And Q off-sets the balance:cool:. Then the Jem'Hadar shroud and start jumping on and punching stormtroopers before they know what's going on.
Ground troops are pointless when the massive starfleets of Star Wars clear the local space of any resisting forces, then conduct Base Delta Zero. The Galactic Empire was not the only one fond of pounding civilizations to nonexistence with a single starship.
As I've said before in an earlier reply, the Hyperdrives of Star Wars enables any spacefaring ship to Jump to Lightspeed and travel across the galaxy. It will take some time like it would driving across the United States to go across Star Wars' established galaxy. But that technological feat which is so commonplace in SW makes space travel in Star Trek look like the Flinstones.
Combine that with again, the massive scale of warfare, ship construction, recruitment, cloning, etc, the size of fleets being flung in every direction for warfare on a GALACTIC scale, with the Hyperdrives... it's not a contest at all.
The major powers of Star Trek can't do anything of this capability, of that scale. You have proficient soldiers, warriors, yes. So do these same things exist in Star Wars. You have proficient military leaders in Star Trek. Yes, so do these same things exist in Star Wars.
But the capability to conduct war on a galactic level? Combined with Hyperdrives? You can present these massive starfleets anywhere in good time compared to Star Trek fleets traveling at a snail's pace. Pick any of the existing major players from Star Wars movies, and they'll wipe the floor with the Star Trek universe. Whether you do the Galactic Republic or the Galactic Empire. Either one would BURY any and all the major powers of Star Trek.
It's not a contest at all.
P.S. - I haven't even thrown in the likes of Force Users into the equation :P
So just where does all this talk about hyperdrive being faster than warp drive come from? In the movies we see them jumping to hyperspace but no idea how much distance was traversed. If there's a point where they say "we can cross the whole galaxy in 3 days" I must have missed it.
SW has the edge there, they have heavy vehicles, in ST we've only seen a buggy with a phaser cannon, but if we use STO material, well, ST wins, voth battlesuits, turrets, portable auto-targeting mortars, personal shields, heavy combat armors, flying combat drones, subspace mines, rifles with teleporting bullets, vastly superior infantry weapons, infantry teleporting to unshielded locations, personal cloaking devices, replicators allowing to create supplies and weapons on the fly, essentially making ST nearly immune to siege tactics.
I think the battle of Endor is a pretty humilating case for Star Wars technology. Trees can be used to destroy an AT ST.
And we've seen Phasers disintegrate people and stuff. We've seen Blasters being used to stun, but not to disintegrate. Considering that Starfleet doesn't really seem to use armor for ground combat, I would still expect the Star Wars arsenal to be effective against ground troops - but their "tanks" would still be dismantled quickly. But it sure would be a bloody affair if there is no aerial or space support.
And of course - if an AT-ST armour cannot withstand a tree stump, an AT-AT armour can't survive falling down, one has to wonder if that doesn't mean that even their weaponry is not that impressive.
The Death Star seems like something out of scope for the Federation or most factions in Star Trek to build. But I am afraid the trench run would be no difficult to an experienced Starfleet Shuttle Pilot, and if that fails - getting troops on board seems not impossible, either. Either the Death Star does not have shields in the first place (could be, it's frigging huge), or the shields can be penetrated at least by shuttles, so either a shuttle craft or a transporter could get troops aboard to shut down the reactor. With the Nemesis Personal Transporters it could even be feasible to capture an Imperial Shuttle and sneak aboard, and then beam directly to the core. If Personal Transporters are unavailable, retrofitting a captured shuttle should work, too.
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I think I need to refer only to two sources to make this one out.
First, in Mirror Mirror, and also in A Taste of Armageddon, the USS ENTERPRISE, a single starship, was described as having the capacity to destroy the entire surface of a planet.
In STAR WARS, Han Solo stated that the entire Imperial Star Fleet didn't have the firepower to destroy an entire planet.
Thus, Star Trek has a massive advantage in power. ONE Federation Starship has more firepower than the entire Imperial fleet. Now, that doesn't take a Death Star into consideration, but they're not a "standard" unit, and so I wouldn't consider them fair comparison.
(I didn't read the whole thread, as it's very late, so I apologize if this ground has been covered.)
I think Han Solo was talking about blowing a planet up into asteroids, while the Enterprise was just about destroying the surface of a planet. That is quite some difference. We've actually seen the latter happen and being done by a fleet of ships in Star Trek - the suspected Founder homeworld was under attack by the Romulan-Cardassian Fleet and with the first salvo, 30 % of the planet's crust were gone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfOHzGeu0u0. If that planet is earth-like, that means roughly a 10 km thick shell on a 50,000,000 km² surface. They'd still have 6,360 km to burn through...
Not sure how many ships were in the fleet, but 150 Je'Hardar ships were enough to take care of them.
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In the dominion war there is a conversation between Sisko, the romulan ambassador and Martok, Martok says he'll have 1500 ships ready for deployment, and the ambassador replies they were still outnumbered 20:1, it's safe to assume the dominion is capable of creating massive fleets in little time, not to mention the fleet they already have in the gamma quadrant.
In the dominion war there is a conversation between Sisko, the romulan ambassador and Martok, Martok says he'll have 1500 ships ready for deployment, and the ambassador replies they were still outnumbered 20:1, it's safe to assume the dominion is capable of creating massive fleets in little time, not to mention the fleet they already have in the gamma quadrant.
Which is why I said that Empire v Dominion would be a much fairer comparison than Federation v Empire. The Dominion is just much closer on the industrial scale than the Federation is. I'm not sure if it's expressly mentioned in the Star Wars canon, but at least from EU sources the Kuat Shipyards are able to build an Imperial-Class Star Destroyer in something on the order of a month. That's a similar timescale to what Sisko and Ross were talking about when considering bottle-necking the Dominion in the Cardassian System.
Ross: The Dominion Fleet is in full retreat. We can keep them bottled-up there indefinitely.
Sisko: What if they use this time to rebuild their fleet?
Martok: He's right. The Dominion has shown to be capable of building ships at an extraordinary rate.
Keep in mind, when I say 1 ISD in a few months, that's just a single drydock - Kuat has hundreds building everything from Corvettes to SSDs. That's an industrial capacity, frankly, that only the Dominion and the Borg could match.
So just where does all this talk about hyperdrive being faster than warp drive come from? In the movies we see them jumping to hyperspace but no idea how much distance was traversed. If there's a point where they say "we can cross the whole galaxy in 3 days" I must have missed it.
Using just the movies and their novelizations (the latter of which were written with direct approval from Lucas), traveling from Tatooine, explicitly one of the furthest, if not the furthest, planets from the center of the galaxy, to Coruscant, which is near the galactic core, is an easy trip with a hyperdrive, and a salvaged one bought from a junk dealer at that (TPM). According to some of the RPG sources Alderaan's maybe two-thirds to half that distance, and in ANH the Falcon makes the trip in no more than a couple hours.
See also Admiral Piett in TESB stating after the Avenger loses the Falcon that "if the Millennium Falcon went into lightspeed, it'll be on the other side of the galaxy by now." It's a setting where people casually talk about traveling to the other side of the galaxy as if they were running into town to go to the grocery store.
at the speed of light, it would take around four years to reach Alpha Centauri.
at the speed of light.
"WARP" is a geometric multiplier of the speed of light.
are you sure about your Starwars ships being faster? It could be that the SWG is just a bit...smaller than the Milky Way, like maybe the size of a decent stellar cluster. IN which case, SW ships are likely slower than Starfleet ships.
By a lot.
Actually the books stated the SW galaxy to be about thirty percent larger than the Milky Way.
Honestly, I always rationalized the use of "lightspeed" in SW as either being a slang term, or "you have to get up to near c to jump to hyperspace".
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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Well, the Millennium Falcon was allegedly one of the fastest ships in the galaxy. Thus it's not really the best option for comparison. In the first movie Han claimed it was faster than ANY ship in the Imperial fleet.
Star Trek has transwarp though (Voth, Borg) which pretty much allows them to instantly create a Wormhole, and with the addition of the 7 borg transwarp hubs, star trek clearly has an advantage.
I belive that the Force would make the difference.
Are there Mediclorians in the Milky Way? If so is there enough to make things move psychically?
In SW a simple bloodtest can count someone's mediclorian rate while in ST no such thing exists.
However that would mean SW would win should Trek invades
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ST should win if SW invades the Milky Way.
The mere mention of the abomination known as midichlorians invalidates everything SW. The prequels do not exist. I will stick my fingers in my ears and hum to myself every time someone says they do.
As for the force, what would it do vs androids like Data or holographic life forms like the Doctor? There's only a handful of force users in the entire SW universe and to be honest none were badass enough to stand against overwhelming force.
There's also questions like if a lightsaber could deflect a phaser or disruptor blast or if it could even affect a hologram.
Even if a powerful force user like the emperor were to board a ST starship, what's to stop the crew from initiating a site-to-site transport and trapping him in the buffer or transporting him directly to the brig surrounded by a forcefield? SW blasters are nowhere close to ST assault rifles or even simple handheld phasers.
Here's something else to consider: if it winds up feds vs empire, won't SW's rebels side with the feds? Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and Chewie and Lando fighting alongside Picard, Worf, Sisko, Janeway and Data? My money's on the good guys.
An army of holograms would be almost impossible to kill. Especially how bad Stormtroopers are at shooting. It never made sense how easily we could kill the Bonnie Kins hologram in What Lies Beneath. In order to defeat a hologram, you need to destroy the projectors or hack the computer. Firing at it with some weapon just doesn't work.
An army of holograms would be almost impossible to kill. Especially how bad Stormtroopers are at shooting. It never made sense how easily we could kill the Bonnie Kins hologram in What Lies Beneath. In order to defeat a hologram, you need to destroy the projectors or hack the computer. Firing at it with some weapon just doesn't work.
The doctor stated several times that firing an energy weapon at a hologram might cause feedback and disrupt the holomatrix.
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I believe Star Trek computer systems may have superior processing capability. Star Wars holograms are, by Alpha Quadrant standards, rudamentary at best, while Star Trek ones can be so realistic you could actually have a holographic organ in an emergency, let alone recreat people and places in such detail that you couldn't tell it was a hologram.
If we go into non canon stuff with holotech... USS Incursion. GG no RE.
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Well, idk about all the economics and whatnot, but based on what I've seen in the Star Wars universe, I have to say that Trek would win, at least on the battlefield. I'll give an example. An example. During the battle of end or, we see, again and again, the near uselessness of shields on SW ships (or, in the case of imperial fighters, a complete lack of them). We see, quite clearly, that 2 A-Wings, in a single pass, are able to take out the shield generators of a Super-Class star destroyer. And they seem to do it by simply passing through its shields to begin with. Now, if we put that same destroyer up against a Galaxy class starship, which not only has far more maneuverability, but better shields and more powerful weapons, its safe to assume that this is no contest. Hell, I'm pretty sure an NX prototype would be a match for the Executor. Not only that, but we never see the star wars ships use any kind of scientific attack. The enterprise, for example, has shown its ability to generate all manner of energy attacks, shield disabling beams, and even the ability to vaporize the atmosphere of an entire planet. It's not as straightforward as the death stars super laser, but it has essentially the same effect.
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There's also the fact that Federation shield generators, or any Trek shield generators, aren't held in domes propped up on stands in THE MOST EXPOSED WAY POSSIBLE.
Also... it takes 2 different kind of shields in Star Wars to achieve the same level of protection a Trek shield provides, blocking both energy and projectile based attacks.
As to the A-Wings... Its possible that Star Wars shields don't form a bubble around the ship like most Trek shields depicted until about First Contact or Insurrection.
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LOL you trekkers are funny. Mind taking this debate to a neutral site like spacebattles? Nice to put a versus debate on a Star Trek site. You guys would get embarrassed anywhere else saying star trek would win versus star wars...
Not a chance. Not a ship in the entire federation can beat a Super Star Destroyer. You trekkers should focus on normal Star Destroyers first.
Heavy Warships versus exploration ships? Funny, so funny. LOL it's like a modern cruise ship versus a 1945 battleship. Star trek stuff looks advanced but looks is all that's going for them. Looks. A single Star Destroyer is armed with about 70+ weapons, 45+ fighters, and a squadron of bombers.
(Babylon 5 fan here, So I'm not bias)
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LOL you trekkers are funny. Mind taking this debate to a neutral site like spacebattles? Nice to put a versus debate on a Star Trek site. You guys would get embarrassed anywhere else saying star trek would win versus star wars...
Not a chance. Not a ship in the entire federation can beat a Super Star Destroyer. You trekkers should focus on normal Star Destroyers first.
Heavy Warships versus exploration ships? Funny, so funny. LOL it's like a modern cruise ship versus a 1945 battleship. Star trek stuff looks advanced but looks is all that's going for them. Looks. A single Star Destroyer is armed with about 70+ weapons, 45+ fighters, and a squadron of bombers.
The dress is gold and white. Over 70% people says so. When viewed from a certain screen angle it appears blue and black. The dress displayed on amazon is a blue and black dress, but it's not the same dress in the picture. If you're seeing blue & black you're slightly colored blind. A normal upright screen = white and gold.
Using just the movies and their novelizations (the latter of which were written with direct approval from Lucas)...
In ST, canon means what's seen on screen. So I treat SW the same, regardless what SW fanboys may prefer.
In ST TOS we see the Enterprise at the edge of the galaxy on three occasions. It didn't take them months to get there. Furthermore the Kelvans modified the old TOS engines to make the intergalactic journey to Andromeda in about 300 years. That's roughly 8,460 times the speed of light.
In ST-V we see the Enterprise travel to the center of the galaxy in a short time. We don't know their exact point of origin but Earth is about 2/3 of the way and they didn't appear to travel very far to get that "Planet of Galactic Peace."
And as someone mentioned, we have no way to compare the size the the SW galaxy to the Milky Way. SW could be dwarf elliptical for all we know.
But the reality is all of this is made up by writers, and both "warp speed" and "hyperdrive" have no firm definitions and often wind up being contradictory from story to story. The claims of hyperdrive being "faster" is not based on fact.
Heavy Warships versus exploration ships? Funny, so funny. LOL it's like a modern cruise ship versus a 1945 battleship. Star trek stuff looks advanced but looks is all that's going for them. Looks. A single Star Destroyer is armed with about 70+ weapons, 45+ fighters, and a squadron of bombers.
Fed ships can fire torpedoes while at warp, so the poor SW gunners would not know what hit them while their ship is exploding all around them.
It would literally be like shooting the broad side of a barn, only with automated targeting. Maybe "fishing with dynamite" is better analogy.
In ST, canon means what's seen on screen. So I treat SW the same, regardless what SW fanboys may prefer.
Sorry, you don't get to decide what the canon policy is. SW is all-inclusive. ST is just the films and TV shows, and TNG extensively retconned the speeds of warp drive. Deal with it.
Fed ships can fire torpedoes while at warp, so the poor SW gunners would not know what hit them while their ship is exploding all around them.
It would literally be like shooting the broad side of a barn, only with automated targeting. Maybe "fishing with dynamite" is better analogy.
Oh, right, warp strafing. That old saw. Have you ever seen any evidence that they can fire and hit a target that is traveling at faster than light speed relative to them? Because I sure haven't. Every time a ship traveling at warp has fired a weapon, it was aimed at another ship that was also traveling at warp, meaning relative velocity < c.
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You mean while Trek tickles a ISD's shields with obsolete weak weapons? 64 megaton torpedoes versus terraton rated shields. Not going to even talk about the armor...
It would surely take about 15,000 hours for the feds to drop a star destroyer's shields with those puny weapons. Phasers hitting at the rate of 15 kilotons a second? Most Babylon five weapons hit harder than that.
Trek just better stay at warp and do nothing. Only way they wont get vaporized with 15,800 gigatons of firepower on sight. It's not a fight. Go fight BattleStar Galactica, or star gate. LOL.
The dress is gold and white. Over 70% people says so. When viewed from a certain screen angle it appears blue and black. The dress displayed on amazon is a blue and black dress, but it's not the same dress in the picture. If you're seeing blue & black you're slightly colored blind. A normal upright screen = white and gold.
You're right, starsword, we don't decide what SW canon is. Lucasfilm does. And the last pronouncement on the topic before the sale of Lucasfilm and Lucasarts to Disney, was that "canon" was what we saw in the movies and the Clone Wars TV series. The EU was tossed. So sadly, midichlorians are canon, but thank the Maker the Sun-Crusher isn't. (Or the Star Forge, for that matter.)
Have you ever seen any evidence that they can fire and hit a target that is traveling at faster than light speed relative to them?
Yes. TOS episode: Journey to Babel. The Enterprise is at impulse and the Orion ship attacks by making multiple passes at "Warp 10" (pre-TNG scale) with good effectiveness.
Secondly, even if we had to come out of warp to fire (which we don't) we could fire and jump back to warp a lot faster then it would take those lumbering SW behemoths to react.
Also, regarding the disparate scales of Fed ships vs SW capital ships, you seem to be thinking bigger must be harder to disable/cripple/destroy. As I said before, just a few well-placed quantum torpedoes and say goodbye to your engines. Plus you've seen many instances of the pinpoint accuracy of Fed weapons to take out specific systems such as weapons. So now your big impressive SW capital ship is defenseless and drifting through space. Go ahead, launch your little TIE fighters. LOL.
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Ground troops are pointless when the massive starfleets of Star Wars clear the local space of any resisting forces, then conduct Base Delta Zero. The Galactic Empire was not the only one fond of pounding civilizations to nonexistence with a single starship.
As I've said before in an earlier reply, the Hyperdrives of Star Wars enables any spacefaring ship to Jump to Lightspeed and travel across the galaxy. It will take some time like it would driving across the United States to go across Star Wars' established galaxy. But that technological feat which is so commonplace in SW makes space travel in Star Trek look like the Flinstones.
Combine that with again, the massive scale of warfare, ship construction, recruitment, cloning, etc, the size of fleets being flung in every direction for warfare on a GALACTIC scale, with the Hyperdrives... it's not a contest at all.
The major powers of Star Trek can't do anything of this capability, of that scale. You have proficient soldiers, warriors, yes. So do these same things exist in Star Wars. You have proficient military leaders in Star Trek. Yes, so do these same things exist in Star Wars.
But the capability to conduct war on a galactic level? Combined with Hyperdrives? You can present these massive starfleets anywhere in good time compared to Star Trek fleets traveling at a snail's pace. Pick any of the existing major players from Star Wars movies, and they'll wipe the floor with the Star Trek universe. Whether you do the Galactic Republic or the Galactic Empire. Either one would BURY any and all the major powers of Star Trek.
It's not a contest at all.
P.S. - I haven't even thrown in the likes of Force Users into the equation :P
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I think the battle of Endor is a pretty humilating case for Star Wars technology. Trees can be used to destroy an AT ST.
And we've seen Phasers disintegrate people and stuff. We've seen Blasters being used to stun, but not to disintegrate. Considering that Starfleet doesn't really seem to use armor for ground combat, I would still expect the Star Wars arsenal to be effective against ground troops - but their "tanks" would still be dismantled quickly. But it sure would be a bloody affair if there is no aerial or space support.
And of course - if an AT-ST armour cannot withstand a tree stump, an AT-AT armour can't survive falling down, one has to wonder if that doesn't mean that even their weaponry is not that impressive.
The Death Star seems like something out of scope for the Federation or most factions in Star Trek to build. But I am afraid the trench run would be no difficult to an experienced Starfleet Shuttle Pilot, and if that fails - getting troops on board seems not impossible, either. Either the Death Star does not have shields in the first place (could be, it's frigging huge), or the shields can be penetrated at least by shuttles, so either a shuttle craft or a transporter could get troops aboard to shut down the reactor. With the Nemesis Personal Transporters it could even be feasible to capture an Imperial Shuttle and sneak aboard, and then beam directly to the core. If Personal Transporters are unavailable, retrofitting a captured shuttle should work, too.
I think Han Solo was talking about blowing a planet up into asteroids, while the Enterprise was just about destroying the surface of a planet. That is quite some difference. We've actually seen the latter happen and being done by a fleet of ships in Star Trek - the suspected Founder homeworld was under attack by the Romulan-Cardassian Fleet and with the first salvo, 30 % of the planet's crust were gone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfOHzGeu0u0. If that planet is earth-like, that means roughly a 10 km thick shell on a 50,000,000 km² surface. They'd still have 6,360 km to burn through...
Not sure how many ships were in the fleet, but 150 Je'Hardar ships were enough to take care of them.
Which is why I said that Empire v Dominion would be a much fairer comparison than Federation v Empire. The Dominion is just much closer on the industrial scale than the Federation is. I'm not sure if it's expressly mentioned in the Star Wars canon, but at least from EU sources the Kuat Shipyards are able to build an Imperial-Class Star Destroyer in something on the order of a month. That's a similar timescale to what Sisko and Ross were talking about when considering bottle-necking the Dominion in the Cardassian System.
Keep in mind, when I say 1 ISD in a few months, that's just a single drydock - Kuat has hundreds building everything from Corvettes to SSDs. That's an industrial capacity, frankly, that only the Dominion and the Borg could match.
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The empire has 2 guys with the force, I highly doubt they'll be able to make a significant difference in a galaxy wide invasion.
Using just the movies and their novelizations (the latter of which were written with direct approval from Lucas), traveling from Tatooine, explicitly one of the furthest, if not the furthest, planets from the center of the galaxy, to Coruscant, which is near the galactic core, is an easy trip with a hyperdrive, and a salvaged one bought from a junk dealer at that (TPM). According to some of the RPG sources Alderaan's maybe two-thirds to half that distance, and in ANH the Falcon makes the trip in no more than a couple hours.
See also Admiral Piett in TESB stating after the Avenger loses the Falcon that "if the Millennium Falcon went into lightspeed, it'll be on the other side of the galaxy by now." It's a setting where people casually talk about traveling to the other side of the galaxy as if they were running into town to go to the grocery store.
Actually the books stated the SW galaxy to be about thirty percent larger than the Milky Way.
Honestly, I always rationalized the use of "lightspeed" in SW as either being a slang term, or "you have to get up to near c to jump to hyperspace".
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The mere mention of the abomination known as midichlorians invalidates everything SW. The prequels do not exist. I will stick my fingers in my ears and hum to myself every time someone says they do.
As for the force, what would it do vs androids like Data or holographic life forms like the Doctor? There's only a handful of force users in the entire SW universe and to be honest none were badass enough to stand against overwhelming force.
There's also questions like if a lightsaber could deflect a phaser or disruptor blast or if it could even affect a hologram.
Even if a powerful force user like the emperor were to board a ST starship, what's to stop the crew from initiating a site-to-site transport and trapping him in the buffer or transporting him directly to the brig surrounded by a forcefield? SW blasters are nowhere close to ST assault rifles or even simple handheld phasers.
Here's something else to consider: if it winds up feds vs empire, won't SW's rebels side with the feds? Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and Chewie and Lando fighting alongside Picard, Worf, Sisko, Janeway and Data? My money's on the good guys.
The doctor stated several times that firing an energy weapon at a hologram might cause feedback and disrupt the holomatrix.
If we go into non canon stuff with holotech... USS Incursion. GG no RE.
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Also... it takes 2 different kind of shields in Star Wars to achieve the same level of protection a Trek shield provides, blocking both energy and projectile based attacks.
As to the A-Wings... Its possible that Star Wars shields don't form a bubble around the ship like most Trek shields depicted until about First Contact or Insurrection.
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Not a chance. Not a ship in the entire federation can beat a Super Star Destroyer. You trekkers should focus on normal Star Destroyers first.
Heavy Warships versus exploration ships? Funny, so funny. LOL it's like a modern cruise ship versus a 1945 battleship. Star trek stuff looks advanced but looks is all that's going for them. Looks. A single Star Destroyer is armed with about 70+ weapons, 45+ fighters, and a squadron of bombers.
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In ST TOS we see the Enterprise at the edge of the galaxy on three occasions. It didn't take them months to get there. Furthermore the Kelvans modified the old TOS engines to make the intergalactic journey to Andromeda in about 300 years. That's roughly 8,460 times the speed of light.
In ST-V we see the Enterprise travel to the center of the galaxy in a short time. We don't know their exact point of origin but Earth is about 2/3 of the way and they didn't appear to travel very far to get that "Planet of Galactic Peace."
And as someone mentioned, we have no way to compare the size the the SW galaxy to the Milky Way. SW could be dwarf elliptical for all we know.
But the reality is all of this is made up by writers, and both "warp speed" and "hyperdrive" have no firm definitions and often wind up being contradictory from story to story. The claims of hyperdrive being "faster" is not based on fact.
It would literally be like shooting the broad side of a barn, only with automated targeting. Maybe "fishing with dynamite" is better analogy.
Oh, right, warp strafing. That old saw. Have you ever seen any evidence that they can fire and hit a target that is traveling at faster than light speed relative to them? Because I sure haven't. Every time a ship traveling at warp has fired a weapon, it was aimed at another ship that was also traveling at warp, meaning relative velocity < c.
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You mean while Trek tickles a ISD's shields with obsolete weak weapons? 64 megaton torpedoes versus terraton rated shields. Not going to even talk about the armor...
It would surely take about 15,000 hours for the feds to drop a star destroyer's shields with those puny weapons. Phasers hitting at the rate of 15 kilotons a second? Most Babylon five weapons hit harder than that.
Trek just better stay at warp and do nothing. Only way they wont get vaporized with 15,800 gigatons of firepower on sight. It's not a fight. Go fight BattleStar Galactica, or star gate. LOL.
Secondly, even if we had to come out of warp to fire (which we don't) we could fire and jump back to warp a lot faster then it would take those lumbering SW behemoths to react.
Also, regarding the disparate scales of Fed ships vs SW capital ships, you seem to be thinking bigger must be harder to disable/cripple/destroy. As I said before, just a few well-placed quantum torpedoes and say goodbye to your engines. Plus you've seen many instances of the pinpoint accuracy of Fed weapons to take out specific systems such as weapons. So now your big impressive SW capital ship is defenseless and drifting through space. Go ahead, launch your little TIE fighters. LOL.
P.S. Laughing at your link. Just because some guy made a Wiki doesn't make it true.