Did the op ever specify what excactly the insult was?
I mean some are insulted if someone posts dps logs and they see how bad they are. I assume thats the op cause in a way he feels the other guy is right or he wouldnt ask for combatlogging (aka the proove of his bad dps) to be removed from the game.
Not saying insulting others is okay but reasonable amount of thick skin can also ne expected.
Either you really dont care about your dps then y dont you just ignore the other guy?
Or maybe you secretly DO care and just dont want to admit it? Maybe he didnt even say anything real bad but just stated the truth like you and your ship didnt help advance the mission at all with dps that low? Maybe he told you not to queue for advanced mission where you have to be carried?
in the end I posted dmg done by all (I did around 60% of the teams dmg output)
after that one of the others said I shall go away with my dps and F*** myself
Did you ask beforehand, if they want to know their DPS?
Or did you simply want to show of your uber DPS and shaming your team mates?
Sent in a new one. 29k this time. Let me know if you guys received it, k? Thx.
It didn't complain about participaton time, this time.
In CLR, search your in game handle through the DPS-League table button. This will let you know if it's been uploaded ok.
DPS is elitist? I can see how some people could make that mistake. The higher tier channels certainly. If you've seen how some of the people act in there, I'd agree with you. But as a general rule, some people like to know how they are doing. Some people might want to know, but don't have CLR and are happy to see it posted after the game.
If you don't like it, you don't actually have to read it.
If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
In CLR, search your in game handle through the DPS-League table button. This will let you know if it's been uploaded ok.
Thx for the tip! Yes, seems it was received in good order now, with 100% game participation time, this time. Guess queue-ing from sector space paid off.
DPS is elitist? I can see how some people could make that mistake. The higher tier channels certainly. If you've seen how some of the people act in there, I'd agree with you. But as a general rule, some people like to know how they are doing. Some people might want to know, but don't have CLR and are happy to see it posted after the game.
For the record, I don't see myself as an Elitist at all, really. Just having fun. But yes, sometimes the fun is in seeing your investments (in learning, and, Lord knows in Dilithium) paid off.
this is morning, i have insulted a guy. i don't like to do that; in fact i hate to do that. since the wizards of sto have posted their vids; there are more and more players with antiproton build and faw who think that they can destroy everything, alone. they try to do exactly the same thing, but they fail to destroy the cube and instead they destroy a node.
fortunately i used my language not english for writing the insult and they don't have understood :P
Are you sure, you did spend enough $$$ on this game? Because DPS is the main philosophy of STFs and Delta Rising is pushing it to a whole new level. iIf i am not wrong, the only thing you do is to kill, kill, kill ... just think about it.
You should perhaps try the Cryptic Casino with lock boxes and packs promotions on store?
Character classes (espacially sci & eng) do not matter anymoree, as they became redundant.
yes only dps have matter - simple sto mechanic = bigger damage = faster run.
on pug runs one player deal big dmg but all peps get the same rewards = frustrations.
teamplay/support?, ya, right! my boffs have heal/debuff skills = unbalanced classes
u want big damge? buy escort/lockbox ship, put on it 1 energy type, spire consoles/lobi consoles, dhc/dbb (front), turrets/omni (rear) or beam arrays - use skills to buff urself = you are ready for 20-30k = lol
Publically calling them out because they made you feel bad is like screaming into the vacuum - no one cares. Not the DPS channels and certainly not cryptic.
More like deciding to get an education, and then getting angry at the teacher for making you feel inferior. Either you want to learn, or you don't.
im sick and tired of being insulted because i cant pump out 30k dps or higher when i go into stf's. i play the game to have fun not to have a megaship that id have to wallet up anyhow. if u have a mega damage ship, enjoy it but DONT INSULT ME. quickest way to my ignore list. i think cryptic needs to disable whatever dps readers exist just so the players running em cant insult other players.
I know man, this whole DPS TRIBBLE is becoming more annoying by each day. Just ignore the idiot, but first say to him some really nasty bad words lol. I lost count on how many DPS morrons I ignored. And I do agree, they should ban those blasted parsers.
In fact, I wish there was a system that would not allow teaming with ppl you ignored. That way everyone would mind their own fun...
I pugged ISA and noone said anything the whole run
in the end I posted dmg done by all (I did around 60% of the teams dmg output)
after that one of the others said I shall go away with my dps and F*** myself
toxic players.... you cant do anything but push the IGNORE button
Actually, you were the toxic one. That is one of the reasons I ignore any1 who does that. Why did you do that? Did you felt the need for validation? Or for bragging? Or you wanted a cookie? Becouse if no1 asked about a log, then their actions were justified.
Actually, you were the toxic one. That is one of the reasons I ignore any1 who does that. Why did you do that? Did you felt the need for validation? Or for bragging? Or you wanted a cookie? Becouse if no1 asked about a log, then their actions were justified.
No, no they weren't. You're so wrong on that. If people see it as bait, don't rise to it. But as has been said before, there is no harm in posting a log as there is usually one or two who like to see pretty numbers. If you don't care for it, that's fine as well. Ignore it, but not necessarily the player.
Don't always assume the worst because it's not always the case.
If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
Actually, you were the toxic one. That is one of the reasons I ignore any1 who does that. Why did you do that? Did you felt the need for validation? Or for bragging? Or you wanted a cookie? Becouse if no1 asked about a log, then their actions were justified.
Out of experience, most players dont know their stats (and now you can compress numbers so its possible to post all dps, damage in and heal in a single post). Out of 10, 5-6 will ignore it, 2-3 will ask for help and the rest will whine about dps not being everything (which is partially true, but dps=fast runs&optionals&no-failing).
So in the end, you can help players who want to actively contribute to just do that. I dont care what the scrubs think about posting logs. Whoever is a hindrance to teamsuccess, which can easily translated to dps (dps guys- the good ones- are DD,Tank,Healer at the same time), should either learn to play (new player, non-scrub) or just play normal (scrub). For lower dps-teams CC is an alternative to DPS (I likended DR to be a buff for sciships in this regard), but in the end DPS can make CC needless.
If you dont want to see Logs in teamchat, deactivate it alltogether. Normally those who are against it dont read teamchat ("teamwork") in the first place.
Advanced / Elite Difficulty level, well what does that mean?
Doesn't it mean, a player has to be "advanced" or "Elite" to join it? What is the level a player has to reach to call him / her advanced or Elite?
To put it in hard facts, a team of 5 players doing 3 - 4k DPS each will fail advanced Missions 95% of the time, Elite 100%. Thats not the reader, thats not insulting, thats THE GAME, thats the way the game is build, love it or leave it.
And that brings me to the next point, you know you are dealing lets say 5k DPS, you know that this will not be enough, if the whole team is playing this level, but you join Elite or advanced difficulty level. Doesn't it mean, you keep your fingeres crossed to get 1 or 2 of this evil, mean bad TRIBBLE High DPS junkies do carry you thru the STF, cause it will fail, if the rest of the team is not better than you are?
You are insulted, if somebody is dealing 10 times more damage and DPS than you do ...
Be happy you got such a person in the team, so it did not fail!!
The problem is not high DPS players, the problem is not a tool to read the DPS, the problem is players thinking they should join in difficulty levels they are not ready for.
Guys its called ADVANCED and ELITE do you you realy think, you are advanced or elite if you hang around with less then 10k DPS?
Do you realy think, you are a help for anybody, joining Advanced or Elite difficulty with 3 - 4k DPS ships.
Finaly, to get some hate posts:
Joining Advanced or Elite difficulty with ships 6 -7k DPS or less and knowing it, is nothing else but leeching. You join in, knowing you are not good enough, just hoping there are others in the team to get the match thru. Its leeching, nothing more, nothing less.
Advanced / Elite Difficulty level, well what does that mean?
Doesn't it mean, a player has to be "advanced" or "Elite" to join it? What is the level a player has to reach to call him / her advanced or Elite?
To put it in hard facts, a team of 5 players doing 3 - 4k DPS each will fail advanced Missions 95% of the time, Elite 100%. Thats not the reader, thats not insulting, thats THE GAME, thats the way the game is build, love it or leave it.
And that brings me to the next point, you know you are dealing lets say 5k DPS, you know that this will not be enough, if the whole team is playing this level, but you join Elite or advanced difficulty level. Doesn't it mean, you keep your fingeres crossed to get 1 or 2 of this evil, mean bad TRIBBLE High DPS junkies do carry you thru the STF, cause it will fail, if the rest of the team is not better than you are?
You are insulted, if somebody is dealing 10 times more damage and DPS than you do ...
Be happy you got such a person in the team, so it did not fail!!
The problem is not high DPS players, the problem is not a tool to read the DPS, the problem is players thinking they should join in difficulty levels they are not ready for.
Guys its called ADVANCED and ELITE do you you realy think, you are advanced or elite if you hang around with less then 10k DPS?
Do you realy think, you are a help for anybody, joining Advanced or Elite difficulty with 3 - 4k DPS ships.
Finaly, to get some hate posts:
Joining Advanced or Elite difficulty with ships 6 -7k DPS or less and knowing it, is nothing else but leeching. You join in, knowing you are not good enough, just hoping there are others in the team to get the match thru. Its leeching, nothing more, nothing less.
New forum poster or 2nd forum account or something...but if we're all honest, this guy has said what a lot of people feel and think. The game is sadly DPS focused. We have tiers for a reason and whether rightly or wrongly, it's what we have to deal with.
If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
Advanced / Elite Difficulty level, well what does that mean?
Doesn't it mean, a player has to be "advanced" or "Elite" to join it? What is the level a player has to reach to call him / her advanced or Elite?
To put it in hard facts, a team of 5 players doing 3 - 4k DPS each will fail advanced Missions 95% of the time, Elite 100%. Thats not the reader, thats not insulting, thats THE GAME, thats the way the game is build, love it or leave it.
And that brings me to the next point, you know you are dealing lets say 5k DPS, you know that this will not be enough, if the whole team is playing this level, but you join Elite or advanced difficulty level. Doesn't it mean, you keep your fingeres crossed to get 1 or 2 of this evil, mean bad TRIBBLE High DPS junkies do carry you thru the STF, cause it will fail, if the rest of the team is not better than you are?
You are insulted, if somebody is dealing 10 times more damage and DPS than you do ...
Be happy you got such a person in the team, so it did not fail!!
The problem is not high DPS players, the problem is not a tool to read the DPS, the problem is players thinking they should join in difficulty levels they are not ready for.
Guys its called ADVANCED and ELITE do you you realy think, you are advanced or elite if you hang around with less then 10k DPS?
Do you realy think, you are a help for anybody, joining Advanced or Elite difficulty with 3 - 4k DPS ships.
Finaly, to get some hate posts:
Joining Advanced or Elite difficulty with ships 6 -7k DPS or less and knowing it, is nothing else but leeching. You join in, knowing you are not good enough, just hoping there are others in the team to get the match thru. Its leeching, nothing more, nothing less.
No, I will tell you what the problem is, realistically. The problem is that to get rep gear, you either have to gamble with a 20 hour cooldown to maybe get 1 BNP or whatever flavor rep you want a piece of gear from or you can gable with a the cooldown on a failed Advanced. If you play normal, you're not going to get them at all. Thankfully, I had all the reputation items I wanted before the "you have to run advanced to gear for advanced" malarkey was introduced.
As long as they leave it this way, 2k dps is going to queue up for advanced. The flaw is in the system, not the players who put out 2k dps. They can get the marks other ways.
No, I will tell you what the problem is, realistically. The problem is that to get rep gear, you either have to gamble with a 20 hour cooldown to maybe get 1 BNP or whatever flavor rep you want a piece of gear from or you can gable with a the cooldown on a failed Advanced. If you play normal, you're not going to get them at all. Thankfully, I had all the reputation items I wanted before the "you have to run advanced to gear for advanced" malarkey was introduced.
As long as they leave it this way, 2k dps is going to queue up for advanced. The flaw is in the system, not the players who put out 2k dps. They can get the marks other ways.
You can get 10k with free lv40 ships and free missiongear. Your logic is haxed. You dont need repgear for 10k, and 10k is more than enough for advanced. Sciships might do a bit (a bit!) less, but can easily compensate with tbr and gw.
You dont need to run advanced to get advanced gear. That is the most common misconception people have about this game: Its not gear-based,but skill (build, piloting, synergies)-based.
No, I will tell you what the problem is, realistically. The problem is that to get rep gear, you either have to gamble with a 20 hour cooldown to maybe get 1 BNP or whatever flavor rep you want a piece of gear from or you can gable with a the cooldown on a failed Advanced. If you play normal, you're not going to get them at all. Thankfully, I had all the reputation items I wanted before the "you have to run advanced to gear for advanced" malarkey was introduced.
As long as they leave it this way, 2k dps is going to queue up for advanced. The flaw is in the system, not the players who put out 2k dps. They can get the marks other ways.
indeed.
2nd problem: classes. tacticaan can use sci/eng skills, engineer can use sci/tac ships etc.
3rd problem imho is queue system. All players can join elite when they reach 60lvl (but u know i can lvl my toon by duty system and join to match without gear or skills). that system doesn't check damage/heal/gear/ignore list - anything, just queue peps.
4th problem: optionals are not optional.
5.6.7.8.9.... and more... and bugs... and lags... and where is my mommy...
You can get 10k with free lv40 ships and free missiongear. Your logic is haxed. You dont need repgear for 10k, and 10k is more than enough for advanced. Sciships might do a bit (a bit!) less, but can easily compensate with tbr and gw.
You dont need to run advanced to get advanced gear. That is the most common misconception people have about this game: Its not gear-based,but skill (build, piloting, synergies)-based.
It doesn't matter if they need it or not. They want it. So show me in a normal mission where they get the items they need for reputation gear?
Show me in a normal mission where they get the items they need for reputation gear?
Thats not the issue. Your post implied "you need repgear to play advance" and that is plainly wrong. You can get gear for playing advanced for free (with good dps and tanking ability) so your argument of "the 2k players must play advance to get better" is just wrong.
You can get all gear you need for 10k (which would more than qualify to play advanced) from mission and free. Then you can get repgear and will see that its not required. It just makes it a bit easier.
It doesn't matter if they need it or not. They want it. So show me in a normal mission where they get the items they need for reputation gear?
Which is the problem Cryptic introduced. Some players just aren't good enough for advanced and need to get carried by 1/2 DPS people. It's not that good a system. There should be a tiered reward system for BNPs. Or perhaps better, a rep project to allow lower skilled players to convert a certain amount of marks into a BNP to then allow them to get the better gear without potentially TRIBBLE up the advanced or elite for other people.
If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
Thats not the issue. Your post implied "you need repgear to play advance" and that is plainly wrong. You can get gear for playing advanced for free (with good dps and tanking ability) so your argument of "the 2k players must play advance to get better" is just wrong.
You can get all gear you need for 10k (which would more than qualify to play advanced) from mission and free. Then you can get repgear and will see that its not required. It just makes it a bit easier.
Well, let me correct it for you. They grind their asses off doing reputation systems to get items to put onto their ships they may or may not know how to fly and they want the rewards they worked for and the only way they can get them is to go into advanced. Nitpick all you want.
Well, let me correct it for you. They grind their asses off doing reputation systems to get items to put onto their ships they may or may not know how to fly and they want the rewards they worked for and the only way they can get them is to go into advanced. Nitpick all you want.
Admittedly the Borg gear (well deflector and engines) are very nice gear, the Solonae gear (free) isn't that far short of it. Mix that in with weapons and shields readily available from many sources and you have 10K DPS if you know what you are doing. If you don't you most likely won't have the right gear in the first place and then rage when you see others doing far better than you.
Hell I only do around 16-18K DPS yet I've been called all sorts of names for just trying to help people. I've ignored people who've attacked others for just not knowing what they are doing. Though those players really should be playing normal 99% of the time for practice more than anything.
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
Well, let me correct it for you. They grind their asses off doing reputation systems to get items to put onto their ships they may or may not know how to fly and they want the rewards they worked for and the only way they can get them is to go into advanced. Nitpick all you want.
Except, they didn't "work for the rewards" for the rep gear, because they didn't do the missions they need to get that gear. If your argument is that some players feel bad/frustrated because they are not good enough to complete advanced/elite missions, but they still want the advanced/elite gear... I mean, sure, I'm sure there are people like that. I don't care, though, because their feelings are factually incorrect.
Your post implied "you need repgear to play advance" and that is plainly wrong.
Again, rather the opposite: you need to play Advanceds to get the rep gear. And it honestly doesn't really matter whether you, or anyone else, think they 'deserve' rep gear. Cryptic simply set up the system that way: if you want Ancient Power Cells, you'll need to run Advanceds.
I think Ancient Power Cells (like heretofore Alien Artifacts) should simply become tradeable. I know, this will immediately make Geko go "OMG! Then won't do my precious grinds!" Bullocks. Again, ere the opposite: without Ancient Power Cells people can't spend his precious Dilithium on rep gear. It's really that simple.
In a pug, I once had a guy get angry at the people on the opposite side in KASA because of their "low" DPS in his parser. For those who don't know, one has to be close to the person parsing for the parser to pick up their damage numbers. I tired to explain what was going on, but he would have none of it.
do you have a link for this... every time i have parsed it has recorded all damage in the instance.....I was stood at the staging area in New rom watching a player cause/receive damage in the mountain pass....
They are correct, your tactic is antique and a lot more timeconsuming, as their would still be a split-up of teamdamage. Extrapolating from what I know of you now, I doubt they had problems compensating.
Would you please be so kind as to explain what you mean here? If his way is antique, how does the "new" way work? It sounds to me like he's doing it the way the walkthrough on the wiki says.
I'm not being sarky, this is a sincere inquiry.
I'm like, one of those 5-6K DPS guys, and trying hard to up my game here. I've been working hard on improving my build since I came back to STO, but it sounds like my techniques need some work, too.
Threads like this almost make me want to just go play something else, just because they seem to be saying I'm hopelessly effed...
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I mean some are insulted if someone posts dps logs and they see how bad they are. I assume thats the op cause in a way he feels the other guy is right or he wouldnt ask for combatlogging (aka the proove of his bad dps) to be removed from the game.
Not saying insulting others is okay but reasonable amount of thick skin can also ne expected.
Either you really dont care about your dps then y dont you just ignore the other guy?
Or maybe you secretly DO care and just dont want to admit it? Maybe he didnt even say anything real bad but just stated the truth like you and your ship didnt help advance the mission at all with dps that low? Maybe he told you not to queue for advanced mission where you have to be carried?
I pugged ISA and noone said anything the whole run
in the end I posted dmg done by all (I did around 60% of the teams dmg output)
after that one of the others said I shall go away with my dps and F*** myself
toxic players.... you cant do anything but push the IGNORE button
Did you ask beforehand, if they want to know their DPS?
Or did you simply want to show of your uber DPS and shaming your team mates?
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Sent in a new one. 29k this time.
It didn't complain about participaton time, this time.
In CLR, search your in game handle through the DPS-League table button. This will let you know if it's been uploaded ok.
DPS is elitist? I can see how some people could make that mistake. The higher tier channels certainly. If you've seen how some of the people act in there, I'd agree with you. But as a general rule, some people like to know how they are doing. Some people might want to know, but don't have CLR and are happy to see it posted after the game.
If you don't like it, you don't actually have to read it.
Thx for the tip! Yes, seems it was received in good order now, with 100% game participation time, this time.
For the record, I don't see myself as an Elitist at all, really. Just having fun.
Eagerly awaiting the invite then.
fortunately i used my language not english for writing the insult and they don't have understood :P
dont write anything on teamchat when you pug stf... and correct, use ignore button
yes only dps have matter - simple sto mechanic = bigger damage = faster run.
on pug runs one player deal big dmg but all peps get the same rewards = frustrations.
teamplay/support?, ya, right! my boffs have heal/debuff skills = unbalanced classes
u want big damge? buy escort/lockbox ship, put on it 1 energy type, spire consoles/lobi consoles, dhc/dbb (front), turrets/omni (rear) or beam arrays - use skills to buff urself = you are ready for 20-30k = lol
dont worry, delta rising is the best expansion!
More like deciding to get an education, and then getting angry at the teacher for making you feel inferior. Either you want to learn, or you don't.
I know man, this whole DPS TRIBBLE is becoming more annoying by each day. Just ignore the idiot, but first say to him some really nasty bad words lol. I lost count on how many DPS morrons I ignored. And I do agree, they should ban those blasted parsers.
In fact, I wish there was a system that would not allow teaming with ppl you ignored. That way everyone would mind their own fun...
Actually, you were the toxic one. That is one of the reasons I ignore any1 who does that. Why did you do that? Did you felt the need for validation? Or for bragging? Or you wanted a cookie? Becouse if no1 asked about a log, then their actions were justified.
Are you crazy? That'd make Cryptic's reporting error even worse.
No, no they weren't. You're so wrong on that. If people see it as bait, don't rise to it. But as has been said before, there is no harm in posting a log as there is usually one or two who like to see pretty numbers. If you don't care for it, that's fine as well. Ignore it, but not necessarily the player.
Don't always assume the worst because it's not always the case.
Out of experience, most players dont know their stats (and now you can compress numbers so its possible to post all dps, damage in and heal in a single post). Out of 10, 5-6 will ignore it, 2-3 will ask for help and the rest will whine about dps not being everything (which is partially true, but dps=fast runs&optionals&no-failing).
So in the end, you can help players who want to actively contribute to just do that. I dont care what the scrubs think about posting logs. Whoever is a hindrance to teamsuccess, which can easily translated to dps (dps guys- the good ones- are DD,Tank,Healer at the same time), should either learn to play (new player, non-scrub) or just play normal (scrub). For lower dps-teams CC is an alternative to DPS (I likended DR to be a buff for sciships in this regard), but in the end DPS can make CC needless.
If you dont want to see Logs in teamchat, deactivate it alltogether. Normally those who are against it dont read teamchat ("teamwork") in the first place.
Doesn't it mean, a player has to be "advanced" or "Elite" to join it? What is the level a player has to reach to call him / her advanced or Elite?
To put it in hard facts, a team of 5 players doing 3 - 4k DPS each will fail advanced Missions 95% of the time, Elite 100%. Thats not the reader, thats not insulting, thats THE GAME, thats the way the game is build, love it or leave it.
And that brings me to the next point, you know you are dealing lets say 5k DPS, you know that this will not be enough, if the whole team is playing this level, but you join Elite or advanced difficulty level. Doesn't it mean, you keep your fingeres crossed to get 1 or 2 of this evil, mean bad TRIBBLE High DPS junkies do carry you thru the STF, cause it will fail, if the rest of the team is not better than you are?
You are insulted, if somebody is dealing 10 times more damage and DPS than you do ...
Be happy you got such a person in the team, so it did not fail!!
The problem is not high DPS players, the problem is not a tool to read the DPS, the problem is players thinking they should join in difficulty levels they are not ready for.
Guys its called ADVANCED and ELITE do you you realy think, you are advanced or elite if you hang around with less then 10k DPS?
Do you realy think, you are a help for anybody, joining Advanced or Elite difficulty with 3 - 4k DPS ships.
Finaly, to get some hate posts:
Joining Advanced or Elite difficulty with ships 6 -7k DPS or less and knowing it, is nothing else but leeching. You join in, knowing you are not good enough, just hoping there are others in the team to get the match thru. Its leeching, nothing more, nothing less.
New forum poster or 2nd forum account or something...but if we're all honest, this guy has said what a lot of people feel and think. The game is sadly DPS focused. We have tiers for a reason and whether rightly or wrongly, it's what we have to deal with.
No, I will tell you what the problem is, realistically. The problem is that to get rep gear, you either have to gamble with a 20 hour cooldown to maybe get 1 BNP or whatever flavor rep you want a piece of gear from or you can gable with a the cooldown on a failed Advanced. If you play normal, you're not going to get them at all. Thankfully, I had all the reputation items I wanted before the "you have to run advanced to gear for advanced" malarkey was introduced.
As long as they leave it this way, 2k dps is going to queue up for advanced. The flaw is in the system, not the players who put out 2k dps. They can get the marks other ways.
You can get 10k with free lv40 ships and free missiongear. Your logic is haxed. You dont need repgear for 10k, and 10k is more than enough for advanced. Sciships might do a bit (a bit!) less, but can easily compensate with tbr and gw.
You dont need to run advanced to get advanced gear. That is the most common misconception people have about this game: Its not gear-based,but skill (build, piloting, synergies)-based.
indeed.
2nd problem: classes. tacticaan can use sci/eng skills, engineer can use sci/tac ships etc.
3rd problem imho is queue system. All players can join elite when they reach 60lvl (but u know i can lvl my toon by duty system and join to match without gear or skills). that system doesn't check damage/heal/gear/ignore list - anything, just queue peps.
4th problem: optionals are not optional.
5.6.7.8.9.... and more... and bugs... and lags... and where is my mommy...
It doesn't matter if they need it or not. They want it. So show me in a normal mission where they get the items they need for reputation gear?
I think you meant you don't need advanced gear to run Advanced.
Thats not the issue. Your post implied "you need repgear to play advance" and that is plainly wrong. You can get gear for playing advanced for free (with good dps and tanking ability) so your argument of "the 2k players must play advance to get better" is just wrong.
You can get all gear you need for 10k (which would more than qualify to play advanced) from mission and free. Then you can get repgear and will see that its not required. It just makes it a bit easier.
Which is the problem Cryptic introduced. Some players just aren't good enough for advanced and need to get carried by 1/2 DPS people. It's not that good a system. There should be a tiered reward system for BNPs. Or perhaps better, a rep project to allow lower skilled players to convert a certain amount of marks into a BNP to then allow them to get the better gear without potentially TRIBBLE up the advanced or elite for other people.
Well, let me correct it for you. They grind their asses off doing reputation systems to get items to put onto their ships they may or may not know how to fly and they want the rewards they worked for and the only way they can get them is to go into advanced. Nitpick all you want.
Admittedly the Borg gear (well deflector and engines) are very nice gear, the Solonae gear (free) isn't that far short of it. Mix that in with weapons and shields readily available from many sources and you have 10K DPS if you know what you are doing. If you don't you most likely won't have the right gear in the first place and then rage when you see others doing far better than you.
Hell I only do around 16-18K DPS yet I've been called all sorts of names for just trying to help people. I've ignored people who've attacked others for just not knowing what they are doing. Though those players really should be playing normal 99% of the time for practice more than anything.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
Except, they didn't "work for the rewards" for the rep gear, because they didn't do the missions they need to get that gear. If your argument is that some players feel bad/frustrated because they are not good enough to complete advanced/elite missions, but they still want the advanced/elite gear... I mean, sure, I'm sure there are people like that. I don't care, though, because their feelings are factually incorrect.
Again, rather the opposite: you need to play Advanceds to get the rep gear. And it honestly doesn't really matter whether you, or anyone else, think they 'deserve' rep gear. Cryptic simply set up the system that way: if you want Ancient Power Cells, you'll need to run Advanceds.
I think Ancient Power Cells (like heretofore Alien Artifacts) should simply become tradeable. I know, this will immediately make Geko go "OMG! Then won't do my precious grinds!" Bullocks. Again, ere the opposite: without Ancient Power Cells people can't spend his precious Dilithium on rep gear. It's really that simple.
do you have a link for this... every time i have parsed it has recorded all damage in the instance.....I was stood at the staging area in New rom watching a player cause/receive damage in the mountain pass....
Would you please be so kind as to explain what you mean here? If his way is antique, how does the "new" way work? It sounds to me like he's doing it the way the walkthrough on the wiki says.
I'm not being sarky, this is a sincere inquiry.
I'm like, one of those 5-6K DPS guys, and trying hard to up my game here. I've been working hard on improving my build since I came back to STO, but it sounds like my techniques need some work, too.
Threads like this almost make me want to just go play something else, just because they seem to be saying I'm hopelessly effed...