I agree. It hink the only occasion in the show when a ship wasn't comanded by a captain was Data taking command of the Sutherland. Maybe they give out provisional promotions to captain rank for the smaller vessels, we just know that every captain would wear captain's pips in canon. I don't believe "too small sample size" does apply here, we can only judge by on-screen evidence. And if the cases pro some statement are literally non existant (with one exception I think) then we can only dismiss the theory that lower ranked officers were granted command over full-time starships (the Defiant, as stated before, is more of an asset of DS9 than an independent vessel). At least we can say no lower ranked officer with the appropriate uniform was seen and adressed by that rank - they may be the provisional promotion thing but that's just wild speculation on my end, as I generally am in favour of having a LTC command a low priority logistics vessel and commanders should be fully capable of commanding lighter vessels anyway.
In the same episode Commander Riker took command of a ship. in Gambit, after Picard was believed dead, Riker was put in command of the Enterprise, and unlike in BoBW, he was not promoted, so there was a commander rank officer in command of the flagship.
And if he does, he'll never admit to being wrong .
And thats a sad thing. Nothing is wrong with having an opinion or an interperatation, I welcome that. The thing is to dress it up as pious "fact" as if it is verbatum from canon, especially when questioned. It just feels deceitful to me, and I hope that isn't his intent because other than that, he/she doesn't seem to be a bad guy/gal/grey alien/whatever the case may be.
In the same episode Commander Riker took command of a ship. in Gambit, after Picard was believed dead, Riker was put in command of the Enterprise, and unlike in BoBW, he was not promoted, so there was a commander rank officer in command of the flagship.
But those are examples of temporary command, which is necessary at times when the chain of command is broken at the head. At the most convenient time, the person is either replaced by an officer of proper rank or that person is given the promotion and the command if deemed proper. The same happens all the time in the military and business, they are "acting-xxxxxx".
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2) Its one thing to say you believe "x", but to say "literally all the evidence" is long stretch. What is "safe to assume" is that its your (and some others) opinion, based on personal interperatation.
He'll never get it.
And if he does, he'll never admit to being wrong .
Aren't you just doing what you quoted? Saying somebody is wrong is a pretty final statement, which is being made about a fictional piece. Apperently you couldn't admit to being "wrong" either.
Aren't you just doing what you quoted? Saying somebody is wrong is a pretty final statement, which is being made about a fictional piece. Apperently you couldn't admit to being "wrong" either.
I think what Edalgos' statement meant with what was "wrong" is claiming opinion and interperatation to be fact, not if the opinion/interpretation itself is wrong, that itself is debatable but doesnt appear to be the crux of his statement here.
I assume this has been discussed here: Is there nay chance we will get a Galaxy upgrade so it can use the Gal-X nacelles? Not all three of course but just like the canon Venture Refit with the Phaser Arrays on the nacelles
I assume this has been discussed here: Is there nay chance we will get a Galaxy upgrade so it can use the Gal-X nacelles? Not all three of course but just like the canon Venture Refit with the Phaser Arrays on the nacelles
No i never heard of them unlocking the G-X nacelles for a non G-X.
But on the other hand i'd love to have a G-X without 3 nacelles, keep the supergun, but get rid of all those childish looking cannons (on top of the saucer) and the third nacelle and it wouldn't be such a gruesome sight anymore. Just saying.
EDIT:
One thing that comes to my mind is what if they would release a Intelligence variant of the GCS?
I think it would fit to the Galaxy just as well, since that ship can be modified for a wide aspect of mission profiles.
I would love to have OSS and Surgical Strikes for that ship (which is much more appropriate than Concentrate Firepower or especially Overwhelm Emitters, if you ask me.)
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
No i never heard of them unlocking the G-X nacelles for a non G-X.
But on the other hand i'd love to have a G-X without 3 nacelles, keep the supergun, but get rid of all those childish looking cannons (on top of the saucer) and the third nacelle and it wouldn't be such a gruesome sight anymore. Just saying.
If you think of the cannons as pitot tubes for atmospheric use, they arent as bad. The third nacelle? I'd like to think thats where they keep all of the Columbian coffee and Butterfinger ice cream bars.
is just REALLY cool. Especially if it worked like the nebula with modular pods. Tactical/sensor/hospital
I can't say if it looks better tbh. I would need to see it from several angles or a 3D model of it.
@edalgo
For a more powerful/faster/more endurable ship configuration i'd still prefer this version.
I think the third nacelle is supposed to make the ship warp 14+ capable (adm. riker mentioned, AGT). Personally i think the Galaxy -X was a one time project by Adm. Riker at that timeline.
The 4 nacelled configuration i showed would fit much more to the Galaxys general shape and the Phaser lance gun could have been give a much more fluid shape, so it doesn't look like so out of place.
Nevertheless the third nacelle and other (G-X) additions completely ruin the flow of the ship shapes imo. (refering to THIS image, shudder)
If you think of the cannons as pitot tubes for atmospheric use, they arent as bad. The third nacelle? I'd like to think thats where they keep all of the Columbian coffee and Butterfinger ice cream bars.
I've always been thinking they resemble huge bottles of beer, lol. Maybe the Crew can endure the though to be in such a ugly ship better, lol.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
I wouldn't put something under the existing ship tbh. It would make this ship look too heavy at the back. It would look like it would pull an anchor around.
It's very hard to put more than 2 nacelles on a Galaxy without ruining the overall shape imo.
Why not simply make the nacelles a bit bulkier or wider? Like this
(just the opposite what they have done with STOs venture class)
The above picture is actually a GCS variant that was in the making for STO, idk if Cryptic kept it when taking over from Perpetual. But i'd LOVE to have this ship in game. A really heavy and bulky looking Galaxy. Very short and sturdy neck (double neck?), very wide Saucer and heavy looking Nacelles. A ship you don't like to mess around with. (like a future Galaxy from the Yesterdays enterprise timeline if the fed wouldn't loose).
There could be so many possibilities, if the devs where in the mood to carry on the GCS design to other, new ship classes.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
Has anyone experience with flying a GCS and pilot Specialization?
I think "danger zone" and "lone Wolf" sound not that bad.
(still better than the whole command spec together, lol.).
Of course intel offers the most bang for the buck, but i'm curious to hear some first hand experiences.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
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In the same episode Commander Riker took command of a ship. in Gambit, after Picard was believed dead, Riker was put in command of the Enterprise, and unlike in BoBW, he was not promoted, so there was a commander rank officer in command of the flagship.
And thats a sad thing. Nothing is wrong with having an opinion or an interperatation, I welcome that. The thing is to dress it up as pious "fact" as if it is verbatum from canon, especially when questioned. It just feels deceitful to me, and I hope that isn't his intent because other than that, he/she doesn't seem to be a bad guy/gal/grey alien/whatever the case may be.
But those are examples of temporary command, which is necessary at times when the chain of command is broken at the head. At the most convenient time, the person is either replaced by an officer of proper rank or that person is given the promotion and the command if deemed proper. The same happens all the time in the military and business, they are "acting-xxxxxx".
Aren't you just doing what you quoted? Saying somebody is wrong is a pretty final statement, which is being made about a fictional piece. Apperently you couldn't admit to being "wrong" either.
I think what Edalgos' statement meant with what was "wrong" is claiming opinion and interperatation to be fact, not if the opinion/interpretation itself is wrong, that itself is debatable but doesnt appear to be the crux of his statement here.
But on the other hand i'd love to have a G-X without 3 nacelles, keep the supergun, but get rid of all those childish looking cannons (on top of the saucer) and the third nacelle and it wouldn't be such a gruesome sight anymore. Just saying.
EDIT:
One thing that comes to my mind is what if they would release a Intelligence variant of the GCS?
I think it would fit to the Galaxy just as well, since that ship can be modified for a wide aspect of mission profiles.
I would love to have OSS and Surgical Strikes for that ship (which is much more appropriate than Concentrate Firepower or especially Overwhelm Emitters, if you ask me.)
If you think of the cannons as pitot tubes for atmospheric use, they arent as bad. The third nacelle? I'd like to think thats where they keep all of the Columbian coffee and Butterfinger ice cream bars.
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/114/0/b/another_shot_for_wiskey_by_jimlogan1701-d62ttg8.jpg
is just REALLY cool. Especially if it worked like the nebula with modular pods. Tactical/sensor/hospital
@edalgo
For a more powerful/faster/more endurable ship configuration i'd still prefer this version.
I think the third nacelle is supposed to make the ship warp 14+ capable (adm. riker mentioned, AGT). Personally i think the Galaxy -X was a one time project by Adm. Riker at that timeline.
The 4 nacelled configuration i showed would fit much more to the Galaxys general shape and the Phaser lance gun could have been give a much more fluid shape, so it doesn't look like so out of place.
Nevertheless the third nacelle and other (G-X) additions completely ruin the flow of the ship shapes imo. (refering to THIS image, shudder)
I've always been thinking they resemble huge bottles of beer, lol. Maybe the Crew can endure the though to be in such a ugly ship better, lol.
there is always room for more daka
i always liked the idea to put a second set of nacelles under the existing ones similar to the nebula's pylons
It's very hard to put more than 2 nacelles on a Galaxy without ruining the overall shape imo.
Why not simply make the nacelles a bit bulkier or wider? Like this
(just the opposite what they have done with STOs venture class)
The above picture is actually a GCS variant that was in the making for STO, idk if Cryptic kept it when taking over from Perpetual. But i'd LOVE to have this ship in game. A really heavy and bulky looking Galaxy. Very short and sturdy neck (double neck?), very wide Saucer and heavy looking Nacelles. A ship you don't like to mess around with. (like a future Galaxy from the Yesterdays enterprise timeline if the fed wouldn't loose).
There could be so many possibilities, if the devs where in the mood to carry on the GCS design to other, new ship classes.
I think "danger zone" and "lone Wolf" sound not that bad.
(still better than the whole command spec together, lol.).
Of course intel offers the most bang for the buck, but i'm curious to hear some first hand experiences.
:eek: :rolleyes: :P