You guys think this will make the game a more enjoyable experience to be honest the game became garbage after Delta Rising less rewards, no reason to get fleet weapons anymore, the exchange is a joke now because of crafting, the in game drops other than a few mission rewards suck.
Star Trek is awesome but this isn't Star Trek anymore and never will be. Its more of a quest for getting top end gear just do repeatable missions with small rewards quicker.
This game has become Toxic brain washed environment where people are only here because they spent thousands of dollars on this game their minds would explode when they found out what a horrible investment they made.
Don't even tell me this game is remotely fun anymore because you would be lying to me. I logged on yesterday just to see some of the changes that have been made and I am not impressed.
Q is still doing his ship give away thing. I figured for a god like creature he would have better things to do like turn the galaxy upside down but no he is just a tool for getting people to grind for more stuff. So the Necro Race(AkA Kobali) got a epic ship that you can get that doesn't make since because if that ship is so awesome why couldn't kobali use it in the fight against the vaadwaur?
Looks like the Federation got more ships as usual what a surprise Klingon and Romulan factions ignored again A typical. I don't even know why they made the other factions playable except for contraband farming which i am quite sure will be the next things nerfed because cryptic wants us just use our cash money to get items why don't they just make us pay for the updates too while they are at it .
Even better for $60 dollars cryptic can mail us a card swipe device so we can swipe our credit cards to log in ,another swipe to select our character ,and another to use our ship.
Also what would really be pimp is cryptic gives us a box so we can mail them our kids so we can get a 10 day unlimited zen and dill so we can buy what we want too. Then we can put Cryptic in our will so they can get all our money and everything we own when we die.
Because we all know that reducing mission awards and forcing the player to conform to how cryptic wants us to play the game is going to make this game alot better for everyone NOT!!
Wait, Fed got more ships? What are you talking about? Feds, Klinks and Roms all got three command ships.
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Wait, Fed got more ships? What are you talking about? Feds, Klinks and Roms all got three command ships.
Thats what I said, all three factions got sh*tty-looking ships that look so un-trek its dumb. One other thing: is the command BC nine-pack the same price as the delta pack??
And now that theres a nerf and cooldown to argala, how do we get spec points now? Do you go to the C-store and buy one at 3000 zen each?
And one more thing: why in hell do you need so much xp for spec points? couldnt cryptic just at lower the xp requirements to the amount required for level 50? Or how bout less its not like we're getting additional rewards or anything. and whenever a player with an opinion who still loves the game or loved it once gets scilenced by one of Smirks forum goons for speaking his ideas on how stupid the devs can be at making a game?
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@ repetitiveepic:
Your wrong. You can go back and redo them as many times as you want! They are time gating it so there is a cool down period before you can do it again. The mission's that players had to go do patrol's are going away, not the patrol's themselves, Cryptic has never historically speeking locked content that you could do once since they have started adding things to the game. The old patrol's in the other sectors are an older story from when there were missions to go do them.
Unless I read those patch notes wrong and really missed something Patrol missions just get a cooldown timer and some dilithium...thats it. It's like a single player PvE queue mission now.
Delta Quadrant and Tau Dewa Patrol Systems:
Dilithium rewards have been added to all Delta Quadrant and Tau Dewa Sector patrol systems.
There is now a 30 minute cooldown for replaying a patrol in these sectors.
All patrol rewards of Skill Points, Expertise and Dilithium are relative to the amount of time they take to complete.
From the patch notes.
He's not wrong, he's just defining grind as doing the argula patrols over and over again. For the OP doing an argula patrol, and then going off to do something else for 30 minutes before returning to do another one isn't grinding, it's playing the game.
Thats the point, you cant have fun in Ker'rat, you get destroyed by ten overpowered probes trying to do the mission objectives or get vaporized by a player
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Wrong, there is always a way, you just have to look for it.
I foresee a lot of people at Undine Space zone, till it gets nerfed, then people will just start rotating characters at Argala, then something will happen to that, so people will just log in once a day to keep their Doffs going lol
what for? what happens when all spec points are filled? next farming "game"?
these new farmers that DR has brought into the game are worst possible audience, they don't play, they don't spend, they just mindlessly repeat same mission over and over and then move to another farming game.
Wow, I'm beginning to see things from Cryptic's perspective! Granted, players are generally free to choose their own style of play, personal preferences and all, but the whining on this thread is a bit over-the-top. IMO, if a player is so focused on just earning spec points, then they are missing the whole essence of Trek in the first place. Irrespective of where a player wants to focus this type of effort, they are missing out on 99.9% of the game. So when Cryptic responds to "STO is nothing but a grindfest" by curbing the intensity of one possible grind, they get a ragefest in return.
I feel sad for players whose vision is so narrow. At the end of the day, almost everything in STO is a grind, since dil must be harvested, EC must be earned, fleet projects will go on, there are upgrades to do, etc, etc. The mining mini-game is a grind, daily patrols are a grind, selling on the exchange is a grind. If players cannot find entertainment in spreading out these activities across their time online, then it is time for them to unplug, and do something else.
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He's not wrong, he's just defining grind as doing the argula patrols over and over again. For the OP doing an argula patrol, and then going off to do something else for 30 minutes before returning to do another one isn't grinding, it's playing the game.
How about this boys: we all do a 20 player pve queue (Breaking the planet, mine trap, big dig) everytime we're not grinding. ITS TIME TO MAKE THE GAME ALIVE AGAIN!
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Wow, I'm beginning to see things from Cryptic's perspective! Granted, players are generally free to choose their own style of play, personal preferences and all, but the whining on this thread is a bit over-the-top. IMO, if a player is so focused on just earning spec points, then they are missing the whole essence of Trek in the first place. Irrespective of where a player wants to focus this type of effort, they are missing out on 99.9% of the game. So when Cryptic responds to "STO is nothing but a grindfest" by curbing the intensity of one possible grind, they get a ragefest in return.
I feel sad for players whose vision is so narrow. At the end of the day, almost everything in STO is a grind, since dil must be harvested, EC must be earned, fleet projects will go on, there are upgrades to do, etc, etc. The mining mini-game is a grind, daily patrols are a grind, selling on the exchange is a grind. If players cannot find entertainment in spreading out these activities across their time online, then it is time for them to unplug, and do something else.
Despite many changes I have not liked, I am still moving through the STO universe with diverse challenges and goals in front of me, which don't have to be completed now. :rolleyes:
I just restarted my rom because he was doing very badly, there was a annoying rom gameplay bug where your toon gets stuck with his worst-looking costume in the menu and in cutscenes, and I hated how I tap a combadge everytime I beam out. I have to say Im having fun now.
Ive made it a requirement to do one run at Dyson once a day per toon(im savin up dilithium for the odyssey ships) and do an omega grind (I collect one of each particle every 20 minutes, so boring but I can complete it quickly). Other than that I make the ever-so-slow progression through the game and I continue to enjoy its content. But it seems that the devs can make good story missions and content but MUST have grinds to go with it
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Ive made it a requirement to do one run at Dyson once a day per toon(im savin up dilithium for the odyssey ships)
oh sh*t, cryptic will probobly get rid of the dilithium exchange so that we can only pay real-world money for zen since many people I know are grinding dilithium instead
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I admit that I didn't read all of the post in this thread, so someone might have already brought up the facts I am about to.
1-They did NOT remove the grind, but increased it.
Before this nerf, you were able to get more xp from the patrol. Now it is about half. Therefore, unless they gave all of the other STF/PVE queues that take 6 mins or less at least double or more than what Argala gave, it had made the grind worse.
2-By adding the timegate to the patrols, this also adds to the amount of time it takes to grind because now you need to wait on queues to pop, if you still do them anymore.
3-The only ones this helps are the ones still left doing the queues.
Those of us that have stopped playing the queues till they fix them, this solved nothing, but made the overly long grind even...LOOOONGER.
4-This doesn't stop the constant replay of the same content over and over again. To level up, you now need to run even more queues that you are...you guessed it...repeating over and over again.
So, they didn't fix anything, but made things worse. This is the way the state of the game is now. They want players to play specific content in the game, and take away from those that don't want to play that content. Then they give it to the ones that are playing the content that they want players playing.
This punishment system is only going to push more players from the game, because they are getting punished more for playing the way they want.
I am not saying that the queues didn't need xp rewards. All of the content needed a huge increase in xp rewards. But by nerfing Argala, they made yet another mistake. There was nothing wrong with players that were grinding patrols, instead of feeding their metrics. It showed that that level of xp was what was needed.
What should have been done is the xp rewards for patrols being left like they were, and not timegating them. Then, the rewards for other content being brought up to where those patrols were. This would have allowed everyone to play the way they wanted, and still gain the rewards needed to level.
Even with the xp the patrols had before this nerf, it took far too long to level up. Now, they are making it take even longer. I have never seen a game that punishes its players like this before. A decent level progression for most of your levels, then start punishing you for making it to the last 10 levels in the game. This is just sad.
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Wow, I'm beginning to see things from Cryptic's perspective! Granted, players are generally free to choose their own style of play, personal preferences and all, but the whining on this thread is a bit over-the-top. IMO, if a player is so focused on just earning spec points, then they are missing the whole essence of Trek in the first place. Irrespective of where a player wants to focus this type of effort, they are missing out on 99.9% of the game. So when Cryptic responds to "STO is nothing but a grindfest" by curbing the intensity of one possible grind, they get a ragefest in return.
I feel sad for players whose vision is so narrow. At the end of the day, almost everything in STO is a grind, since dil must be harvested, EC must be earned, fleet projects will go on, there are upgrades to do, etc, etc. The mining mini-game is a grind, daily patrols are a grind, selling on the exchange is a grind. If players cannot find entertainment in spreading out these activities across their time online, then it is time for them to unplug, and do something else.
Despite many changes I have not liked, I am still moving through the STO universe with diverse challenges and goals in front of me, which don't have to be completed now. :rolleyes:
I have been saying this for a while now. Play the game and spec happens. 2345678 threads complaining about the grind, 1238566345 threads complaining the queues are dead. Now there are more reasons than ever to get off the Argala fixation and queue for STFs. The game is SO much bigger than 1 system patrol. Go play and spec will happen!
I have been saying this for a while now. Play the game and spec happens. 2345678 threads complaining about the grind, 1238566345 threads complaining the queues are dead. Now there are more reasons than ever to get off the Argala fixation and queue for STFs. The game is SO much bigger than 1 system patrol. Go play and spec will happen!
You read my mind! i still like the stfs and I need people to play them with. Never once have I ever seen 'Breaking the Planet' running and never have I played said queue, I have done Big Dig a total of eight times, and Mine trap only once. kdf pve is also empty while fed is doing a little better. So its time to stop trying to become the best player in the game and start PLAYING THE GAME!!
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So for me the massive grind was to get 22 points in intel because i wanted to train in the level 3 abilities and that was the only way to get it. Now with the new Bridge Officer padds you can just buy them off the exchange or ask someone to make them for you. After i did that the grind of complete all went away ill get the rest of the points eventually why is there a rush to maximize everything? Just play the game you will get the points eventually, its not meant to be gotten now now now.
Watch, if they're boosting the exp payout in the battlezone, watch the voth give 2 exp instead of one. The V-rex would give like 24, instead of 23, or whatever it gives out.
yall are really not paying attention if you think q's are dead because people were grinding argula and by removing that grind people are just going to flock to those
yall are really not paying attention if you think q's are dead because people were grinding argula and by removing that grind people are just going to flock to those
You can get your xp and have fun at the same time! I still like the game and i need guys who still want to PLAY THE GAME!!
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Indeed, and now they are freed from their compulsion. No matter how much they want to bear down and grind grind grind, they can't anymore!
I Lied Im back, you have a perfect name sir cause you are epically repetitive and tiresome! Oh people will love it they done want to grind, is that all you can say? Pull the string and repeat the same narrative, try engaging in discussion with your fellow players and explore why this may be both good and bad! Ugh! Sorry everyone!
Yes it opens up options to play elsewhere and open the grind but we could do that before without silly cooldowns, anyone remember when they vice gripped the whole tau dewa sector and called us cheaters for grinding there? Next they will come for doffs cause it allows for xp gain without doing anything and this idiot here will yell from the rooftops Oh Good, Now players can go out and do other things! Get a clue!
Thats what I said, all three factions got sh*tty-looking ships that look so un-trek its dumb. One other thing: is the command BC nine-pack the same price as the delta pack??
And now that theres a nerf and cooldown to argala, how do we get spec points now? Do you go to the C-store and buy one at 3000 zen each?
And one more thing: why in hell do you need so much xp for spec points? couldnt cryptic just at lower the xp requirements to the amount required for level 50? Or how bout less its not like we're getting additional rewards or anything. and whenever a player with an opinion who still loves the game or loved it once gets scilenced by one of Smirks forum goons for speaking his ideas on how stupid the devs can be at making a game?
Hmmm question, did you ever play Star Trek Starfleet Command? Because most of the Command Cruisers seem to be HEAVILY inspired by the top end Battleships from that game, at least for the KDF and Roms.
KDF ships I'm happy with as they bring back my fond memories of flying around and blowing everything up with my DK11 Super Battleship, Fed's I'm neutral on, but the Romulan ships? Those are works of art dude.
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
I Lied Im back, you have a perfect name sir cause you are epically repetitive and tiresome! Oh people will love it they done want to grind, is that all you can say? Pull the string and repeat the same narrative, try engaging in discussion with your fellow players and explore why this may be both good and bad! Ugh! Sorry everyone!
But he's entirely right. The forum ragers complained about something they hate, the thing they hated was removed from the game, and now they're mad that the thing they said they hated is gone because they want to keep doing it.
How do you people function as adults in the real world?
what for? what happens when all spec points are filled? next farming "game"?
these new farmers that DR has brought into the game are worst possible audience, they don't play, they don't spend, they just mindlessly repeat same mission over and over and then move to another farming game.
They farm to get what they need, mostly maxing out Pilot and getting enough in Int and Command to craft manuals or get kit mods.
I have been farming quite a bit since DR came out, but I've never bothered to 'max out' a character on Spec points since I don't need them all. Case and point I only bothered with the Commando Tree on one character, cause they are the only one I run ground missions with. The others I only did what I needed to teach boffs.
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
You can get your xp and have fun at the same time! I still like the game and i need guys who still want to PLAY THE GAME!!
And I need people who CAN play the game. Flocking to PvE's is grand, except about 2/3 of the people out there don't have high enough gear for Elite or Advanced (yet insist on playing them) don't know what to do, and WILL NOT listen to anyone who tries to help them.
Half the reason I spent so much time farming to get Spec points was so I could carry a team through Advanced or Elite.
I expect at least 3 of the 4 PUGs in a group to be useless and have for the last year.
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Farming a single mission is the direct result of having the Spec trees, combined with a certain lead Dev having already nerfed XP everywhere around Argala. Good thing I'm done with all major trees (except for Commando, in which I only need 5 more points).
My point just is: if you don't want people to grind... then don't add mechanics that require said grind.
But the spec trees do not "require grind" any more than Mk XIV epic consoles, or the latest lockbox ship require grind. All end game content can be completed without investing anything beyond the 10 specialization points you get during leveling, and probably even without those.
Specialization is clearly meant as a long term reward for constant end game play, and not something to be ground out just as soon as possible using whatever poorly balanced mission reward is determined to be most efficient.
Personally I dont grind, I do aragala once a day on a few characters because I am getting less and less patient as I get older, I dont even play STO like I used to but I am speaking up because I do care about the game and feel this constant nerfing is getting out of hand! Just lay the hell off and let people grind or not, amass XP or not, drill millions of dilithium or not, who gives 2 sh*ts really, let the players play and have fun!! Thats all IM trying to express here! We are all here arguing with each other because we like the game, well there will be no game if people stop coming in cause we need a constant updated list of what we can do and how we can do it. Thats a job not fun!
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Wait, Fed got more ships? What are you talking about? Feds, Klinks and Roms all got three command ships.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Thats what I said, all three factions got sh*tty-looking ships that look so un-trek its dumb. One other thing: is the command BC nine-pack the same price as the delta pack??
And now that theres a nerf and cooldown to argala, how do we get spec points now? Do you go to the C-store and buy one at 3000 zen each?
And one more thing: why in hell do you need so much xp for spec points? couldnt cryptic just at lower the xp requirements to the amount required for level 50? Or how bout less its not like we're getting additional rewards or anything. and whenever a player with an opinion who still loves the game or loved it once gets scilenced by one of Smirks forum goons for speaking his ideas on how stupid the devs can be at making a game?
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Whats fun about it I would like to know?
He's not wrong, he's just defining grind as doing the argula patrols over and over again. For the OP doing an argula patrol, and then going off to do something else for 30 minutes before returning to do another one isn't grinding, it's playing the game.
Thats the point, you cant have fun in Ker'rat, you get destroyed by ten overpowered probes trying to do the mission objectives or get vaporized by a player
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what for? what happens when all spec points are filled? next farming "game"?
these new farmers that DR has brought into the game are worst possible audience, they don't play, they don't spend, they just mindlessly repeat same mission over and over and then move to another farming game.
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How about this boys: we all do a 20 player pve queue (Breaking the planet, mine trap, big dig) everytime we're not grinding. ITS TIME TO MAKE THE GAME ALIVE AGAIN!
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I just restarted my rom because he was doing very badly, there was a annoying rom gameplay bug where your toon gets stuck with his worst-looking costume in the menu and in cutscenes, and I hated how I tap a combadge everytime I beam out. I have to say Im having fun now.
Ive made it a requirement to do one run at Dyson once a day per toon(im savin up dilithium for the odyssey ships) and do an omega grind (I collect one of each particle every 20 minutes, so boring but I can complete it quickly). Other than that I make the ever-so-slow progression through the game and I continue to enjoy its content. But it seems that the devs can make good story missions and content but MUST have grinds to go with it
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oh sh*t, cryptic will probobly get rid of the dilithium exchange so that we can only pay real-world money for zen since many people I know are grinding dilithium instead
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1-They did NOT remove the grind, but increased it.
Before this nerf, you were able to get more xp from the patrol. Now it is about half. Therefore, unless they gave all of the other STF/PVE queues that take 6 mins or less at least double or more than what Argala gave, it had made the grind worse.
2-By adding the timegate to the patrols, this also adds to the amount of time it takes to grind because now you need to wait on queues to pop, if you still do them anymore.
3-The only ones this helps are the ones still left doing the queues.
Those of us that have stopped playing the queues till they fix them, this solved nothing, but made the overly long grind even...LOOOONGER.
4-This doesn't stop the constant replay of the same content over and over again. To level up, you now need to run even more queues that you are...you guessed it...repeating over and over again.
So, they didn't fix anything, but made things worse. This is the way the state of the game is now. They want players to play specific content in the game, and take away from those that don't want to play that content. Then they give it to the ones that are playing the content that they want players playing.
This punishment system is only going to push more players from the game, because they are getting punished more for playing the way they want.
I am not saying that the queues didn't need xp rewards. All of the content needed a huge increase in xp rewards. But by nerfing Argala, they made yet another mistake. There was nothing wrong with players that were grinding patrols, instead of feeding their metrics. It showed that that level of xp was what was needed.
What should have been done is the xp rewards for patrols being left like they were, and not timegating them. Then, the rewards for other content being brought up to where those patrols were. This would have allowed everyone to play the way they wanted, and still gain the rewards needed to level.
Even with the xp the patrols had before this nerf, it took far too long to level up. Now, they are making it take even longer. I have never seen a game that punishes its players like this before. A decent level progression for most of your levels, then start punishing you for making it to the last 10 levels in the game. This is just sad.
And your happy about that..how pathetic can this be? I could care less about DIL...I need Spec points....throll thread IMO
I have been saying this for a while now. Play the game and spec happens. 2345678 threads complaining about the grind, 1238566345 threads complaining the queues are dead. Now there are more reasons than ever to get off the Argala fixation and queue for STFs. The game is SO much bigger than 1 system patrol. Go play and spec will happen!
I get your sarcasm here; Having problems with your heart? Remove the heart! Problem solved!!!!
Cryptic has done the "We-cant-fix-it-so-we-just-remove-it"-thing forever.
You read my mind! i still like the stfs and I need people to play them with. Never once have I ever seen 'Breaking the Planet' running and never have I played said queue, I have done Big Dig a total of eight times, and Mine trap only once. kdf pve is also empty while fed is doing a little better. So its time to stop trying to become the best player in the game and start PLAYING THE GAME!!
Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv
Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
No, seriously, ground exp is utter garbage.
unless its costs real money
"CRAPTIC we hate grinding the same mission over and over and over! It's boring!"
"Okay, we changed the game so the thing you said you hated so much can't happen."
"OMG HOW DARE U take away our grind!!!"
Christ Almighty.
You can get your xp and have fun at the same time! I still like the game and i need guys who still want to PLAY THE GAME!!
Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv
Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
I Lied Im back, you have a perfect name sir cause you are epically repetitive and tiresome! Oh people will love it they done want to grind, is that all you can say? Pull the string and repeat the same narrative, try engaging in discussion with your fellow players and explore why this may be both good and bad! Ugh! Sorry everyone!
Yes it opens up options to play elsewhere and open the grind but we could do that before without silly cooldowns, anyone remember when they vice gripped the whole tau dewa sector and called us cheaters for grinding there? Next they will come for doffs cause it allows for xp gain without doing anything and this idiot here will yell from the rooftops Oh Good, Now players can go out and do other things! Get a clue!
Hmmm question, did you ever play Star Trek Starfleet Command? Because most of the Command Cruisers seem to be HEAVILY inspired by the top end Battleships from that game, at least for the KDF and Roms.
KDF ships I'm happy with as they bring back my fond memories of flying around and blowing everything up with my DK11 Super Battleship, Fed's I'm neutral on, but the Romulan ships? Those are works of art dude.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
But he's entirely right. The forum ragers complained about something they hate, the thing they hated was removed from the game, and now they're mad that the thing they said they hated is gone because they want to keep doing it.
How do you people function as adults in the real world?
They farm to get what they need, mostly maxing out Pilot and getting enough in Int and Command to craft manuals or get kit mods.
I have been farming quite a bit since DR came out, but I've never bothered to 'max out' a character on Spec points since I don't need them all. Case and point I only bothered with the Commando Tree on one character, cause they are the only one I run ground missions with. The others I only did what I needed to teach boffs.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
And I need people who CAN play the game. Flocking to PvE's is grand, except about 2/3 of the people out there don't have high enough gear for Elite or Advanced (yet insist on playing them) don't know what to do, and WILL NOT listen to anyone who tries to help them.
Half the reason I spent so much time farming to get Spec points was so I could carry a team through Advanced or Elite.
I expect at least 3 of the 4 PUGs in a group to be useless and have for the last year.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
But the spec trees do not "require grind" any more than Mk XIV epic consoles, or the latest lockbox ship require grind. All end game content can be completed without investing anything beyond the 10 specialization points you get during leveling, and probably even without those.
Specialization is clearly meant as a long term reward for constant end game play, and not something to be ground out just as soon as possible using whatever poorly balanced mission reward is determined to be most efficient.