well yeah, they're flight deck cruisers like the KDF have.
That is one of the things that made that scimitar awesome though. And it wasn't a flight deck cruiser.
Instead of a hanger for fighters why not a hanger for anything?
Why can't I put my jem attack ship or tholian frigate on it?
These command cruisers have 1 more console slot, 10% more shields (the FED ones may have a typo there, I guess it should read 1.155 shield mod for them - sometimes shortened to 1.15) and roughly 10% more hull than normal Tier 6 ships. Thus they are fleet level.
Oh, well that's kind of messed up really. Not surprising though, anything for a bit of money I guess.
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why did they turn the tac variant into the eng variant? that was different yesterday can someone confirm pls, if the tac variant is indeed the ****in ugly egg shaped sperm-head ?!
standard cloaking device. which is still costing us a bridge officer power giving us 10 instead of fed 11 and standard cloak sucks pve and PvP so might as well remove it altogether
I'm not sure what you refer to, you may noticed some typo I didn't - however, the KDF ships are not losing a Boff power - all ships come with 13 Boff powers, across all factions.
In regards to Shuttles, when will those get looked at? Especially in the case of Romulan and Klingon Shuttle varients, there aren't too many options. I mean, surely they (romulans and Klingons) would have developed more shuttles than what we currently see. I'd like to see more in the way of heavy fighters or shuttles.
well looking at the stats they are still gimping us, shield mod is lower than fed versions and crew size is double the amount .
standard cloaking device. which is still costing us a bridge officer power giving us 10 instead of fed 11 and standard cloak sucks pve and PvP so might as well remove it altogether
and a ever so slightly better hull rating over the feds but not enough to make up for the crew heal gimp of the larger crew.
all in all feddy bears should love the deal , as for me not so much...... for the life of me i can not figure out why they refuse to make and sell us what we want and need instead of the same ole TRIBBLE.
Hmm, yes, KDF gets lower shields than FEDs, but so do the ROMs. KDF has highest hull and cloak. ROMs get battlecloak.
All however have 11 console slots and 13 Boff ability slots. Not sure where you see 10 or 11 'Bridge officer powers'.
Oh, well that's kind of messed up really. Not surprising though, anything for a bit of money I guess.
Not sure why it'd be messed up, all 3-packs (and 9-packs) so far were Fleet level. besides, there's a rather large suite of Fleet Tier 6 ships: Vaadwaur Manasa, Vaadwaur Astika, Benthan cruiser, Hazari destroyer, Breen Sarr Theln, Kobali Samsar.
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well looking at the stats they are still gimping us, shield mod is lower than fed versions and crew size is double the amount .
standard cloaking device. which is still costing us a bridge officer power giving us 10 instead of fed 11 and standard cloak sucks pve and PvP so might as well remove it altogether
and a ever so slightly better hull rating over the feds but not enough to make up for the crew heal gimp of the larger crew.
all in all feddy bears should love the deal , as for me not so much...... for the life of me i can not figure out why they refuse to make and sell us what we want and need instead of the same ole TRIBBLE.
Yep I agree. I knew this was gonna happen to the KDF versions, not only are they painful to look at but gimped as well. No thanks! Cryptic keeps putting out substandard ships for our faction and then cries about there not being enough players or sales from the KDF.
Well derp!! If ya hardly ever do anything for them and when you do it's bad what do you expect to happen??? Seriously this isn't rocket science guys and you've been doing this since the launch of the game. You keep setting up the same old self fulfilling prophecy of low numbers and sales.
That defensive argument was old and busted years ago, you consistently discourage possible new KDF members and steadily drive off the old ones - that's why the population numbers are not only stay low but are now declining. Sorry if I sound harsh but this is beyond maddening. :mad:
I was hoping for a command carrier, and making these flight deck cruisers is a pretty nice compromise... but I'm also curious if we could just take off the comm array powers and slap a second hanger in these puppies and make them command carriers.
Perhaps peel off one of the aft weapon slots so we don't "break the game" with a new cruiser weapon slots on a carrier precedent.
Maybe bump the shield modifier to 1.2 and change the passives to the xindi aquatic carrier's passives and voila. Command carriers.
Anyone else with me on this? lol.
*edit*
Could even make the ships even more unique to their specializations by giving the tac variant a tac/com commander, eng a eng/com commander, and sci a sci/com commander seat. Lt.com universal, and a lt. of tac, eng, sci. I think that would pretty much give everyone with their playstyles, sci, eng, or tac heavy the option to play as they like...
Since I am a pure Romulan I will only get the Romulan vessels since the others are useless to me and besides my sensibilities can't handle the cold of the human vessel or the smell of the Klingons..ewwww.
With that said the Tactical Warbird looks awesome, finally the Romulans actually build their own Defiant instead of just handing out cloaking devices for the Federation.
The Science vessel looks like the Veteran vessel and the Engineering one is the Schimitar.
Now the real question what new content can you possibly use these birds for?
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The only ships I might be interested in, from this future release, would be the Romulan set.
My three Federation captains (one of each class) are using their new tier 6 intel ship, so no need for a new ship.
Klingon faction, honestly do not play much, so no need there.
The Romulans may, but I am unsure. The reason I am unsure, is that is basically the same ship, for the engineer. The Delta Rising ship release, gave the Federation Captains a unique ship of each class, this one does not. So, once again Science captain has no ship to fly. So, I'm not sure if my engineer really needs 1 new ship, let alone 3.
As someone already stated, there are so many ships in game, it seems silly. The whole game dynamics of ships need to change, in my opinion. There needs to be generic ship designs, which you can start off with, and then buy parts to upgrade the ship. However, the only thing limiting your ship is finances and say blueprints. You can put a forth weapon bank on the front of your science ship, of you can buy or design it. Not limited, to the design of a specific ship class, and style. Bridge officer seating should be purchased, or designed, not assigned to only one ship class and design.
Since I am a pure Romulan I will only get the Romulan vessels since the others are useless to me and besides my sensibilities can't handle the cold of the human vessel or the smell of the Klingons..ewwww.
With that said the Tactical Warbird looks awesome, finally the Romulans actually build their own Defiant instead of just handing out cloaking devices for the Federation.
The Science vessel looks like the Veteran vessel and the Engineering one is the Schimitar.
Now the real question what new content can you possibly use these birds for?
Grinding with the DPS 10K group. They're the only ones IMO capable to taking advantage of the new command abilities on day one to push DPS even higher. Some fleets will adapt over time.
After finally being able to see the ship stats, I think i'll just wait for a sale on the fed bundle, if that ever happens. The only one that has a boff layout similar to the Fleet Excelsior has an awful saucer (no disrespect to the artist or those that like triangular saucers, I just don't fancy them). I do like the quad nacelles now that I can see them from a good angle though.
I wouldn't mind having these as costumes for an Excelsior clone though, since that's the ship I've stuck with and love.
Unfortunately, even from an aesthetics viewpoint, the Command ship abilities are kind of underwhelming to me. Or, rather, it would be more accurate to say that they seem like they would look out of place being used by a Romulan ship. All that blue and purplish-red would look more appropriate coming from a Starfleet or Klingon ship.
So again, despite how awesome the Romulan Command ships look, it's looking more and more likely that I'm going to be giving them a pass. If I do ever end up buy anything to replace, or accompany, my Scimitar, it's seems like the Faeht would be more my speed/style.
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The hangar doesn't tickle my interest. Pusing these to get 5/3 with weapons would've have had. They simply don't compare to the Avenger or the Eclipse well enough.
The hangar doesn't tickle my interest. Pusing these to get 5/3 with weapons would've have had. They simply don't compare to the Avenger or the Eclipse well enough.
Realistically speaking, they're not meant to. They might be Battlecruisers in name, but in reality, they're Flight-Deck Cruisers.
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Well I was on the fence, and awaiting these to see.
Note this is my opinion based upon looks alone (the only factor I really judge on: Do I look cool while flying this?).
The Fed ones have some appeal, and could possibly be smashed together to make something that looks passable. But passable isn't worth the price you're asking.
The KDF ones look like ships I drew when I was six. That An'Quat class... seriously, you're asking people to pay for that? It looks worse than my ex! Although to be fair the others look a bit better (not entirely sure how they could look worse to be honest)
The Romulan ones look damn nice, especially the first two. But I don't have a need of it on my Romulan.
So in summary we have "Meh", "Hell no!", and "Not needed". Sorry better luck next time.
I think the ships look great and the art department should be commended for their work on them. Really, they're beautiful.
I'd like to spend all that money on them, but the question that keeps stopping me is, for what?
Do I need another 9 ships to pound out the same queues and patrols I've been doing over and over for months now anyway? Is it really worth $120 to be the sexiest guy at the Fleet Alert? Are command bridge officer seats really worth it?
I think I'm going to pass, at least until they go on sale and the early-adopters have given them a run and posted their feedback. Might be a good summer thing for me.
Was really hoping for a commander science on that science cruiser
It's a cruiser. Eng Commander was a given.
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What I don't understand is why the already-established command ships of each fleet (the designated Flagships of the Odyssey, Bortas, and Scimitar classes) are not receiving this mechanic when Command is specifically their reason for being in existence.
Instead, the various powers went and designed whole new ships and left their primary command ships forgotten?
When the devs posted that they would be informing the playerbase later about which ships would receive Command abilities, I thought they meant actual command flagships would be made able to perform their functions along with the new races' designated command ships. Now, it seems they meant 'We'll be showing you our next lineup of ships soon'.
Instead of running out shotgun-style ship packages of new ships, why not update the ships already in existence and in need of an update and giving us more refined content such as better ship interiors (I'm still waiting for the Risian Luxury Cruiser interior as well as the Galaxy interior we were teased with a mention of before the Galaxy pack came out), more planetary locations (Betazed, Cardassia Prime, Rura Pentha, ect), and things like Fleet Colonies (your Fleet might need their own planetary base to supply all those ships you fly around with) or Fleet Centers (at each Homeworld where potential recruits could visit to learn about the fleet and apply to it out of the Academy)?
It just seems that these new ships are trying to fill roles already filled by ships specifically tagged for that role, while those same established flagships are being ignored as though they don't exist.
usually the eng version of 3 pack cruisers is the joke of the pack, but with hybrid COM thats not really the case. with a LTC eng as well, you can really load up on more command skills wile sacrificing less eng skills. the LTC eng on the eclipse is real nice to have because of that.
I think I'm going to pass, at least until they go on sale and the early-adopters have given them a run and posted their feedback.
Yeah, the more I think about it, since I'm still undecided I think waiting for a sale will be the best move for me also. They may not be a part of the next ship sale since newer ships rarely are, but there will be another sale after that one.
Give me time to save up more Zen, too. And really, the more I do think about it, I'd be buying the 9 pack for 1 Fed ship and 1 Klingon ship, since I have zero interest in using anything besides the Tactical versions. Maybe, just maybe if I could get interested in flying Warbirds again it would make it more worth it, but I just simply hate the Sing powers/-40 power mechanic, so it'd be doubtful.
$120 for 2 ships, all the consoles and the ability to customize using parts from the other ships. Hmmm, I think I'm talking myself out of the pack. Eh, we'll see how I feel when these DO go on sale.
As far as a 'Day One' sale for me? Not gonna happen.
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That is one of the things that made that scimitar awesome though. And it wasn't a flight deck cruiser.
Instead of a hanger for fighters why not a hanger for anything?
Why can't I put my jem attack ship or tholian frigate on it?
Oh, well that's kind of messed up really. Not surprising though, anything for a bit of money I guess.
The outrageous prices charged for game items has gotten completely out of control. It's why I've vowed never to spend another cent on STO.
I've often pondered, as I refined my dil, if I'm afflicted with too much patience and what are the ethical implications of my using other peoples Zen?
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i wont buy two ships just to not be a sperm ...
I'm not sure what you refer to, you may noticed some typo I didn't - however, the KDF ships are not losing a Boff power - all ships come with 13 Boff powers, across all factions.
All however have 11 console slots and 13 Boff ability slots. Not sure where you see 10 or 11 'Bridge officer powers'.
Not sure why it'd be messed up, all 3-packs (and 9-packs) so far were Fleet level. besides, there's a rather large suite of Fleet Tier 6 ships: Vaadwaur Manasa, Vaadwaur Astika, Benthan cruiser, Hazari destroyer, Breen Sarr Theln, Kobali Samsar.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
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Yep I agree. I knew this was gonna happen to the KDF versions, not only are they painful to look at but gimped as well. No thanks! Cryptic keeps putting out substandard ships for our faction and then cries about there not being enough players or sales from the KDF.
Well derp!! If ya hardly ever do anything for them and when you do it's bad what do you expect to happen??? Seriously this isn't rocket science guys and you've been doing this since the launch of the game. You keep setting up the same old self fulfilling prophecy of low numbers and sales.
That defensive argument was old and busted years ago, you consistently discourage possible new KDF members and steadily drive off the old ones - that's why the population numbers are not only stay low but are now declining. Sorry if I sound harsh but this is beyond maddening. :mad:
Perhaps peel off one of the aft weapon slots so we don't "break the game" with a new cruiser weapon slots on a carrier precedent.
Maybe bump the shield modifier to 1.2 and change the passives to the xindi aquatic carrier's passives and voila. Command carriers.
Anyone else with me on this? lol.
*edit*
Could even make the ships even more unique to their specializations by giving the tac variant a tac/com commander, eng a eng/com commander, and sci a sci/com commander seat. Lt.com universal, and a lt. of tac, eng, sci. I think that would pretty much give everyone with their playstyles, sci, eng, or tac heavy the option to play as they like...
Yes... Yes.... lets do this instead.
With that said the Tactical Warbird looks awesome, finally the Romulans actually build their own Defiant instead of just handing out cloaking devices for the Federation.
The Science vessel looks like the Veteran vessel and the Engineering one is the Schimitar.
Now the real question what new content can you possibly use these birds for?
The only ships I might be interested in, from this future release, would be the Romulan set.
My three Federation captains (one of each class) are using their new tier 6 intel ship, so no need for a new ship.
Klingon faction, honestly do not play much, so no need there.
The Romulans may, but I am unsure. The reason I am unsure, is that is basically the same ship, for the engineer. The Delta Rising ship release, gave the Federation Captains a unique ship of each class, this one does not. So, once again Science captain has no ship to fly. So, I'm not sure if my engineer really needs 1 new ship, let alone 3.
As someone already stated, there are so many ships in game, it seems silly. The whole game dynamics of ships need to change, in my opinion. There needs to be generic ship designs, which you can start off with, and then buy parts to upgrade the ship. However, the only thing limiting your ship is finances and say blueprints. You can put a forth weapon bank on the front of your science ship, of you can buy or design it. Not limited, to the design of a specific ship class, and style. Bridge officer seating should be purchased, or designed, not assigned to only one ship class and design.
Grinding with the DPS 10K group. They're the only ones IMO capable to taking advantage of the new command abilities on day one to push DPS even higher. Some fleets will adapt over time.
Like all previous zen bundled ships these are fleet quality. Expect fleet Intel ships when/if fleet t6 comes out.
I wouldn't mind having these as costumes for an Excelsior clone though, since that's the ship I've stuck with and love.
Thanks for posting that.
Unfortunately, even from an aesthetics viewpoint, the Command ship abilities are kind of underwhelming to me. Or, rather, it would be more accurate to say that they seem like they would look out of place being used by a Romulan ship. All that blue and purplish-red would look more appropriate coming from a Starfleet or Klingon ship.
So again, despite how awesome the Romulan Command ships look, it's looking more and more likely that I'm going to be giving them a pass. If I do ever end up buy anything to replace, or accompany, my Scimitar, it's seems like the Faeht would be more my speed/style.
Realistically speaking, they're not meant to. They might be Battlecruisers in name, but in reality, they're Flight-Deck Cruisers.
Note this is my opinion based upon looks alone (the only factor I really judge on: Do I look cool while flying this?).
The Fed ones have some appeal, and could possibly be smashed together to make something that looks passable. But passable isn't worth the price you're asking.
The KDF ones look like ships I drew when I was six. That An'Quat class... seriously, you're asking people to pay for that? It looks worse than my ex! Although to be fair the others look a bit better (not entirely sure how they could look worse to be honest)
The Romulan ones look damn nice, especially the first two. But I don't have a need of it on my Romulan.
So in summary we have "Meh", "Hell no!", and "Not needed". Sorry better luck next time.
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I'd like to spend all that money on them, but the question that keeps stopping me is, for what?
Do I need another 9 ships to pound out the same queues and patrols I've been doing over and over for months now anyway? Is it really worth $120 to be the sexiest guy at the Fleet Alert? Are command bridge officer seats really worth it?
I think I'm going to pass, at least until they go on sale and the early-adopters have given them a run and posted their feedback. Might be a good summer thing for me.
It's a cruiser. Eng Commander was a given.
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Instead, the various powers went and designed whole new ships and left their primary command ships forgotten?
When the devs posted that they would be informing the playerbase later about which ships would receive Command abilities, I thought they meant actual command flagships would be made able to perform their functions along with the new races' designated command ships. Now, it seems they meant 'We'll be showing you our next lineup of ships soon'.
Instead of running out shotgun-style ship packages of new ships, why not update the ships already in existence and in need of an update and giving us more refined content such as better ship interiors (I'm still waiting for the Risian Luxury Cruiser interior as well as the Galaxy interior we were teased with a mention of before the Galaxy pack came out), more planetary locations (Betazed, Cardassia Prime, Rura Pentha, ect), and things like Fleet Colonies (your Fleet might need their own planetary base to supply all those ships you fly around with) or Fleet Centers (at each Homeworld where potential recruits could visit to learn about the fleet and apply to it out of the Academy)?
It just seems that these new ships are trying to fill roles already filled by ships specifically tagged for that role, while those same established flagships are being ignored as though they don't exist.
Yeah, the more I think about it, since I'm still undecided I think waiting for a sale will be the best move for me also. They may not be a part of the next ship sale since newer ships rarely are, but there will be another sale after that one.
Give me time to save up more Zen, too. And really, the more I do think about it, I'd be buying the 9 pack for 1 Fed ship and 1 Klingon ship, since I have zero interest in using anything besides the Tactical versions. Maybe, just maybe if I could get interested in flying Warbirds again it would make it more worth it, but I just simply hate the Sing powers/-40 power mechanic, so it'd be doubtful.
$120 for 2 ships, all the consoles and the ability to customize using parts from the other ships. Hmmm, I think I'm talking myself out of the pack. Eh, we'll see how I feel when these DO go on sale.
As far as a 'Day One' sale for me? Not gonna happen.
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