The only way a galaxy will get three or four Tactical slots is mostly likely if they do a Galaxy X/Dreadnaught update, as that is actually supposed to be the Tactically oriented Galaxy. It is also where i think atleast we would see a Galaxy having a detacated tactical seat higher than LT atleast right now, which would make sense really in light of the standard Galaxy are exploration ships with tactical capabilities, while the Galaxy-X is a tactically oriented dreadnaught upgraded from the design of the Galaxy base-models.
I would hope we might see them work on shifting the high Dps oriented meta we have now, and move it back towards a more balanced an even more dynamic meta with more viable options an reworking sb-par abilties/careers into a more workable state. That i think would be a better option to think of giving ideas an such to how they could push the meta back, and also showing how doing such could actually lead to more players seeing other C-shop ships that do not have high tactical seat/console slots as worthwhile to buy without making them extremely op.
The closer it gets to the us knowing the stats the more nervous i'm becoming as i've had a worrying thought.
The Galaxy-X has always been the Tact version in this game of the Galaxy and unless there are plans to release to a Tier 6 Galaxy-X i cannot see them making the Tier 6 Galaxy more tact capable than the X.
The closer it gets to the us knowing the stats the more nervous i'm becoming as i've had a worrying thought.
The Galaxy-X has always been the Tact version in this game of the Galaxy and unless there are plans to release to a Tier 6 Galaxy-X i cannot see them making the Tier 6 Galaxy more tact capable than the X.
I hope i am way off the mark here.
makes 0 sense that the galaxy x is the tactical version so I hope it will still have 4 tac console and a LT commander tac bridge officer. Adding a lance and 2 cannons does not make it a tactical ship not even in the show same with the cloaking device.
Disappointing? No - it would be downright insulting.
There have been numerous Galaxy-class threads over the years - literally thousands of posts, over hundreds of pages, pertaining to the failings of the T5 Galaxy class, as well as suggestions regarding how minor changes would have a major impact.
It's a subject that has never gone away and, in view of that fact, they should after all this time, and all those posts/threads, be very aware of what we DON'T want.
Sadly, all joking aside, judging by the general reaction to the news of the pending release of said ship, you might be right. At the time of this post, the only thing we know for certain is that the new ships look very nice - the BOFF/console layout could be a complete bag of nails for all we know (at this point), and yet people are falling over themselves about it.
Personally - yes, I want the T6 Andromeda/Galaxy; but keeping the 'Galaxy Pack' debacle in mind, I sure as hell am not going to buy any Zen until I know that that this, to use their promotional phrase, iconic ship is finally something more than a toothless tank.
I have to admit though, I am expecting to be disappointed and suspect that they'll cripple it again by sticking with the Lt Tac BOFF
Yep agreed I wish it has the D'deridex layout for bridge officer. The galaxy class needs a LT commander tactical bridge officer to save it that and a hybrid bridge officer slot for it. Most likely it will have 4 eng, 3 tac and 3 science consoles.
I think we're going to see the T6 Fed and KDF cruisers here mirror the D'deridex boff layout. Players will whine if the T6 Galaxy and Negh'var follow the pathfinder boff layout model and the T6 D'dex keeps the superior layout, and players will also whine if the T6 D'dex layout gets nerfed to follow the layout of the other two.
I think we're going to see the T6 Fed and KDF cruisers here mirror the D'deridex boff layout. Players will whine if the T6 Galaxy and Negh'var follow the pathfinder boff layout model and the T6 D'dex keeps the superior layout, and players will also whine if the T6 D'dex layout gets nerfed to follow the layout of the other two.
I think that too, if they sold these ship in pack, they somehow have the idea to make them relatively similar, and i don't see them nerfing the DD to match the galaxy layout.
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Definitely - you won't get any argument from me that it needs a Lt-Cmdr Tactical BOFF. Personally, though, I remain convinced that it won't get better than Lieutenant Tac.
Although I will say that I would dearly LOVE to be wrong....
If it only has a Lt. Tac (i hope that won´t happen) i hope that we at least get a Sacuer Sep. ability with a useful saucer with good weapons (phasers, torps). It would be disappointing if the new Andromeda/Galaxy (now is that a wordplay for the new Iconian Storyline?) doesn´t have the Seperation ability
Really, I am... happy. Not angry. Maybebecause I am completely fine with a pathfinder layout those ships will probably have. But I am... not angry... XD
The Galaxy is at best an O.K. ship. Now, if you want a viable end game variant, you want the Fleet Dreadnaught. That one will deliver an interesting game experience.
If they decide to change the layout I could see it having a similar layout to the Guardian...whether it's better or worse remains to be seen.
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If it only has a Lt. Tac (i hope that won´t happen) i hope that we at least get a Sacuer Sep. ability with a useful saucer with good weapons (phasers, torps). It would be disappointing if the new Andromeda/Galaxy (now is that a wordplay for the new Iconian Storyline?) doesn´t have the Seperation ability
You'll still have to have bought the older Galaxy with the separation console, or will have to buy it, based upon the way they've handled similar things to date.
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Personally, I would not mind if the t6 galaxy got a eng tinted pathfinder layout with:
Com. Eng
Lt. Com. Eng
Lt. Tac (hybrid?)
Lt. Sci (hybrid?)
Lt. Universal.
My biggest problem with the galaxy's that have come before wasn't just underwhelming tactical consoles but that it simply didn't have enough tactical slots for tac team and at least a torp, beam, and attack pattern to be onboard. With two lieutenants set to tac, I think that would be a reasonable compromise of giving it plenty of tactical potential but keeping the strong eng focus.
I agree with the suspicions that they won't let this ship be too tac heavy... probably no 4 tac consoles or lt.com tac on this puppy. Not just because the Gal-X exists and might at some point make an appearance as a t6 do-over, but the sovereign and possibly even the excelsior might make t6 appearances as well. The devs have rather ridiculously made the excelsior a war beast in this game... I imagine because of the lakota from DS9 being upgraded out the whazoo to go toe to toe with the "uber battleship" the defiant. But I imagine that decision failed to consider what could have been done with a much larger galaxy class being upgraded specifically to be the best war ship it could be (not involving the rabbit eared, lance-a-lot makeover). But it's so popular and apparently not vetoed for end game that it will likely make a re-appearance and would doubtful be put in its correct place beneath the galaxy in tactical capability.
So with the potential future sovereign and gal-x and excelsior, they'll probably reserve the lt.com tac and may also reserve the 4 tac consoles. Though making this either by fleet or default have a 3 tac 5 eng 3 sci layout would make it the third cruiser to already have that layout... but there's only so much they can do with their current console/boff layout rules based on ship category. Unless of course they introduce that mythical, mystical, magical "universal console SLOT." Then one could make the ship 4 tac, 4 sci, or 5 eng depending on what they want... but we all know that would be too versatile... too epic. So no. :P
Hmm... if others are right on this ship getting the eng-tinted pathfinder layout, I wonder if the defiant will eventually emerge with the tactical tinted version... that would actually be rather pleasantly symmetrical of them.
Personally, I would not mind if the t6 galaxy got a eng tinted pathfinder layout with:
Com. Eng
Lt. Com. Eng
Lt. Tac (hybrid?)
Lt. Sci (hybrid?)
Lt. Universal.
My biggest problem with the galaxy's that have come before wasn't just underwhelming tactical consoles but that it simply didn't have enough tactical slots for tac team and at least a torp, beam, and attack pattern to be onboard. With two lieutenants set to tac, I think that would be a reasonable compromise of giving it plenty of tactical potential but keeping the strong eng focus.
I agree with the suspicions that they won't let this ship be too tac heavy... probably no 4 tac consoles or lt.com tac on this puppy. Not just because the Gal-X exists and might at some point make an appearance as a t6 do-over, but the sovereign and possibly even the excelsior might make t6 appearances as well. The devs have rather ridiculously made the excelsior a war beast in this game... I imagine because of the lakota from DS9 being upgraded out the whazoo to go toe to toe with the "uber battleship" the defiant. But I imagine that decision failed to consider what could have been done with a much larger galaxy class being upgraded specifically to be the best war ship it could be (not involving the rabbit eared, lance-a-lot makeover). But it's so popular and apparently not vetoed for end game that it will likely make a re-appearance and would doubtful be put in its correct place beneath the galaxy in tactical capability.
So with the potential future sovereign and gal-x and excelsior, they'll probably reserve the lt.com tac and may also reserve the 4 tac consoles. Though making this either by fleet or default have a 3 tac 5 eng 3 sci layout would make it the third cruiser to already have that layout... but there's only so much they can do with their current console/boff layout rules based on ship category. Unless of course they introduce that mythical, mystical, magical "universal console SLOT." Then one could make the ship 4 tac, 4 sci, or 5 eng depending on what they want... but we all know that would be too versatile... too epic. So no. :P
Hmm... if others are right on this ship getting the eng-tinted pathfinder layout, I wonder if the defiant will eventually emerge with the tactical tinted version... that would actually be rather pleasantly symmetrical of them.
Funny thing is: i'd b totally ok with a tac light variant, if they give access to the pilot skills that enhance dps XD.
I would actually like to see it have a couple Lt Comm slots like the Guardian, then it can at least be flexible in it's seating. I really don't understand why after years of moaning its too eng heavy we have folks asking for a comm eng and lt comm eng? Give me a Lt Comm sci and tac any day of the week over that.
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I'd probably go with Cmdr Engineering/Specialization; Lt. Cmdr Science; Lt. Cmdr Universal for the main seats. Either way let's hope that the officially released stats aren't an April Fools. :P
You'll still have to have bought the older Galaxy with the separation console, or will have to buy it, based upon the way they've handled similar things to date.
I have the Gal-R, Gal-X, Venture from the Galaxy pack and even the Fleet-Gal-R (not the fleet dreadnought until they fix the lance and release it as T6 ) so i can suse the Galaxy 2-piece set if it can be used on the Andromeda.
I have the Gal-R, Gal-X, Venture from the Galaxy pack and even the Fleet-Gal-R (not the fleet dreadnought until they fix the lance and release it as T6 ) so i can suse the Galaxy 2-piece set if it can be used on the Andromeda.
The 2 piece can be used on the Andromeda - it's labeled "Any Exploration Cruiser variant" in game now. Though I'm really starting to doubt that it'll 3 piece with the new console with it being available to all 3 factions.
I would actually like to see it have a couple Lt Comm slots like the Guardian, then it can at least be flexible in it's seating. I really don't understand why after years of moaning its too eng heavy we have folks asking for a comm eng and lt comm eng? Give me a Lt Comm sci and tac any day of the week over that.
It seems unlikely to me that they would put out a ship with the pilot spec on it before releasing the actual spec or the pilot ships that go with it. If these ships are actually coming out this thursday, they will probably have command hybrids on them which would be rather appropriate given their command nature in cannon. Though I too would prefer the hybrid seat to not be one of the lt. seats. The lt.com or com being hybrid command spec would be nice... help lighten up that "too much engineering" by at least giving the option of using something else
Of course, they may choose to repeat the guardian boff layout rather than repeating the concorde, especially considering the concorde JUST came out, so repeating the guardian from at least a little further in the past might go over better. Not to mention they may even decide to slip in both of the current specializations which would make this ship entirely different from the guardian, or even the concorde if they slipped hybrids into that, but I could totally see:
Com. Eng.
Lt.Com. Tac/Command
Lt.Com Sci/Intel
Lt. Eng
Ensign Universal.
However... that might be too epic... but my goodness I just excited myself, lol.
There is the possibility DD will keep its exclusive seating, with the Ensign Uni turned Lt Uni/Hybrid (like the JHSS lower Hybrid seat), if not the Ensign Tac turned Lt Tac/Hybrid, while the Negh and Andromeda get the Pathfinder-style seating.
While not a perfect example, the Flagship trio also have this setup; both the Fed and KDF flagships share a seat loadout, whereas the Romulan Scimitar has its own unique layout, geared more towards offense.
Anyone else excited that the Galaxy costume is finally getting a do-over?!? Hopefully they remember to fix the Gal-X lance too.
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There is the possibility DD will keep its exclusive seating, with the Ensign Uni turned Lt Uni/Hybrid (like the JHSS lower Hybrid seat), if not the Ensign Tac turned Lt Tac/Hybrid, while the Negh and Andromeda get the Pathfinder-style seating.
While not a perfect example, the Flagship trio also have this setup; both the Fed and KDF flagships share a seat loadout, whereas the Romulan Scimitar has its own unique layout, geared more towards offense.
That'd be really lame.
I would prefer a much more versatile and straight forward BOFF layout than the pathfinder version.
There where literary hundreds (maybe thousands) of pages over the years about how to improve the GCS, and most ppl agree that the GCS and Negh Var should have got the same or similar treatment like the D'D or Guardian (I'd prefer Guardian).
If they give it a Pathfinder like station setup, the devs will AGAIN show that they just don't care what ppl wish.
For me it's a make or break situation. If they goof it up like before they'll simply show that they are not interested in making the game good (simple said). Then there's no much reason to stay and watch their DS9/Defiant fanboy fantasy become real again.
Sorry for the harsh words, but that's how i think about it.
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That'd be really lame.
I would prefer a much more versatile and straight forward BOFF layout than the pathfinder version.
There where literary hundreds (maybe thousands) of pages over the years about how to improve the GCS, and most ppl agree that the GCS and Negh Var should have got the same or similar treatment like the D'D or Guardian (I'd prefer Guardian).
If they give it a Pathfinder like station setup, the devs will AGAIN show that they just don't care what ppl wish.
For me it's a make or break situation. If they goof it up like before they'll simply show that they are not interested in making the game good (simple said). Then there's no much reason to stay and watch their DS9/Defiant fanboy fantasy become real again.
Sorry for the harsh words, but that's how i think about it.
Pretty much. And i do not see a reason to deny a decent boff seating.
I mean the LTcom primary and ltcom tac/sci has been used on many ships by now. Heck, even the excelsror got a ltc tac, just by trading in one meaningless ltcom engineering station, and that was YEARS ago.
The Ambassador of course blew the doors open. Why was that ship, predecessor to the Galaxy, so much better? That boff seating is imho ideal for most ships. It gives plenty of flexibility. You can add and switch and do stuff with universals or hybrid slots. But the core setup is just way to compelling.
If it weren't for the scimitar, my romulan would still sit in his fleet d'deridex.
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I would hope we might see them work on shifting the high Dps oriented meta we have now, and move it back towards a more balanced an even more dynamic meta with more viable options an reworking sb-par abilties/careers into a more workable state. That i think would be a better option to think of giving ideas an such to how they could push the meta back, and also showing how doing such could actually lead to more players seeing other C-shop ships that do not have high tactical seat/console slots as worthwhile to buy without making them extremely op.
The Galaxy-X has always been the Tact version in this game of the Galaxy and unless there are plans to release to a Tier 6 Galaxy-X i cannot see them making the Tier 6 Galaxy more tact capable than the X.
I hope i am way off the mark here.
makes 0 sense that the galaxy x is the tactical version so I hope it will still have 4 tac console and a LT commander tac bridge officer. Adding a lance and 2 cannons does not make it a tactical ship not even in the show same with the cloaking device.
Yep agreed I wish it has the D'deridex layout for bridge officer. The galaxy class needs a LT commander tactical bridge officer to save it that and a hybrid bridge officer slot for it. Most likely it will have 4 eng, 3 tac and 3 science consoles.
I think that too, if they sold these ship in pack, they somehow have the idea to make them relatively similar, and i don't see them nerfing the DD to match the galaxy layout.
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If it only has a Lt. Tac (i hope that won´t happen) i hope that we at least get a Sacuer Sep. ability with a useful saucer with good weapons (phasers, torps). It would be disappointing if the new Andromeda/Galaxy (now is that a wordplay for the new Iconian Storyline?) doesn´t have the Seperation ability
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Com. Eng
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My biggest problem with the galaxy's that have come before wasn't just underwhelming tactical consoles but that it simply didn't have enough tactical slots for tac team and at least a torp, beam, and attack pattern to be onboard. With two lieutenants set to tac, I think that would be a reasonable compromise of giving it plenty of tactical potential but keeping the strong eng focus.
I agree with the suspicions that they won't let this ship be too tac heavy... probably no 4 tac consoles or lt.com tac on this puppy. Not just because the Gal-X exists and might at some point make an appearance as a t6 do-over, but the sovereign and possibly even the excelsior might make t6 appearances as well. The devs have rather ridiculously made the excelsior a war beast in this game... I imagine because of the lakota from DS9 being upgraded out the whazoo to go toe to toe with the "uber battleship" the defiant. But I imagine that decision failed to consider what could have been done with a much larger galaxy class being upgraded specifically to be the best war ship it could be (not involving the rabbit eared, lance-a-lot makeover). But it's so popular and apparently not vetoed for end game that it will likely make a re-appearance and would doubtful be put in its correct place beneath the galaxy in tactical capability.
So with the potential future sovereign and gal-x and excelsior, they'll probably reserve the lt.com tac and may also reserve the 4 tac consoles. Though making this either by fleet or default have a 3 tac 5 eng 3 sci layout would make it the third cruiser to already have that layout... but there's only so much they can do with their current console/boff layout rules based on ship category. Unless of course they introduce that mythical, mystical, magical "universal console SLOT." Then one could make the ship 4 tac, 4 sci, or 5 eng depending on what they want... but we all know that would be too versatile... too epic. So no. :P
Hmm... if others are right on this ship getting the eng-tinted pathfinder layout, I wonder if the defiant will eventually emerge with the tactical tinted version... that would actually be rather pleasantly symmetrical of them.
Funny thing is: i'd b totally ok with a tac light variant, if they give access to the pilot skills that enhance dps XD.
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I have the Gal-R, Gal-X, Venture from the Galaxy pack and even the Fleet-Gal-R (not the fleet dreadnought until they fix the lance and release it as T6 ) so i can suse the Galaxy 2-piece set if it can be used on the Andromeda.
The 2 piece can be used on the Andromeda - it's labeled "Any Exploration Cruiser variant" in game now. Though I'm really starting to doubt that it'll 3 piece with the new console with it being available to all 3 factions.
It seems unlikely to me that they would put out a ship with the pilot spec on it before releasing the actual spec or the pilot ships that go with it. If these ships are actually coming out this thursday, they will probably have command hybrids on them which would be rather appropriate given their command nature in cannon. Though I too would prefer the hybrid seat to not be one of the lt. seats. The lt.com or com being hybrid command spec would be nice... help lighten up that "too much engineering" by at least giving the option of using something else
Of course, they may choose to repeat the guardian boff layout rather than repeating the concorde, especially considering the concorde JUST came out, so repeating the guardian from at least a little further in the past might go over better. Not to mention they may even decide to slip in both of the current specializations which would make this ship entirely different from the guardian, or even the concorde if they slipped hybrids into that, but I could totally see:
Com. Eng.
Lt.Com. Tac/Command
Lt.Com Sci/Intel
Lt. Eng
Ensign Universal.
However... that might be too epic... but my goodness I just excited myself, lol.
While not a perfect example, the Flagship trio also have this setup; both the Fed and KDF flagships share a seat loadout, whereas the Romulan Scimitar has its own unique layout, geared more towards offense.
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I would prefer a much more versatile and straight forward BOFF layout than the pathfinder version.
There where literary hundreds (maybe thousands) of pages over the years about how to improve the GCS, and most ppl agree that the GCS and Negh Var should have got the same or similar treatment like the D'D or Guardian (I'd prefer Guardian).
If they give it a Pathfinder like station setup, the devs will AGAIN show that they just don't care what ppl wish.
For me it's a make or break situation. If they goof it up like before they'll simply show that they are not interested in making the game good (simple said). Then there's no much reason to stay and watch their DS9/Defiant fanboy fantasy become real again.
Sorry for the harsh words, but that's how i think about it.
1. Ofcourse we are, that's one of the focal points of this release.
2. They're not doing anything with the Galaxy-X at the moment, Thomas confirmed this on twitter.
Pretty much. And i do not see a reason to deny a decent boff seating.
I mean the LTcom primary and ltcom tac/sci has been used on many ships by now. Heck, even the excelsror got a ltc tac, just by trading in one meaningless ltcom engineering station, and that was YEARS ago.
The Ambassador of course blew the doors open. Why was that ship, predecessor to the Galaxy, so much better? That boff seating is imho ideal for most ships. It gives plenty of flexibility. You can add and switch and do stuff with universals or hybrid slots. But the core setup is just way to compelling.
If it weren't for the scimitar, my romulan would still sit in his fleet d'deridex.
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