No he wasn't. The quote was simply classic apologist talk trying to stop religious people being critical of science by suggesting the two are interlinked. Spirituality has as much to do with science as sub-prime mortgages have to do with plumbing.
Wow, just wow. First you say that hes wrong, now he is an apologist trying to avoid critisism of science? Pick a story and stick with it. Hey, Believe what you will, if it keeps you happy to bash people of faith, thats your world to live in. Not my issue or problem. Have fun storming the castle. 😊
A lot of armchair experts arguing with each other, convincing no one of anything, but still feeling self-important enough to comment on everything they disagree with: that sums up this - the current worst thread currently in the forums - quite nicely. Your political or religious affiliations and opinions are irrelevant, but I will say that the poster who suggested jumping off a building may be on to something -- an inadvertant flash of intelligence in a thread full of knuckle-dragging buffoonery.
Wow, just wow. First you say that hes wrong, now he is an apologist trying to avoid critisism of science? Pick a story and stick with it. Hey, Believe what you will, if it keeps you happy to bash people of faith, thats your world to live in. Not my issue or problem. Have fun storming the castle. 😊
Yes, he was wrong, science has nothing to do with faith, the second point was why he said it.
Neither of those is contradictory.
I didn't 'bash' anyone there, I said that science doesn't concern itself with matters of spirituality nor does it require it at all.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
exactly-they're totally different things. Science has as much to say about religion, as cooking spaghetti has to do with baseball, they're separate things.
Not quite.
Religion can only exist entirely outside of science, because applying scientific reasoning to religion inevitably causes its logical framework to disintegrate.
But yeah, you can't apply the methods of spaghetti cooking to baseball. Good analogy.
Yes, he was wrong, science has nothing to do with faith, the second point was why he said it.
Neither of those is contradictory.
I didn't 'bash' anyone there, I said that science doesn't concern itself with matters of spirituality nor does it require it at all.
This is where the "blindness" that he spoke of comes in to play. He wasnt wrong because you and others disagree. While a spiritual connection doesnt work for you, or some others, it works for other people and as far as I can tell, Mr. Einstein did just fine with having it. I would dare say he had forgotten more about science than you or I, combined, could ever hope to learn.
But to tell us, who have some sort of faith, that our faith has no place in Star Trek or in the future, that is bashing, and that is what has been said (as politely as I could translate it) in this thread.
The Big Bang theory fits all the available data, including some that didn't exist when it was first theorized. No other theory so far has fit the data. Therefore, we can treat the theory as factual - with a scientist's usual version of skepticism, which involves abandoning the theory should more data come to light that doesn't fit. See phlogiston and aetheric theory for examples.
Interestingly, the Big Bang also fits the Abrahamic tale of creation, if you regard those tales as metaphors dumbed down for the consumption of people with no concept of numbers larger than maybe two or three hundred (because seriously, who has more goats than that?). This may, of course, be coincidence. As Elim Garak once observed, coincidences happen all the time.
doesn't matter if it fits all available data...doesn't make it any less an unproven theory. trying to say it's 'as good as proven' to paraphrase means you stop looking for other answers or potential answers to the problem you're facing. how many times have singularities and the 'laws' governing them been rewritten hmm? even more recently the discovery that the CBR matched predicted models...and then was proven inaccurate by a more refined instrument? (kepler)
the point i made was a theory isn't concrete fact. it can alter over time as more information becomes available. what the person i quoted below doesn't seem to grasp all that well.
Those things are all theorys ~theories, germ theory is a scientific theory the same as tectonic theory, elovutanry ~evolutionary theory, big bang theory etc. Just because you only understand some of them or think you are only able to observe some of them, it dosn't ~doesn't make them any less of a theory.
I don't need to try be clever, 'I'm (not to be imodest ~immodest) am.
Do you know what grammer~grammar is or is it one of those concepts (like a dictionary) that seems to be beyond you?
A theory is not a guess, you seem to be mistaking the scientific definition for one of common ussage ~usage , that sort of argument is usualy ~usually followed by a statment ~statement about the Earth being only 6000 years old.
And you win the tribble for thoroughly unpleasant chap. Also that you for taking note of my choice of reading material, it's nice to see good literature reconised ~recognizedoccasionally.
corrected some spelling for you oh clever one...
on to correcting the rest of...whatever point you were attempting to make. read above for theory in the reply to jonsills.
who said anything about the earth being 6000 years old eh? oh wait...you're laboring under an assumption there...that i'm so kind of religious person. rofl. and yes, that was an actual laugh.
but, since i already replied to you via the information about theories, learn something. it's 'common usage' is used by anyone who understands what a theory is...it's not a fact, it's not a definitive answer, it is something that fits well with what is currently known BUT yet unproven.
you can try and split hairs all you want, make up your own definitions. the fact will remain however of what a theory is and why it is labeled as such.
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This is where the "blindness" that he spoke of comes in to play. He wasnt wrong because you and others disagree. While a spiritual connection doesnt work for you, or some others, it works for other people and as far as I can tell, Mr. Einstein did just fine with having it. I would dare say he had forgotten more about science than you or I, combined, could ever hope to learn.
But to tell us, who have some sort of faith, that our faith has no place in Star Trek or in the future, that is bashing, and that is what has been said (as politely as I could translate it) in this thread.
It doesn't matter what he said unless you are suggesting it's more true because he said it.
Spirituality has nothing to do with science, that's not an opinion it's a definition. Einstein can have all the faith he wants and in anything he wants, it still has nothing to do with his scientific achievements.
Also I never said faith or spirituality has any place anywhere, other people did, I couldn't care less as long as it's outside of science based areas.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
who said anything about the earth being 6000 years old eh? oh wait...you're laboring under an assumption there...that i'm so kind of religious person. rofl. and yes, that was an actual laugh.
No, I was making a comparison based on hyperbole, I don't think I insinuated anything about you.
but, since i already replied to you via the information about theories, learn something. it's 'common usage' is used by anyone who understands what a theory is...it's not a fact, it's not a definitive answer, it is something that fits well with what is currently known BUT yet unproven.
you can try and split hairs all you want, make up your own definitions. the fact will remain however of what a theory is and why it is labeled as such.
No. Common usage or not, in a debate about science, scientific terminology is used, in this case the scientific definition of theory is used, not your definition of 'bust guess' based on common usage.
Also I never said MY definition of anything, why would I do that? It would remove any common ground in a debate.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Thank you, I'm sure that will make your posts more legible .
You still don't know what theory means, whether it changes over time or not does not change how it is regarded now.
No, I was making a comparison based on hyperbole, I don't think I insinuated anything about you.
No. Common usage or not, in a debate about science, scientific terminology is used, in this case the scientific definition of theory is used, not your definition of 'bust guess' based on common usage.
Also I never said MY definition of anything, why would I do that? It would remove any common ground in a debate.
if you don't know the exact answer to something what are you doing when you attempt to answer anyway? even with all available knowledge at your fingertips you are still guessing...as i said, split hairs all you want. the fact remains irrefutable that a theory is something that fits known data OR is the best fit currently but is as yet unproven.
and ffs learn to read, i pointed you to my reply to jonsills AND replied again and yet a third time here. your desperation for being right is overshadowing you learning anything. that's the biggest issue with pseudo intellectuals, once they think they 'know' something they refuse to learn anything new.
Deadspace, do you have any comprehension of how science works at all? Or are you just trolling?
more than you, i've read your posts...and calling someone else a troll? coming from you that's cute...what did i run into here some kind of bro clique? not impressed.
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more than you, i've read your posts...and calling someone else a troll? coming from you that's cute...what did i run into here some kind of bro clique? not impressed.
Really? How many scientific papers have you read? How many have you written? Hmm?
I'm literally a published scientific author, dude. I know how science works.
if you don't know the exact answer to something what are you doing when you attempt to answer anyway? even with all available knowledge at your fingertips you are still guessing...as i said, split hairs all you want. the fact remains irrefutable that a theory is something that fits known data OR is the best fit currently but is as yet unproven.
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Odd, you seem to be using the rest of ours definition of theory now as opposed to you previous one.
and ffs learn to read, i pointed you to my reply to jonsills AND replied again and yet a third time here. your desperation for being right is overshadowing you learning anything. that's the biggest issue with pseudo intellectuals, once they think they 'know' something they refuse to learn anything new.
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Pseudo-intellectual eh? Odd words coming from someone who refuses to learn anything and wont because that would get in the way of you being 'right'.
more than you, i've read your posts...and calling someone else a troll? coming from you that's cute...what did i run into here some kind of bro clique? not impressed.
Out on a limb here, but I'd generally classify the one in a thread who can't use capital letters as the troll.
If some of us here failed to understand our own words we'd not be doing very well at our jobs in RL, I'd certainly not be very far without a working definition of a theory and how it differs from a hypothesis. It's hard to get my papers peer reviewed with that attitude.
However now you just seem to be descending into petty quibbles with no substance, it's a bit dull now .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It doesn't matter what he said unless you are suggesting it's more true because he said it.
Spirituality has nothing to do with science, that's not an opinion it's a definition. Einstein can have all the faith he wants and in anything he wants, it still has nothing to do with his scientific achievements.
Also I never said faith or spirituality has any place anywhere, other people did, I couldn't care less as long as it's outside of science based areas.
I am saying that he was a great scientist, a person of spirit, and had an open mind. When I quoted him, you said he was wrong, thats your opinion, unless you have some way to prove he is wrong, which you cant, it is your opinion. As a celebrated member of the scientific community, his statement does hold water in this matter than you or I.
And as much as you say his spirituality has nothing to do with his scientific achievements, maybe the part of him that was spiritual helped keep him centered and allowed him to achieve more of what he did than if he hadnt it. But thats conjecture, but just as much as saying he didnt, isnt it?
As fa as you not saying not having a place in the future or Star Trek, you may have not said it, but I was more or less answering two points of view with on post, I appologize for that confusion. But do tell, do you believe there is room for faith in the future and in Star Trek?
I was literally paid two and a half thousand dollars for a multiyear bird study with MONTHS of data analysis and statistical simulations.
Don't you dare try to justify bad science by using ad hominems on the people who call out the bad science.
So because something you wrote got published, that means you know everything there is to know about science and anyone who disagrees with you is a 'loser?'
So because something you wrote got published, that means you know everything there is to know about science and anyone who disagrees with you is a 'loser?'
No, it means that I know how science works.
And I have the authority to say when someone isn't following scientific principles. As the deadspace commenter is.
I am saying that he was a great scientist, a person of spirit, and had an open mind. When I quoted him, you said he was wrong, thats your opinion, unless you have some way to prove he is wrong, which you cant, it is your opinion. As a celebrated member of the scientific community, his statement does hold water in this matter than you or I.
And as much as you say his spirituality has nothing to do with his scientific achievements, maybe the part of him that was spiritual helped keep him centered and allowed him to achieve more of what he did than if he hadnt it. But thats conjecture, but just as much as saying he didnt, isnt it?
As fa as you not saying not having a place in the future or Star Trek, you may have not said it, but I was more or less answering two points of view with on post, I appologize for that confusion. But do tell, do you believe there is room for faith in the future and in Star Trek?
'Science without religion is lame' is a bad statement to make, it is just wrong.
As for faith in the future and in sT, it will likely always be there, I just will most likely stop influencing decisions.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
For a student at a Quaker college, you're so pretty full of yourself. "I was published in high school, let me tell all of you how science works." Your constant need to be some voice of authority on a Star Trek game forums often ends in derision and people taking you even less seriously than before.
Quaint, coming from a boy who lives in his mom's basement and eats Cheetos 3 meals a day.
'nobody cares how much you know, until they know how much you care'. your assumptions about other people here are completely emotional, baseless, without any support of fact, and without merit. that doesn't sound like an empirically minded scientist to me.
Agreed. It would be interesting to see what happens to people on a Cheetos diet. Personally, I would be more interested in how viable Cheetos is as an ingredient. It would work well as a burger topping provided you like some crunch in your burger.
For a student at a Quaker college, you're so pretty full of yourself. "I was published in high school, let me tell all of you how science works." Your constant need to be some voice of authority on a Star Trek game forums often ends in derision and people taking you even less seriously than before.
And yet you seem to have no way to disprove his actual argument. Otherwise you would be making a rebuttal instead of relying on ad hominems and red herrings to change the topic. Typical Dental tactics.
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I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
This is where the "blindness" that he spoke of comes in to play. He wasnt wrong because you and others disagree. While a spiritual connection doesnt work for you, or some others, it works for other people and as far as I can tell, Mr. Einstein did just fine with having it. I would dare say he had forgotten more about science than you or I, combined, could ever hope to learn.
But to tell us, who have some sort of faith, that our faith has no place in Star Trek or in the future, that is bashing, and that is what has been said (as politely as I could translate it) in this thread.
I'm fairly sure that Einstein was either an atheist or an agnostic. People who say anything different are just taking his metaphors out of context in the way that he saw the universe, all its splendor and complexity as 'god'. Not God in the sense of some book written by people who knew people who knew people who said something, but god in terms of a metaphor for something beyond us... something that brings about a certain zen and humility.
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Wow, just wow. First you say that hes wrong, now he is an apologist trying to avoid critisism of science? Pick a story and stick with it. Hey, Believe what you will, if it keeps you happy to bash people of faith, thats your world to live in. Not my issue or problem. Have fun storming the castle. 😊
Pot, meet kettle.
Yes, he was wrong, science has nothing to do with faith, the second point was why he said it.
Neither of those is contradictory.
I didn't 'bash' anyone there, I said that science doesn't concern itself with matters of spirituality nor does it require it at all.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Not quite.
Religion can only exist entirely outside of science, because applying scientific reasoning to religion inevitably causes its logical framework to disintegrate.
But yeah, you can't apply the methods of spaghetti cooking to baseball.
This is where the "blindness" that he spoke of comes in to play. He wasnt wrong because you and others disagree. While a spiritual connection doesnt work for you, or some others, it works for other people and as far as I can tell, Mr. Einstein did just fine with having it. I would dare say he had forgotten more about science than you or I, combined, could ever hope to learn.
But to tell us, who have some sort of faith, that our faith has no place in Star Trek or in the future, that is bashing, and that is what has been said (as politely as I could translate it) in this thread.
doesn't matter if it fits all available data...doesn't make it any less an unproven theory. trying to say it's 'as good as proven' to paraphrase means you stop looking for other answers or potential answers to the problem you're facing. how many times have singularities and the 'laws' governing them been rewritten hmm? even more recently the discovery that the CBR matched predicted models...and then was proven inaccurate by a more refined instrument? (kepler)
the point i made was a theory isn't concrete fact. it can alter over time as more information becomes available. what the person i quoted below doesn't seem to grasp all that well.
corrected some spelling for you oh clever one...
on to correcting the rest of...whatever point you were attempting to make. read above for theory in the reply to jonsills.
who said anything about the earth being 6000 years old eh? oh wait...you're laboring under an assumption there...that i'm so kind of religious person. rofl. and yes, that was an actual laugh.
but, since i already replied to you via the information about theories, learn something. it's 'common usage' is used by anyone who understands what a theory is...it's not a fact, it's not a definitive answer, it is something that fits well with what is currently known BUT yet unproven.
you can try and split hairs all you want, make up your own definitions. the fact will remain however of what a theory is and why it is labeled as such.
Donate Brains, zombies in Washington DC are starving.
It doesn't matter what he said unless you are suggesting it's more true because he said it.
Spirituality has nothing to do with science, that's not an opinion it's a definition. Einstein can have all the faith he wants and in anything he wants, it still has nothing to do with his scientific achievements.
Also I never said faith or spirituality has any place anywhere, other people did, I couldn't care less as long as it's outside of science based areas.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Thank you, I'm sure that will make your posts more legible
You still don't know what theory means, whether it changes over time or not does not change how it is regarded now.
No, I was making a comparison based on hyperbole, I don't think I insinuated anything about you.
No. Common usage or not, in a debate about science, scientific terminology is used, in this case the scientific definition of theory is used, not your definition of 'bust guess' based on common usage.
Also I never said MY definition of anything, why would I do that? It would remove any common ground in a debate.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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if you don't know the exact answer to something what are you doing when you attempt to answer anyway? even with all available knowledge at your fingertips you are still guessing...as i said, split hairs all you want. the fact remains irrefutable that a theory is something that fits known data OR is the best fit currently but is as yet unproven.
and ffs learn to read, i pointed you to my reply to jonsills AND replied again and yet a third time here. your desperation for being right is overshadowing you learning anything. that's the biggest issue with pseudo intellectuals, once they think they 'know' something they refuse to learn anything new.
more than you, i've read your posts...and calling someone else a troll? coming from you that's cute...what did i run into here some kind of bro clique? not impressed.
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Really? How many scientific papers have you read? How many have you written? Hmm?
I'm literally a published scientific author, dude. I know how science works.
You do not.
Odd, you seem to be using the rest of ours definition of theory now as opposed to you previous one.
Pseudo-intellectual eh? Odd words coming from someone who refuses to learn anything and wont because that would get in the way of you being 'right'.
Out on a limb here, but I'd generally classify the one in a thread who can't use capital letters as the troll.
If some of us here failed to understand our own words we'd not be doing very well at our jobs in RL, I'd certainly not be very far without a working definition of a theory and how it differs from a hypothesis. It's hard to get my papers peer reviewed with that attitude.
However now you just seem to be descending into petty quibbles with no substance, it's a bit dull now
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Sure you are, next you will be telling us you vomitted in your toilet because some guy has a point of view different than yours.
I am saying that he was a great scientist, a person of spirit, and had an open mind. When I quoted him, you said he was wrong, thats your opinion, unless you have some way to prove he is wrong, which you cant, it is your opinion. As a celebrated member of the scientific community, his statement does hold water in this matter than you or I.
And as much as you say his spirituality has nothing to do with his scientific achievements, maybe the part of him that was spiritual helped keep him centered and allowed him to achieve more of what he did than if he hadnt it. But thats conjecture, but just as much as saying he didnt, isnt it?
As fa as you not saying not having a place in the future or Star Trek, you may have not said it, but I was more or less answering two points of view with on post, I appologize for that confusion. But do tell, do you believe there is room for faith in the future and in Star Trek?
I'm published, loser.
I was literally paid two and a half thousand dollars for a multiyear bird study with MONTHS of data analysis and statistical simulations.
Don't you dare try to justify bad science by using ad hominems on the people who call out the bad science.
So because something you wrote got published, that means you know everything there is to know about science and anyone who disagrees with you is a 'loser?'
No, it means that I know how science works.
And I have the authority to say when someone isn't following scientific principles. As the deadspace commenter is.
'Science without religion is lame' is a bad statement to make, it is just wrong.
As for faith in the future and in sT, it will likely always be there, I just will most likely stop influencing decisions.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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He never said "lame", read it again.
Quaint, coming from a boy who lives in his mom's basement and eats Cheetos 3 meals a day.
This is getting interesting *eats popcorn.*
Agreed. It would be interesting to see what happens to people on a Cheetos diet. Personally, I would be more interested in how viable Cheetos is as an ingredient. It would work well as a burger topping provided you like some crunch in your burger.
And yet you seem to have no way to disprove his actual argument. Otherwise you would be making a rebuttal instead of relying on ad hominems and red herrings to change the topic. Typical Dental tactics.
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I'm fairly sure that Einstein was either an atheist or an agnostic. People who say anything different are just taking his metaphors out of context in the way that he saw the universe, all its splendor and complexity as 'god'. Not God in the sense of some book written by people who knew people who knew people who said something, but god in terms of a metaphor for something beyond us... something that brings about a certain zen and humility.