We want you for US ehm UFP army... Yay, this is not a future what i wanted (Archer cry). My toon is not a dumb poor man from USA 19.century. Where are some exploration instead of endless massacre of native species (NPCs)? This is Star Trek, not Starship troopers. The worst Trendy's blog. Ok, show me that dryads (iconians) so finally i can BFAW them out of my monitor. What next? Uninstall STO.
I just wonder why it has to be NEW players to get these new stuff for Delta Recruits?! I am not creating a new alt just to gain stuff that i can't use on my MAIN ALT THAT I'VE BEEN USING FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS! I hope this is something that you plan to change to make long time veterans like me, who is a lifetimer, feel a part of this new part of the game.
At least have an option to add the Delta Recruits as a reputation project or something. If not, then I'll for the first time be sitting out on a new part of the game as, like i've stated, have no intention of creating a new alt JUST for this.
We want you for US ehm UFP army... Yay, this is not a future what i wanted (Archer cry). My toon is not a dumb poor man from USA 19.century. Where are some exploration instead of endless massacre of native species (NPCs)? This is Star Trek, not Starship troopers. The worst Trendy's blog. Ok, show me that dryads (iconians) so finally i can BFAW them out of my monitor. What next? Uninstall STO.
Because this is a game...no one has an interest in diplomacy missions..they are boring. And stop with the Star Trek is not a war series TRIBBLE already! We all know the most popular Trek episodes and movies are the ones with battles and conflict heavy stories...Klingons, Romulans, Dominion, Borg, etc...
I just wonder why it has to be NEW players to get these new stuff for Delta Recruits?! I am not creating a new alt just to gain stuff that i can't use on my MAIN ALT THAT I'VE BEEN USING FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS! I hope this is something that you plan to change to make long time veterans like me, who is a lifetimer, feel a part of this new part of the game.
At least have an option to add the Delta Recruits as a reputation project or something. If not, then I'll for the first time be sitting out on a new part of the game as, like i've stated, have no intention of creating a new alt JUST for this.
The article didn't say new players. It said new CHARACTERS. Everyone will be getting a new character slot to make use of this new event. Forget the prizes. Forget the rewards. Roll a new character to experience the new CONTENT. We don't get new missions very often. The fact that they are doing some sort of Temporal Cold War side plots as you go through the missions could be pretty fun.
Also, when you play through the missions, do it as a Crewman, with enlisted uniforms. They want new recruit for the war effort, not a newly minted Admiral Mary Sue. ��
Because this is a game...no one has an interest in diplomacy missions..they are boring. And stop with the Star Trek is not a war series TRIBBLE already! We all know the most popular Trek episodes and movies are the ones with battles and conflict heavy stories...Klingons, Romulans, Dominion, Borg, etc...
Yes, but not all good games and movies are all actional. I know, it is harder to write good dialogue instead of good battle. Who you are, if you say: "no one has an interest, We all know..." Did you saw the last STO pool about what the players wants more in STO, where the exploration won and story content was second? Btw personally i like ST episodes the Defector, Unification, In pale moonlight, Inter arma silent leges and 1st and Generations movies.
Roll a new character to experience the new CONTENT. We don't get new missions very often. The fact that they are doing some sort of Temporal Cold War side plots as you go through the missions could be pretty fun.
You know, knowing how Cryptic like to sensationalise the smallest of things, I can't help but think that this alternate story is going to be the exact same missions but five minutes from the end of the mission some idiot is going to pop up on my screen and tell me to run over there and scan a plant because it may save the future. Then once I've scanned it I'll go back and do what I've done 15 times before with my other alts...
Unless they tell me that one of the perks of a DR alt is that maxing out his spec trees will instantly unlock them on my other 15 characters, I'm really not that excited.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
You know, knowing how Cryptic like to sensationalise the smallest of things, I can't help but think that this alternate story is going to be the exact same missions but five minutes from the end of the mission some idiot is going to pop up on my screen and tell me to run over there and scan a plant because it may save the future. Then once I've scanned it I'll go back and do what I've done 15 times before with my other alts...
Unless they tell me that one of the perks of a DR alt is that maxing out his spec trees will instantly unlock them on my other 15 characters, I'm really not that excited.
ShouLdnt the feds and kdf get the Tovan Khev experience as well. Nothing like an NPC butting into every move you make. Oh god Roms will have Tovan AND the temporal agent harrassing them as they level
ShouLdnt the feds and kdf get the Tovan Khev experience as well. Nothing like an NPC butting into every move you make. Oh god Roms will have Tovan AND the temporal agent harrassing them as they level
Spoliers, Tovan Khev is the temporal agent.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Why are people complaining about this? For the longest time people were saying this game is alt unfriendly...thy do something to make it alt friendly and people complain that Cryptic hates our main toons?
Nothing so far leads me to think that anything here has made the game more alt friendly.
Levelling isn't the reason that the game isn't alt friendly (well, 50-60 maybe). It's everything else after that.
I just wonder why it has to be NEW players to get these new stuff for Delta Recruits?! I am not creating a new alt just to gain stuff that i can't use on my MAIN ALT THAT I'VE BEEN USING FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS! I hope this is something that you plan to change to make long time veterans like me, who is a lifetimer, feel a part of this new part of the game.
At least have an option to add the Delta Recruits as a reputation project or something. If not, then I'll for the first time be sitting out on a new part of the game as, like i've stated, have no intention of creating a new alt JUST for this.
Hypothesis here...new players get new stuff to help them feel like they have something to their name when they sit next to your 5-year old main (or my ~3.5 year old main). It seems like things like better dil gain and maybe xp gain are things like offering low financing rates on a car, a limited time deal to lower the threshold to ownership.
Or, if most of the new toons are made by existing accounts, more dil/xp/etc, whether just during the even or continuing after is a way to get more toons who have the dil/ec means and a sufficient level to compete in the queues.
Lastly, and let's be fair, if they made the delta recruit thing something even resembling a project, people would just complain that it was another grind.
Guys it's pretty obvious what this is. One part is creating more money sinks....new char new gear to get etc.
The big thing though is the metrics. Cryptic needs to show that people are running the content, all of it. Old or not, not just the new stuff. They are shoehorning ppl into running eps for metrics, pure and simple.
So what we have here is Delta Grinding II: Grind Harder. The summer event will be Delta Grinding III: Grindhard With A Vengeance. After that it'll be Play For Free Or Grind Hard, and it is always a Good Day To Grind Hard in the minds of the Devs.
Without insider insight onto why they did it this way, we can't say for sure one way or another if this is primarily intended to be a draw for new players, a push to pad metrics, or an incentive for preexisting players to replay content.
It'll certainly manage all three of those things if it performs well, but we can't be claiming the intent is "obviously" any one of those.
and they try gating people into this with baits and least amount of work you could be drawn into this. so: same everything, give people acc wide items only obtainable in a limited window - get everyone to create at least one new char. (this char will need gear, will need dili for upgrades and will need a new ship maybe ...)
so step one: draw people into creating new chars, step 2: . , step 3: profit.
i mean, by now everyone must have realised that right?!
Joke's on Cryptic then! I'll just make a new mule/Contra Farmer out of the free character slot.
And anybody can add a ∆ to their name. Just copy/paste when you roll it, and no one's the wiser.
So, roll a Delta toon for toon's sake, then switch to your main, and grind Fleet Defense STF to make the Dil rain.
the current business model is to make your gear obsolete like mk-12 weapons
make your ships obsolete like T-5 to T-6
Now I fear its to make our characters obsolete along with all there bound to character gear
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
the current business model is to make your gear obsolete like mk-12 weapons
make your ships obsolete like T-5 to T-6
Now I fear its to make our characters obsolete along with all there bound to character gear
Soon in the Cstore, for 1000zen, a token to upgrade your old character, but not as good as new ones. The complete character revamp token will follow after a few months, for only 2K zen.
How about you wait until the Delta Recruitment even blogs come out before deciding that the only use for them will be a "mule" as you put it.
I will be optimistic on what cryptic has planned.
I already knows that DR is so alt unfriendly I don't have fun playing the ones I created years ago. Unless they change this situation, a new character isn't going to be suddenly more fun because he have a bunch of free goodies. And some new dialogues on top of rather unchanged missions.
In fact, those old chars already had many free goodies over the years.
I know Eliot Ness, with the IKS Untouchable will be ready to play this event, before retiring and grinding contraband. I already have more than enough alts that I don't play thanks to the game unfriendliness toward them. If it was to change, they would be the first I'd play.
the current business model is to make your gear obsolete like mk-12 weapons
make your ships obsolete like T-5 to T-6
Now I fear its to make our characters obsolete along with all there bound to character gear
It would be financial suicide for Cryptic/PWE to make beloved toons obsolete. I, for one, would never spend another dime of real money.
Also, as it is, STO has a serious "referability" problem. As much as I love the game, I find it increasing difficult to recruit others in good consciousness. I just can't do it anymore. There is just too much grind, resource sinks, and money grabs. Fleets have some good gear but for solo players or small fleets it can take forever to get it (without shopping at other fleets). Delta Rising is great in some ways, but is ridiculously alt unfriendly. The amount of grinding to get 1 specialisation point is tiresome. I have no desire to do this on any toon but my main. And then there is the planned obsolescence of ships and gear. I may be willing to put up with this, but I'm not willing to subject others to it.
If Cryptic/PWE wants the game to grow they need to stop trying to monetise everything, address the valid concerns of their players (about bugs and stuff), and make the game both awesome and referable.
If Cryptic/PWE wants the game to grow they need to stop trying to monetise everything, address the valid concerns of their players (about bugs and stuff), and make the game both awesome and referable.
I think the main thing that should be setting off the alarms over at Cryptic is that the PvPers who put up with a LOT of TRIBBLE, grind, etc who managed to work around Cryptic up until DR have finally thrown in the towel. These are the people who can be expected to grind out almost anything to keep the field balanced and/or get the upperhand and even they have given up.
That's a lot of money going to waste here, which should get the alarms going and yet it isn't, this is warning enough to the players that Cryptic simply couldn't care less what the players want. All these events, handouts, etc are screaming desperation to get players to stay or start playing while doing anything except fixing the actual problems the players are having, in some cases doing the complete opposite.
how much of a kick in the pants is this going to be for all the players that have got, and opened the JHSS*, only to not now have it on the only type of toon cryptic will be advancing in the future.
I cant see non-delta toons having any love, i can see events having 2 sets of rewards, or old toons not having any rewards.
i can see delta toon only events, andi can also see what will happen if you dont grind a delta....your main will end up nerfed, or will not be able to keep up with the power creep.
I will grind one, but not because i want to, id rather rip off my middle leg, but cause if i dont, when my main, that has ships i cant get back, millions and millions of EC investment...millions and millions of dil investment, lobi investment, all bound becomes unplayable, at least ill have some kind of back up.
*not got the JHSS yet, but feel for all thos that have, and are getting ready to be {insert name of your preferred abuse here}
Comments
At least have an option to add the Delta Recruits as a reputation project or something. If not, then I'll for the first time be sitting out on a new part of the game as, like i've stated, have no intention of creating a new alt JUST for this.
Because this is a game...no one has an interest in diplomacy missions..they are boring. And stop with the Star Trek is not a war series TRIBBLE already! We all know the most popular Trek episodes and movies are the ones with battles and conflict heavy stories...Klingons, Romulans, Dominion, Borg, etc...
The article didn't say new players. It said new CHARACTERS. Everyone will be getting a new character slot to make use of this new event. Forget the prizes. Forget the rewards. Roll a new character to experience the new CONTENT. We don't get new missions very often. The fact that they are doing some sort of Temporal Cold War side plots as you go through the missions could be pretty fun.
Also, when you play through the missions, do it as a Crewman, with enlisted uniforms. They want new recruit for the war effort, not a newly minted Admiral Mary Sue. ��
Yes, but not all good games and movies are all actional. I know, it is harder to write good dialogue instead of good battle. Who you are, if you say: "no one has an interest, We all know..." Did you saw the last STO pool about what the players wants more in STO, where the exploration won and story content was second? Btw personally i like ST episodes the Defector, Unification, In pale moonlight, Inter arma silent leges and 1st and Generations movies.
You know, knowing how Cryptic like to sensationalise the smallest of things, I can't help but think that this alternate story is going to be the exact same missions but five minutes from the end of the mission some idiot is going to pop up on my screen and tell me to run over there and scan a plant because it may save the future. Then once I've scanned it I'll go back and do what I've done 15 times before with my other alts...
Unless they tell me that one of the perks of a DR alt is that maxing out his spec trees will instantly unlock them on my other 15 characters, I'm really not that excited.
ShouLdnt the feds and kdf get the Tovan Khev experience as well. Nothing like an NPC butting into every move you make. Oh god Roms will have Tovan AND the temporal agent harrassing them as they level
Spoliers, Tovan Khev is the temporal agent.
That would just be cruel
Levelling isn't the reason that the game isn't alt friendly (well, 50-60 maybe). It's everything else after that.
Hypothesis here...new players get new stuff to help them feel like they have something to their name when they sit next to your 5-year old main (or my ~3.5 year old main). It seems like things like better dil gain and maybe xp gain are things like offering low financing rates on a car, a limited time deal to lower the threshold to ownership.
Or, if most of the new toons are made by existing accounts, more dil/xp/etc, whether just during the even or continuing after is a way to get more toons who have the dil/ec means and a sufficient level to compete in the queues.
Lastly, and let's be fair, if they made the delta recruit thing something even resembling a project, people would just complain that it was another grind.
The big thing though is the metrics. Cryptic needs to show that people are running the content, all of it. Old or not, not just the new stuff. They are shoehorning ppl into running eps for metrics, pure and simple.
That video is disturbing but so friggin entertaining at the same time.
I couldn't stop watching :eek:
Just tryin to keep track of everything he was eating.... :P
It IS very relevant!
Unfortunately, What's been seen, can't be unseen, It's going to haunt me every time I read these forums.
I Thank you for sharing. I think - :eek:
Angels and ministers of grace defend us! Don't even jest !
It'll certainly manage all three of those things if it performs well, but we can't be claiming the intent is "obviously" any one of those.
I Support Disco | Disco is Love | Disco is Life
Joke's on Cryptic then! I'll just make a new mule/Contra Farmer out of the free character slot.
And anybody can add a ∆ to their name. Just copy/paste when you roll it, and no one's the wiser.
So, roll a Delta toon for toon's sake, then switch to your main, and grind Fleet Defense STF to make the Dil rain.
How about you wait until the Delta Recruitment even blogs come out before deciding that the only use for them will be a "mule" as you put it.
I will be optimistic on what cryptic has planned.
I sure hope everyone makes a kewl new Delta Dave toon too.
Also, even in fields that allow non-alphanumerics (such as the biography field), copypasting a ∆ will display it as a question mark.
So no, you can't add a ∆ to your name. :rolleyes:
If they were selling the delta recruit token, everything would be fine. Restricting it to new toons...worries me.
make your ships obsolete like T-5 to T-6
Now I fear its to make our characters obsolete along with all there bound to character gear
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
The ONLY saving grace is that the bonuses (though we don't exactly know all of them) are account-wide.
At best, I have a feeling my Delta Recruit will be retgone from reality after outliving its usefulness.
I already knows that DR is so alt unfriendly I don't have fun playing the ones I created years ago. Unless they change this situation, a new character isn't going to be suddenly more fun because he have a bunch of free goodies. And some new dialogues on top of rather unchanged missions.
In fact, those old chars already had many free goodies over the years.
I know Eliot Ness, with the IKS Untouchable will be ready to play this event, before retiring and grinding contraband. I already have more than enough alts that I don't play thanks to the game unfriendliness toward them. If it was to change, they would be the first I'd play.
It would be financial suicide for Cryptic/PWE to make beloved toons obsolete. I, for one, would never spend another dime of real money.
Also, as it is, STO has a serious "referability" problem. As much as I love the game, I find it increasing difficult to recruit others in good consciousness. I just can't do it anymore. There is just too much grind, resource sinks, and money grabs. Fleets have some good gear but for solo players or small fleets it can take forever to get it (without shopping at other fleets). Delta Rising is great in some ways, but is ridiculously alt unfriendly. The amount of grinding to get 1 specialisation point is tiresome. I have no desire to do this on any toon but my main. And then there is the planned obsolescence of ships and gear. I may be willing to put up with this, but I'm not willing to subject others to it.
If Cryptic/PWE wants the game to grow they need to stop trying to monetise everything, address the valid concerns of their players (about bugs and stuff), and make the game both awesome and referable.
I think the main thing that should be setting off the alarms over at Cryptic is that the PvPers who put up with a LOT of TRIBBLE, grind, etc who managed to work around Cryptic up until DR have finally thrown in the towel. These are the people who can be expected to grind out almost anything to keep the field balanced and/or get the upperhand and even they have given up.
That's a lot of money going to waste here, which should get the alarms going and yet it isn't, this is warning enough to the players that Cryptic simply couldn't care less what the players want. All these events, handouts, etc are screaming desperation to get players to stay or start playing while doing anything except fixing the actual problems the players are having, in some cases doing the complete opposite.
I cant see non-delta toons having any love, i can see events having 2 sets of rewards, or old toons not having any rewards.
i can see delta toon only events, andi can also see what will happen if you dont grind a delta....your main will end up nerfed, or will not be able to keep up with the power creep.
I will grind one, but not because i want to, id rather rip off my middle leg, but cause if i dont, when my main, that has ships i cant get back, millions and millions of EC investment...millions and millions of dil investment, lobi investment, all bound becomes unplayable, at least ill have some kind of back up.
*not got the JHSS yet, but feel for all thos that have, and are getting ready to be {insert name of your preferred abuse here}