spheres).
However, what the OP did, is whine in the General discussion. Could he have done a different way? Yes, he could. But, he chose a path of Whining at the general discussion. Sounds to me like the OP just has nothing to do or he needs attention or he just wants a troll bait thread.
This is a complete different scenario had he posted at builds. Posted his build at the Build section and asked advice why the best ship for DPS under his piloting isnt able to kill a single sphere(not multiple spheres).
However, what the OP did, is whine in the General discussion. Could he have done a different way? Yes, he could. But, he chose a path of Whining at the general discussion. Sounds to me like the OP just has nothing to do or he needs attention or he just wants a troll bait thread.
No, he just had a complaint about the game and decided to voice it. General Discussion seems like a valid place to voice a complaint about the game.
Just because someone doesn't agree with a complaint does not mean that the complaint is invalid or that those who disagree now have carte blanc to jump down the complainant's throat, sheesh.:mad:
EDIT: I consider myself a good player. I don't think that I could squeeze 14k DPS out of non-fleet T5U Atrox carrier if I had no idea what I am doing in STO. This said, the OP's complaint does have some validity. He is not the only one who has noticed the buff Borg Spheres have gotten. As I expressed in an earlier post, I am more concerned at being attacked by a sphere than a cube.
No, he just had a complaint about the game and decided to voice it. General Discussion seems like a valid place to voice a complaint about the game.
Just because someone doesn't agree with a complaint does not mean that the complaint is invalid or that those who disagree now have carte blanc to jump down the complainant's throat, sheesh.:mad:
EDIT: I consider myself a good player. I don't think that I could squeeze 14k DPS out of non-fleet T5U Atrox carrier if I had no idea what I am doing in STO. This said, the OP's complaint does have some validity. He is not the only one who has noticed the buff Borg Spheres have gotten. As I expressed in an earlier post, I am more concerned at being attacked by a sphere than a cube.
Apparently, you didnt read all what the OP said. The OP stated couldnt kill a single sphere with his FPER.
This is a whining thread not a constructive thread.
It is true that the Borg tachyon beam were buffed. But it isnt valid that you cannot kill a single sphere although it is true that the OP cannot kill a single sphere. The mentality of whining over improvement is a spoiled brats attitude. Any player can easily improve with the current mechanics and can easily kill a single sphere with the most powerful fed ship in DPS.
Since you brought this up, I am sorry but 14k DPS is anything but a good player in PvE. 14K DPS is roughly around the DPS of a Fleet Support Pet.
Apparently, you didnt read all what the OP said. The OP stated couldnt kill a single sphere with his FPER.
This is a whining thread not a constructive thread.
It is true that the Borg tachyon beam were buffed. But it isnt valid that you cannot kill a single sphere although it is true that the OP cannot kill a single sphere. The mentality of whining over improvement is a spoiled brats attitude. Any player can easily improve with the current mechanics and can easily kill a single sphere with the most powerful fed ship in DPS.
Since you brought this up, I am sorry but 14k DPS is anything but a good player in PvE. 14K DPS is roughly around the DPS of a Fleet Support Pet.
What combat log parser are you running?
Because, I don't foresee a single fleet support pet, pulling those kinds of #'s with CLR!
Since you brought this up, I am sorry but 14k DPS is anything but a good player in PvE. 14K DPS is roughly around the DPS of a Fleet Support Pet.
What STO are you playing. Number wise 8k is pretty much the baseline for your average player in STO. Anything less is mostly a drain... and anything higher then 10k can at least hold their own in any advanced queue if they know what they're doing.
So 14k is actually pretty good. They may not have the huge E-peen you have (I mean I tripped over that thing on tribble trying ot get from one side of space to the other) but with a bit of knowledge 14k will allow them to contribute to any advanced and not hold the team bback... assuming they know what they're doing. They won't get the optional of course but they'll do well enough.
Yes and as shadow said... where do yo uget that a fleet support pet is doing 14k?
Paxdawn, there is so much wrong with your post that I almost don't know where to begin.
Firstly, you do not decide what is or is not constructive.
Secondly, now you're calling other posters "spoiled brats" just because their opinions are different than yours. (Isn't that against the TOS? hmmmm)
Thirdly, do you really expect everyone to fly the same ship? That would make for a boring game, don't you think?
Fourthly, 14k DPS in a Caitian Atrox Carrier (not even a fleet one, btw) is actually a very good performance out of a ship that is designed from the outset as a support ship. I would really like to see what kind of DPS you can pull off with an Atrox carrier. If you can beat me, then kudos to you, but I can assure you that Atrox setups that do more damage than that are rather rare (there are a handful, though).
Fifthly (it's very rare that a post is so bad that I get to a fifth point in my rebuttal), no fleet support pet gets 14k DPS, which, whether you like it or not, severely diminishes your credibility when it comes to game mechanics and DPS statistics.
I mean, your post is not only full of inaccuracies and misrepresentations, it's also quite rude, as well.
I can abide people being wrong, but I cannot abide people being wrong and rude.
Apparently, you didnt read all what the OP said. The OP stated couldnt kill a single sphere with his FPER.
This is a whining thread not a constructive thread.
It is true that the Borg tachyon beam were buffed. But it isnt valid that you cannot kill a single sphere although it is true that the OP cannot kill a single sphere. The mentality of whining over improvement is a spoiled brats attitude. Any player can easily improve with the current mechanics and can easily kill a single sphere with the most powerful fed ship in DPS.
Since you brought this up, I am sorry but 14k DPS is anything but a good player in PvE. 14K DPS is roughly around the DPS of a Fleet Support Pet.
The OPs reaction could be interpreted as complain or as whining but quiet frankly so can be urs. Correct me if Im wrong but your responses sounds like coming from someone used to easy peasy DPS chanel runs all the way.
Perhaps its time to take your awesomeness right along with your 14k pets out of the channels right into the queue list with some bad pugs more often. I can assure you that you will find a lot of further ways to improve there as well. One also does not risk to become a spoiled brat oneself.
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Clearly they have jacked up the difficulty several times over. I can't even solo a sphere in my monster fleet patrol escort refit. Trip XIV Dual Heavy's up front, Elite regen turrets in back... The people are playing the parts right... it's just they literally overwhelm you.
I have been able to succeed once in about my last 20 tries... last few making sure to hook with quality players. This is getting crazy. I need one Damn Borg Neural Processor and of course will eventually need others and they have nearly destroyed the possibility of getting them.
I can never think of enough ways to say how much I hate Cryptic.
Stop pugging ADVANCED they clearly stated at the launch of Delta Rising, these were going to be no longer puggable.
If your in a group, pretty much need 2 people swapping gravwells now on the nanite sphere cloud.
COUGH COUGH OVERHWLMING DPS DONT MATTER COUGH COUGH its not the (HPs either, its the SHIELD Hp )........ When your playing with a PUG group, or you dont stop them from moving, they get to the transformer.
This is why you go meet people, and play the game with them, this is why they call it MULTI-PLAYER, go make friends, and enjoy better teams .
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Ryan, Hellspawny, Sarcasm, me and some others already did to a smaller or greater amount. Why wouldnt we repeat that?
Though in honesty, I wouldnt write on about maximizing dps. This would be the "advanced" or second blog. The first blog would be on how to build a balanced ship and were to get things for it. Basically how to build an island with decent dps.
That was always my style (at least inside the fleet), because having a high-dps-build without the knowledge to stay alive wont really benefit anyone.
Got links to those articles? Would like to read them
Let the stupid suffer
So people are not learning how to do these STF q's and that is why they are failing. In fact since last I tried some (back when they just added the fail conditions) and they were so high on HP that is about the last time I tried these .. I would be more successful then I am now so I believe the problem has in fact gotten worse that people are learning bad habits in the normals and dragging them into the advanced.
So there is no cure for this LOL .. I can't help but chuckle I have never ever been in a situation where literally everyone BUT ME died in an energy blast in CC and it happened not once, not twice but THREE TIME lol.
So I am starting to believe these posts where they say 150 times all fails. I can't stop laughing
Hellspawny's is in the germans forum (search for Eskorten Kompendium), pretty excessive review of mechanics, though I am not up-to-date wether or not it is up-to-date (updating it surely would be exhausting). Sarcasm and Ryan have youtube-tutorials -though I would have to search the links myself, I didnt really need them when we first met.
As for mine, as you can fathom it is in our fleets forum and in german too. I did some in the buildsections of this forum in my earlier days, before realizing that good advice always goes down the drain between all the bad advice surrounding it.
P.S.: Well, a small one might be my tank (pls note that it is pre-DR, so some traits and adaptions are not in place yet), though I didnt really get into detail on how to build it. Just explained some things I thought might pop into the mind of someone reading it. And obviously, this isnt a beginners build, as I would build that one differently and cheaper.
Well, folks might just be running DOFF alts or the like through the event - so they might just have whatever gear came on the ship and not a skillpoint spent nor BOFF trained.
well they would know to run or something they just sit there and shoot surely if your gimped that is a reason to go into normal and not an advanced and run like hell so that makes no sense at all.
They're on toon #34 of 40+...they probably don't care and are just leeching it.
It was funny, kind of, until a run last week I think it was - I didn't even know that it could fail...was there, going through the mind-numbing motions like every other time...bam, pops up...failed...lolwut? Queued another one, did the same park 'n shoot is this done yet and it was over wham-bam like usual.
I'd just figured/assumed that it was probably somebody that set course in the general direction of the Entity and watched TV until it was done...cause outside of the sheer awesomesauce it was after DR before they nerfed it into the ground...just can't picture how somebody could die in there. Tripping over a Tribble in the starbase is more dangerous.
oh maybe i dunno but today was epic.
Anyhow I do feel stupid going into normal with some of my guys but i gave up and went in anyhow today with my guys. I was kinda wanting the fleet marks and a little bit extra dilithium, but I have to give up today. I dont think I have seen anything like it LoL. Seems to me they are kinda defeating the purpose of getitng it over quickly if they can't push buttons and drive for 5 minutes
I have so far written it off as having stupidly amount of bad luck getting them on my random teams. :P
A test server is supposed to be used to properly test patches before patching anything....
Heh, could be. I was bored and decided to run three ISAs tonight. The last one saw somebody get a 30k invite and somebody a 10k. Two of the three runs actually resulted in faster runs for me. I was like, where did all these 20k and nearly 40k folks come from, doh - I can't tank for that kind of DPS in my goofball torp Geneva...so I went FAWrays for the third, and ended up with somebody doing higher DPS than any of the other two...so I couldn't steal his aggro either; just had to settle doing the healing bit.
Whenever I try this today there is always people from normal that tries to do the DPS run and ignore all ships spawned. Then they get surprised that Kangs ship get blown up. :rolleyes:
They really should remove all time limits on advanced so people get to learn tactics. The goal should be to finish scenario and not to do it in as low time as possible.
A test server is supposed to be used to properly test patches before patching anything....
Some people just dont seem to want to learn the game first before jumping in trying to get the implants etc.
Have run it eight times in the last two days. Two failed. One failure was someone going right by themselves... eh whatcha gonna do. The other one today was an epic smackdown. We had the first transformer down low and something laid four of us out at once. Was sitting there spamming my engineer heal powers, sitting at 90% health and 100% shields, then boom! everyone dies. Except for the dude sitting 12k out. Thing was we were taking it down so fast that even after waiting to respawn the Nanites still hadn't refreshed it. I was the first back in and had it down to 5% when the fail came up.
Anyway, the other 6 times were pretty much standard.. kill kill kill like ISE was. I parsed top runs of 24k DPS in a Fleet Avenger and 21k in a Presidio (pretty close to the same A2B build on both). Both were in the high teens on average.
So my take away from this thread is. If you are whining about Advanced queues failing constantly, look at yourself. Cause other than a random "d'oh" or some out of left field ninja-borg move, they haven't changed that much.
Here be some parsin':
CLRInfected Space[3:26] Dmg(DPS) FAILED
Me - 2,614,066(12,690)
PUG Dude1 - 1,738,198(8,960)
PUG Dude2 - 1,410,724(7,019)
PUG Dude3 - 1,323,130(6,927)
Scared PUG Dude - 957,000(4,668)
CLRInfected Space[11:22] Dmg(DPS) WIN
PUG Dude1 - 12,303,800(18,120)
Me - 10,786,196(15,885)
PUG Dude2 - 7,118,269(10,934)
PUG Dude3 - 5,613,632(8,267)
PUG Dude4 - 2,001,567(2,961)
CLRInfected Space[8:42] Dmg(DPS) WIN
Me - 12,616,469(24,403)
PUG Dude1 - 11,570,625(22,208)
PUG Dude2 - 6,872,562(13,293)
PUG Dude3 - 4,275,116(8,317)
PUG Dude4 - 3,794,047(7,324)
CLRInfected Space[8:24] Dmg(DPS) WIN
PUG Dude1 - 11,223,348(22,492)
Me - 8,993,334(18,023)
PUG Dude2 - 6,900,430(13,691)
PUG Dude3 - 6,189,020(12,478)
PUG Dude4 - 3,174,655(6,349)
CLRInfected Space[8:09] Dmg(DPS) WIN
PUG Dude1 - 13,669,956(27,955)
PUG Dude2 - 10,340,326(21,189)
Me - 8,860,307(18,344)
PUG Dude3 - 3,433,322(7,021)
PUG Dude4 - 2,612,270(5,408)
CLRInfected Space[9:54] Dmg(DPS) WIN
PUG Dude1 - 10,394,086(17,528)
Me - 10,069,406(16,952)
PUG Dude2 - 5,901,242(10,036)
PUG Dude3 - 5,667,486(9,557)
PUG Dude4 - 5,215,284(8,900)
CLRInfected Space[3:47] Dmg(DPS) FAILED
Me - 2,825,416(14,415)
PUG Dude1 - 994,497(4,480)
PUG Dude2 - 770,248(3,423)
PUG Dude3 - 722,071(3,312)
Watchout for guys named after comic book heroes - 586,483(2,728)
CLRInfected Space[9:06] Dmg(DPS) WIN
Me - 11,391,413(20,940)
PUG Dude1 - 8,809,490(16,314)
PUG Dude2 - 8,155,667(14,937)
PUG Dude3 - 4,396,373(8,111)
PUG Dude4 - 4,276,239(7,948)
8 runs and, 2 failed, that's a 25% failure rate!
Seems you got some lucky runs in, as I see more like a 25%-40% fail rate on average with pugs, while I am either always 1st or, 2nd usually in dps during these runs.
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Two failures out of eight runs is a 25% failure rate.
D-oh, yep you are correct.
This is what happens when your brain shuts down for the day! :eek:
Stay in school kidos and, don't do drugs, mkay! :P
Re-edited my OP and, TY for the correction.
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I think a lot of it is certainly luck... had he got a lot more pugs with those 8k and below numbers and those higher dps been spread out a bit more.
But what's interesting is that the numbers kind of prove that to do this particular show you need to be doing 10k dps + at a minimum. 8k just doesn't cut it anymore, which for the longest time had been what's concidered the "minimum". A pug of 5-8k players would probably fail.
What's also interesting is the couple of 2k & 3k dpsers... I mean honestly I get the idea of "play how you want"... I'm a big supporter of this... but 2k& 3k... those HAVE To be trolls... have to be... which now proves a lot of our points that there are people who are purposely coming into missions to cause them to fail.
Okay maybe it's not proof positive... but it's interesting.
Nope. Believe it or not, I used to be in the 2-3k range, as did Bagel (if you don't know, his PR is 90k). That was back pre-DR when bringing that into advanced wasn't terrible, but man, I know I thought I was hot stuff back then, with my CSV avenger. It was just a few fundamental issues with my build and how to fly it that was holding me back. Most people in the 2-3k range are probably trying. If I was trolling, I'd warp in, hit fleet support, and then AFK, letting FS3 do my 1% for me. (note - I have never done so, but it's a heck of a lot easier than trying for 3k).
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The guy who didn't engage in the second one... I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he might have tossed a GW at the gate since the Nanites didn't make it there until after a respawn.
When I am in combat with the Borg, seeing a sphere concerns me more than seeing a cube.
A cube is easy to deal with. It's so slow that you can hit and run it to death with little danger to yourself.
A sphere, though, is a horse of a different color, and while it doesn't have as many hitpoints as a cube, it's shield drain ability is nasty and its mobility/speed make it more of a danger (at least to me, anyways).
When it comes to multiple spheres, there is no question, the spheres are far more dangerous than a single cube.
2 spheres >>>> 1 cube (by a longshot)
Those are my two copper pieces.
It's one thing to point out to someone problems with their build and then maybe offer some helpful advice, it's a whole other (unacceptable) thing to start bashing the OP with "OMG you are teh sux0rz NOOOOOOOOB get sum skillz!!! LOLOLOL"
I'm not a moderator, but I ask all of you to please control your emotions and refrain from insulting people. There is no reason to get nasty with people.
This is a complete different scenario had he posted at builds. Posted his build at the Build section and asked advice why the best ship for DPS under his piloting isnt able to kill a single sphere(not multiple spheres).
However, what the OP did, is whine in the General discussion. Could he have done a different way? Yes, he could. But, he chose a path of Whining at the general discussion. Sounds to me like the OP just has nothing to do or he needs attention or he just wants a troll bait thread.
No, he just had a complaint about the game and decided to voice it. General Discussion seems like a valid place to voice a complaint about the game.
Just because someone doesn't agree with a complaint does not mean that the complaint is invalid or that those who disagree now have carte blanc to jump down the complainant's throat, sheesh.:mad:
EDIT: I consider myself a good player. I don't think that I could squeeze 14k DPS out of non-fleet T5U Atrox carrier if I had no idea what I am doing in STO. This said, the OP's complaint does have some validity. He is not the only one who has noticed the buff Borg Spheres have gotten. As I expressed in an earlier post, I am more concerned at being attacked by a sphere than a cube.
Apparently, you didnt read all what the OP said. The OP stated couldnt kill a single sphere with his FPER.
This is a whining thread not a constructive thread.
It is true that the Borg tachyon beam were buffed. But it isnt valid that you cannot kill a single sphere although it is true that the OP cannot kill a single sphere. The mentality of whining over improvement is a spoiled brats attitude. Any player can easily improve with the current mechanics and can easily kill a single sphere with the most powerful fed ship in DPS.
Since you brought this up, I am sorry but 14k DPS is anything but a good player in PvE. 14K DPS is roughly around the DPS of a Fleet Support Pet.
What combat log parser are you running?
Because, I don't foresee a single fleet support pet, pulling those kinds of #'s with CLR!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
What STO are you playing. Number wise 8k is pretty much the baseline for your average player in STO. Anything less is mostly a drain... and anything higher then 10k can at least hold their own in any advanced queue if they know what they're doing.
So 14k is actually pretty good. They may not have the huge E-peen you have (I mean I tripped over that thing on tribble trying ot get from one side of space to the other) but with a bit of knowledge 14k will allow them to contribute to any advanced and not hold the team bback... assuming they know what they're doing. They won't get the optional of course but they'll do well enough.
Yes and as shadow said... where do yo uget that a fleet support pet is doing 14k?
Firstly, you do not decide what is or is not constructive.
Secondly, now you're calling other posters "spoiled brats" just because their opinions are different than yours. (Isn't that against the TOS? hmmmm)
Thirdly, do you really expect everyone to fly the same ship? That would make for a boring game, don't you think?
Fourthly, 14k DPS in a Caitian Atrox Carrier (not even a fleet one, btw) is actually a very good performance out of a ship that is designed from the outset as a support ship. I would really like to see what kind of DPS you can pull off with an Atrox carrier. If you can beat me, then kudos to you, but I can assure you that Atrox setups that do more damage than that are rather rare (there are a handful, though).
Fifthly (it's very rare that a post is so bad that I get to a fifth point in my rebuttal), no fleet support pet gets 14k DPS, which, whether you like it or not, severely diminishes your credibility when it comes to game mechanics and DPS statistics.
I mean, your post is not only full of inaccuracies and misrepresentations, it's also quite rude, as well.
I can abide people being wrong, but I cannot abide people being wrong and rude.
EDIT: for typos
The OPs reaction could be interpreted as complain or as whining but quiet frankly so can be urs. Correct me if Im wrong but your responses sounds like coming from someone used to easy peasy DPS chanel runs all the way.
Perhaps its time to take your awesomeness right along with your 14k pets out of the channels right into the queue list with some bad pugs more often. I can assure you that you will find a lot of further ways to improve there as well. One also does not risk to become a spoiled brat oneself.
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A lot of forum commentary from the last 6 months sounds just like that .
... with more then just a touch of citing other ppl flaws while seeing none of your own ...
Stop pugging ADVANCED they clearly stated at the launch of Delta Rising, these were going to be no longer puggable.
If your in a group, pretty much need 2 people swapping gravwells now on the nanite sphere cloud.
COUGH COUGH OVERHWLMING DPS DONT MATTER COUGH COUGH its not the (HPs either, its the SHIELD Hp )........ When your playing with a PUG group, or you dont stop them from moving, they get to the transformer.
This is why you go meet people, and play the game with them, this is why they call it MULTI-PLAYER, go make friends, and enjoy better teams