I have no doubt Dental were not the only ones, however, the fact they came out trying to justify their actions, not to mention play the victim and claim that everyone else was over-reacting, has put the focus on them...
Dental's stance was to point out that people mourn in different ways, I know of people who have come out and said flatly they went there to grief for the simple fact that this whole situation is wayyy overblown.
Again, I understand that that might be the point of some of their antics, but my problem is
1) It can be excessive
2) It can be inappropriate, such as in this instance
3) When politely asked to stop, some do not. I get that some people can be less than polite when they ask, but they are still causing problems for the more polite and rational people if they continue to troll because of the impolite folk.
4) Rather than owning up to that being their objective, they try to distort the matter, make it seem like that wasn't their intention, or even turns thing around to make it out like they are the actual "victims".
So in the end, it's still dishonest and disruptive, regardless of their "true" intentions.
Fair enough and thanks for detailing your thinking instead of replying with 5 words as some have.
You know what they are known to be a fleet that takes it as a challenge to light the game. I understand how most people don't like the idea of trolling. I will admit when I see nabreeki toon or even there Sig, I chuckle. Some times (a lot of times) far to many people take this game as serious business.
On your second point you know what... it is possible that some may have in fact went to far. However there was a lumping together of everyone (I stand by my estimate of around 200 people) that went to Vulcan to Celebrate and have a good time. (yes I said that and no its not offensive... for many of us when a respected elder passes you remember there lives and celebrate. and I am talking real life now now in a video game... I'm not role playing some honured dead Klingon Deal or something). In life I don't drink accept for Wakes, where I will knock a few back as a toast.
I won't speak to what has happened in the past with any situations I wasn't involved in however yes yesterday I myself was harassed. Given the nature of the gathering I choose not to report anyone... even though "I hope you Die." ect is more then grounds to get people removed.
On your forth Point... don't get me wrong... I am a big boy and can handle a few threats and a couple goofs following me standing on my heals threatening to report me and claim to be screen shoting me ect... Who cares. I'm not a victim it doesn't bother me. I won't speak for anyone from Dental, however I doubt they feel all that upset by what happened either. I would imagine they didn't report anyone that took there get lost troll stuff to another level either.
In this case I think we will simply have to agree to disagree. I didn't find what happened yesterday disruptive at all. The wish everyone could have just smiled and be happy all aspects of this game came together in one place for one purpose. I guess that would be expecting a bit to much.
At this point there isn't anything left to argue about anyway. The dental guys have staked out zones at this point as I understand it... and I admit I am not sure if Cryptic still has one zone with disabled party gear or not. Regardless its my understanding things are more "respectful" tonight. Really though I believe that yesterday was mostly a misunderstanding, that would have been hard to avoid with the way Cryptics 50 people in a zone... and 30 or so zones would allow.
I have never ever ever called anyone a while knight. For the record. Find the post where I used such a term and I will gladly eat some crow. I am getting older, however my memory isn't that far gone.
Having done a search, I think you have me there and I'll concede I must have you confused with other posters... Apologies...
As for rationalizing behaviour. As I have explained. I am not a dental nor do I care to much what anyone chooses to think of them. I am simply pointing out that 10,000 (- the 40 or so actual Nerds of Prey/dental folks) are only to happy to avail yourselves of there kindness, when your sharing fleet holdings.
The behvaiour I have been defending all day in this thread... is my own. Again read what I have posted previously. I was present for a good chunk of time yesterday, some people did take issue with my chosen method of morning. Some I bothered explaining things to and I think a few got it, a few where still upset... and frankly I don't apologize for it at all. I did attempt to explain it... and clearly that seems to be wasted time.
Unfortunately, you may only be trying to defend your own behaviour, but in doing so you did try and rationalise Dentals' behaviour by detailing some of the good they do for the community, which is about where I chimed in...
No matter how much good they might do overall, it does not mean intentional griefing of this event was acceptable, which was what I had said in this case...
Dental's stance was to point out that people mourn in different ways, I know of people who have come out and said flatly they went there to grief for the simple fact that this whole situation is wayyy overblown.
None who said that were Dental members.
Yes, that was the justification and defense they used for their actions, however Nabreeki himself, and others, openly acknowledged what was going on...
Everyone points a finger at Dental for the disco balls on Vulcan, has anyone really looked at the fleet tags of the people who are really popping them?
It was Nabreeki who walked up to my fleetmates as we were lining up for a group photo on Vulcan, to mark the occasion, and put a disco ball above us, interrupting us Nd ruining what we were trying to do. As far as fleet tags go, his is on the bottom of his posts. There were other Starfleet Dental tagged members doing the same. He had been asked several hours before, in the forums, to not do this to people and why they didnt want him and his ilk to do it, yet he continued doing it to people hours later.
If he and the others had confined their behavior after they read the other peoples requests, that would have been one thing, but they told people they wouldnt and then continued disrupting people as if they wanted to upset other people. If he had put the ball on top of his own group and not spread it to thers, I believe this wouldnt have been an issue, but they tried to force it on other people who had their own right to be treatedwith respect, which they were not. The problem has not been the fact that they wanted to party, its that they wanted to force others to party.
This is beginning to be a moot point, but yes, I did admit it. It is also true that there were 20 instances, 1000 players, and six Dentals. There were lots of other people dropping disco balls, which inevitable got attributed to us. Dental's role, I think, was overblown here. However, I stand by all previous posts made in this thread and others regarding this subject.
It's been done to death.
If you really didn't pop the disco balls to grief, please appologize to those that you had disrupted. Personally, I am not looking to condemn a fleet, I could care less. I just would like to see that you understand that you disrupted people and can show some sensitivity towards that point. I think its great if you confine the instances where you are doing it now, I just wish you had done that when people first posted their requests.
In this case I think we will simply have to agree to disagree.
Indeed, that's probably the only thing we can concretely agree upon, and why I'm slowly trying to back my way out of this discussion, and hope it is winding down in general.
None of us are likely going to be able to convince anyone who participated in the trolling that their behavior was disruptive, disrespectful, and inappropriate, any more than they, or those who condone/didn't mind their behavior, are going to convince us to "lighten up" and stop taking things so seriously.
In the end, while people will still probably remember this incident and who participated in it, this whole hullabaloo is still going to eventually fade as time goes by. The problem is, while this is the most recent and glaring example, this is whole thing is representative of a larger issue with the community of this game, which has only gotten worse with the pressure that has come from the grindier elements introduced in DR. And not only do I not see that issue getting cleared up anytime, but it's inevitably going to flare up again at some point in the future....
"There will never be enough blood to wash away my need for vengeance! A single world...I could destroy a million worlds and it would not be enough! Your existence is an insult to the memory of my people! I will continue my fight, even if I must fight alone!"
Indeed, that's probably the only thing we can concretely agree upon, and why I'm slowly trying to back my way out of this discussion, and hope it is winding down in general.
None of us are likely going to be able to convince anyone who participated in the trolling that their behavior was disruptive, disrespectful, and inappropriate, any more than they, or those who condone/didn't mind their behavior, are going to convince us to "lighten up" and stop taking things so seriously.
In the end, while people will still probably remember this incident and who participated in it, this whole hullabaloo is still going to eventually fade as time goes by. The problem is, while this is the most recent and glaring example, this is whole thing is representative of a larger issue with the community of this game, which has only gotten worse with the pressure that has come from the grindier elements introduced in DR. And not only do I not see that issue getting cleared up anytime, but it's inevitably going to flare up again at some point in the future....
Likewise, as clearly we can't even convince you that the behaviour your talking about wasn't in fact trolling.
In this case it wasn't about lightening up (I think when I mentioned such earlier it was about the whole dancing ball thing in general) there was an honest celebration going on.
In any event.. thanks for the reasoned discourse on the subject... at least we can all agree Mr. Nimoy had a great life and he left many works for us to appreciate. LLAP
If you really didn't pop the disco balls to grief, please appologize to those that you had disrupted. Personally, I am not looking to condemn a fleet, I could care less. I just would like to see that you understand that you disrupted people and can show some sensitivity towards that point. I think its great if you confine the instances where you are doing it now, I just wish you had done that when people first posted their requests.
Oh Nabreeki understands alright. He had every intention of doing what it is he accomplished there. This is not the first time Nabreeki and his Fleet of Griefers have been blasted for their behavior in game on these forums. And its unlikely he will apologize for his behavior as he set out to do what it is hes accused of. On the off chance that he does apologize it wont be sincere because again, its not the first time hes done this sort of thing. And it wont be the last.
Likewise, as clearly we can't even convince you that the behaviour your talking about wasn't in fact trolling.
In this case it wasn't about lightening up (I think when I mentioned such earlier it was about the whole dancing ball thing in general) there was an honest celebration going on.
In any event.. thanks for the reasoned discourse on the subject... at least we can all agree Mr. Nimoy had a great life and he left many works for us to appreciate. LLAP
Were'nt you done with this thread? Were'nt you going to move on to other discussions because you know. Not that you needed the final word or anything but yeah?
I witnessed delta's b.s. behaviour as well. There were about 20 of us and then this delta dweeb started telling with disco balls party horns and running in and it off the crowd that was assembled there. Delta is simply put a fleet of grievers and the devs need to disband their fleet. Since when does a group of morons get away with it. Massive fail from cryptic refusal to do anything about it. The game is becoming a grievers paradise. Time to step up cryptic. It's in your rules about harassing players and you need to follow thru. Disband their fleet and ban their accounts and then we'll see if they think they're so funny. Fails
Everyone of my fleet members that was on Vulcan the other day has gone and bought himself a nullifier.
We plan on going back to Vulcan at some point soon to talk all things Nimoy again.
I'm on my daughters laptop at the mo, but I have two screenshots on my PC, the first of a nice circle of people, all saying nice words, stood to attention. The second is total chaos with 5 disco balls in the air at once and AOE everywhere with people scattering left and right, balloons everywhere.
And we all know who was responsible for that. Not a single complaint before in zone chat, just nice respectful words. And within one hour of those individuals showing up I see allot of flame, vitriol and complaints in zone.
Now don't get me wrong I totally understand the "lets celebrate" mantra if that is indeed your thing, but those guys went from instance to instance systematically pissing people off and causing trouble. Then even had the gaul to call everyone complaining about them in chat homophobes... I mean seriously...
Im also all for disco balls in general, time and place etc. But they knew they were going to cause trouble when they showed up, thats what they do.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
...
And we all know who was responsible for that. Not a single complaint before in zone chat, just nice respectful words. And within one hour of those individuals showing up I see allot of flame, vitriol and complaints ...
So I take it that as long as everyone behaved as they demanded the flame trolls just stewed silently. Then launched all their hate as soon as someone who didn't behave as they commanded showed up, yes?
Just as a general rule, the planet Vulcan isn't what most folks would call a logical or ideal spot for the considered use of the disco ball interactions.
The obvious solution would be for Cryptic to just disable their use in that location.
I have no idea whether this is at all feasible within the software, but it would certainly curtail a lot of the discussion.
Of course, just quickly closing threads like these, would probably be a much easier solution.
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So I take it that as long as everyone behaved as they demanded the flame trolls just stewed silently. Then launched all their hate as soon as someone who didn't behave as they commanded showed up, yes?
It wasnt whom you called "flametrolls" that demanded anything. Those who popped the discoballs, that effects are to force people to dance, were. The people there were minding their own business before the people in question disrupted them. If people want to remember Mr. Nimoy by being somber, let them. If you want to pop a party ball and dance, do it where you dontforce others to participate, its that simple. I would have cared less if someone had popped it just on themselves on willing participants where we could see it. It was the direct targeting lf others and forcing them to to things they wanted to do that I have an issue with. If they somber ones wanted to dance, they could have done an emote, but they didnt. The people who were standing quietly were intentionally griefed upon, that is the problem.
Of course, just quickly closing threads like these, would probably be a much easier solution.
The purpose of this thread was to inform people of the existence of nullifiers and where to purchase them, with a dash of negativity to hopefully prompt Cryptic to do something to improve the situation.
It would not have been effective if it had been closed and allowed to fall off the first page.
"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." - Aristotle
It wasnt whom you called "flametrolls" that demanded anything. Those who popped the discoballs, that effects are to force people to dance, were. The people there were minding their own business before the people in question disrupted them. If people want to remember Mr. Nimoy by being somber, let them. If you want to pop a party ball and dance, do it where you dontforce others to participate, its that simple. I would have cared less if someone had popped it just on themselves on willing participants where we could see it. It was the direct targeting lf others and forcing them to to things they wanted to do that I have an issue with. If they somber ones wanted to dance, they could have done an emote, but they didnt. The people who were standing quietly were intentionally griefed upon, that is the problem.
Hmmm... now correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that a discoball in a video game forces PEOPLE to do anything. It makes the cartoon character in the video game do something, which if you don't like it easily countered by several methods which have been explained ad nauseum.
The real matter here is 'serious business' people versus 'lets have fun' people at the remembrance. Since it's happening in a social zone, they interact, which the 'serious business' people seem to have more of a problem with, and begin spewing hate. I know, I've been there every day. I've been in instances with seven or eight partiers running around pumping discoballs at every corner of the fountain, without a word spoken. People continue to chat about Leonard Nimoy and have a wide range of interactions.
I was also in a instance today where one individual began cursing someone (not a dentist) because he dared to spawn a pet at the fountain.
I saw people being harassed for standing on the fountain on zone 1. I saw people being harassed for not saluting when some rage spammer ordered them too.
So from where I'm looking, it appears that the dentists are just an easy target for ragers in the forum, if they weren't popping discoballs, this conversation would be about how unrespectful people are daring to have their pets at Vulcan, or not saluting when some over the top role player orders them to.
NO THANKS! Bring on SFD! 24x7 every corner of every instance, pop those party poppers, give us balloons, celebrate Leonard Nimoy with bright colors and silly dances. Because the alternative is very un-Trek.
I mistyped the other day and spawned a security team, I immediately stepped out of the circle and backed off until they disappeared before re-joining.
I received several angry pm's from those understandably irked, several "I see the mis-type, good move", followed by several "ah no problem" pm's once I had explained my mistake.
Mistakes happen.
That is just an example of one or two things I have seen in the circle by people who have been there for some time and genuinely made a mis-type.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
I mistyped the other day and spawned a security team, I immediately stepped out of the circle and backed off until they disappeared before re-joining.
I received several angry pm's from those understandably irked, several "I see the mis-type, good move", followed by several "ah no problem" pm's once I had explained my mistake.
Mistakes happen.
That is just an example of one or two things I have seen in the circle by people who have been there for some time and genuinely made a mis-type.
You would really count as friends people that would get on you for spawning a FAKE item in a game filled with FAKE pixels.
I would have excused myself from the company, not the circle.
I mistyped the other day and spawned a security team, I immediately stepped out of the circle and backed off until they disappeared before re-joining.
I received several angry pm's from those understandably irked, several "I see the mis-type, good move", followed by several "ah no problem" pm's once I had explained my mistake.
Mistakes happen.
That is just an example of one or two things I have seen in the circle by people who have been there for some time and genuinely made a mis-type.
See my above post.
Just because you don't want to have a celebration of Leonard Nimoy and want to roleplay yourself as the most distraught person in game doesn't make one iota of difference to me. Fine you mistyped. I don't care. What someone else does on Vulcan with their cartoon person I don't give a fig.
I'm there to chat with people to share about a real person who really died. You roleplay whatever you want, doesn't affect what I'm there for anymore than the discoballs do.
Usually, I would agree with you, but this is a case where players came to a place with the intention of solemnenity and were intentionally disrupted by the disco ball people. People complained to the disco ball people in the forums and the disco ball people refused to respect the requests and wishes of the other people, for several hours. That is definately disrespectful. They should have the common decency to leave people alone on e they have heard that they were offending people, but they actually increased the activity, that is definatey greifing, not greiving.
I was referring to their regular use in places like ESD, new rom and such.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Hmmm... now correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that a discoball in a video game forces PEOPLE to do anything. It makes the cartoon character in the video game do something, which if you don't like it easily countered by several methods which have been explained ad nauseum.
The real matter here is 'serious business' people versus 'lets have fun' people at the remembrance. Since it's happening in a social zone, they interact, which the 'serious business' people seem to have more of a problem with, and begin spewing hate. I know, I've been there every day. I've been in instances with seven or eight partiers running around pumping discoballs at every corner of the fountain, without a word spoken. People continue to chat about Leonard Nimoy and have a wide range of interactions.
I was also in a instance today where one individual began cursing someone (not a dentist) because he dared to spawn a pet at the fountain.
I saw people being harassed for standing on the fountain on zone 1. I saw people being harassed for not saluting when some rage spammer ordered them too.
So from where I'm looking, it appears that the dentists are just an easy target for ragers in the forum, if they weren't popping discoballs, this conversation would be about how unrespectful people are daring to have their pets at Vulcan, or not saluting when some over the top role player orders them to.
NO THANKS! Bring on SFD! 24x7 every corner of every instance, pop those party poppers, give us balloons, celebrate Leonard Nimoy with bright colors and silly dances. Because the alternative is very un-Trek.
First off, I dont care what fleet did it, I am not asking for punitive action against anyone. I could care less about the balloons. I just would like those who did it to be respectful of others.
As far as them not making people do thing they didnt want, if people wanted to dance, they could have used their own emotes to dance. People asked in the forums for the ball throwers to dont do it because they did t want to dance, yet the throwers kept it up and put them centered on groups. My fleet left one instance where the people in question were throwing balls to make us dance for another where they were t at and they followed us and did it again.
The people who were going off because of the pets and such were wrong too, no one should tell another how to show their respect to Mr. Nimoy, but they shouldnt directly interferre with how others are showing thier respect. Popping the disco balls and forcing the characters to dance interferred with the wishes of how others wanted to show their respects. Cant you see how that is inconsiderate and disruptive?
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Dental's stance was to point out that people mourn in different ways, I know of people who have come out and said flatly they went there to grief for the simple fact that this whole situation is wayyy overblown.
None who said that were Dental members.
Fair enough and thanks for detailing your thinking instead of replying with 5 words as some have.
You know what they are known to be a fleet that takes it as a challenge to light the game. I understand how most people don't like the idea of trolling. I will admit when I see nabreeki toon or even there Sig, I chuckle. Some times (a lot of times) far to many people take this game as serious business.
On your second point you know what... it is possible that some may have in fact went to far. However there was a lumping together of everyone (I stand by my estimate of around 200 people) that went to Vulcan to Celebrate and have a good time. (yes I said that and no its not offensive... for many of us when a respected elder passes you remember there lives and celebrate. and I am talking real life now now in a video game... I'm not role playing some honured dead Klingon Deal or something). In life I don't drink accept for Wakes, where I will knock a few back as a toast.
I won't speak to what has happened in the past with any situations I wasn't involved in however yes yesterday I myself was harassed. Given the nature of the gathering I choose not to report anyone... even though "I hope you Die." ect is more then grounds to get people removed.
On your forth Point... don't get me wrong... I am a big boy and can handle a few threats and a couple goofs following me standing on my heals threatening to report me and claim to be screen shoting me ect... Who cares. I'm not a victim it doesn't bother me. I won't speak for anyone from Dental, however I doubt they feel all that upset by what happened either. I would imagine they didn't report anyone that took there get lost troll stuff to another level either.
In this case I think we will simply have to agree to disagree. I didn't find what happened yesterday disruptive at all. The wish everyone could have just smiled and be happy all aspects of this game came together in one place for one purpose. I guess that would be expecting a bit to much.
At this point there isn't anything left to argue about anyway. The dental guys have staked out zones at this point as I understand it... and I admit I am not sure if Cryptic still has one zone with disabled party gear or not. Regardless its my understanding things are more "respectful" tonight. Really though I believe that yesterday was mostly a misunderstanding, that would have been hard to avoid with the way Cryptics 50 people in a zone... and 30 or so zones would allow.
Yes, but I was saying, they were not the only ones, and those non-dentals did it for the sole purpose of griefing.
Having done a search, I think you have me there and I'll concede I must have you confused with other posters... Apologies...
Unfortunately, you may only be trying to defend your own behaviour, but in doing so you did try and rationalise Dentals' behaviour by detailing some of the good they do for the community, which is about where I chimed in...
No matter how much good they might do overall, it does not mean intentional griefing of this event was acceptable, which was what I had said in this case...
Yes, that was the justification and defense they used for their actions, however Nabreeki himself, and others, openly acknowledged what was going on...
I mean that in all seriousness.
It was Nabreeki who walked up to my fleetmates as we were lining up for a group photo on Vulcan, to mark the occasion, and put a disco ball above us, interrupting us Nd ruining what we were trying to do. As far as fleet tags go, his is on the bottom of his posts. There were other Starfleet Dental tagged members doing the same. He had been asked several hours before, in the forums, to not do this to people and why they didnt want him and his ilk to do it, yet he continued doing it to people hours later.
If he and the others had confined their behavior after they read the other peoples requests, that would have been one thing, but they told people they wouldnt and then continued disrupting people as if they wanted to upset other people. If he had put the ball on top of his own group and not spread it to thers, I believe this wouldnt have been an issue, but they tried to force it on other people who had their own right to be treatedwith respect, which they were not. The problem has not been the fact that they wanted to party, its that they wanted to force others to party.
If you really didn't pop the disco balls to grief, please appologize to those that you had disrupted. Personally, I am not looking to condemn a fleet, I could care less. I just would like to see that you understand that you disrupted people and can show some sensitivity towards that point. I think its great if you confine the instances where you are doing it now, I just wish you had done that when people first posted their requests.
Indeed, that's probably the only thing we can concretely agree upon, and why I'm slowly trying to back my way out of this discussion, and hope it is winding down in general.
None of us are likely going to be able to convince anyone who participated in the trolling that their behavior was disruptive, disrespectful, and inappropriate, any more than they, or those who condone/didn't mind their behavior, are going to convince us to "lighten up" and stop taking things so seriously.
In the end, while people will still probably remember this incident and who participated in it, this whole hullabaloo is still going to eventually fade as time goes by. The problem is, while this is the most recent and glaring example, this is whole thing is representative of a larger issue with the community of this game, which has only gotten worse with the pressure that has come from the grindier elements introduced in DR. And not only do I not see that issue getting cleared up anytime, but it's inevitably going to flare up again at some point in the future....
Likewise, as clearly we can't even convince you that the behaviour your talking about wasn't in fact trolling.
In this case it wasn't about lightening up (I think when I mentioned such earlier it was about the whole dancing ball thing in general) there was an honest celebration going on.
In any event.. thanks for the reasoned discourse on the subject... at least we can all agree Mr. Nimoy had a great life and he left many works for us to appreciate. LLAP
Oh Nabreeki understands alright. He had every intention of doing what it is he accomplished there. This is not the first time Nabreeki and his Fleet of Griefers have been blasted for their behavior in game on these forums. And its unlikely he will apologize for his behavior as he set out to do what it is hes accused of. On the off chance that he does apologize it wont be sincere because again, its not the first time hes done this sort of thing. And it wont be the last.
Were'nt you done with this thread? Were'nt you going to move on to other discussions because you know. Not that you needed the final word or anything but yeah?
People demanding bans should be banned! Oh, wait...
We plan on going back to Vulcan at some point soon to talk all things Nimoy again.
I'm on my daughters laptop at the mo, but I have two screenshots on my PC, the first of a nice circle of people, all saying nice words, stood to attention. The second is total chaos with 5 disco balls in the air at once and AOE everywhere with people scattering left and right, balloons everywhere.
And we all know who was responsible for that. Not a single complaint before in zone chat, just nice respectful words. And within one hour of those individuals showing up I see allot of flame, vitriol and complaints in zone.
Now don't get me wrong I totally understand the "lets celebrate" mantra if that is indeed your thing, but those guys went from instance to instance systematically pissing people off and causing trouble. Then even had the gaul to call everyone complaining about them in chat homophobes... I mean seriously...
Im also all for disco balls in general, time and place etc. But they knew they were going to cause trouble when they showed up, thats what they do.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
So I take it that as long as everyone behaved as they demanded the flame trolls just stewed silently. Then launched all their hate as soon as someone who didn't behave as they commanded showed up, yes?
The obvious solution would be for Cryptic to just disable their use in that location.
I have no idea whether this is at all feasible within the software, but it would certainly curtail a lot of the discussion.
Of course, just quickly closing threads like these, would probably be a much easier solution.
<shrug>
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
It wasnt whom you called "flametrolls" that demanded anything. Those who popped the discoballs, that effects are to force people to dance, were. The people there were minding their own business before the people in question disrupted them. If people want to remember Mr. Nimoy by being somber, let them. If you want to pop a party ball and dance, do it where you dontforce others to participate, its that simple. I would have cared less if someone had popped it just on themselves on willing participants where we could see it. It was the direct targeting lf others and forcing them to to things they wanted to do that I have an issue with. If they somber ones wanted to dance, they could have done an emote, but they didnt. The people who were standing quietly were intentionally griefed upon, that is the problem.
It would not have been effective if it had been closed and allowed to fall off the first page.
Hmmm... now correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that a discoball in a video game forces PEOPLE to do anything. It makes the cartoon character in the video game do something, which if you don't like it easily countered by several methods which have been explained ad nauseum.
The real matter here is 'serious business' people versus 'lets have fun' people at the remembrance. Since it's happening in a social zone, they interact, which the 'serious business' people seem to have more of a problem with, and begin spewing hate. I know, I've been there every day. I've been in instances with seven or eight partiers running around pumping discoballs at every corner of the fountain, without a word spoken. People continue to chat about Leonard Nimoy and have a wide range of interactions.
I was also in a instance today where one individual began cursing someone (not a dentist) because he dared to spawn a pet at the fountain.
I saw people being harassed for standing on the fountain on zone 1. I saw people being harassed for not saluting when some rage spammer ordered them too.
So from where I'm looking, it appears that the dentists are just an easy target for ragers in the forum, if they weren't popping discoballs, this conversation would be about how unrespectful people are daring to have their pets at Vulcan, or not saluting when some over the top role player orders them to.
NO THANKS! Bring on SFD! 24x7 every corner of every instance, pop those party poppers, give us balloons, celebrate Leonard Nimoy with bright colors and silly dances. Because the alternative is very un-Trek.
I guess someone didn't read that guide on the protocols to be observed at the fountain.
Thanks for the laugh.
I received several angry pm's from those understandably irked, several "I see the mis-type, good move", followed by several "ah no problem" pm's once I had explained my mistake.
Mistakes happen.
That is just an example of one or two things I have seen in the circle by people who have been there for some time and genuinely made a mis-type.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
You would really count as friends people that would get on you for spawning a FAKE item in a game filled with FAKE pixels.
I would have excused myself from the company, not the circle.
See my above post.
Just because you don't want to have a celebration of Leonard Nimoy and want to roleplay yourself as the most distraught person in game doesn't make one iota of difference to me. Fine you mistyped. I don't care. What someone else does on Vulcan with their cartoon person I don't give a fig.
I'm there to chat with people to share about a real person who really died. You roleplay whatever you want, doesn't affect what I'm there for anymore than the discoballs do.
I was referring to their regular use in places like ESD, new rom and such.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
First off, I dont care what fleet did it, I am not asking for punitive action against anyone. I could care less about the balloons. I just would like those who did it to be respectful of others.
As far as them not making people do thing they didnt want, if people wanted to dance, they could have used their own emotes to dance. People asked in the forums for the ball throwers to dont do it because they did t want to dance, yet the throwers kept it up and put them centered on groups. My fleet left one instance where the people in question were throwing balls to make us dance for another where they were t at and they followed us and did it again.
The people who were going off because of the pets and such were wrong too, no one should tell another how to show their respect to Mr. Nimoy, but they shouldnt directly interferre with how others are showing thier respect. Popping the disco balls and forcing the characters to dance interferred with the wishes of how others wanted to show their respects. Cant you see how that is inconsiderate and disruptive?