The Galaxy should not be a gimped Titanic. It is in this game, and I sometimes get a feeling that Cryptic holds it back on prupose. They know if they made the ship worthwhile, a majority of people would fly that ship around and not look at their other ships ($$$$$). It is a similar reason we don't get other iconic, not-to-be-named starships at the T5/T5U/T6 level. The ships are an integral part of the show/movies and people naturally want to be in those ships. Yes, tastes vary, and not everyone wants to fly the hero ships, but a majority would probably pick one of them - an Enterprise, Defiant, or (ugh) Voyager.
I happen to strongly disagree with you on aesthetics. I think the Galaxy class is quite pleasing to the eye. Have you ever looked at it from the side? Notice how almost all of the curves are similar? One section flows into the next quite nicely in my opinion. The TOS Enterprise doesn't quite have that going. Although, I freely admit that I think both the original Enterprise and the TMP refit are gorgeous ships.
I'm not sure how the design principles were misguided? Are you talking in the realm of actual physics? You may have me there, as I'm not a physician (wink). However, we are talking about a fictional ship for a fictional universe. The Enterprise D seems to hold to many of the same principles as the original. In fact Andrew Probert was involved in the design of both the TMP Enterprise and the TNG Enterprise.
Also, if you are going to bring up the point that in Generations the Duras Sister's B'rel destroys the Enterprise D, I will say that is a bunch of bull. It was purely a device by which the producers could be rid of the Galaxy-class and the TV bridge set, which they had used for 7 years, and have a new Enterprise for the following movie. Are we to assume that the crew who basically came up with the tactic of rotating shield frequencies while fighting the Borg suddenly forgot all about that?
Here's how the battle would have gone:
Worf: They have found a way to penetrate our shields.
Data: Rotating shield frequencies.
Riker: Return fire.
B'rel becomes a cloud of dust in orbit of Veridian III.
...and scene.
Oh, btw, we dispatched all of the shuttlecraft to run search patterns and locate Captain Picard and Dr. Soran. We have their coordinates and are beaming security teams to the surface. Oh, he launched the probe as soon as the away teams arrived? No problem. Worf decided to stop sucking and shot it down before it got anywhere near the star. And Kirk lives happily ever after in the Nexus. The End.
On a similar note, the Enterprise was the only vessel not to be destroyed by the Borg in BOBW. True, that was probably only ultimately prevented by the Borg's plan to assimilate Picard. However, the Enterprise was able to engage and delay a Borg cube solo. I doubt any other ships would have fared as well. These were also the Borg when the Borg were nearly unstoppable. These weren't the paper Borg of Voyager. (Again, that's plot armor/plot Borg nerfing. If the Enterprise D got in a knock-down, drag-out fight with someone, they are months from a starbase at worst. If Voyager got in a knock-down, drag-out fight, they'd be screwed 70-some years away from a starbase.)
Anyway, I'm sorry you don't like the looks of the Galaxy. I also don't really care that you don't. But, the ship is much more capable, and formidable than you give it credit for. It's a shame that Cryptic/PWE have relegated it to the penalty box.
I support a better Galaxy class ship, but I'm also not holding my breath that we'll get one. In the meantime, I'll do the best I can with the one I've got.
P.S. I also support a higher tier Connie/Enterprise class. Again, not holding my breath - sadly.
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true. Except for a T5 Connie. That would be f*%#ing awesome." - Mr. Spock
Yes, I despise the Galaxy class. But as I said, that doesn't matter. The game takes place in 2410, and the best ships are the newest ones. If you haven't noticed, the ship tiers go in relatively chronological order with the Miranda being the first followed by the Constitution Refit followed by the Constellation followed by the Galaxy followed by the Sovereign followed by the Odyssey and then the Avenger and then the new T6 cruisers, the Eclipse and Guardian. That's how it should be. Galaxy is placed where it belongs in the hierarchy based on it's age. How is that so hard to understand and accept?
My beloved Enterprise Refit is a T2 ship because it's one of the oldest Starfleet designs still in service. The Galaxy class I utterly despise is two tiers above because it's two generations newer --and I accept this regardless of my personal feelings about the ships in question.
By those standards, an Excelsior Refit at T5 makes little sense and nor does a Defiant refit. Those ships should be more out of date than that. The Pathfinder is an all-new vessel, so yeah T6 it but it shouldn't have an Intrepid skin. Maybe some variants to make it look closer to Voyager to the point it is clear that the new ship is a homage to the old but they should not look identical. Along those lines, as I said the Guardian should have some variant options to make it look closer to the Galaxy design but again not identical. Time has passed and those old ships and old designs are out of date. Let them go.
The Galaxy is ancient in 2410. It's out of date. Let. It. Go.
*points at Narcine, Kumari, Contortrix, Mobulai, and T'varo*
How about no?
Besides those examples, the tech manuals state that the GCS was designed for a 100-year service lifespan and scheduled to go through major upgrades every ten years. The first production run of the class, as in the one that contained the USS Galaxy, is only 47 years old, and they built a lot more of them after Wolf 359. By contrast, your beloved Connie Refit is over a century and a half old and has been completely removed from service. It's a friggin' relic. Let. It. Go. :P
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
But seriously, it's not that the ships get better the older they are - it's because Cryptic has shoehorned the gameplay into a very tight pipeline, so some ships built for roles that don't support high levels of DPS have become redundant. That and too many skills of a type in the Boff layout, while too little diversity of abilities that don't trip over each other to choose from.
This is where a T6 Command Galaxy would have a definite edge. You know that extraneous Ens Engi slot that's next to impossible to use for anything but engi team? Suddenly it becomes, I dunno, your second copy of EPTS1 or what-have-you, and you get a usable hybrid lieutenant slot (probably sci/cmd if it follows the Pathfinder pattern).
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
The Defiant was hijacked several times, first By William Rikers transporter clone Thomas Riker, as well as being taken over by the Jem'hadar.
So no ship in trek is fool proof.
Literally every ship in Star Trek can be taken over by a single person. The NX-Enterprise, Enterprise, Enterprise-A, Enterprise-D, Enterprise-E, Voyager, Defiant, hell even Deep Space Nine were taken over numerous times on screen.
Starfleet security really lacks somewhere XD
@ OP: Obvious troll is obvious. If you would be interested in a discussion about Star Trek ships (which I welcome) you could check the Galaxy-related threads in the shipyard section. Literally all your arguments have been debunked there, prior to your thread creation of course.
Should te Galaxy be the "bestest ship evar"? No, of course not. But all the hero ships should get the T6 treatment. As far as portrayal of the Galaxy goes, STO is unable to portra *any* starship properly. You'd have to play a simulation to achieve this, STO is just an arcade shooter where every new ship can pew better.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'm surprised this thread has lasted this long, given the previous Galaxy thread 'incidents'
Wrong time of day. Pretty sure the mods are US-based, and it's the middle of the night in this hemisphere (in fact I should probably be hitting the sack myself).
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
the galaxy class was a failure day one. overly complicated, not secure, easy to take over (that was done at least 4 times.) and fairly easy to drop the shields on...
Yeah , it would have been so much fun to watch (and write for) a show with the perfect ship .
I can see the Captain's Log from that show ... :
" ... Captain's log ... , we've been charting nebula's and star systems for 7 years ... , and still nothing has happened thanks to our prefect ship .
On a sadder note , suicide rates and alcohol abuse among the crew are still very high and the dozens of murder investigations that are allegedly tied to turns using the Holodeck are still ongoing ... "
... the perfect ship is perfect ... , it's the crew who'll ruin it just the same ...
It was an armed ship operating in another species space. It was exactly the same as if a Bird-Of-Prey had been found lurking on the wrong side of the Neutral Zone.
Nope, definitely not.
Klingons and Federation had established borders, knew of each other existence, and had the Neutral Zone declared.
There was no such contact between the Federation and the Dominion.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Excelsior is due to one of the previous Cryptic heads having a major love for that ship and begging and negotiating with CBS to allow for a T5 variant.
It's in the game - like so many other "old" ships - because players asked for it. We have a Tier 5 Stargazer now, too!
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
It's in the game - like so many other "old" ships - because players asked for it. We have a Tier 5 Stargazer now, too!
People have been begging and pleading for a long time for a Galaxy that doesn't trip all over itself with engineering cooldowns, be that more engy powers or changing the ship itself. But we don't have it yet.
The Galaxy is ancient in 2410. It's out of date. Let. It. Go.
So you conveniently continue to ignore the facts I posted multiple times that even the first batch of Galaxy Class starships are at about half their minimal intended lifespan by the year 2410?
And just how do you expect people to take anything you say seriously??
Look, I partially get what you're trying to say, but it's time you realize that you're the one that needs to let it go. Like I said before, if Cryptic have shown some backbone and decided to draw a line in terms of generations of ships in STO, then you'd have a leg to stand on in this discussion. And even if that happened, the Galaxy would still be a top-notch ship because the first batch of Galaxies are at half of their minimal intended service age by 2410.
The Constellation is T5-U in this game, so is the Galaxy. And the Constellation was falling apart by the time the Galaxy Clas debuted, Picard's own words.
Yet, you accept anicent relics from ENT to be top tier end-game ships because "reasons". The design is the same but they swapped technology, right? Well, the Galaxy Class is 70% modular, first Starfleet ship built solely for that purpose!
Other people have aleady done it, and by now I'm trying really hard to not call what you're doing here trolling. You're biased against the Galaxy, we get it. It's ok to be biased, what's not ok to let that bias completely cloud your judgement on things. Let it go.
Galaxy would be the perfect planetary assault ship, which in STO isn't really needed. It has space for a huge amount of troops. Large shuttle hangers with many shuttles. It has a large amount of transporters. It's beams are designed to allow it to do orbital strikes. If the need was there, you could use it as a Death Star and drill to the core of a planet and blow up it's core.
On a similar note, the Enterprise was the only vessel not to be destroyed by the Borg in BOBW. True, that was probably only ultimately prevented by the Borg's plan to assimilate Picard. However, the Enterprise was able to engage and delay a Borg cube solo. I doubt any other ships would have fared as well. These were also the Borg when the Borg were nearly unstoppable. These weren't the paper Borg of Voyager. (Again, that's plot armor/plot Borg nerfing. If the Enterprise D got in a knock-down, drag-out fight with someone, they are months from a starbase at worst. If Voyager got in a knock-down, drag-out fight, they'd be screwed 70-some years away from a starbase.)
On another note the Enterprise had to take on the borg with limited knowledge of the borg with only a few previous engagements. And with Picards and Rikers Tactical knowledge and an enemy that they knew little about and only that they could adapt to anything thrown at them
Voyager had an advantage of knowledge from more engagements so the experience was passed down from these with more technology normally from what the Enterprise had to do and was refined. and they also gained a distinct advantage when Severn of Nine joined the crew
Everytime I see complaints about the same thing
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On behalf of Starfleet Dental, I shall contribute to this by now ridiculous and overly entitled arguement with logic and facts taken directly from what we all know and love: Star Trek canon! (Proper show canon, the expanded universe novel gibberish does not qualify.)
The Ambassador, Excelsior, and Constellation all share something the Galaxy does not: They were designed and built during a period of high tension and immenent war with both the Klingons and Romulans. They are essentially products of an arms race with very military minded design philosophy.
The Galaxy was designed during an era of (as TNG showed us with the arrival of the borg) "naiive" galactic peace, with exploration, luxury, and diplomatic showboating as it's primary lines of thinking with defense and military being afterthoughts due to the above mentioned "naiive" attitudes of all now being at peace.
As such it is quite canonical that the "pure" Galaxy is lacking in firepower, and due to it's growing age is becoming more of an engineering annoyance (hence all the engi slots, and as compared to older navy ships of today within about the same age range requiring more and more frequent maintainance). Especially due to being pressed into duties it was never originally intended for.
In comparrison, the Ambassador, Excelsior, and Constellation retrofits are better compared to the missile cruiser modernizations of older WW2 vessels of even the Iowa class battleship retrofits: Ships built during times of tension with war in mind being retrofitted to serve in modern conflicts.
Also comparable to the things of today is the Galaxy-X "war" version of the ship to an auxilliary cruiser, essentially a ship not originally built for war, rearmed and retrofitted to serve in combat duty, while still not performing as well as dedicated ships built with military use in mind, such as the Ambassador, Excelsior, or Constellation.
Not to mention, our only statements of the Galaxy "pure" version's military surperiority over the older Ambassador come from an alternate timeline (Yesterday's Enterprise), and as such cannot be applied to the "prime" timeline that STO takes place in, or regarded in any serious manner, as this alternate Galaxy was built to different standards and with a different purpose in mind to it's "prime" counterpart.
Hopefully this will explain to you in a most canonical manner, our dearest and beloved publicans, why what is essentially a cruise ship with guns bolted to it, is inferior to an older proper ship of the line, and why the current iterations of the Galaxy are very show and canon accurate!
*All STO content must be CBS approved, who currently hold the rights to Star Trek canon in general for all non-reboot content. All facts and arguements stated above are made to explain their decisions relating to why the Galaxy exists as it does within STO.
Let's also not forget the Enterprise losing quite badly to and getting captured by surplus BoPs flown by quite obviously combat inexperienced Ferengi.
If you computer can withstand a virus from a super-advanced specie that can build small portals that connect the entire galaxy together, then fair enough the Yamato is bad.
The Odyssey was taking shots without it shield(Dominion use Polaron weapons), it was still capable to manuver(not very good of course, it is under fire and it is a big ship), and even with the Shields down, the Jemhadar bug still have to do siucide attack to finish Odyssey off.
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Anyone that says Galaxy is born in a period of naive Peace havent Watch ST properly. In that time, there was boarder conflicts with the Cadassians, not to mention UFPs relation with the RSE.
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
On behalf of Starfleet Dental, I shall contribute to this by now ridiculous and overly entitled arguement with logic and facts taken directly from what we all know and love: Star Trek canon! (Proper show canon, the expanded universe novel gibberish does not qualify.)
The Ambassador, Excelsior, and Constellation all share something the Galaxy does not: They were designed and built during a period of high tension and immenent war with both the Klingons and Romulans. They are essentially products of an arms race with very military minded design philosophy.
The Galaxy was designed during an era of (as TNG showed us with the arrival of the borg) "naiive" galactic peace, with exploration, luxury, and diplomatic showboating as it's primary lines of thinking with defense and military being afterthoughts due to the above mentioned "naiive" attitudes of all now being at peace.
Completely wrong. The Galaxy was designed during the Cardassian and Tzenkathi wars. The Galaxy was designed during a period of heightened tensions with the Tholians - who destroyed a starbase. The Galaxy was on the design table during the highest period of tension with the Romulans after they destroyed Khitomer. The Galaxy was build to replacing aging ships that just couldn't compete anymore.
Listen to the way O'Brien talked about the Cardassian wars, the way Picard mentioned encounters with them during his time aboard the Stargazer. The times Sisko mentioned the Tzenkethi wars. The Galaxy class was designed and built during a time of war, and just because she was completed and deplyed in a time of peace - that doesn't mean she wasn't built and ready to fight.
More evidence? When evidence of a Romulan incursion started up, what ship was sent to check it out? The Enterprise, a Galaxy class ship. When suspected Borg activity was reported? Who was sent to check it out? The Enterprise, a Galaxy class ship. When trouble popped up in the DMZ, what two ships do we know were on the Cardassian border? The Enterprise and the Odyssey. When the Klingon war started again, what class of ship led the battlegroup to protect DS9? The Venture, a Galaxy class ship.
For a 'peaceful' ship, Starfleet sure does like aiming it at things. Yes, the Enterprise had moments that made it look like a lame duck, but for story reasons. You can't have an adventure based television show if the crew is never in danger.
On behalf of Starfleet Dental, I shall contribute to this by now ridiculous and overly entitled arguement with logic and facts taken directly from what we all know and love: Star Trek canon! (Proper show canon, the expanded universe novel gibberish does not qualify.)
The Ambassador, Excelsior, and Constellation all share something the Galaxy does not: They were designed and built during a period of high tension and immenent war with both the Klingons and Romulans. They are essentially products of an arms race with very military minded design philosophy.
(...)
Aaaand you already failed right there :P
The Galaxy was designed during two hot wars and two cold wars with armed skirmishes at least (Federation-Tzenkethi war, Federation-Cardassian war, the Tholian conflict and the Galen skirmishes).
I didn't even read the rest since you seem to just repeating already debunked points.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
So now everyone is disregarding that post because they put the wrong warring race? Believe what you want, they posted some seriously valid points, regardless of how history was told.
Additionally the Galaxy seems to get its TRIBBLE kicked rather easily all the time.
Reference:
USS Yamato
USS Odyssey
Cough cough
Excelsiors were dropping like flies during the dominion war
Marquis disabled an Excelsior class
Mirandas were total cannon fodder at anytime in the tng-ds9
So what's you're point again about those 2 ships. One died from a alien computer virus that would have had the same effect on any vessel, the other was rammed and from what we have seen in st cannon that is usual fatal for both ships.
You see people who are posting against the Galaxy seem to only remember 2 or 3 episodes and always come back to those. It's as if it those 3 incidents are the only thing that happened during 2 series where the galaxy featured extensively.
Additionally the Galaxy seems to get its TRIBBLE kicked rather easily all the time.
Reference:
USS Yamato
USS Odyssey
All ship classes get their rears handed to them when the Plot calls for it, or when a battle scene ensues and stuff has to blow up. Who's standing around? That's what's going to blow up.
You make a case for it still being in service, NOT for it being a top-line ship anymore. That is my argument, not that it is obsolete and should be retired but that it is appropriately slotted where it belongs at T4, behind the Sovereign, Odyssey, and Avenger and sure as hell behind the new cutting edge Eclipse and Guardian. How can you even argue this? Which of those ships built after it, one built in canon as a direct replacement, should it leapfrog? Why is this even a debate?
You're still ignoring the facts staring you in the face I see. The Galaxy is built to be 70% modular, therefore of all the anicent ENT era ships you obviously have no problem accepting to be able to install new tech in old hull parameters it is the No.1 ship that can be updated with the latest tech without any issues. It was built for it.
The rover on Mars can see your bias from over there.
The very existence of the Sovereign as a direct replacement for the Galaxy class makes it beyond any doubt that the Galaxy must be at least one step behind top tier, directly behind wherever Sovereign sits. So are you all for a T6 Sovereign, leapfrogging the in-game replacements Odyssey and Avenger and equaling the brand new Guardian and Eclipse classes? In what world does that make even the remotest amount of sense?
Yes, I am for a T6 Sovereign. And an Odyssey. And an Avenger.
Sovereign = Regent - built in 2409
Galaxy = Venture - built in 2409
Odyssey - built 2409
Avenger - built 2409
So tell me, o great master of logic, why shouldn't these ships be on the same end-game tier??
In what world does that make sense?
In a world of a GAME, furthermore a game which doesn't hold much regard to canon when it comes to ships and milikng cash from them, a game which allows Starfleet to use alien ships, ships filled with molten lava, ships that are living beings and ships that are 250+ years old.
IN CANON, Sovereign supplanted Galaxy as it was built as a direct replacement. Just like in canon Excelsior supplanted Enterprise Class (Constitution Refit), and Ambassador supplanted Excelsior. There is a clear and well documented timeline of Starfleet cruisers, many of which have been named Enterprise at some point or another and been replaced by newer and better Enterprises down the line.
The Sovereign was not a direct replacement for the Galaxy Class. The Sovereign is only 10 years younger than the Galaxy. The "Sovereign project" was already in motion before the Galaxy Class debuted. It's a ship with a different profile, built for fulfilling different roles.
Nor was the Ambassador designed to replace the Excelsior, those ships have different role profiles.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
You refuse to acknowledge this, and for some bug****ing reason insist that the Enterprise D should be better than the Enterprise F! What sense can that possibly make? Any discussion of alien designs recycled from the ridiculous anachronism stew that was the Enterprise television series or whatever else is just a distraction. The point is, there is a clear lineage, and you're trying to take a ship from the middle of that pack and leapfrog it past its successors. There is not a single argument you can make about Galaxy's virtues that cannot apply equally to the Sovereign, and the Sovereign will still be a step ahead of Galaxy as it was designed and built as a direct replacement. So whatever tier you put Galaxy at, Sovereign must be one tier higher. So are you arguing for a T7 Sovereign, then? And where does that leave the ships like Odyssey, Avenger, Eclipse and Guardian that are newer still? Your argument is nonsense.
Who said anything about the Enterprise-D being better than the Enterprise-E? Stop trying to put words in people's mouths - it only leaves you looking more ridiculous.
But pray tell, why is the Enterprise-C better than the Enterprise-D in this game and why is the Enterprise-B better than both the C and D in this game, and what logic does that make?? Hell, why is the freakin' Stargazer better then the Enterprise-D in STO? Can you tell me that??
You lack basic understanding of the concept of ships. The Defiant being a small attack corvette doesn't mean it shouldn't be on the same tier as the larger Intrepid. The miniature Intrepid in comparison to the Galaxy doesn't mean that it should be lower tier than the big girl. Different ships can and do exist on same tier with different roles and mission profiles.
You also lack basic understanding that this is a game and that in this game the developer has a long lasting policy of "anything and everything goes" as long as it makes cash and satisfies the fans.
Your arguments reek of your personal bias and extreme selfishness.
They should just make a "Galaxia" skin for the Guardian that comes with a lozenge shaped deflector dish and U shaped pylons with stubby nacelles and call it a day. Just like Pathfinder is a brand new ship in the Intrepid design lineage, Guardian is a brand new ship in the Ambassador / Galaxy design lineage. But instead of embracing it, you want to cling to its distant ancestor. Again, unless you're willing to update Sovereign, Odyssey, Avenger, and Eclipse further still then there is no basis whatsoever for an endgame Galaxy.
Then tell me again, o master of logic, howcome we can use the Intrepid hull on the T6 Pathfinder, but we can't use the Galaxy hull on the T6 Guardian and you have no problem with this, because you don't happen to hate the Intrepid as passionately as you obviously hate the Galaxy.
Oh and btw - sorry to burst your bubble, but there already is an endgame Galaxy Class.
You have no argument. You're just want to pick a fight for the sake of trolling. If you go on, I'll be forced to throw you a shovel, since you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper in your little biased hole.
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The Galaxy should not be a gimped Titanic. It is in this game, and I sometimes get a feeling that Cryptic holds it back on prupose. They know if they made the ship worthwhile, a majority of people would fly that ship around and not look at their other ships ($$$$$). It is a similar reason we don't get other iconic, not-to-be-named starships at the T5/T5U/T6 level. The ships are an integral part of the show/movies and people naturally want to be in those ships. Yes, tastes vary, and not everyone wants to fly the hero ships, but a majority would probably pick one of them - an Enterprise, Defiant, or (ugh) Voyager.
I happen to strongly disagree with you on aesthetics. I think the Galaxy class is quite pleasing to the eye. Have you ever looked at it from the side? Notice how almost all of the curves are similar? One section flows into the next quite nicely in my opinion. The TOS Enterprise doesn't quite have that going. Although, I freely admit that I think both the original Enterprise and the TMP refit are gorgeous ships.
I'm not sure how the design principles were misguided? Are you talking in the realm of actual physics? You may have me there, as I'm not a physician (wink). However, we are talking about a fictional ship for a fictional universe. The Enterprise D seems to hold to many of the same principles as the original. In fact Andrew Probert was involved in the design of both the TMP Enterprise and the TNG Enterprise.
Also, if you are going to bring up the point that in Generations the Duras Sister's B'rel destroys the Enterprise D, I will say that is a bunch of bull. It was purely a device by which the producers could be rid of the Galaxy-class and the TV bridge set, which they had used for 7 years, and have a new Enterprise for the following movie. Are we to assume that the crew who basically came up with the tactic of rotating shield frequencies while fighting the Borg suddenly forgot all about that?
Here's how the battle would have gone:
Worf: They have found a way to penetrate our shields.
Data: Rotating shield frequencies.
Riker: Return fire.
B'rel becomes a cloud of dust in orbit of Veridian III.
...and scene.
Oh, btw, we dispatched all of the shuttlecraft to run search patterns and locate Captain Picard and Dr. Soran. We have their coordinates and are beaming security teams to the surface. Oh, he launched the probe as soon as the away teams arrived? No problem. Worf decided to stop sucking and shot it down before it got anywhere near the star. And Kirk lives happily ever after in the Nexus. The End.
On a similar note, the Enterprise was the only vessel not to be destroyed by the Borg in BOBW. True, that was probably only ultimately prevented by the Borg's plan to assimilate Picard. However, the Enterprise was able to engage and delay a Borg cube solo. I doubt any other ships would have fared as well. These were also the Borg when the Borg were nearly unstoppable. These weren't the paper Borg of Voyager. (Again, that's plot armor/plot Borg nerfing. If the Enterprise D got in a knock-down, drag-out fight with someone, they are months from a starbase at worst. If Voyager got in a knock-down, drag-out fight, they'd be screwed 70-some years away from a starbase.)
Anyway, I'm sorry you don't like the looks of the Galaxy. I also don't really care that you don't. But, the ship is much more capable, and formidable than you give it credit for. It's a shame that Cryptic/PWE have relegated it to the penalty box.
I support a better Galaxy class ship, but I'm also not holding my breath that we'll get one. In the meantime, I'll do the best I can with the one I've got.
P.S. I also support a higher tier Connie/Enterprise class. Again, not holding my breath - sadly.
*points at Narcine, Kumari, Contortrix, Mobulai, and T'varo*
How about no?
Besides those examples, the tech manuals state that the GCS was designed for a 100-year service lifespan and scheduled to go through major upgrades every ten years. The first production run of the class, as in the one that contained the USS Galaxy, is only 47 years old, and they built a lot more of them after Wolf 359. By contrast, your beloved Connie Refit is over a century and a half old and has been completely removed from service. It's a friggin' relic. Let. It. Go. :P
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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This is where a T6 Command Galaxy would have a definite edge. You know that extraneous Ens Engi slot that's next to impossible to use for anything but engi team? Suddenly it becomes, I dunno, your second copy of EPTS1 or what-have-you, and you get a usable hybrid lieutenant slot (probably sci/cmd if it follows the Pathfinder pattern).
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Literally every ship in Star Trek can be taken over by a single person. The NX-Enterprise, Enterprise, Enterprise-A, Enterprise-D, Enterprise-E, Voyager, Defiant, hell even Deep Space Nine were taken over numerous times on screen.
Starfleet security really lacks somewhere XD
@ OP: Obvious troll is obvious. If you would be interested in a discussion about Star Trek ships (which I welcome) you could check the Galaxy-related threads in the shipyard section. Literally all your arguments have been debunked there, prior to your thread creation of course.
Should te Galaxy be the "bestest ship evar"? No, of course not. But all the hero ships should get the T6 treatment. As far as portrayal of the Galaxy goes, STO is unable to portra *any* starship properly. You'd have to play a simulation to achieve this, STO is just an arcade shooter where every new ship can pew better.
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Yeah , it would have been so much fun to watch (and write for) a show with the perfect ship .
I can see the Captain's Log from that show ... :
" ... Captain's log ... , we've been charting nebula's and star systems for 7 years ... , and still nothing has happened thanks to our prefect ship .
On a sadder note , suicide rates and alcohol abuse among the crew are still very high and the dozens of murder investigations that are allegedly tied to turns using the Holodeck are still ongoing ... "
... the perfect ship is perfect ... , it's the crew who'll ruin it just the same ...
Nope, definitely not.
Klingons and Federation had established borders, knew of each other existence, and had the Neutral Zone declared.
There was no such contact between the Federation and the Dominion.
People have been begging and pleading for a long time for a Galaxy that doesn't trip all over itself with engineering cooldowns, be that more engy powers or changing the ship itself. But we don't have it yet.
Here's hoping for a brighter T6.
So you conveniently continue to ignore the facts I posted multiple times that even the first batch of Galaxy Class starships are at about half their minimal intended lifespan by the year 2410?
And just how do you expect people to take anything you say seriously??
Look, I partially get what you're trying to say, but it's time you realize that you're the one that needs to let it go. Like I said before, if Cryptic have shown some backbone and decided to draw a line in terms of generations of ships in STO, then you'd have a leg to stand on in this discussion. And even if that happened, the Galaxy would still be a top-notch ship because the first batch of Galaxies are at half of their minimal intended service age by 2410.
The Constellation is T5-U in this game, so is the Galaxy. And the Constellation was falling apart by the time the Galaxy Clas debuted, Picard's own words.
Yet, you accept anicent relics from ENT to be top tier end-game ships because "reasons". The design is the same but they swapped technology, right? Well, the Galaxy Class is 70% modular, first Starfleet ship built solely for that purpose!
Other people have aleady done it, and by now I'm trying really hard to not call what you're doing here trolling. You're biased against the Galaxy, we get it. It's ok to be biased, what's not ok to let that bias completely cloud your judgement on things. Let it go.
On another note the Enterprise had to take on the borg with limited knowledge of the borg with only a few previous engagements. And with Picards and Rikers Tactical knowledge and an enemy that they knew little about and only that they could adapt to anything thrown at them
Voyager had an advantage of knowledge from more engagements so the experience was passed down from these with more technology normally from what the Enterprise had to do and was refined. and they also gained a distinct advantage when Severn of Nine joined the crew
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On behalf of Starfleet Dental, I shall contribute to this by now ridiculous and overly entitled arguement with logic and facts taken directly from what we all know and love: Star Trek canon! (Proper show canon, the expanded universe novel gibberish does not qualify.)
The Ambassador, Excelsior, and Constellation all share something the Galaxy does not: They were designed and built during a period of high tension and immenent war with both the Klingons and Romulans. They are essentially products of an arms race with very military minded design philosophy.
The Galaxy was designed during an era of (as TNG showed us with the arrival of the borg) "naiive" galactic peace, with exploration, luxury, and diplomatic showboating as it's primary lines of thinking with defense and military being afterthoughts due to the above mentioned "naiive" attitudes of all now being at peace.
As such it is quite canonical that the "pure" Galaxy is lacking in firepower, and due to it's growing age is becoming more of an engineering annoyance (hence all the engi slots, and as compared to older navy ships of today within about the same age range requiring more and more frequent maintainance). Especially due to being pressed into duties it was never originally intended for.
In comparrison, the Ambassador, Excelsior, and Constellation retrofits are better compared to the missile cruiser modernizations of older WW2 vessels of even the Iowa class battleship retrofits: Ships built during times of tension with war in mind being retrofitted to serve in modern conflicts.
Also comparable to the things of today is the Galaxy-X "war" version of the ship to an auxilliary cruiser, essentially a ship not originally built for war, rearmed and retrofitted to serve in combat duty, while still not performing as well as dedicated ships built with military use in mind, such as the Ambassador, Excelsior, or Constellation.
Not to mention, our only statements of the Galaxy "pure" version's military surperiority over the older Ambassador come from an alternate timeline (Yesterday's Enterprise), and as such cannot be applied to the "prime" timeline that STO takes place in, or regarded in any serious manner, as this alternate Galaxy was built to different standards and with a different purpose in mind to it's "prime" counterpart.
Hopefully this will explain to you in a most canonical manner, our dearest and beloved publicans, why what is essentially a cruise ship with guns bolted to it, is inferior to an older proper ship of the line, and why the current iterations of the Galaxy are very show and canon accurate!
*All STO content must be CBS approved, who currently hold the rights to Star Trek canon in general for all non-reboot content. All facts and arguements stated above are made to explain their decisions relating to why the Galaxy exists as it does within STO.
Reference:
USS Yamato
USS Odyssey
Let's also not forget the Enterprise losing quite badly to and getting captured by surplus BoPs flown by quite obviously combat inexperienced Ferengi.
If you computer can withstand a virus from a super-advanced specie that can build small portals that connect the entire galaxy together, then fair enough the Yamato is bad.
The Odyssey was taking shots without it shield(Dominion use Polaron weapons), it was still capable to manuver(not very good of course, it is under fire and it is a big ship), and even with the Shields down, the Jemhadar bug still have to do siucide attack to finish Odyssey off.
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Completely wrong. The Galaxy was designed during the Cardassian and Tzenkathi wars. The Galaxy was designed during a period of heightened tensions with the Tholians - who destroyed a starbase. The Galaxy was on the design table during the highest period of tension with the Romulans after they destroyed Khitomer. The Galaxy was build to replacing aging ships that just couldn't compete anymore.
Listen to the way O'Brien talked about the Cardassian wars, the way Picard mentioned encounters with them during his time aboard the Stargazer. The times Sisko mentioned the Tzenkethi wars. The Galaxy class was designed and built during a time of war, and just because she was completed and deplyed in a time of peace - that doesn't mean she wasn't built and ready to fight.
More evidence? When evidence of a Romulan incursion started up, what ship was sent to check it out? The Enterprise, a Galaxy class ship. When suspected Borg activity was reported? Who was sent to check it out? The Enterprise, a Galaxy class ship. When trouble popped up in the DMZ, what two ships do we know were on the Cardassian border? The Enterprise and the Odyssey. When the Klingon war started again, what class of ship led the battlegroup to protect DS9? The Venture, a Galaxy class ship.
For a 'peaceful' ship, Starfleet sure does like aiming it at things. Yes, the Enterprise had moments that made it look like a lame duck, but for story reasons. You can't have an adventure based television show if the crew is never in danger.
Aaaand you already failed right there :P
The Galaxy was designed during two hot wars and two cold wars with armed skirmishes at least (Federation-Tzenkethi war, Federation-Cardassian war, the Tholian conflict and the Galen skirmishes).
I didn't even read the rest since you seem to just repeating already debunked points.
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Excelsiors were dropping like flies during the dominion war
Marquis disabled an Excelsior class
Mirandas were total cannon fodder at anytime in the tng-ds9
So what's you're point again about those 2 ships. One died from a alien computer virus that would have had the same effect on any vessel, the other was rammed and from what we have seen in st cannon that is usual fatal for both ships.
You see people who are posting against the Galaxy seem to only remember 2 or 3 episodes and always come back to those. It's as if it those 3 incidents are the only thing that happened during 2 series where the galaxy featured extensively.
All ship classes get their rears handed to them when the Plot calls for it, or when a battle scene ensues and stuff has to blow up. Who's standing around? That's what's going to blow up.
You're still ignoring the facts staring you in the face I see. The Galaxy is built to be 70% modular, therefore of all the anicent ENT era ships you obviously have no problem accepting to be able to install new tech in old hull parameters it is the No.1 ship that can be updated with the latest tech without any issues. It was built for it.
The rover on Mars can see your bias from over there.
Yes, I am for a T6 Sovereign. And an Odyssey. And an Avenger.
Sovereign = Regent - built in 2409
Galaxy = Venture - built in 2409
Odyssey - built 2409
Avenger - built 2409
So tell me, o great master of logic, why shouldn't these ships be on the same end-game tier??
In what world does that make sense?
In a world of a GAME, furthermore a game which doesn't hold much regard to canon when it comes to ships and milikng cash from them, a game which allows Starfleet to use alien ships, ships filled with molten lava, ships that are living beings and ships that are 250+ years old.
The Sovereign was not a direct replacement for the Galaxy Class. The Sovereign is only 10 years younger than the Galaxy. The "Sovereign project" was already in motion before the Galaxy Class debuted. It's a ship with a different profile, built for fulfilling different roles.
Nor was the Ambassador designed to replace the Excelsior, those ships have different role profiles.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Who said anything about the Enterprise-D being better than the Enterprise-E? Stop trying to put words in people's mouths - it only leaves you looking more ridiculous.
But pray tell, why is the Enterprise-C better than the Enterprise-D in this game and why is the Enterprise-B better than both the C and D in this game, and what logic does that make?? Hell, why is the freakin' Stargazer better then the Enterprise-D in STO? Can you tell me that??
You lack basic understanding of the concept of ships. The Defiant being a small attack corvette doesn't mean it shouldn't be on the same tier as the larger Intrepid. The miniature Intrepid in comparison to the Galaxy doesn't mean that it should be lower tier than the big girl. Different ships can and do exist on same tier with different roles and mission profiles.
You also lack basic understanding that this is a game and that in this game the developer has a long lasting policy of "anything and everything goes" as long as it makes cash and satisfies the fans.
Your arguments reek of your personal bias and extreme selfishness.
Then tell me again, o master of logic, howcome we can use the Intrepid hull on the T6 Pathfinder, but we can't use the Galaxy hull on the T6 Guardian and you have no problem with this, because you don't happen to hate the Intrepid as passionately as you obviously hate the Galaxy.
Oh and btw - sorry to burst your bubble, but there already is an endgame Galaxy Class.
You have no argument. You're just want to pick a fight for the sake of trolling. If you go on, I'll be forced to throw you a shovel, since you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper in your little biased hole.