The biggest issue us fans of the Galaxy have is quite simply how the ship is setup in this game, i don't think anyone can argue after watching tng-Voy that any of these ingame Federation cruisers (I'm not counting escorts/science ships as they are a offer a different type of game play) are more powerful or tactically superior cannon wise
Constellation can be used on a fleet ship with the free soveriegn station and console layout
Cheyenne can be used as above
Excelsior
Ambassador.
I don't think anyone has a issue with the Soveriegn, Oddyessy, Avenger, Eclipse being tactically better than the Galaxy, just the 4 other ships i mentioned.
Constellation by TNG was a decomissioned line or very close to it
Ambassador was simular to the Galaxy in terms of limited production so not many around. But i'd say from what we heard about the ENT-C she was superior to a Excelsior
Cheyenne we know little about as it was a graveyard kitbash for the best of both worlds. (A mangled burnt out kitbash given a better boff and consolel setup than the Flagship of the show it appeared in)
Excelsior a tried and tested successful hull design and still in service, but TNG had her ferrying Admirals, diplomats ect around, glorified shuttle. DS9 had her like the Miranda's as cannon fodder in the big fleet battles.
All i want is for the Galaxy Class to be redone so she is better than the Excelsior, Ambassdor and Cheyenne/Constellation. As she should be.
so ship Federation end game cruiser ship tiering should go like this from bottom to top
LOL Fear the end-game NX!!! For it will be the first ship with 6 tactical consoles and 6/3 weapons layout. :P
But seriously, it's not that the ships get better the older they are - it's because Cryptic has shoehorned the gameplay into a very tight pipeline, so some ships built for roles that don't support high levels of DPS have become redundant. That and too many skills of a type in the Boff layout, while too little diversity of abilities that don't trip over each other to choose from.
I've always hated this aspect of game play in STO. Nothing I can do about it though. So I just do the best I can anyways.
Oh god not the "Longer Arrays must be more powerful" argument again!!!
Longer array =/= stronger phaser blast
We've gone over this and it's canon arguments.
the tech manual disagrees they give the out put by per-emitter and then by the total length
going off of this the galaxy even with only mkxi array are stronger then the sovs mkxii arrays
and this is not even going into the horrible blind spots the sov has not even able to fire both it;s main arrays on the same target wile the galaxy can
No matter how you slice it, there's no reason for why the aging Excel is leaps and bounds a better ship than the Galaxy.
They are almost equal in terms of DPS. Galaxy R compensates with 1 slot of science console over the lt com and 1 tac console advantage of excelsior due to Plasma doping.
Ships that would have significant DPs advantage over Galaxy R are ships need to have ltcom tac or greater, 3 or more sci consoles, 4 or more tac consoles. If you dont have those advantages, the ship has nominal advantage or equal to no advantage.
Galaxy R is one of those ships you can take at HSE with confidence better than any escort. If you been playing HSE recently a heavy Eng Boff ship that can do 50k DPS is better than any escort glass cannon that can do 100k dps in Elite mobs like HSE. Since if you are a glass cannon escort you would be dying most of the time not unlike in ISA were mobs are easier to tank with a glass cannon.
On the subject of appearance, I think the Galaxy is beautiful overall. The Guardian...not so much.
The Sovereign is gorgeous, and I find it interesting looking at the OP that John Eaves the designer of the Sovereign stated that the Sovereign was a successor to the Excelsior. The Galaxy was a Cadillac...he wanted to make a Ferrari. Success.
Sophisticated does not mean powerful. It was more a Jack-of-all-Trades, not a warship, not a science vessel, not an exploratory scout, but the best compromise of just about every conceivable use the creators could ret-con it to be.
In case it wasn't brought up, this statement is patently false.
The Galaxy was designed as the Premiere Super Exploration vessel.
The fastest ship in the fleet when launched. Those civilians on board, most of them were top level non-Starfleet scientists.
Yes it was an opportunity in an unprecedented era of peace to place families and civilians on long term exploration missions into deep space.
She certainly wasn't a weak ship in her time and while she could often be shown to be vulnerable in the show, I look to B'Etor's assessment of her.
Soran: "We don't have time for this, eliminate them."
B'Etor: "THAT is a Galaxy class starship, we're no match for them."
What Soran did was basically use an Intelligence move to make the ship's primary defenses, her shields, useless. And B'Etor then got in a lucky shot before a counter intel move resulted in her ship getting one shotted by a Photon Torpedo. Now Imagine that in game a Bird of Prey with shields down destroyed by a single high yield photon torpedo. That's a serious crit.
The Dominion war was another showcase, with the Galaxies being stripped and refitted with heavier weapons and shields. After the Jem'Hadar kamikaze'd the Odyssey no more Galaxy class ships were lost that we saw.
The ship has been varyingly referred to as a Battleship and Battlecruiser.
Since the days of Archer, Starfleet has understood that its ships needed to be able to defend themselves. The Galaxy had ten phaser arrays (twelve in the Dominion war) and a Photon torpedo launcher fore and aft that could launch ten torpedoes at a time. I believe that qualifies as a Torpedo Spread 3.
If anything the Galaxy class in game as say a Galaxy-R should come with a LtCdr universal to reflect this.
It's a Science ship in a cruiser's hull, that can be easily reconfigured into a battleship.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
lol, there is a single example in canon that doesn't fallow the established science, every other time arrays were fired fits the tech manual perfectly. thats called an exception to the rule.
Canon aside, they don't need to give the Galaxy class or any variant a powerful layout, because the ship will sell regardless.
It's the ships no one would bother buying in any real quantity that need the superior layout.
That canon supports their financially motivated design decision is incidental; it's apparent they can and will TRIBBLE on canon when needed, and CBS really won't crack down.
They could sell more Galaxies by giving it a better layout, but they'd make less money in the long run.
lol, there is a single example in canon that doesn't fallow the established science, every other time arrays were fired fits the tech manual perfectly. thats called an exception to the rule.
What's the single example?
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Giving it a "powerful" layout is such a strong word. When I think "powerful" I think something like Scimitar or Avenger with multiple universal seats, or a bleeding edge intelligence officer seat. Rather, I'd say give it a "modern for the time" layout. Which would be more "Double D" neighborhood. Neither a be all end all powerhouse nor a ship gimped in comparison to the century old Excel. But something inbetween. Those of you getting hung up on this idea that we're asking for a God Mode Galaxy just aren't paying attention.
Giving it a "powerful" layout is such a strong word. When I think "powerful" I think something like Scimitar or Avenger with multiple universal seats, or a bleeding edge intelligence officer seat. Rather, I'd say give it a "modern for the time" layout. Which would be more "Double D" neighborhood. Neither a be all end all powerhouse nor a ship gimped in comparison to the century old Excel. But something inbetween. Those of you getting hung up on this idea that we're asking for a God Mode Galaxy just aren't paying attention.
Agreed, the D'D layout with the double lieutenant commander would be perfect for the Gal-R. Also I note that the D'D got that layout in the first place because Cryptic tried to give it the Gal-R layout and the Tribble testers demanded they change it to something usable.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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all its ever needed was a universal ENS, or ANYTHING other then eng. i thought making both LT and ENS stations universal would be a good way to play off how modular the ship is supposed to be, without changing its core traits of being a COM/LTC eng heavy ship. and all the sci and tac would have to compete with each other for space, just like the systems would have to compete for space on the ship.
there was some episode were they were talking about making a single emitter as hot as powerful for a shot. it makes no sense, the writer had no idea how arrays worked, and had apparently never watched the show to see that moving glow effect before a shot is fired from an array. if he had, he would know that more then 1 emitter, on an array with 200 emitters, is involved when they really want to fire an especially powerful shot. you don't even have to see what the tech manual says about it, just EVERY other array shot visually shows gathering power from the whole, or part, of the array, depending on how strong they want the shot. that tells you everything you need to know about the this scifi weapons system.
The galaxy is already available in a fleet T-5U variant.
I'm sorry you're not good enough to actually beat the content with that ship.
Note that the top of the line prototype Kobali Battlecruiser (you know, the event one) is basically an exact copy of the Galaxy.
Stop complaining that your favorite space boat isn't an "I win" button, its good enough how it is.:rolleyes:
the most powerful canon starfleet ship should not be the worst cruiser in sto. worst ship in sto, no other station setup is as bad or gimped as the one the galaxy has.
literally no one has ever said it should be the best in game. it just should not be the worst, by a WIDE margin. ships far inferior and far older then it it should not be leagues better then it in particular. literally no one has a problem with newer cryptic classes ending up more powerful then it ether. but it should at least be a mid level also ran, like all the other cannon ships are in this game. not. the absolute. worst.
Note that the top of the line prototype Kobali Battlecruiser (you know, the event one) is basically an exact copy of the Galaxy.
No, it isn't. The Samsar has a lieutenant commander science slot, an engi/command hybrid LCDR slot, and a universal ensign. The Gal-R has none of those. The only thing that's the same is the console layout.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
No, it isn't. The Samsar has a lieutenant commander science slot, an engi/command hybrid LCDR slot, and a universal ensign. The Gal-R has none of those. The only thing that's the same is the console layout.
I would honestly support having a new Galaxy with a few changes
This new layout would make the Galaxy what it truly was in the show. A well rounded ship capable of doing any and all missions. Not an uber tank with minimal firepower and minimal science capabilities.
EDIT: Even if Cryptic simply changed the Ensign slot to universal, that would make a WORLD of difference.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
the most powerful canon starfleet ship should not be the worst cruiser in sto. worst ship in sto, no other station setup is as bad or gimped as the one the galaxy has.
literally no one has ever said it should be the best in game. it just should not be the worst, by a WIDE margin. ships far inferior and far older then it it should not be leagues better then it in particular. literally no one has a problem with newer cryptic classes ending up more powerful then it ether. but it should at least be a mid level also ran, like all the other cannon ships are in this game. not. the absolute. worst.
Since when is the Galaxy the most powerful canon ship? Wishful thinking itt.
The Kobali Samsar is actually closer to the Guardian in setup than the Galaxy R. Just loses one Tac level for one increased Hybrid Eng level. And is the 2nd non-Specialized ship to have a Lt.Cmdr Hybrid at all (first being Sheshar).
Also, gameplay-wise, the Odyssey pretty much supercedes the Galaxy in every way, and was part of CBS' design the next Enterprise competition (they don't hand out the name lightly either; so it's canon until they retcon it themselves).
Personally, I feel that the Odyssey is more of the Sovereign's successor, but the fact its large and capable of doing what the Galaxy can is a sign that the Galaxy did have some influence as well.
The Guardian however, is more of a valid successor to the Galaxy and Ambassador than the Odyssey, as far as design and intention goes. And before anyone complains about it being Trek enough or not, remember that CBS still has a say on what goes into the game, which includes ships.
In the end, like I mentioned before, there's likely to be a T6 Galaxy (as much as a T6 Defiant anyway) at some point. That's easy money for Cryptic off the fanbases (Pathfinder proved it even after being released so close to T5U Upgrade Tokens). It's just a matter of when. Fact is; the forums are still the minority, and what Cryptic's been doing as far as ships go has apparently been successful enough for them to press onwards with their intention of not releasing T6 versions of existing ships "at this time".
Regardless, the Command specialization would be a perfect time to release a T6 Galaxy. The Command spec has some decent support potential, and it wouldn't be conflicting with the Guardian, which is Intel-oriented (hence not violating their reason for not releasing a T6 version of an existing ship "at this time" back when Intel was the only Primary Specialization). As well, if they wanted to keep it slightly lower class; they could make the Lt Tac a Lt Tac/Command seat, while generally following the same loadout as the Pathfinder (Galaxy's case; Ensign Eng to Lt Uni). If people don't want to support via the Command abilities, they can just go with 2 more Tac skills and cover the essential bases.
The only way Cryptic could kill a T6 Galaxy at some future would be if they made the Guardian's Lt Intel seat a Lt UniSpec (which would not only cover Intel and Command, but cover all future Primary Specializations). Though they could in theory still release a T6 Galaxy if they did that, but some would take it as an insult even if chronologically, the Guardian should be slightly better.
This new layout would make the Galaxy what it truly was in the show. A well rounded ship capable of doing any and all missions. Not an uber tank with minimal firepower and minimal science capabilities.
EDIT: Even if Cryptic simply changed the Ensign slot to universal, that would make a WORLD of difference.
thats basically just the ambassador layout, it shouldn't just duplicate that.
Since when is the Galaxy the most powerful canon ship? Wishful thinking itt.
what exactly is its competition? the galaxy didn't stay in 2363 form, it was upgraded constantly, and no tech advances till the end of cannon in 2379 would be enough to make up the size and scale difference between it and its competitors anyway.
the sov? less then half its size, in every way scaled down. none of its tech wouldn't fit on a refit galaxy
nebula? surely slightly inferior tactically
the prometheus? i doubt in combined form it was any more powerful then an intrepid. packed in its interior is 3 ships worth of systems
defiant? its a glorified corvette. very powerful, FOR ITS SIZE only
Sovereign classification : explorer is accepted as a battleship,
Galaxy classification : explorer is not accepted as a battleship when we provide numerous examples through t.v episodes where its quite evident that the ship performs this role. Especially in battle groups where it is the command ship.
Please stop usng the lame excuse of families on board. didn't the Saratoga a Miranda class have civilians on board during the battle of wolf 359 maybe this is the norm for the 24th century.
All you guys against the Galaxy getting an improvement all use the same 3/4 arguments
Civilians on board, the Yamato, the Oddessy, S.T Generations. The ferengi taking over the ship. Whist we have provided dozens of examples where plot convienance and jobbing the ship are blown out the water with those arguments.
If you don't like the ship you don't like the ship. Don't deny us the pleasure of being able to fly our favourite ship as one that is as competitive as all the others.
My engineer rotates between a fleet sovereign, fleet excelsior, d'kora and fleet galaxy. Flying the galaxy after a spell in the other 3 is like jumping out a Mercedes and into a ford model T. Well it is like going from a car with power steering, abs brakes and air con to one without it
thats basically just the ambassador layout, it shouldn't just duplicate that.
Then how about duplicating the T5U D'Deridex layout ?
Same era , generally same supposed abilities (except the D'D is a bit slower at warp) .
The D'D is an awesome beam boat , but by far not the best , not next to the best of T5U nor next to the T6 .
Like you've said , we're not asking for the best , we're asking for a fun ship .
If the Ent B and C can be fun ships , the D and the F should be too .
... I just love all the crybabies who don't want to fly a Galaxy , but they don't want it to have a better layout either . How ****ed up can you get ...
Something else was brought up in this thread; namely that the Galaxy-class was being developed during "peacetime". Here's the thing; it wasn't. From what we've heard from the shows is that the 2350s saw Starfleet itself engaged in wars with the Cardassians, the Talarians, engagements with the Tholians. You also had the Romulans and the Klingons attacking one another, which could easily have spilled over into Federation space. The 2350s weren't as quiet and secure as most think.
It's time for people to stop arguing whether the Galaxy class was an effective warship or explorer or whatever within Trek canon. Trek canon is irrelevant. Older crappier ships from the 22nd and 23rd century in Trek canon are better endgame ships than the Galaxy is now.
Shut up about the Galaxy being too old or crappy based on what you saw on TV. It's irrelevant to how Cryptic sets ship capabilities within the game. If you want the Galaxy to suck in game, your real reason is because you dislike the ship and think it's ugly. If you want the Galaxy to rock in game, your real reason is because you like the ship and think it's beautiful. This is the truth behind your pointless canon arguments.
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Constellation can be used on a fleet ship with the free soveriegn station and console layout
Cheyenne can be used as above
Excelsior
Ambassador.
I don't think anyone has a issue with the Soveriegn, Oddyessy, Avenger, Eclipse being tactically better than the Galaxy, just the 4 other ships i mentioned.
Constellation by TNG was a decomissioned line or very close to it
Ambassador was simular to the Galaxy in terms of limited production so not many around. But i'd say from what we heard about the ENT-C she was superior to a Excelsior
Cheyenne we know little about as it was a graveyard kitbash for the best of both worlds. (A mangled burnt out kitbash given a better boff and consolel setup than the Flagship of the show it appeared in)
Excelsior a tried and tested successful hull design and still in service, but TNG had her ferrying Admirals, diplomats ect around, glorified shuttle. DS9 had her like the Miranda's as cannon fodder in the big fleet battles.
All i want is for the Galaxy Class to be redone so she is better than the Excelsior, Ambassdor and Cheyenne/Constellation. As she should be.
so ship Federation end game cruiser ship tiering should go like this from bottom to top
Cheyenne/Constellation
Excelsior
Ambassador
Galaxy
Soveriegn
Oddyessy
Avenger
Eclispe
Not the Galaxy at the bottom of the pile but nice and snug in the middle of the pack.
I've always hated this aspect of game play in STO. Nothing I can do about it though. So I just do the best I can anyways.
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the tech manual disagrees they give the out put by per-emitter and then by the total length
going off of this the galaxy even with only mkxi array are stronger then the sovs mkxii arrays
and this is not even going into the horrible blind spots the sov has not even able to fire both it;s main arrays on the same target wile the galaxy can
They are almost equal in terms of DPS. Galaxy R compensates with 1 slot of science console over the lt com and 1 tac console advantage of excelsior due to Plasma doping.
Ships that would have significant DPs advantage over Galaxy R are ships need to have ltcom tac or greater, 3 or more sci consoles, 4 or more tac consoles. If you dont have those advantages, the ship has nominal advantage or equal to no advantage.
Galaxy R is one of those ships you can take at HSE with confidence better than any escort. If you been playing HSE recently a heavy Eng Boff ship that can do 50k DPS is better than any escort glass cannon that can do 100k dps in Elite mobs like HSE. Since if you are a glass cannon escort you would be dying most of the time not unlike in ISA were mobs are easier to tank with a glass cannon.
The Sovereign is gorgeous, and I find it interesting looking at the OP that John Eaves the designer of the Sovereign stated that the Sovereign was a successor to the Excelsior. The Galaxy was a Cadillac...he wanted to make a Ferrari. Success.
In case it wasn't brought up, this statement is patently false.
The Galaxy was designed as the Premiere Super Exploration vessel.
The fastest ship in the fleet when launched. Those civilians on board, most of them were top level non-Starfleet scientists.
Yes it was an opportunity in an unprecedented era of peace to place families and civilians on long term exploration missions into deep space.
She certainly wasn't a weak ship in her time and while she could often be shown to be vulnerable in the show, I look to B'Etor's assessment of her.
Soran: "We don't have time for this, eliminate them."
B'Etor: "THAT is a Galaxy class starship, we're no match for them."
What Soran did was basically use an Intelligence move to make the ship's primary defenses, her shields, useless. And B'Etor then got in a lucky shot before a counter intel move resulted in her ship getting one shotted by a Photon Torpedo. Now Imagine that in game a Bird of Prey with shields down destroyed by a single high yield photon torpedo. That's a serious crit.
The Dominion war was another showcase, with the Galaxies being stripped and refitted with heavier weapons and shields. After the Jem'Hadar kamikaze'd the Odyssey no more Galaxy class ships were lost that we saw.
The ship has been varyingly referred to as a Battleship and Battlecruiser.
Since the days of Archer, Starfleet has understood that its ships needed to be able to defend themselves. The Galaxy had ten phaser arrays (twelve in the Dominion war) and a Photon torpedo launcher fore and aft that could launch ten torpedoes at a time. I believe that qualifies as a Torpedo Spread 3.
If anything the Galaxy class in game as say a Galaxy-R should come with a LtCdr universal to reflect this.
It's a Science ship in a cruiser's hull, that can be easily reconfigured into a battleship.
lol, there is a single example in canon that doesn't fallow the established science, every other time arrays were fired fits the tech manual perfectly. thats called an exception to the rule.
It's the ships no one would bother buying in any real quantity that need the superior layout.
That canon supports their financially motivated design decision is incidental; it's apparent they can and will TRIBBLE on canon when needed, and CBS really won't crack down.
They could sell more Galaxies by giving it a better layout, but they'd make less money in the long run.
What's the single example?
Agreed, the D'D layout with the double lieutenant commander would be perfect for the Gal-R. Also I note that the D'D got that layout in the first place because Cryptic tried to give it the Gal-R layout and the Tribble testers demanded they change it to something usable.
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the tech manual is canon. it was written by the producers and was required reference for the writers
there was some episode were they were talking about making a single emitter as hot as powerful for a shot. it makes no sense, the writer had no idea how arrays worked, and had apparently never watched the show to see that moving glow effect before a shot is fired from an array. if he had, he would know that more then 1 emitter, on an array with 200 emitters, is involved when they really want to fire an especially powerful shot. you don't even have to see what the tech manual says about it, just EVERY other array shot visually shows gathering power from the whole, or part, of the array, depending on how strong they want the shot. that tells you everything you need to know about the this scifi weapons system.
I'm sorry you're not good enough to actually beat the content with that ship.
Note that the top of the line prototype Kobali Battlecruiser (you know, the event one) is basically an exact copy of the Galaxy.
Stop complaining that your favorite space boat isn't an "I win" button, its good enough how it is.:rolleyes:
the most powerful canon starfleet ship should not be the worst cruiser in sto. worst ship in sto, no other station setup is as bad or gimped as the one the galaxy has.
literally no one has ever said it should be the best in game. it just should not be the worst, by a WIDE margin. ships far inferior and far older then it it should not be leagues better then it in particular. literally no one has a problem with newer cryptic classes ending up more powerful then it ether. but it should at least be a mid level also ran, like all the other cannon ships are in this game. not. the absolute. worst.
No, it isn't. The Samsar has a lieutenant commander science slot, an engi/command hybrid LCDR slot, and a universal ensign. The Gal-R has none of those. The only thing that's the same is the console layout.
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I would honestly support having a new Galaxy with a few changes
- Current -
Commander Engineer
LT. Commander Engineer
Lieutenant Science
Lieutenant Tactical
Ensign Engineer
- NEW -
Commander Engineer
Lt. Commander Science
Lieutenant Engineer
Lieutenant Tactical
Ensign Universal
This new layout would make the Galaxy what it truly was in the show. A well rounded ship capable of doing any and all missions. Not an uber tank with minimal firepower and minimal science capabilities.
EDIT: Even if Cryptic simply changed the Ensign slot to universal, that would make a WORLD of difference.
Since when is the Galaxy the most powerful canon ship? Wishful thinking itt.
Also, gameplay-wise, the Odyssey pretty much supercedes the Galaxy in every way, and was part of CBS' design the next Enterprise competition (they don't hand out the name lightly either; so it's canon until they retcon it themselves).
Personally, I feel that the Odyssey is more of the Sovereign's successor, but the fact its large and capable of doing what the Galaxy can is a sign that the Galaxy did have some influence as well.
The Guardian however, is more of a valid successor to the Galaxy and Ambassador than the Odyssey, as far as design and intention goes. And before anyone complains about it being Trek enough or not, remember that CBS still has a say on what goes into the game, which includes ships.
In the end, like I mentioned before, there's likely to be a T6 Galaxy (as much as a T6 Defiant anyway) at some point. That's easy money for Cryptic off the fanbases (Pathfinder proved it even after being released so close to T5U Upgrade Tokens). It's just a matter of when. Fact is; the forums are still the minority, and what Cryptic's been doing as far as ships go has apparently been successful enough for them to press onwards with their intention of not releasing T6 versions of existing ships "at this time".
Regardless, the Command specialization would be a perfect time to release a T6 Galaxy. The Command spec has some decent support potential, and it wouldn't be conflicting with the Guardian, which is Intel-oriented (hence not violating their reason for not releasing a T6 version of an existing ship "at this time" back when Intel was the only Primary Specialization). As well, if they wanted to keep it slightly lower class; they could make the Lt Tac a Lt Tac/Command seat, while generally following the same loadout as the Pathfinder (Galaxy's case; Ensign Eng to Lt Uni). If people don't want to support via the Command abilities, they can just go with 2 more Tac skills and cover the essential bases.
It's more likely they will just copy the Pathfinder, which had the equivalent setup except science-based.
- NEW -
Commander Engineer
Lt. Commander Engineer
Lieutenant Science
Lieutenant Universal
Lieutenant Hybrid Tactical/Command
OR
- NEW -
Commander Engineer
Lt. Commander Engineer
Lieutenant Hybrid Science/Command
Lieutenant Universal
Lieutenant Tactical
The only way Cryptic could kill a T6 Galaxy at some future would be if they made the Guardian's Lt Intel seat a Lt UniSpec (which would not only cover Intel and Command, but cover all future Primary Specializations). Though they could in theory still release a T6 Galaxy if they did that, but some would take it as an insult even if chronologically, the Guardian should be slightly better.
thats basically just the ambassador layout, it shouldn't just duplicate that.
what exactly is its competition? the galaxy didn't stay in 2363 form, it was upgraded constantly, and no tech advances till the end of cannon in 2379 would be enough to make up the size and scale difference between it and its competitors anyway.
the sov? less then half its size, in every way scaled down. none of its tech wouldn't fit on a refit galaxy
nebula? surely slightly inferior tactically
the prometheus? i doubt in combined form it was any more powerful then an intrepid. packed in its interior is 3 ships worth of systems
defiant? its a glorified corvette. very powerful, FOR ITS SIZE only
Sovereign classification : explorer is accepted as a battleship,
Galaxy classification : explorer is not accepted as a battleship when we provide numerous examples through t.v episodes where its quite evident that the ship performs this role. Especially in battle groups where it is the command ship.
Please stop usng the lame excuse of families on board. didn't the Saratoga a Miranda class have civilians on board during the battle of wolf 359 maybe this is the norm for the 24th century.
All you guys against the Galaxy getting an improvement all use the same 3/4 arguments
Civilians on board, the Yamato, the Oddessy, S.T Generations. The ferengi taking over the ship. Whist we have provided dozens of examples where plot convienance and jobbing the ship are blown out the water with those arguments.
If you don't like the ship you don't like the ship. Don't deny us the pleasure of being able to fly our favourite ship as one that is as competitive as all the others.
My engineer rotates between a fleet sovereign, fleet excelsior, d'kora and fleet galaxy. Flying the galaxy after a spell in the other 3 is like jumping out a Mercedes and into a ford model T. Well it is like going from a car with power steering, abs brakes and air con to one without it
TNG i suggest you watch it. in best of both worlds they even said the enterpise was the most powerful ship in the fleet
and watch DS9 domion war they had galaxies one shotting keldons and galors
Well would you look at that. There's me thinking it was a running gag that bathrooms did'nt exist in Star Trek :P
Then how about duplicating the T5U D'Deridex layout ?
Same era , generally same supposed abilities (except the D'D is a bit slower at warp) .
The D'D is an awesome beam boat , but by far not the best , not next to the best of T5U nor next to the T6 .
Like you've said , we're not asking for the best , we're asking for a fun ship .
If the Ent B and C can be fun ships , the D and the F should be too .
... I just love all the crybabies who don't want to fly a Galaxy , but they don't want it to have a better layout either . How ****ed up can you get ...
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Shut up about the Galaxy being too old or crappy based on what you saw on TV. It's irrelevant to how Cryptic sets ship capabilities within the game. If you want the Galaxy to suck in game, your real reason is because you dislike the ship and think it's ugly. If you want the Galaxy to rock in game, your real reason is because you like the ship and think it's beautiful. This is the truth behind your pointless canon arguments.