My point really being that if you're trying to pigeonhole Einstein into advocating for some religion or whatever, it's not really going to work. Einstein's reasons for what he believed had more to do with his science and less to do with faith.
To paraphrase or quote Mark Twain (i'm tired and am not looking this up) "Faith is just men believing in things they know to be damned lies."
How in the great Janeway's name is this thread not CLOSED or DELETED yet?
Possible rule change where they have become more lax. The mods have moved this thread and that other negative thread to Ten Forward, but haven't closed them so there is no other reasonable explanation for it.
I'm fairly sure that Einstein was either an atheist or an agnostic. People who say anything different are just taking his metaphors out of context in the way that he saw the universe, all its splendor and complexity as 'god'. Not God in the sense of some book written by people who knew people who knew people who said something, but god in terms of a metaphor for something beyond us... something that brings about a certain zen and humility.
actually, einstein did believe in a God. he might not have called him Jehovah or Jesus, but i'm pretty sure his god was sentient. the god of beauty, order, creation. same with michio kaku. most of the great scientists believe in a higher power. they don't believe that everything ended up the way it did by accident, when the universe could have been very chaotic and disorderly, but it's not. they don't believe in a personal god, who goes and smites the philistines for you, in michio kaku's words. but they most certainly believe in something at work that is intelligent and orders the universe.
and in answer to a previous question.... thread reported.
actually, einstein did believe in a God. he might not have called him Jehovah or Jesus, but i'm pretty sure his god was sentient. the god of beauty, order, creation. same with michio kaku. most of the great scientists believe in a higher power. they don't believe that everything ended up the way it did by accident, when the universe could have been very chaotic and disorderly, but it's not. they don't believe in a personal god, who goes and smites the philistines for you, in michio kaku's words. but they most certainly believe in something at work that is intelligent and orders the universe.
and in answer to a previous question.... thread reported.
Being agnostic and poetically referring to the great intricacies of the cosmos as 'god' are not the same thing in believing that the universe is conceived solely by a cognizant deity.
I'm fairly sure that Einstein was either an atheist or an agnostic.
Born Jewish, quasi-Deist as an adult, IIRC. Based on what I've read of him he tended to see God as a sort of universal force rather than with an anthropomorphic view as is more typical.
Of course you rush in with a completely misunderstanding of my intentions in this thread. That's par the course for you. I am not attacking his position or argument, I'm very clearly attacking the poster.
"I was paid to write an article in a magazine once, so let me tell you all about the publishing industry" isn't so much an argument as it is a pretty poor attempt at establishing thread authority. No one cares. As for the actual argument he's allegedly contributing to: science/faith/whatever, you're right, I'm not even touching it, because I honestly don't care enough to hack it all out with people on a star trek computer game forums.
So in other words, you don't want to contribute anything useful, you're just getting your daily jollies pissing people off for laughs. That about right?
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
This entire thread is a TOS violation, as are nearly all the posts contained within it, so in a way I am contributing to the spirit of the thread. So I guess to answer your question: Yes.
Well, guess what. Pissing people off for laughs, i.e. trolling, is also a TOS violation. And since you've now admitted to it...
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Being agnostic and poetically referring to the great intricacies of the cosmos as 'god' are not the same thing in believing that the universe is conceived solely by a cognizant deity.
i think you understand what i'm saying, you're just not accepting it. i actually saw an interview with michio kaku where he explained his beliefs in that area, and he used einstien as an analogy for his own beliefs. no, he doesn't believe in a personal God who answers prayer to go smite the philistines. yes, he does believe in a god that directs the universe. the universe without a directive, motivating force would be chaotic. but it's not, and he recognizes that. anything that directs and controls must by nature have an intelligence. ants have an intelligence, although greatly inferior to our own. in the same way that ants can't understand our level of intelligence, we can't understand a force that directs and controls a universe.
you're attempting to reinterpret the intentions of someone else's words because they happen to not agree with your personal beliefs. essentially saying 'i don't think that's what he really means...it's just poetry' rather than taking what they say at face value. it also insults their inteligence to imply that they didn't understand their own words coming out fo their mouths, and that they are incapable of meaning what they say.
to reiterate, einstien and kaku believe(d) in a higher power, and that higher power would exsist and operate on an intelligence we can't relate to. but also in their estimation does not make it any less aparant to them just because it is beyond their comprehension.
gravity is the common metaphor used. we can observe its effects, but we can't understand (yet) where it comes from. the same idea applys to a more etherreal God of the cosmos
Yes, I'm that Askray@Batbayer in game. Yes, I still play. No, I don't care. Former Community Moderator, Former SSR DJ, Now Full time father to two kids, Husband, Retail Worker. Tiktok: @Askray Facebook: Askray113
Comments
My point really being that if you're trying to pigeonhole Einstein into advocating for some religion or whatever, it's not really going to work. Einstein's reasons for what he believed had more to do with his science and less to do with faith.
To paraphrase or quote Mark Twain (i'm tired and am not looking this up) "Faith is just men believing in things they know to be damned lies."
Possible rule change where they have become more lax. The mods have moved this thread and that other negative thread to Ten Forward, but haven't closed them so there is no other reasonable explanation for it.
actually, einstein did believe in a God. he might not have called him Jehovah or Jesus, but i'm pretty sure his god was sentient. the god of beauty, order, creation. same with michio kaku. most of the great scientists believe in a higher power. they don't believe that everything ended up the way it did by accident, when the universe could have been very chaotic and disorderly, but it's not. they don't believe in a personal god, who goes and smites the philistines for you, in michio kaku's words. but they most certainly believe in something at work that is intelligent and orders the universe.
and in answer to a previous question.... thread reported.
Being agnostic and poetically referring to the great intricacies of the cosmos as 'god' are not the same thing in believing that the universe is conceived solely by a cognizant deity.
So in other words, you don't want to contribute anything useful, you're just getting your daily jollies pissing people off for laughs. That about right?
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Well, guess what. Pissing people off for laughs, i.e. trolling, is also a TOS violation. And since you've now admitted to it...
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
i think you understand what i'm saying, you're just not accepting it. i actually saw an interview with michio kaku where he explained his beliefs in that area, and he used einstien as an analogy for his own beliefs. no, he doesn't believe in a personal God who answers prayer to go smite the philistines. yes, he does believe in a god that directs the universe. the universe without a directive, motivating force would be chaotic. but it's not, and he recognizes that. anything that directs and controls must by nature have an intelligence. ants have an intelligence, although greatly inferior to our own. in the same way that ants can't understand our level of intelligence, we can't understand a force that directs and controls a universe.
you're attempting to reinterpret the intentions of someone else's words because they happen to not agree with your personal beliefs. essentially saying 'i don't think that's what he really means...it's just poetry' rather than taking what they say at face value. it also insults their inteligence to imply that they didn't understand their own words coming out fo their mouths, and that they are incapable of meaning what they say.
to reiterate, einstien and kaku believe(d) in a higher power, and that higher power would exsist and operate on an intelligence we can't relate to. but also in their estimation does not make it any less aparant to them just because it is beyond their comprehension.
gravity is the common metaphor used. we can observe its effects, but we can't understand (yet) where it comes from. the same idea applys to a more etherreal God of the cosmos
Former Community Moderator, Former SSR DJ, Now Full time father to two kids, Husband, Retail Worker.
Tiktok: @Askray Facebook: Askray113